this wasn't even as bad as Civil War and is overhated on /co/ and to prove it i will dump the whole thing here
bump if you're reading
>>155054910It's definitely better than Civil War on account that it's story didn't rely on everyone being out of character to accomodate a monumentally clumsy allegory for the Patriot Act/post-911 America; the X-Men are consistently assholes and this story was no exeption. The Avengers are 1000% correct to not trust them to handle their own problems.
>>155055053>that it's story didn't rely on everyone being out of characterit does though . also >posting a picture during a storytime
So….. this will probably be the next Avengers film after Secrets Wars and the MCU X-Men are further established
>>155055063>posting a picture during a storytimeShit, my bad, but to be fair it's not a particularly good comic. The best thing to come out of it was Muh Phoenix.Speaking of, THAT's what you should be storytiming.
>>155054953Here for Carol
>>155055109the spider man speech is good
>>155055053>didn't rely on everyone being out of characterBut it did.
The only way I can read this is the muh Phoenix version
>>155055152who?
>>155055198Same
>>155055455She's Ms. Marvel in this story >>155055021This story is when she changes her name to Captain Marvel though, but that tie-in's probably not going to be storytimedIf anything is still going to be storytimed?
>>155054910>this wasn't even as bad as Civil War and is overhated on /co/ and to prove it i will dump the whole thing hereSince you stopped I guess you proved Avengers vs X-Men wasn't hated enough
>>155055021
nigga lied to us
Op?
muh mutants
>>155054953
>>155054975>AVENGERS VE RSUS X--MEN
>>155055021sex with carol
>>155055021Wow that was a really short book. Weird how none of the X-Men showed up
>>155055021don't worry anons, I gotchu
>>155059569I love Muh Phoenix.
>>155059641what are you talking about, anon? This is AvX.
>>155054910CYCLOPS WAS RIGHT
>>155059649Sorry I thought you where posting the fan-made edit but this is obviously the original.
>>155059687course it is. Gotta fulfill OP's wishes, after allpretty surprised Marvel managed to put out a book with futa porn in it though. Thought that kind of thing was frowned upon in the professional industry
holler if you're still here. Story's big, something like 10 issues to go.
>>155059812Always.
>>155059773>suck my dick>faggotNot the best insult, Cap
>>155059822based. Time for issue 2. Cover's a bit scuffed, but I'm sure Marvel were just rushing and did this last :)
>>155054910It may not be the worst event. It may not be the most damaging but the amount of damage this piece of dogshit did to Marvel can't be overstated
>>155059694Guess they changed their mind I mean they just made futa official a few years ago
>>155059906yeah, this event was a real trailblazer in that regard. Without AvX's futa porn jokes, Nightcrawler might still have non-lesbian parents! what a horrific thought
>>155054953Feels wrong not seeing the Muh Phoenix version
damn, just barely missed the digits
>>155059908I still think about this page often
>>155054910It was well-liked at the time
>>155060046same
issue 2 done. Can't believe people don't actually like this storyline!
another tragedy of a cover. Probably Greg Land's fault. At least the writing's great
are magik's tits even big enough to cop an illusion feel in this story? I swear they were drawn way too small
>>155059550>>155059558Holy shit these jokes are fucking dreadful, Jesus Christ.
>>155054910>the X-men gamble with the whole worlds lives so some people can get their superpowers backit was worse than Civil War
>>155060241you must be thinking of Muh Phoenix, anon. This is AvX. Big difference
>>155060256geez spider-man that's fucked up
>>155060299just another day in the life of your friendly neighborhood sphincter-man
three issues down, eight to go. Whoop whoop
OP did say he'd dump the whole thing... so I will too!
>>155054910The Avengers are tyrannical douchbags and control freak fascists. Xmen got shat on so bad it might as well have been Mutant Civil War.
>>155060740fuckin tomverine
>>155060768a mugga's gotta do what a mugga's gotta doand that mugga's the best there is at what he does
pic unrelated I swear this one was a variant
>>155060493>Xmen got shat on so badthey deserved much worse the fact any of them got to live after this is a mockery to justice
ohhhhh we're halfway thereohhhhhhhhh this is unfair
>>155054910>The storyline where the Avengers are treated as racists bootlickers in the first half and X-men as the victims in the second half, then makes the Svengers rather scrappy heroes and the X-men the mutant supremacist in the second half because Cyclops refuses to believe the Phoenix Firce is evil after burning several planets to deathPThis shit isn’t hated ENOUGH, OP
>>155061196>>155061213This story fucking loves Blue and Orange duality
>>155061253it was a sign of the timesthat shit was everywhere in the early 2010s, there were jokes about it for ages
>>155061185>>155061196>gets power>proceeds to act all high and mighty and try tell people what to do or they'll fuck them upI swear to God, this shit and Krakoa they really made them braindead as shit and keep giving people reason to hate their ass
>>155061418hey now. Using a primordial force of cosmic proportions to boost your burgeoning rap career is perfectly valid
Was it good uh no not really but the Phoenix 5 costumes are
how DO they work?
>>155061535>taco bell diarrheatopical!
>>155061551this series was really ahead of its time
>>155059730Namor must have some fun stories.
>>155061567It's a shame nobody ever bothers to ask him about themCap neither, come to think of it, but people ask him way more than they do Namor
lol, internet
see? all of these uses of extraordinary superpowers are perfectly responsible. the phoenix force is in good hands
>>155060906That every X-fag needs to remember that bottom left panel the moment they start doing ubermench shit
Hickman was always goated
>>155061418>>proceeds to act all high and mighty and try tell people what to do or they'll fuck them upTo be fair in the original they went to the united nations and told them to get rid of their nukes, disarm and stop starting wars. Honestly fuck it they did very little wrong until the writers realized they needed antagonists so they started going full retard
>>155059694kek, love the second half
shit taken. storytime resumed
The last event of Carol as Ms. Marvel......
>>155062081>threating countries and telling a world constantly invaded by aliens to get rid of it's best weapons is nothing wrong Jesus X-fags are retarded
>>155054910CYCLOPS WUZ RIGHT
>>155062081No, their first mistake was looking at Scott talking like a mad man raving how the Phoenix Force was totally coming to save the mutant race because “it was a sign” and not immediately telling him to take his meds. Like not even to dunk on the X-men as a whole because the writers needed a stupid inciting incident and I get that Hope is thr one and shit, but the fact that the X-men didn’t offer to WORK WITH the Avengers in trying to keep Hope safe along with keeping the Phoenix Force from burning the Earth is beyond out of character, it’s downright sociopathiclly stupid.
>>155055021God the dialogue is terrible who wrote thi....oh.
>>155062361It's a little impressive how Muh Phoenix managed to get the world's biggest confluence of bad writers on its side. Bendis, Aaron, Fraction, Hickman...
>>155055053Avengers were the dudes that made the whole decimation and Hope problem with the whole Wanda's thing and 10 years later they care about muggas problem.Should have been FF/Guardians VS Xmen
Good thing AvX has better writers than that :)
>>155062399That’s more on Bendis for making Wanda lose her mind over something she already long got over ten years prior in a book series he didn’t read. Which is why editors fucking matter. Everything is downstream from that fuckup.
I am a fan of Romita and watching his subpar clearly rushed work on this was painful. The only good thing about this story is the dynamic between Namor and T'Challa in Hickman's Avengers.
>>155062474oh yeah, wasn't this happening at the same time as that?
>>155062315One they were threatening Governments are you really going to bat for the fucking Epstien class and their Great Game bullshit.Two the average soldier on the ground does nothing but become fodder during those invasions
>>155062356Without a doubt but I'm focusing specifically on the Pheonix Five part. The writers knew if they they wrote the "villains" in the write so in typical fashion they have to have them start doing retarded shit like sealing the San Adreas Fault or giving whales legs, if they just got rid of all nukes and dedicated themselves to ending hunger and poverty they'd be 100% in the right
The biggest problem with this story is tha they made a big deal out of nothing, and Cyclops was played as the villain yet in the end he ended up being 200% right and if they just let Hope get the Phoenix from the start they could've avoided the whole thing.
>>155062440Disassembled is unironically the most damaging storyline to ever happen in comics history. Literally everything that ruined marvel on the story side is a direct result of Disassembled>House of M and Decimation>Civil War, the Unmasking of Peter Parker and One More DayThree franchises driven into the fucking dirt. It took goddamn close to a decade and a half from AvX for the Avengers to "recover" while Spiderman and hte X-men honestly will never recover from those stories
>>155062573I give it more of a 90% in the right, if only because yeah, if you subtract the retarded shit like the whale crab legs and the fault line fusion and just focus on them telling the UN “Leave Mutantopia alone or we’ll fuck you up”, then yeah. Totally fair. They were mostly keeping to themselves outside of the superhero shit, telling the normies to leave them the fuck alone for once is totally their right. But trusting the X-men to keep their word when fucking Namor is with them, much less a good empowered one, would be the most stupid thing you could possibly do on the planet.
>>155062700The ending just proves that if they let Hope get the Phoenix from the start she just uses it to revive mutantrace and then it fucks off.
>>155062655Sadly, no. There was a what-if that showed if the X-men had their way and Hope got the Phoenix Force, Magneto would have corrupted her and most of the Avengers and X-men would have fucking died, with Wolverine left to absorb the Phoenix Force and take it off planet.In other words, the Avengers interfering was the best case scenario in a scenario that shouldn’t have happened at all.
>rightclops fags>postan in this very thread
>>155060261>>the X-men gamble with the whole worlds lives so some people can get their superpowers back>it was worse than Civil WarNot really though, the Phoenix is an unstoppable universal force that is going to do it's job whether you want it to or not, the avengers are in the wrong the whole time because they should've just stayed out of it.
>>155062729Or as thee What-if shows, Magneto would have taken advantage of the situation to dissuade her from reviving the mutants in favor of taking over the world. And then failed to do that in the end anyways after Wolverine shanks her and fucks off with the flaming chicken.Fucked if they interfere, fucked if they don’t.
second-to-last issues lads
>>155062770Considering their plan was the equivalent of “let’s move the kid off the planet so it doesn’t Earth into a flaming ball” while Scott’s was to just do nothing, the idea that there needed to be a conflict at all is the real retarded thing in this story. They literally have no reason to be at odds beyond the fact Scott is just like “nuhuh”, when he’s normally go “We’re moving her off planet, but we’re gojngeith her the entire time because she’s family’s.
>>155062531>One they were threatening Governments are you really going to bat for the fucking Epstien classlet me guess since people abuse their authority we should all embrace anarchy, go be retarded somewhere else.Also stop wars is just some childish empty platitude there are all sorts of ways for countries to harass each other and sometimes violent retaliation is justified instead of bending over at taking it up the ass
>>155062700>UN “Leave Mutantopia alone or we’ll fuck you up”,It wasn't even that they said "No more violence against Mutant or Man" They were actively trying to improve the world, there's a reason Muh Pheonix removed the scene of them getting rid of nukes, Sentinels, warships and tanks. But yeah even if they completely kept their mental faculties Namor was bound to fuck it up as Namor is want to do
>>155062770>the Phoenix is an unstoppable universal force that is going to do it's job whether you want it to or not, the avengers are in the wrong the whole time because they should've just stayed out of it.by that logic the Fantastic Four where in the wrong to stop Galactus from devouring the earth, so I guess all mutants(and humans) should be dead according to you
>>155062804All the story needed was Mr. Sinister coming in and just fucking shit up, throw in Kang also coming in to fuck shit up and you have a recipe for a good team up instead of whatever the fuck this book was.
>>155062936Exactly. Hell, you could just make the plot be that Sinister kidnapped Hope using clones of the Avengers to explain why they would choose to fight the Avengers, and then have him be the one to fuck up sucking up the Phoenix Force's powers and having it divided amongst the Phoenix Force Five. And then blame their instability on something Sinister did to the Phoenix Force as the reason none of the heroes will just go along with what the X-men are doing. It's legitimately not that hard to keep this from being retarded or out of character.
>>155062081>>155062881so by this logic Dr Doom is also in the right when he takes over the earth, he does this shit too
>>155062868Go to bed Mossad/FSB
>>155062991No because it's Dr.Doom besides why does it always have to be the bad guy trying to "make the world better" why do the heroes always have to force a dogshit status quo? Why does it always have to be a fucking dictatorship too? That last question was rhetorical we all know because comics can't actually move forward since the main goal is to sell march
>>155063001get a brain retard
>>155061100>>155061115i remember reading that without knowing everyone's opinion online and wondering what were Avengers bitching for since the very fucking startin attempt to stop Cyclops they caused all the destruction like good old fashioned retardsCyclops actually made a paradise on Earth for everyone to co-exist and Avengers destroyed it all because they were seething at some dude for doing what their governments and they themselves couldntcyclops was right btwdid writers actually try to make him look evil here? cause they've achieved an opposite effect
>>155063198>did writers actually try to make him look evil here? cause they've achieved an opposite effectIt's why immediately after he started doing retarded shit like sealing fault lines and giving whales legs. Also in typical fashion the spin off and tie in writers had them doing absolutely heinous shit in their spare time
>>155063198>wondering what were Avengers bitching for since the very fucking start"Dude, the Phoenix Force is gunning for this kid, help us keep it from-""No, fuck you, get the fuck off my lawn""Dude come on""BEHOLD! OPTIC BLAST!">Cyclops actually made a paradise on EarthShame about all the whales that died.>Avengers destroyed it all because they were seething at some dude forStuffing them into the hellzone dimension, yeah, I'd be kinda pissed too. Also, wasn't it Xavier that suggested they do shit about it? I remember Reed Richards telling them to stop provoking the pissy manchildren with the god powers, and the most they were doing was just hiding themselves out in Atlantis and Kun-Lun city and ONLY really planning to break themselves out of prison right until Namor had a full-on meltdown after Black Panther insulted him and drowned Wakanda, which is what really turned it into the shitshow that the latter half became.>cyclops was right btwNah. Anyone would have to be wrong in the first place, and the conflict was too retarded to pick sides.>did writers actually try to make him look evil here? cause they've achieved an opposite effectThey kind of gave up on bothering to explain why anyone needed to be a villain at all since they wanted their precious "Cyclops becomes the next Magneto" arc, so it doesn't really matter whether or not they succeeded.
>>155063068Thanks for saving this thread I'd been wanting to read normal A v X for a while
>>155059601HAHAHHAHAAAA!!!! YA GOT ME!Took me that long into the comic book fml
August 16th, 2026it had been like 14 years, and the reason why cyclps killed charles xavier hadn't been revelatedbesides some "envy" issues.Marvel died in 2012 or 2011 or 2008.
>>155062081>yeah how could anyone have anything against them declaring themselves the world's policeretard
>>155063370no problem. Always happy to share the best version of this event
alright that's all she wrote. Hope you losers enjoyed
>>155063649Marvel died when the Siege was broken, the Sentry died, the Dark Reign ended and the Heroic Age began. Seriously just treat the Heroic Age as the true end of Marvel and it works
>>155063674As apposed to all the times the Avengers and X-men have done so. No it's bad because they actually are making changes not just punching other freaks in gay outfits
>>155063845Funny you say that, cause the Avengers get permission from the UN to do their shit. And the one time anyone tried to police the world was when Nick Fury convinced a strike team of heroes to kick the ass of the head of Latveria.Shit got him outright fired from SHIELD and was arguably the real inciting incident for Civil War in how the US was humiliated by how this was the first real slap in the face to US supremacy when it comes to how metahumans/superheroes can unilaterally ignore borders and treaties to do whatever the fuck they want if they thought it was for the right reasons.Never happened for the X-men though since they already stopped giving a fuck after Decimation about what anyone else thought since they were already "going extinct" and didn't even pretend they cared about what anyone else thought regarding their disregard for the law. They already punched the Avengers for trying to bring Magneto in for crimes against humanity after all, what the fuck did they have to lose?
>>155064058>UNnta but this got me bro
>>155063784Retard here, where can I DL the muh Phoenix version?
>>155064058>the Avengers get permission from the UN to do their shitHowd that work out, if I remember correctly Red Skull ended up their boss and they spent a lot of time mucking around in red tape unable to get shit done
>>155054910The parody is better.
>>155064130Oh yeah, I know how it sound, but it's true. The only reason the Avengers are even tolerated on an international level is because Captain America is at least enough of a boy scout to deign to ask for "permission" through government liaisons to do shit in the US and abroad, and Iron Man mostly went along the same route. Cause realistically, the UN can't do shit to superheroes and everyone knows it. It's why Civil War was far more of a big deal in the comics and why it was so damaging, because it basically blew up thirty years of a good working relationship for the sake of more superheroes punching.>>155064201>Howd that work out>they spent a lot of time mucking around in red tape unable to get shit doneThey always had that going down in the comics, so it wasn't anything new by that point beyond Steve being personally affronted having to report to his archnemesis. Henry Gyrich was basically THE Avengers' recurring antagonist for the longest time since he was that one nebbish weasely underling who was always looking to report to the manager of any slipups to fuck you over, or in this case he was the government liaison who explicitly hated superheroes and mutants and was always threatening to get the Avengers' activities outlawed if they didn't bow down to his latest nasally tantrum of the week.So a pretty realistic depiction of superheroes working with the US/UN, I'd say.
>>155064166right here my muggahttp://www.mediafire.com/download/fw8wmta731krjlh/Muh%20Phoenix-01.cbz
>>155062531Just because most countries have awful governments run by people who hate us and want to replace us with thirdies doesn't mean we want our governments, and by extension, ourselves, to be told what to do by mutant terrorist supervillains jacked up on the Phoenix Force, taking away the world's ability to defend itself from them and imprisoning dissenters in a demon dimension.The people saying they were "in the right" just want the free gibs, or the kind of "world peace" that's achieved through having the mutants' boot on your necks forever.
>>155064687My mugga from another mother, thanks
>>155062655With a starting premise of "the Phoenix Force is on a cosmic rampage, destroying every planet in it's path, and Earth is next in line", having the payoff actually be "the mutants of Earth are the special chosen race of the Phoenix Force and it's so angry that they're going extinct that it's coming to Earth to forcibly turn innocent normies into more mutants, those other planets were just unavoidable collateral damage, and those poor people getting turned into mutants is totally a good thing guys" is such a retarded premise that it's insane this actually got written, that FOUR writers worked on this, and none of them, nor editorial ever stepped back and pointed out how stupid and insane this is, and how after making Cyclops look like an insane delusional cult leader, the narrative bends over backwards to give him what he wants and make it look like he was "right" and a generation of retards have been sucking his mutated dick ever since.>>155062804>“We’re moving her off planet, but we’re gojngeith her the entire time because she’s family’s.>we’re gojngeithAre you having a stroke?
>>155054910It wasn't as bad in terms of damage but it's still a dumb and shitty story that relies on characters acting like moronic assholes to work.
>>155065155Phone posting sucks when your fingers slip off the buttons. But to rewrite it from phone jank, in a normal storyline the Avengers and X-men would be working together to contain the Phoenix Force from going on a rampage instead of punching each other over Cyclops having a sudden bout of retardation.
>>155064687I knew you muggas weren’t all bad
>>155059665There was a time where I would've mocked these scholarsBut time makes peace for us all, and with peace comes understanding
>>155065155>and how after making Cyclops look like an insane delusional cult leader, the narrative bends over backwards to give him what he wants and make it look like he was "right" and a generation of retards have been sucking his mutated dick ever since.Cyclops wuz right mugga.
>>155065535Cyclops killed millions in this story. If there was any justice, he wouldn't be able to appear in a comic afterwards without everyone despising him for that.And no, mutants aren't a race, they don't have a 'culture', and there didn't need to be more of them, absolutely not at the cost of risking the lives of everyone on Earth, no at the cost of destroying the lives of normal humans by forcibly turning them into mutants, that's an old Magneto scheme. We need more characters who just absolutely refuse to engage with the X-Men on their own terms and refuse to accept them larping as a race.
>>155065645>Cyclops killed millions in this story. If there was any justice, he wouldn't be able to appear in a comic afterwards without everyone despising him for that.>>And no, mutants aren't a race, they don't have a 'culture', and there didn't need to be more of them, absolutely not at the cost of risking the lives of everyone on Earth, no at the cost of destroying the lives of normal humans by forcibly turning them into mutants, that's an old Magneto scheme. We need more characters who just absolutely refuse to engage with the X-Men on their own terms and refuse to accept them larping as a race.Rightclops will never stop being correct, killed millions so what how many died in genosha or when they lost their powers to "no more mutants". Humanity could stand to lose a few million especially if it was centered around India or Wakanda.
>>155065682>so what how many died in genosha>Cyclops has the right to kill as many as he wants and whoever he wants because of mutant on mutant violence X-fags are a special kind of retarded>or when they lost their powersoh no they lost their powers the horror
MUH PHOENIX is ruined by the faggot creator having troll's remorse over it.
>>155062474Romita turned to shit once he got paired with Janson. Dude never actually drew a page in his life, all of his "good stuff" from the '80s was heavily redrawn by his inkers to make it not look like shit which is something he's complained about multiple times. Once Janson takes over as his primary inker you see exactly why. He stinks.
>>155065682>so what how many died in genoshaThanks to muggas>or when they lost their powers to "no more mutants"Again thanks to muggas>Humanity could stand to lose a few million especially if it was centered around India or Wakanda.Muggas are humans, you retard, just very stuck up types of humans with a victim complex
>>155066055>MUH PHOENIX is ruined by the faggot creator having troll's remorse over it.Nah that shit just makes it even funnier the fuck you care what he thinks mugga?
>>155065052>our governments, and by extension, ourselvesLol lmao you actually believe that
>>155066055Why cuz of all the slurs, like one of the point is that they are all horrible terrible fucking people. Not to mention it's legitimately a better written story than the actual real book
Muh Phoenix did Hickmanvengers better than Hickmanvengers.
>>155067671and how do you think a country functions retard
>>155054910To Hell with the muties
>>155067990>RetardNigger you're the one putting stock in elected officials
i know im in the minority here but i would have preferred the actual comic . the parody version always gets posted
>>155060051no it wasnt
>>155060261finally someone with a brain
>>155059569>>155059558>>155059550>>155055021Why is the humor so cringy? Adults don't talk like this.
>>155068772Oh, I get it now. It's like an abridged version of the comic.
>>155068263>avoiding the questiondid you finally realize how retarded you were being and tried to save face
>>155054910Civil War is bad but it’s an interesting look at post 9/11 entertainment. AvX is just bad with the one good idea of Rightclops that never goes anywhere.
>>155062356Avengers shouldn't be the end all be all authority of the superhero community.
>>155068772>Why is the humor so cringy?anon >>155055021 is from the real version.
>>155060261>>155062770anyone that says the x men were right for just thinking "yea bro lets just let invite the phoenix in it will do good things this time" is a fucking retard and a faggot. granted the story is retarded and needs the two teams to instantly be at odds with each other so instead of doing it in a reasonable way the avengers just instigate with the x men but still. there is no good reason to think that the phoenix wouldnt be a problem this time around or that it would return the powers to some mutants. every single time it has appeared in comics bad shit has happened. every single time.
>>155059665TITTIES?!
>>155068860>is from the real versionSo I'm guessing that marvel comics from the 2010s should be avoided then? I never really got into Marvel's newer comics, and if that is the level of quality I can expect from them, I probably never will.
>>155068948not the anon youre responding to but i think writing off an entire era is kind of dumb. just find shit you're interested in and try them. if there is some shit from the 2010s that you think might be cool just go read it . theres stuff i like from that era and stuff i dont like. just like literally any other era in comics and any other company
