>Peter and JeanThat is all
Beyond an “I love you”
>>155071678Beyond I love you>I love you の先へI'm not alone anymore>僕はもう独りじゃないねDispel the darkness with Upbeat>Upbeat で闇を晴らしてHolding your words in my heart yeah>あなたの言葉を胸に抱いて yeahBy the time the wound in my chest hurts>もう胸の傷が痛む頃
Jean is for wholesome and loving ANAL
Yet another shittuber talking about the "Jean problem"https://youtu.be/4Jh4OejtAvIWhy do they hate /our/ girl so much?
>>155071779Ugly Chud as always
>>155071779FACKIN PRONOUNS!
I fucking love Jean, I want a stinky sociopath telepathic hobbo girlfriend!>>155071802His face looks like a testicle kek
>>155071839>Makes you gay>Makes you think you were always gay>Makes your future self gay
>>155071873I want Jean to peg me!
>>155071839More like a penis tip.
...After she's done slobbering Logan
>>155071955
I had to tell ya, it's now or neverSo much for closure, I lost composureI get the message, I learned my lessonTried to correct it, I think I wrecked itMan, it's a crisis, I'm never like thisThat's how my life is, you couldn't write this I'm a loser, babeDo you wanna tear my heart out?I'm a tragedyTryna figure this whole mess outI'm out of favor, my worst behaviorI get the message, I learned my lessonDesperate times call for desperate measuresI fell into ya, I fell into yaTried to correct it, well, shit, I wrecked itI'm a loser, babeDo you wanna tear my heart out?I'm a tragedyTryna figure my whole life outI leave alone andDark streets, I roam inNight air, I breathe inThe stars, I believe inI don't know why I didn't fight itI probably tried and magnified itI cannot lie, I feel defeatedTake it as a sign, you're badly neededYou're badly neededBadly wanted.....
I am sure Jean would be into anal because she is a very analytical person. According to Freud's theories, she would be an anal retentive and enjoy having it stimulated>>155071955Gross! But right
>>155071736All 3 holes love spider fluid
>>155071967>>155071962That’s him post pump btw. What a fatass
>>155071962Did he like the movie?
>>155071980He gave a 7 because he was seething about Jean Grey for 60% of the video. The other 40% is the fattie wheezing like the pink pig he is. He likes transformer you know where is alignment are
Peter and Jean on a date and Frank's keeping tabs on them through a rifle scope.
>>155071976Yeah but what is Jean's favorite position?>>155072021>He likes transformer you know where is alignment areGross.
>>155071930Need more pics of Jean doing the web gesture. It's cute.
>>155071802>>155071955>>155071962>>155071978>>155072021Saying this as someone who likes the ship and thinks this guy's point is dumb: cut it out.This kinda behavior just encourages tribalistic shitflinging. It's not going to help anything. If you like the ship, go make art or a fic or something. If you can't do that, go support the people who are doing it. Trying to tear down some random chud who happens to disagree with you is both pointless and pathetic.
>>155072070It’s not tribalism when I notice a pattern. Every single one of them are ugly chuds so far https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155015786/#155016970
>>155072031So he can shoot villains trying to ruin the date
>>155072133Why would he do that? Jean can read minds and Spider-Man has Spidey sense
>Jean reads Peter's mind, senses him having oneitis for MJ again, and calls him a filthy Flatscan lover.
Should have stayed.
>>155072174A core part of Peter's character is letting go. The reason why he's so hung up on MJ because never had closure. Since she said she doesn't love him, Spider-Man is done, he had his closure. Sometimes your childhood sweetheart isn't the one for you and that's okay. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BjoZKBvMAkY
Is AISlop and Korean fanart all we have for this?
>>155072265This has been trending lately
>>155071930>>155071873>makes you into anal>makes you think you were always into anal>makes your future self into anal
>>155072292>x-men movie starts by showing the Xavier Institute plaque>first shot is Scott, sitting in a chair>sounds of moaning and grunts of pleasure are heard as he stares ahead>close upshot of Jean's o-face as she is getting railed hard by Peter, mask stays on of course, on Scott's bed>Peter grunts loudly, like a beast as Jean leg locks him and he releases a heady torrent of white, sticky, virile "spider web" straight into her v-max>Scene ends with Peter drinking a bottle of water and fistbumping Scott as he leaves the room>"Now you may wonder how I ended here" obligatory speech then movie starts
>>155071959her logan is like 50 physically nigga cant pop a boner to save his life
>>155071664>spend three movies trying to push zendaya as mj>the second mcu peter has some type of relationship with a redhead, it gets way more traction among fansI can’t be the only one laughing about this, right
>>155072344And you can't call shippers racist either because non-MJ told Peter unambiguously that she doesn't love him.
>>155072344I mean I would have been willing to accept Zendaya if she could act. But she is paid millions just to scowl at the screen and she isn't precisely a looker. If she had a personality and got actively involved with the plot, I would have enjoyed watching her.An example is Amazing Spiderman's Gwen. She wasn't superpowered but she actively dealt with Spiderman's superhero life and helped him, so she was enjoyable to watch.Meanwhile MJ in the Raimi films was Kirsten fucking Dunst. But she had the same personality issues that made me wish her scene was over already so we could move on to the fun part instead of just causing drama for Peter.I'd say of the new characters, I enjoyed Liz more than Zendaya even if she wasn't my favorite. At least she had something going for her.
>>155071779Jean's actions were quite over the top and some people expect Peter to solve every villain with great violence.
>>155071839I think she can use telepathy without possessing people, right? I mean she had a guy just driving her around while she was out possessing others and fighting Peter.Would be very funny if it turns out the guy helping her was just an indian driver and Jean hired him to move her around while she committed her crimes.
>>155072404>and Jean hired him to move her around while she committed her crimes.Damn, imagine the taxi fare in a city like New York
>>155071963What Tame Impala song would Peter and Jean listen to?
>>155071664Watched the movie over the weekend. I get this ship now. I think that the movie actually did waste an opportunity to do something more interesting than it did. Its obvious that the writers want to put Peter and MJ back together, a return to the status quo before the end of the third movie, but thats boring. It turns a multi-movie emotional struggle into a nothingburger waste of time. The more interesting direction that I don't think they have the balls to do is that Peter reconnects with MJ and Ned, but never rekindles the romance with MJ. They are close friends, but Peter has to accept that the relationship he had with this girl is gone and it can't come back just because he wants it to. She has a life now that, until about a week ago, didn't include him at all. Her boyfriend isn't just a placeholder in her life waiting for Peter to come back, thats a serious relationship.Peter, then, has to move on. And while Peter doesn't immediately see Jean that way, after the way they trauma-bonded at the end of this movie there is solid groundwork for Jean to develop a crush on Peter out of emotional desperation if nothing else. Have Peter become what is essentially Jean's only lifeline in a world that has otherwise abandoned her, someone that she doesn't have to worry about pushing away because he's already seen her at her worst and accepted her instead of been afraid of her.Also, to someone like Jean, the fact that she CAN'T read his mind at the drop of a hat is kind of a prerequisite to having a functional relationship. You can't treat someone as an equal partner if you can just read their thoughts like a book at the drop of a hat, violating their privacy and agency on a whim. Such a person was always be a pet or a toy, not a partner. Peter's resistance to her psychic powers makes him the ideal candidate for her, in the same way that a girl who was born invisible would best match with the one person that can actually see her.
>>155072385>I mean I would have been willing to accept Zendaya if she could act. But she is paid millions just to scowl at the screenI think she probably can act but she only gets roles that make use of her resting bitch face and nothing else in her kit.Michelle is a very nothing character, doesn't really do anything for the plot and lacks any sort real dynamic or chemistry with Hollandman, unfortunately.
>>155072466>Peter reconnects with MJ and Ned, but never rekindles the romance with MJ. They are close friends, but Peter has to accept that the relationship he had with this girl is gone and it can't come back just because he wants it to. She has a life now that, until about a week ago, didn't include him at all. Her boyfriend isn't just a placeholder in her life waiting for Peter to come back, thats a serious relationship.Precisely where I hope they're going. I expected there to be more information about Michelle's boyfriend.>Peter doesn't immediately see Jean that way, after the way they trauma-bonded at the end of this movie there is solid groundwork for Jean to develop a crush on Peter out of emotional desperation if nothing else. Have Peter become what is essentially Jean's only lifeline in a world that has otherwise abandoned her, someone that she doesn't have to worry about pushing away because he's already seen her at her worst and accepted her instead of been afraid of her.Yes! A slow burn romance would be far more enjoyable than rushing through it or going back to Peter's oneitis.>You can't treat someone as an equal partner if you can just read their thoughts like a book at the drop of a hat, violating their privacy and agency on a whim. Such a person was always be a pet or a toy, not a partner.I kind of want that to be about Jean's growth and character development. To slowly learn through Peter's example that she can't just go and read everyone's minds or make them dance to her tune like puppets.I hope they don't turn her into a quippy girlboss and instead keep her sociopathic tendencies. She has lived on the run for years and has no stability, correctly believing the government is out to get her. She probably didn't develop social skills so the first path for her to develop is to start learning boundaries.Also and I repeat it once more, killgrave would be a perfect dark reflection.
>>155072466>You can't treat someone as an equal partner if you can just read their thoughts like a book at the drop of a hat.I don't think that argument holds too much weight. I can just about completely immobilize my girlfriend with one hand. She's small and doesn't do much musclebuilding exercises so if I just sort of put my hand on her chest while she's lying down and exert moderate pressure she can't stand up. This was just something we did for fun but we did at one point talk about the fact that the difference in my strength vs hers means I could probably kill her whenever I wanted very easily. She continues to be in a relationship with me because she (correctly) trusts that I love her too much to do that to her. I wager there are millions of people in similar relationships whether that power disparity comes from things like physical strength or stuff like money. Relationships always have power disparities, and while stuff like superpowers make it more dramatic, trusting your partner is how you bridge the gap.
>>155072532Precisely, would be more interesting if Jean CAN read Peter's mind...but doesn't, because she loves him and respects him.I agree that its a weird thought I had too when I was dating. "Huh I could probably easily kill her" and I'm not sure if I should worry about that kek
>>155072466>Its obvious that the writers want to put Peter and MJ back togetherThey tried having She-Who-Scowls and the CEO of sex regain their memories but nobody they tested it on liked it so we got the shitty pendant and the handshake scenes.I like the ideas but the thoughts thing is just a trust issue. Using it sometimes isnt the problem its when it gets used and why.>>155072490She does the exact same thing in Dune and what little I saw in vidoes on Euphoria its the same there too.>>155072514>I expected there to be more information about Michelle's boyfriend.His name is Nate. Not Paul. Thats pretty much it.>KillgraveI have no expectation it will happen but it would be nice if post Secret Wars whatever they do brings him back if aplicable.
>>155072514>She probably didn't develop social skills so the first path for her to develop is to start learning boundaries.Peter will have to tame and train this cute stinky hobbo telepath!>>155072561>His name is Nate. Not Paul. Thats pretty much it.I kind of wanted to see more to show its a committed relationship. But right now he only looks like a placeholder in case they decide to make Peter get back with Michelle.
>>155072514>Yes! A slow burn romance would be far more enjoyable than rushing through it or going back to Peter's oneitis.Yeah, realistically I want Secret Wars for them to reunite and start being friends. Then X-Men/Spider-Man 5 Jean develops a crush on him and throughout the saga their romance blossoms.
THIS THREAD IS NOW PROPERTY OF THE SOVREIGN NATION OF KRAKOATHERE WILL BE NO MORE SPIDERPHOENIX POSTINGSPIDER-MAN IS A FILTHY MUTATE AND IS NOT ALLOWED TO PROCREATE IN FERTILE MUTANT WOMBSTHAT WILL BE ALL
also we need some small drama when they meet again in secret wars or whatever. like make jean actively try to avoid peter because of her guilt of what she did to him, meanwhile peter has already done that and still keeps trying to reach out
>>155072344I like both
>>155072622
>>155072622Yeah whatever you say Scotty~>Scotty doesn't know that Jean and me>Do it in his bed every Monday>She tells him she's in class but she doesn't go>Still she's on her knees and Scotty doesn't knowJean is getting her v-max WEBBED by Peter's white, sticky, virile mutate genes. Once she tries the spider cock, she can't go back
>>155071664So... a brownie's out, a ginger's in?
>>155072622Maybe if you weren't such a dick, girls would like you too
>>155072674Yeah but Eve's gross, a filthy baby killer bpd bitch. She is evil in an ugly way. From that show, Anissa is much better and trad.
>>155072674
>>155072657>>155072673>>155072678FINAL WARNING BEFORE I SUPER OPTIC BLAST YOU TO KRAKOAN PRISON TO BE RAPED BY THE JUGGERNAUT
Another thing to consider in regards to Jean developing feelings for Peter: its not just the trauma bonding at the end. Consider what she knows about Pete from earlier in the movie:She possessed Frank earlier in the film, and comments that he has some deep fucking issues. Which is a funny joke because its true, but if she could see that she also probably saw what Frank thinks/feels about Peter, and its very obvious that as much as he tries to push Peter away Frank trusts and respects Peter to a pretty deep level. Thats a pretty strong recommendation of Peter's character.And then there is the letter that Jean read. A letter that is *entirely* about how much Peter was willing to sacrifice to keep his loved ones safe, and how much he loves this other girl and how important she is to him. To someone with Jean's abandonment issues, Peter's devotion to MJ is going to be EXTREMELY attractive. She wishes that someone felt the same way about her, because remember this is a girl that got kicked out of her own house by her mom after she developed powers. Trust issues are going to be rooted pretty deep here. Basically everything she knows about Peter adds up to him being a great guy with all of the qualities in a guy she would want to have someone that deeply cared about her and would never abandon her. She would be very protective of him, perhaps to a dangerous degree. We saw what she did to get her sister back, imagine what she would do if she saw Peter fighting a supervillain on TV and that Peter looked like he was losing? Whatever happens next, it isn't going to be good.
>>155071664Tranny ship, tranny ritualpost
>>155072722>And then there is the letter that Jean read. A letter that is *entirely* about how much Peter was willing to sacrifice to keep his loved ones safe, and how much he loves this other girl and how important she is to himI do find it funny how hard she was trying to make a backhanded compliment towards it. It's obvious she thought the letter was very sweet, and in my headcanon she was a little jealous so she made fun of it.
>>155072764Yeah, thats definitely how it comes across. She's trying to play the villain so she wants to mock it to get under Peter's skin, but she just... can't.
>>155072731No, that would be that other thread
>>155072764I think at that point she was so cynical she didn't really believe it. Like if Peter really cared he would've been fighting to get MJ back as hard as she was fighting to get Sarah back. It wasn't until the end when she was in his head that she realized he really meant it.
>>155072795plus she hands it back to him instead of ripping it up in front of him, its obvious it was a soft spot for her
>>155072721>JUGGERNAUTYou're fighting Marvel's equivalent of Batman. You're going to lose
>>155071664Feige you better not fuck this up
>>155071664It’s fitting that the fact there is an evil version of Jean who literally calls herself the Goblin Queen. Considering that several of Peter’s girlfriends have been turned into Goblins over the years.
Has anyone done the Rent a Girlfriend pool page but with Cyclops?
>Peter Parker and Jean Grey end up together >Peter will satisfy the self-insert fantasy most males have of being able to protect/save someone>Jean will satisfy the self-insert fantasy most females have of being saved/protected by someoneC'mon the money/success is right fucking there, just do it. Will be kind of big like Twilight and will also satisfy people like me who want a good story.
>>155072466The start of the movie makes it seem like Peter's issue is moving on, we see stuff like rejecting making conversation with that cute bkond and moving to a reclusive appartment obsessing with friends who don't remember his name. Then we have that conversation between Peter and MJ were she straight up says she doesn't know him, and it gives the sense than that connection is lost and you can see why then people ship Jean they might be alone but could find someone on the other. But by the end when we go back leaning on the memory of his friends and him talking to Ned and it feels like the story wants to go back to the status quo.
>>155072912It also allows for a cool battle couple. AND, when you think about it, pairing up Jean with Peter also sidesteps repeating the Fox x-men arcs again, because if Jean is with Peter we don't have to do the whole Wolverine/Jean thing again.
>>155072466>It turns a multi-movie emotional struggle into a nothingburger waste of time.Them reconnecting should at least have consequences. Would they have the balls to oull a Gwen Stacy with Michelle? Doubt it, but Peter stayed away for a reason.
>>155072919Exactly! You can tell that this movie went through a lot of rewrites, because it feels a bit at odds with itself. It wants to try and have it both ways but it can't.Which is why I feel like there is all of this groundwork for Peter and Jean to become this cool supportive relationship where they both have to let go of the past and find a war forward, but I don't trust corporate to not suck Peter back into the Zendaya-shaped black hole purely out of cowardice. If Peter and Jean become a thing I'll be thrilled, i think it would make for a much better story, but I'm not holding my breath.
>>155072722What makes Peter a cool and a keeper instead of a simp or a beta provider? All traits you presented seem to correlate with the typical beta
>>155072587>smelly girl failure hobo Jean>Living on the streets with the same boots for years>Unable to take a proper bath at times>Peter takes the boots off for herIMAGINE THE SMELL! Ponder the aroma!
>>155072982The fact that he's not a mutt spamming BBC and Paul every time there is momentum
>>155072961If anything this movie proved that staying away from Ned and MJ was objectively the correct decision. Literally IMMEDIATELY after someone found out that 'Spider Man' still had feelings for MJ, her life was in danger and he had to rescue her and put her in hiding for her own protection. Like, within the same fucking 24 hours. This was a complete validation of Peter's guilt/paranoia. MJ was safe for four years without getting attacked by supervillians or shit because Peter stayed away from her, and she only ended up in danger again because of him and it was specifically to try and use her against him. Logically, if Peter cares about MJ's safety his only mistake was not keeping even MORE distance between them, it was holding on to elements of his old life that put her in danger again.
>>155072982Anon, for someone in Jean's position a simp and a beta provider sugar daddy is 100% what she wants. She wants someone who would never let her go, not some womanizing gigachad that will move on to the next conquest.
>>155073025I see, thanks, just wondered because there are many who mock Superman for example (another favorite character who would probably get along with Peter nicely) for being a do gooder and call him a simp beta. But sometimes women take it as desirable traits so I wondered if there's a reason a character could be seen as cool while having provider/protector traits instead of being seen as pathetic for having those same traits.
>>155073042Anon, I think you need to watch different youtube videos. Most women prefer a man who will actually demonstrate that he cares for them. "Alpha" mentality gets you quick fucks with whores, morons and teenagers who don't know any better. Being in a long-term relationship requires demonstrating stability, loyalty, and affection.
>>155073042Anyone who mocks superman for that is a retard. Theres a recent crossover with them from april, and one with gwen/supergirl.
>>155073042If you're wondering why people like Spider-Man after many successful movies, comic run, and cartoons, there must be something wrong with your mind. People just inherently like spider-man because he's a hero and a good person. Kids want to dress up like him because he's cool and funny. Adults relate to him because he has human struggles, yet have his own identity. He's a nerd, but still likable to jocks. Flash Thompson LOVE Spider-Man
I'm going to watch BND again next week, I hope when the "You have me" scene some people will cheer like what happened when I watched it recently.
>>155073090Everyone likes Spider-Man. That's why a cynical guy like Frank Castle was chosen to be paired up with Spider-Man. He's what YOU can be. He's not a self-insert, he's the end goal, you root for him to him. In Earth 616, he's quite literally God's favorite Superhero.
>>155073090No I don't wonder why people like Spiderman, I do wonder why girls find him hot while also finding someone like Superman "dorky" and a "beta"
>>155072265Yeah stick a fork in it. It's over.
>>155072722
>>155072257Hot
if this is really an anime I want unrequited crush girl and dense protag
>>155073042>>155073263The people complaining about Supes personality are generally jaded men who want him to be an isekai anime tier power fantasy.Women generally don't care much about Superman because he's kind of seen as a character for boys due to being the quintessential virtuous super hero who saves the world and stops bad guys, while other heroes are seen as more human by having fundamental character flaws and emotional fragility dealing with drama. It's not necessarily true, but it's a general perception issue.
the complete 180 she did after seeing peter's mind was quite funny
>>155073480Artfag I require you draw catgirl Jean purring on Peter's chest
Jean can overcome Marvel writing.
>>155071664Hypothetically what would a kid of theirs be like? A wall crawler with a telepathically heightened spider sense?
>>155073569How would an alive Aunt May react to Peter bringing his stinky telepathic hobbo girlfriend to family dinner?
>>155073586In another universe where that happened, the kid is that universe's Madame Web.Probably.
>>155073586Mayday with extra powers and Cable with a good child
>>155073613Probably with "Holy shit, Peter, how did I get here? The last thing I remember is being in the lobby of that apartment building. What happened to the green goblin? Why do you look 5 years older? Am I having a stroke?"
Jean will continue to project lewd thoughts into Peter until he does something about it.
Bratty little psychic terrorist sisterwife
Jean and Peter ARE a good ship, but it just makes it all the more insufferably hamfisted that Jean doesn't just fucking TELL Spiderman that she is looking for her kidnapped sister during one of their many conversations earlier in the film, especially once she is learned enough about the guy to know that he's likely to be sympathetic and even helpful in pursuit of her goal. Like, seriously: what would telling him cost her? Even if Spiderman still was working against her afterwards, the information doesn't help him beat her or anything. It wouldn't make her more vulnerable. And Damage Control already knows that she is the person hitting their facilities anyway, because they are aware of her power and its obvious that she is the one doing it even if they do not know exactly where she is hiding. There was literally no reason to keep her motivation a secret/not to ask for help beyond the fact that the screenplay requires everyone to be an idiot to prolong the film.
>>155074015She assumed he was working for Damage control and when she challenged him on it he doubled down twice Damage control is unambiguously evil in the previous movie, NWH. She has every reason not to trust him
>>155074015Damage Control tried to KILL Peter immediately after aunt May's death and he randomly disregards this fact when Jean points out that they are the bad guys
>>155072622>>155072721Nigga you gay now. >>155066685
>>155074015>what would telling him cost her?Jean thinks he's a DODC asset and he honestly is for most of this movie
>>155074015>hurr durr why doesn't she just talk to peter about itGee, I fucking wonder>can't hop in and read his mind>knows he's working with Damage Control>has extreme trust issuesI swear retards like you who complain about this didn't watch the fucking movie
Jean Grey Getting New Comic Series Following 'Brand New Day' Success >The hero—who recently made her MCU debut in Spider-Man: Brand New Day—returns to Earth this November in Jean Grey #1, the start of a five-issue limited series from X-Men writer Jed MacKay and acclaimed artist Rogê Antônio.https://comicbookmovie.com/comics/marvel-comics/marvel-comics-reveals-new-jean-grey-comic-book-series-following-spider-man-brand-new-days-success-a229410
>>155074258yeah but that's still 616 Jean Grey not a comic based on the MCU Jean
Need a scene where J. Jonah Jameson talks about that menace Spider-Man working with his potential lover-in-crime the Phoenix.Then Peter gets embarrassed but Jean Grey goes "haha, but what if though???"
i'm like 99% sure most of yall are just lonely self insertfags
>Why is a half man half spider working for an organization that hunts anyone who's different>Damage control isn't hunting you because you're different. They're hunting you because you're dangerous Peter is the reason she doesn't trust him. If you're wondering why she decided to start torturing and raping him it was this comment right here
>>155074258Notice how they made her look like Sadie Sink
>>155074015She tells Peter. Peter goes to ask. Peter gets captured by the DODC task force with their new anti-spiderman weapons and he doesn't have his video game level up powers to fight back.
>>155074258MARVEL, GIVE ME AN ELSEWORLD COMIC WHERE JEAN AND PETER ARE A COUPLE AND MY SOULS IS YOURS!
>>155074320if he offered to help her from the start would she have let him?
>>155074406If she had reason to believe he'd go after Damage Control, maybe, but she didn't have any reason to think that and Peter wasn't going to give her any. Even if he tried talking first he'd say something "I have friends at Damage Control" and she'd immediately shut him out.
>>155074399Very well, but it shall be dramatically better than the current Spiderman ongoings, end on a massive cliffhanger, and never be resolved or continued.
>>155074430I can live with that.
>>155074406Hard to say. MCU Peter is pro government and is consistently seen siding the police and other law enforcement
>>155074430
>>155074428Okay, but why? Jean isn't in the same position as most people, she can *literally* work alongside Peter and never once put herself in any danger of being captured in some kind of trap because she can always be using remote controlled bodies. It costs her nothing to try working with him, if anything even if it IS a trap she could learn something useful to narrow her search.
>>155074430SO BE IT
>>155074423>grr spydaman>omg petah hiI love these. So cute.
>>155071664Ok let's admit they do get together,How the fuck Peter will deal with her once she chuds out???
>>155074459The civil war Germany battle was televized. This Peter aided in arresting multiple avengers on government order
I hope to finish another drawing of Peter and Jean late tonight I need to study my fundamentals, and it looks like I'll be getting a commission yeah.I wish people would pay me to draw Jean x Peter that be so sweet.
Jean Grey has never been a good character. Comics, cartoons, movies, nothing. So this new MCU Jean, who has had an unequaled response, should not be required to draw on past material for her future movies. It's okay to write a new character, and it's okay for that character to be Peter Parker's love interest.
>>155074567Dark Phoenix storyline doesn't make sense with this version of Jean, like at all. The entire point Dark Phoenix is the goody-two-shoes boring nice girl Jean becoming an uninhibited bad girl and taking a walk on the wild side. This version of Jean isn't a meek boring princess from the start, Dark Phoenix would just be redundant for her.
>>155074624She was good in Evolution though
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>>155074588start a twitter account then a patreon/fanbox
>>155074635Just recontextualize it to her being a ticking time bomb. The incident in BND will follow her and others will expect her to crash out again. You'll have people who walk on eggshells with her and people who think>it's only a matter of time before she freaks out againand treat her like shit because of it
It's not that complicated. Jean thinks Peter is a cop because he has always sided with the state over the little guy and he's literally done this. The only time he didn't was NWH. Shield tells him to do something he does it. Damage control tells him to do something he does it. The sokovia accords tell him to do something he does it. She has no reason to assume he would be on her side over Sara. For all she knows he would say Sara deserves to be in jail for possessing people and then arrest her too. This isn't comic Peter. MCU Peter never had a "Cap was right" moment.
MCU Jean is more interesting than Comic Jean.
>>155074720Holy shit, actually, they should've shown that this Jean was following MCU peter from the start and saw how much of a corporate / government stooge he was. That actually would've reinforced her hatred quite well and gotten more of the audience to be on her side.
>>155074763I think the movie should have been more obvious about two thinks >Jean is entirely aware of Peters history and sees him as a super powered Damage control agent. One of the damage control agents she controlled loves him.>Peter is just as guilty of mind manipulation. MJ's life was radically changed off course because he didn't fulfill her request to tell her what happened as soon as possible before she figures it out
>>155073437It does share elements of it
>>155074763Yeah I think a lot of people don't really pick up that MCU Peter sided with iron man and fought to arrest Cap for breaking the accords. Something Jean and her sister are guilty of before the events or the movie.
>>155074743Only because she's a menace that hasn't redeemed herself to the public yet even by the end of BND. Peter is the sole person that would vouch for her not being a sociopath. Problem is Spider-Man could also be accused of being in bed with her which is making him biased.
>>155074831Didn't he have to do the memory wipe shit or else the timeline would have been invaded by endless numbers of Spider rogues? Still, not trying to be a part of her life ASAP is kinda lame. If she fell in love with you before she can do it again.
>>155074934Even if the final version of the spell was forced on him, the initial spell that kicked things off when it broke was still Peter trying to selectively fuck with people's memories without their knowledge or consent.
>>155074901>>155074934she better keep the jacket look in her super outfit
>>155075057She's just going to look like rogue if she does that
What can I say except YABBA DABBA DOO
>>155074901>>155074934>>155075057It’s not about the outfit, it’s about the cute bangs and red hair
>>155075159
>>155075175Parted hair is cute too
>Civil WarPeter sided with the government against Captain America. Unlike the comics be never gets punished for this>HomecomingPeter defeats Vulture, who is motivated by Damage Control ruining his livelihood. Peter completely disregards Vulture's argument that people need to do illegal things to survive because it involves selling guns to criminals. Ultimately Peter ends the movie on positive terms with the government>Far From HomePeter starts the movie working closely with police Peter is recruited by the government to stop Mysterio's monsters and punished repeatedly for not doing what Fury says >No Way HomePeter is almost killed by Damage control and fights against Dr. Strange. This is the most anti government Peter has ever been but nobody remembers these characters events>Brand New DayPeter immediately sided with the police and the government. When he is questioned for working with damage control he argues on their behalf. When Peter finally goes against damage control it is confirmed that what they were doing was illegal anyways. Messinger goes on the run for his crimes. I'm going to make an unfortunate argument here. The MCU has full proofed Peter from being a vigilante. Spider Man is often pitted against the police in other media as a way of establishing that he isn't a government hero. He does things his own way. MCU Peter is not there. He legitimately never looked further into Cap's arrest. Cap is breaking the law so he sides against him. Simple as. The actual morality doesn't come up like it did in other media. So when Jean questions Peter for siding with Damage Control, an organization that actually shot and injured him with live rounds in the previous movie, Peter declares that she deserves it. When you ask what Jean didn't ask him for help, you have to realize this is no different from asking a Damage Control agent for help. MCU Peter is lawful good not Chaotic good. He lets all of her victims get arrested
>>155075105>>155075159i find her kind of generic looking with regular long parted hair tbqh
>>155075057I just want the hood. Girls look cute with the hood on.
>>155075057>>155075105"Superhero spandex with a coat over it" is actually a kickass look and I wouldn't at all mind if it became the X-men's whole aesthetic. Jean can keep the chunky hobo jacket, Rogue gets her weird jacket that only gets her shoulders and chest (seriously what kinda jacket is that even supposed to be). Give someone else a trenchcoat, bomber jacket, everyone gets their own fit.
>>155075298>Rogue gets her weird jacket that only gets her shoulders and chest (seriously what kinda jacket is that even supposed to be).cropped leather
>>155075328
>>155074015To the film's credit, on my second watch I perceived that her second conversation with him, where she starts possessing that black guy in the street, she does ask him why he's working with damage control. If she'd perhaps been a bit less aggressive about it, maybe he wouldn't have said because she's dangerous, and maybe they could have found some common ground.
The jacket outfit is definitely a proto-costume just like Peter's goggle outfit. Thats why it happens to have the same color scheme as her superhero costume. She's going to wear either spandex or one of those military outfits that vaguely resembles her comic outfit. Most likely the latter due to how she's characterized. This Jean probably doesn't want to wear spandex.
>>155074015>>155075349The movie should have been more up front about it because most people are overlooking this detail.Jean doesn't start openly threatening him until he calls her dangerous and insinuates that Damage Control is right for hunting her
>>155075350
So what were some ships y'all liked before this one? Mine included WidowTracer, StarCo, Sonaze, and HomuMado.
>>155075344LMAO
>>155075390CYKE
>>155075373This is cute but I really Hope Jean doesn't do a Sumire tier character 180 after turning gold
>>155075274Imagine we'll just cut to a symbioted Peter in Secret Wars struggling around with the symbiote and Jean says the magic words.
>>155074015>Spider Man, you don't understand. Damage Control captured my sister>What crime did your sister commit?>What>What crime did she commit? Is your sister dangerous too>WHAT>*inhibitor go brrr* You're going to jail lolAnd yes Peter has chucked sympathetic crooks in jail before too and laughed at them like Prowler
The only reason Peter sided with Jeannine the end of the movie was because the evil guy lied confirming to Peter that he is doing something crooked
>>155073033CUTE!
Why isn't Marvel capitalizing on this while the movie is still somehow is getting a lot of seats in theatres?Even if its just them like posing in a poster in like an official comic art, that'd be more than enough to spark this ship even more. It doesn't even have to be romantic, just them being in the same picture would be more than enough to spark some more interest in discussion and fan content made stuff.Something to give to the fans.
>>155075419marvel has the infinite money glitch right here in the palm of their hands
>>155074423Trickcal style fits so well
>>155071664
>>155075580They knew this movie would successfully promote the X men. They didn't know it would promote the narrative that Spider Man should be tied to the X men Remember in the 2010s when Iron Man was attached to everything spider Man was in? We might see that in the future
>>155075599Yeah Jean was really feeling herself in this moment
>>155071678Man, AI is freaky >>155073033Very cute potatoes >>155073263Super-man is dorky(which there is nothing wrong with inherently), especially in that last movie. The dog and supergirl did kind of treat Superman like shit in said last movie too.
>>155074934>Didn't he have to do the memory wipe shit or else the timeline would have been invaded by endless numbers of Spider rogues?Yeah, but Jean's only context about that is some vague "I did this to protect them" phrases (not too dissimilar from how Sara used her powers on Jean herself) and the fact that he's been stalling to tell MJ about it for years despite her request before it.
>>155073263Spider Man is usually portrayed as cute or cool instead of just dorky. Super Man almost feels like a fireman half the time
>>155071779Thenerdcrew™ aren't based enough for the movie, being my wife's son as long as they come legally kratos grew as a person types. >dyslexia: cured >Of course Jean Grey "gets aways with it" because she's a girl, entirely because Peter 1. Likes her 2. chuddily knows her actions were not thought out active moral choices but reactive >Spiderman is not a cuck about "sexual assault" >There is no "they don't know how much you sacrificed" nonsense, the few people who know anything in the movie was her fault are either evil or Peter will make them fuck off >The "double standard" is literally the patriarchy, it's central to the writing >Zendaya by audience demand is out of the franchise >Message of the MJ plot end: stop fucking simping Chuds won (internet deradicalizers most effected.) 2.7+ billion dollars of normie money backs these decisions and assure more fucking normal movie stories and a spiderman who finds happiness.
>>155075716>deadpool shows his hidden stash of spidey merch in secret wars>jean secretly pockets some in her jacket when they leave
>>155075738Nice of Spidey to spare his a amazing friend ice man.>>155075757What is the Thenerdcrew?>>155075765That would be funny.
>>155075738From Homo Superior, to Homosexual
>>155075757>Chuds wonWelp, I do like that new white couple ship and gingers getting popular again of course
How is it mostly right-wing YouTubers complaining that Jean is a "rapist"
>>155075882They're right-wing, they just hate women.
>>155075882Are they right wing, though?
>>155075266Is there even a reason for him to go against authorities in those movies though?>CWTony brought him to help against rogue Avengers and every Avenger knew he didn't mean anything personal by it and it was all Tony's influence >HCThe weapons in question are based on alien tech and it would be unreasonable to just let people sell them willy nilly>FFHHe was convinced that they were fighting interdimensional threats and he has no reason to go against Fury since they're both fighting for the same cause>NWHDamage Control was fighting an active bomber and for all they knew Peter brought in a bunch of monsters and caused the explosions>BNDA lot of civilians were put in danger for no reason
Not enough people are understanding that Jean is just another one of those characters who will obliterate anything between her and her goals. The movie doesn't try to sugar coat her actions. Chucking her in jail with people who want to give that power to the military isn't a good option
>spiderman literally throws her in jail and she gets experimented on for her powers>"omg why don't they just throw her in jail again"
>>155075917I would say all of those examples are reason enough for someone like Jean not to trust him. This Peter was not shown fighting against the US government until THIS movie and the ending of the move safeguards him against that by confirming that what DC was doing was illegal anyways
>>155075917Yeah that's a whole lot of instances of Peter effectively being a police officer who cares more about principles than nuances
Peter literally brags about attacking Captain America in Homecoming btw
>>155075965The only reason he went back to save her is because Messinger lied and the Damage Control Agents attacked him instead of letting him in the building. He would have let her rot if he didn't suspect Damage Control was doing something bad
>>155076023>He would have let her rot if he didn't suspect Damage Control was doing something badnah, he told metzger he wanted to talk to her after she was incarnated. that to me suggests he wanted to find out her motivations and if they were sympathizable enough, maybe even make a case for rehabilitation.
Jean does not know that Sara is dead. Jean doesn't even know that Sara was being hurt. She just thought Sara was in jail for committing crime so why the fuck would Peter help?>My sister is in jail for possessing people in a park>GOOD
>>155076023Unironically yeah, Peter wouldn't have given it a second thought if MJ hadn't said anything.He was so distracted during the previous possessions to really pay attention to what the people were saying about it to notice the inconsistency until MJ said it in a moment of complete peace and relaxation that Peter could finally go "oh shit wait".
>>155075882>right-wing
>>155075882They don't want to appear racist so hate the movie and analyze it through the lens of intersectionality
>>155075266To be fair this Peter is also young enough to trust the government in such a degree. Fucking Iron Man groomed him as his minion, MCU Parker never had much of a chance to develop independently
>>155076131Retard lmao
>>155076056what evidence did the DODC have that they were posessing people
>>155076001Tbf fighting Cap sounds awesome as a teen
>>155072126Dumb faggot
It's gonna be so fucking funny when this ship doesn't happen lmao
>>155076001Like you wouldn't brag about fighting Captain America and grabbing his shield
>>155075882There are women hating left wingers. Adult men who collect funkos are most definitely left winged by nature of onions consumerism. That being said, I see more arguments for the former. Ring winger seem to like the movie
>>155075266>>155076100Kek
>>155076298Oh, you saw that one too? Lel.>>155076273
>>155076056>Jean doesn't even know that Sara was being hurt.I mean a bunch of armed goons tracked her sister to the ground and kidnapped her, I would assume that if someone did something like that to a friend or family member of mine that they are going to be hurt worse later on.>>155076100I don't really get why people are upset with spider-man/calling him palantir Parker for using the city's/govt facial recognition cameras, it's not like he invented the tracking software himself or set up the cameras. That would be on the NYC government.>>155076273Man, couldn't they have at least gotten someone to draw it? AI shit feels cheap.
>>155076198The ship will become a martyr, and when they force the ship with Scott and nobody likes it they won't get the gold mine that SpiderPhoenix would have given them.
>>155076155>N...n...nyooooo efap is based and redpilled!!!1! Then why do they hate the first good MCU spiderman?
>>155076332Bnd sucks shit lmao
>>155076157Peter hasn't needed context to chuck criminals into prison before. I'm just saying from Jean's perspective there is no reason to assume Spider-man is a potential ally.
>>155076324>>155076100>>155075266Don't want to get too much into it, but it's probably related
>>155076151I feel like he should have grown out of it by now. He probably would have gotten through this movie with less pain if he was skeptical of Damage Control
>why are you siding with the MUTANT HUNTING SPARTANS>Because you are a CRIMINAL>I am going to SHOVE MY TONGUE DOWN YOUR THROAT FOR THAT >WHAT>what
>>155076539>ha ha I'm going to RAPE YOU Spider-Man>NUH UH NOT IF I CONSENT FIRST>huh?>go on, finish what you started inside me>Peter, what the fuck?>I'M HERE FOR YOU, JEAN
>>155071873sexuality is a spectrum and not binary so you can go back to being straight if you really truly wanted to by using dopamine desensitization just jack off to a lot of gay porn until you get so sick of gay porn you become straight. same pipeline weebs go from anime girls to femboys to regular boys but like in reverse.
>>155076596Technically, Jean isn't a rapist btw, she's just a sexual assaulter
You make a good argument but this point still presents Jean as a ruthless asshole who will sexually humiliate you for taking a stance against crime
This is what I imagine Jean sees on her phone anytime she asks Peter how he's doing since she left NYC
>>155076596>Don't think I can't get in your head>Go ahead and do itThey both say while covered in sweat all huffing and puffing
>takes his mask off to see his face>first instinct is to kiss him?
>>155076669I think MCU Jean as a character has no sense of personal space or decency. She doesn't care about privacy. Look at how she didn't hesitate while using MJ's body like that. She didn't have to do this. She wanted to ruin him. She wanted him to know that nobody is safe from her and that if she can't get into his head she will get into his mouth. There is no safety. He is prey.
>>155076616>isn't a rapistShe invented a new kind of rape that the legal system hasn't made a paw for yet. Mindrape.
>>155076494But Avi Arad has been in bed with spider-man for about 30 years. Are people just now finding out about this?
Everyone thinks the kiss was extreme and unnecessary but I think that was kind of the point? It's a character establishing moment warning Peter that Jean will do ANYTHING to get what she wants and that there is no moral limit that will stop her. The movie is confirming that she isn't just being cocky. She is dangerous and equipped to cause extreme pain if provoked. The kiss says "I will make you regret getting in my way as much as I possibly can"
>>155075738>Bobby That reminds me, does someone have a screencap of that Iceman Better Call Saul greentext from some threads back? I remember someone saying they took one
>>155076705>I've been inside SOOO many people, Peter>you know I don't like talking about this Jean>I know but you're the only one I liked being inside >where are you going with this, Jean?>it's such a shame>what is a shame?>that no one's been inside me yet>I mean when find the right person some day that will change>oh my god Peter, you MORON!
>>155076539The dichotomy between him being NYC's most beloved superhero and the only person she views as an equal vs. Someone who stands in her way and is pretty adamant about it for some reason.Even post-capture, Jean still gives him some leniency. She specifically beats his ass so she can talk about how similar they are and how they both should give up being human.
Jean's exact age isn't given in the movie but I assume 19 because I fefel like she just doesn't behave like a teenager at all. She goes on way too many grandiose speeches that actually sound like a cynical adult. An edgy teenager would try harder to sound like Sephiroth or something. Jean isn't being performative like teenagers tend to be, she actually means all the thigns she's declaring to Peter
>>155076910So...if Peter agreed with Jean and joined forces with her what would've she done? I mean he could pretend and simply wants to hear her true motivations once gaining her trust but that wouldn't be very heroic I suppose.
>>155076910>Even post-capture, Jean still gives him some leniency. She specifically beats his ass so she can talk about how similar they are and how they both should give up being human.>>155076910This is her tacitly inviting him over to her side. The non human side. Be honest with yourself, you don't get to be Peter Parker anymore. Be Spider-man. Make the same decision I did and be a monster. It's kind of like Goblin's speech. A lot of people get confused by the argument in the end because they say that "Being spider man vs peter parker isnt the conflict" but it is. To be 100% Spider is to live alone, be a machine that stops crime. Have no friends. Act as a crime stopping entity for the rest of your life and stop trying to balance it all Jean gave up that balance when her sister was taken
>>155071708kek
>>155076352Get raped
>Penetrates her protective area, shooting out gobs of sticky white stuff in the process>>rapes the rapist by giving her what she deserves; encouragement, companionship and a hug from a maternal figure
>>155077108The movie ending was a sex metaphor. The vault is her private parts. The hand is her virgin blood. The organic webbing is his semen spraying everywhere
>>155071779a lot of these youtubers think the fact that jean does not care about random civilians is an accident. she very clearly states her opinions on people as a whole
>>155077134What are the ninjas a metaphor for
>>155077159>The hand is her virgin bloodThe Hand are the ninjas, newfag.
>>155076966To the movies credit there is no contrived are we the baddies thing where Peter has the opportunity to hear the other side and learn grey morality crime le good actually. He stays exactly the same whole movie because he's right when he stops Jean and right when he takes down damage control for trying to shoot him in the face and right when he turns Gmanman in to the government after convincing Jean to not kill. Jean is the same under other circumstances and without Spiderman's moral framework. So the same conviction clashes all movie until spiderman powermindbottoms his upbringing into Jean.
>>155076966I don't think there's any viable path to a peaceful partnership for them. Peter would insist on doing things "clean" by going to the media or something, and that would never work with Damage Control having the full weight of the government behind it while Jean has a bad reputation and no one aligned with her can be that credible since she has literal mind control powers. The only possible way it would work is Valentina deciding having Jean and Spider-Man owing her a favor is worth selling out Damage Control. Jean would probably get impatient and go grab the Hulk long before that kind of political maneuvering could ever happen.
>>155077134Why are writers so horny
>>155077203I'm saying what if Peter Parker tried to agree with Jean and join her against Damage Control while planning to betray her later? He could hack into files way easier than her without attacking people and entire server sites physically.
>>155077237>wearing nothing but a coat to bed>her hair is still tied when she's obviously baiting him into her clutchesThis artists has no idea how couples tease each other sensually. It's such a blatant foot fetish piece.
>>155077235And I'm saying he wouldn't do that. Like people were saying further up in the thread, MCU Spidey is like two steps removed from being a cop, he wouldn't even fake going to war with DC. Maybe if he worked out to be some kind of double agent with Damage Control in advance, but if Jean found out he'd done that to her she'd pop his head like a grape before Mental May could start her pep talk.
>>155077064Angry little faggot lmao
>>155077291>Jean has the memory of Peter staring at himself naked in a tall mirror at home >it flashes in her mind every time she thinks of the words "you have me"I think Jean is regretting reading all of his memories the last time he consented to a mind meld.
i wanted it to be firestar but jean works better
>>155077361Jean will be MCU Firestar after they nerf her Phoenix powers
>>155077306It baffles me that the Thunderbolts and Valentina de Fontaine specialize in political+corporate espionage yet aren't the slightest bit interested in Damage Control potentially being corrupt. Yelena knows DODC recruited The Hand, Valentina knows the US government is super corrupt enough to support her shady practices.
>>155073263lol you might be a gay guy
>>155077382Liz Allen's actress once commented that she wanted to be firestar
>>155077432Going by ultimate spider-man logic, she could
>>155076494Why won't Avi Arad just fuck off already. He's been like this from the previous Spider-Man movies under Sony, & he's just such a greedy fuck. He even wanted Spider-Man to be the focus in Civil War instead of Bucky
>>155077410Maybe Valentina was in on it? Probably would like to have a new super soldier after Bob couldn't be control.
>>155077340>has memories of a ripped young attractive dude looking at himself after taking a showeri dont think she'll be regretting much
>>155076780People knew Avi is an asshole that needed to go, but the Israeli part is something new but only added more reasons why he needs to be removed. He's only just holding Spider-Man back if he continues to have his ways
>>155077410>Peter goes to Yelena and drops the bomb that maybe the super hero kill squad group may have less than noble intentions >"Noooooo our side, corrupt? Who could imagine a government being self serving and totalitarian. Red guardian are you hearing this, Peter says our side is doing bad things." >"Your little girlfriend is going to have a bad time spidertovarich if you don't stop her. There is a way to the world" >"Small potato" >"Well fuck you guys too! I'm gonna see what damage control is doing right now">Yelena watches on the news how spiderman has betrayed America and is now enemy number 1 after bombing that government daycare center, also his name is Peter Parker according to the passport found in the blast It'd be a very different movie
>>155077410Well we know the New Avengers (tm) are weighed down by a lot of shit by the time of the post-credit scene in their movie: Sam's whole name 'tism, the media taking fat shits on them every chance they get, and their merch not even being popular. Honestly Yelena's whole potato thing to Peter was probably her deflecting because she's busy dealing with bullshit instead of actual hero work.The real answer is bad writing of course.
>>155076966I don't think she was going into the "joining forces" angle (as she was already handling DC all by herself), but she really wanted to see the "monster" loose, whatever that is.Monster Peter, for all she's seen and how Peter perceives himself as, is something that's supposed to be contained. It's violent (as Jean can attest to, considering it stomped her and held her by the throat), it almost kills a civie in a fit of rage, and it would've killed that Hand agent if "Peter" didn't exist to save him.I'm not even sure what Jean herself would've done next as monster, considering she had no concrete goal anymore.
>>155077361>i wanted it to be firestar but jean works betterShe could be BOTH. Similar to Ned/Ganke or Aunt May/Uncle Ben.
What are they going to do on the bed
>>155077540https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eArbgo-DuA
>>155075729>Jean finds out about the spell shit Peter Parker was trying to do in NWH>confronts him about it>he caves immediately and says it was a huge mistake>Jean leans in to whisper the fact he was as bad as her at one point turns her on
>>155077206Thumbnail had me thinking it was Peter leaning over Jean on the ground
you think they would've gone along as well as they did if they met during spiderman homecoming?
>eastern artists are making cute wholesome ship art>western artists are turning peter into a troon for some fucking reasonreally makes you think
>>155077605I think both Sarah and Jean would be interested in Spider-Man if they lived in New York at that time. Neither of them could jump into him and he really does seem like a friendly neighborhood hero going after petty crime. Maybe he could get Stark to pay for their tuition into a nice school. Peter's school
i wonder if the police lady being immediately understanding that something is wrong with peter is the movie trying to telegraph that there are people out there who will try and understand mutants (peter is not a mutant but for the purposes of the story he has to have parallels to mutants) so when he clearly deliberately uses all of his might to slam scorpion into an incoming police car she knows that something about him must have gone off and he needs to rest
>>155077629>Easterners want Peter to be happy>Western artists want Peter to be miserable>so miserable he develops body and identity dysphoria Says a lot, don't it?
>>155077629hate that all rule 63 art is just troonshit now
>>155077682>Western artists want Peter to be miserable>so miserable he develops body and identity dysphoriaBut I want Peter to be happy and not fuck up his dick. Unfortunately all I can draw are stick figures.
>>155077641It's also part of the foiling they do between Peter and Jean.Peter's emotional state directly affects his spider hormones fucking up, which causes him to act uncharacteristically to his own detriment. He becomes "dangerous" instead of just "different"Everything Jean does in the movie is born out of her emotions from being abandoned by her mom, and her sister being kidnapped by the government in broad daylight. She becomes "dangerous" before the movie even begins, and it isn't until Peter recognizes where that comes from that she's able to become "different" again via May.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv1qeDDsDik>Every single Youtube result is saying this movie is shit>Every single such video says "lots of idiots are praising this show"To date I have not seen a single person that understood what the Jean Grey flashback or Aunt May brain dance was actually meant to convey.No seriously, I'm not a "muh media literacy" type but for fucks sake did anyone reviewing it actually watch it (for free on a pirate site)?
>>155077538Funny to think its that maybe if they follow the symbiote story after Secret Wars basically she could see what a truly unchained "monster" Peter is with the black suit and the creation of Venom as this "dark mirror"
>>155077725pretend i am one of those stupid people and explain it to me
>the chud thread stays>the woke thread gets autosagedNice
crossover with the other popular spider-man art trend at the moment
>>155072385I always thought the amazing Spiderman Gwen was pretty hot.But yea, Zendaya has like 0 on screen charisma.
>>155077799this meme implies that >>155077799Ned and MJ are transphobic
>>155077807>But yea, Zendaya has like 0 on screen charisma.disagreeI used to be somewhat with the chud hate train until far from home, she is very cute in that movie and she smiles... yeah I can see why peter would fall in love
>>155077799Kek, the troonrats are leaving their sinking ship
>>155077830faggot lmao
>>155077837you are taking a silly art meme too seriously
>>155077799>popularLmao
>>155077725Okay but the movie has outgrossed Infinity War's entire run so no one cares what youtubers are saying
Should Peter being able to go toe to toe with the Hulk make him immune to 50cal bullets? Blunt force trauma is basically the same as massive penetration in a small surface area right?
>>155077863Fuck off you loony
>>155077874the original comic has 22 million views
>>155077883>It made lots of moneySo did avatar lmao
>>155077863No, you spammed it too seriously and that's what your thread gets for this
>>155077898Twitter people ain't human
>>155077887I mean he tanks the 50cal pretty well, IRL that shit would've blown him in half easily.He still would've died from it if Jean didn't save his life, but it's still impressive he didn't explode from it.
>>155077937He's the goat when it comes to not exploding from a 50 Cal just like ultimate Peter. Unfortunately truck kun took ultimate Peter away temporarily.
>>155077937>Frank watches spiderman take a mk211 explosive armor piercing round to the heart >Heart still beating, Jean assisted or otherwise >Knows full well that bitch can go through 2" of RHA and if it had hit that teenage girl it'd go through most of the building behind her too >Shits brick, it rains inside on his eyes, also what would it take to even kill spiderman.
>>155077176What did the Punisher blowing out Peter's back with his huge black rifle represent?
>>155077540cuddlefuck
>>155077629>>western artists are turning peter into a troon for some fucking reasonI saw art of troon peter considering suicide and no it wasn't made as a joke.
>>155077769It establishes her abandonment complex due to her mother leaving her and her older sister.They go out of her way to have her focus on a mother and her child playing together, showing what her desire is.They show how emotionally dependent Jean is on her sister, who has to act as a surrogate parent and teacher for their developing psychic powersIt shows that her older sister encultured an "us vs them" mentality in Jean Grey regarding mutants and non mutants and more broadly people with powers vs normal people.Then they have the trauma of losing her sister to Danger Control and finding herself alone in a park after her sister ends the possession.The point is to give Jean Grey a moral justification for what she has done. It's to show why she thinks and acts the way she does (callous disregard for collateral ddamage) and sets up for the eventual talk with Aunt May inside Peter's mind. If Jean Grey wasn't so desperate for a parental figure to accept her, if she didn't have the beliefs that normal people can't accept people with powers, then the scene wouldn't work.Whether you consider the pay off worth it or well done is another thing, but most critics seem to be dramatically missing the point and its starting to get annoying.
people laugh at us for thinking this will happen but they won't be laughing when the canon jean/scott pairing is boring as fuck and noone cares about it
>>155077830I mean, I'm surprisingly finding myself defending this movie and I've only seen her acting from this movie and stand by my 0 charisma stance.
>>155078196Sure I will because you still lost lmao
>>155078199its definitely the acting direction and lines they give hershe is way more charismatic off camera but they keep making her do the daria lite and its so shit
>>155078199well she's supposed to be standoffish in this moviepeter is a stranger
>>155077883When do the Youtubers turn around and pretend this movie was always good?It's like how Baldur's Gate 3 and Dispatch suddenly don't count as woke despite literally being everything they claim to hate.
>>155078219least i knew i lost but you are out here spending your time shilling for the ship equivalent of boiled chicken and rice
>>155078234>>155078226Come to think of it, I don't think there's a single scene excite for Spidey's voyeur moment for her to be charming.Also why does everyone keep saying that they both regained their memories when Zendaya explicitly says she doesn't remember Peter.The only scene I can see as an example is Peter's best friend, but he explicitly doesn't recognize Peter even at the ending. Only recognizing that "Peter" is "Spiderman Peter" and showing that Peter as Spiderman and Ned just naturally get along as friends (MJ noting from her observation that they act like natural friends).Even the handshake thing is presumably Ned having done the handshake with his college friends and then being surprised that Peter aka Spiderman also knows it (because Peter still has his memories, everyone else forgot him)It's just another "retard youtubers didn't watch the movie and outed themselves" moment.
>>155078263I don't give a fuck about shipping you dumbfuck lol
>>155078325>exciteMeant except
>>155078325>I don't think there's a single scene excite for Spidey's voyeur moment for her to be charming.I think she's very cute and charming in that scene in FFH on the bridge, where Peter reveals he's Spider-Man.
>>155077705Unironically just use AIFuck the ludites and what they thinkLeftoids also hate AI so you'll be dealing double damage to them
>>155071779because jean is a psycho with no real reason or justification for her actions the ship is the only reason we excuse it
Watching Spider-man and his amazing frinends. Firestar's personality would actually be a cute fit for post-development Jean. She is very quippy and snarky but also very handsy with SpideyTo top it alll off she is weirdly similar looking to Mary Jane. Literally she looks exactly like MJ
>>155078375To each their own.
>>155078326Not him but why are you in a shipping thread then?
>>155072344their mj is just boring
Flashback Jean in X-men 97 resembles Sadie Sink >>155077741
>>155078377I just don't really have a interest in AI. Used to have a art fren that used to draw me stuff but some ginger African got to him.>>155078394I really should rewatch that show. Anyone got any vodka recommendations?
>>155078464Episode 1 is set during a costume party so ironically enough there is a Jean Grey cosplayer randomly in the background just jamming to the music It might be the first reference to Jean on TV?
>>155077629xitter is full of parasitic troons that will latch onto anytjing popular to project their mentall illness? no way!the less we have of that the better, i'm already tired of this >>155071779 faggot in the threads
Do you think they’ll have comics Jean have more green in her non-Marvel Girl/Phoenix costumes? While I still think her Marvel Girl costume is tacky, the color scheme was always good Let Rogue go back to the green-white scheme
>>155073006How strong do you think her body smells?
>>155073941She needs to be corrected by means of cock!
>>155071664What should Peter and Jean's first kiss (true) be like? Who leads?
>>155078645Jean because Peter is oblivious.
>girl abuses guy as violently as she possibly can for at least 3 days>people consider this the basis of romance
>>155078737blame the movie for the inconsistent writingthe fact of the matter is, peter forgives her, considers her worthy of redemption. that's why he takes a bullet for her and that's why she gets a sympathetic ending and not, say, jailtime for walking a guy into traffic.
>>155078737Yes. Yes we do.
>>155076474I love how lewd she looks in this one
>>155078645peter because jean is reckless
>>155078737Yeah Jean locking Peter up and torturing him for three days was kind of fucked but what can yo do
>>155078737the MCU wrote Tom Holland's own wife so poorly that SpiderPhoenix is indeed the superior ship
>>155076705>I think MCU Jean as a character has no sense of personal space or decency.Please anon, I can only get so erect! Ruthless Jean with no sense of boundaries makes me so hard
>>155078737giwtwm
>>155078737Reminds me of the Chainsaw man reze movie
>>155076933>Jean isn't being performative like teenagers tend to be, she actually means all the thigns she's declaring to PeterI found her quite grandiose and theatrical in this part
>>155078737That’s real enemies to lovers kino right there.
>>155078811This was the most aggressive possible way to say "I'm not fucking around Peter" what was her fucking problemthe sister doesnt even begin to cut it
>>155078737>girl abuses guy as violentlyShe let him win most of their fights and only truly hurt him by kissing him using his old lover's body then attempting to kill that person. The Hand fight at the end was only in defense. Jean was trying to convince Peter to lose control to prove a point, not kill him.
>>155078811I think they meant performative in the sense that she overexaggerated her ideals or goals. She was pretty direct in saying and showcasing "Humans suck, I don't care about them, I am willing to use them however I need to to get what I want".She fucked around a little for sure but she didn't stop to give some kind of JRPG villain speech about pitiful humans living meaningless lives, all just waiting to be pawns in her game.
>>155078872it was just a bad scene. peter acts like it doesn't even happen. they could remove that scene and the movie wouldn't suffer
>>15507887299% convinced they filmed this scene before they thought of jean as the villainfor what it's worth, the writers are aware that this is fucking stupid, which is why they've been publicly coping about it, going out of their way to try and say she didnt kill anyonehttps://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/spider-man-brand-new-day-jean-grey-1236671583/
>>155077540Is Jean still a virgin? And I mean it in the physical sense, I know her mind has been everywhere she probably is as degenerate as the average 4channer
"Why didn't Jean ask Spider-man for help? He's a hero"He throws people in jail for stealing bikes and she had just ran a tank through a metropolitan area He said to her face exact words "Whatever V-max is you're NOT getting it" Literally>I don't know what you want (Your sister) but because you're breaking the law I'm going to stand in your way
>>155078737We call that foreplay.
>>155078811>>155078912Yeah that's exactly what I meant, thanks for articulating it. As theatrical as she is, walking that guy into traffic is a pretty firm declaration
>>155078041Damn, and she took in his pain while he was healing.
>>155078937people that ask this question just didnt watch (or understand) the moviejean doesnt trust peter because he's shown to work with the people who kidnapped her sister AND he's the one person whose mind she can't invade, which is probably scarier for her than people realise. if you by default know the intentions of everyone around you, meeting someone who you cant understand like that must make you inherently distrust them.
>>155078937more excuses
>>155075379Joseph Joestar X Lisa Lisa
>>155079002so jean would rather do as she wants no matter the consequences (that she doesn't face) or the people she gets hurt in the process
>>155079036>the consequences (that she doesn't face)she literally went to jail
>Why didn't she just mind invade the director?Because the Punisher would fucking dome her after she released control?>Why not suicide him?The remaining guards would dome her>Why not kill everyone?So you want her to be more evil than she is.
>>155079036not sure what you meanyes, jean would do pretty much anything to do the one thing she wants: freeing her sister
>>155078737>Jean pic related
>>155078737I mean… did you see how Reylo began?
I'm glad you people will never breed lmao
>>155075870Bottom right is dumb she shaved it for gamorras robot sister and its grown back. >>155076933Kevin Fegie said same age>>155078935Yes
It's not that Jean was right, it's firmly out of character for her to ask Spider-man for help. She is confident that she can do it without help and Spider-man is being openly blunt that whatever her motivations are he is going to stand against her. He says it in his own words multiple times >It's because you're dangerous>you're not getting V-max>Whatever V-max is I won't let you have itThat doesn't sound like a guy you ask for help that sounds like a cop who follows blind orders to arrest you
>>155079060the movie literally ends with her getting away
>>155077799Really funny how this implies that Ned and MJ don't fuck with him anymore because he transitioned.
>>155079080that you are a retarded faggot excusing the irrational actions of a psycho>well i can't have it my easy way and that is scary so i'll hurt as many as possible
>>155079008Jean is the villain of the movie, but Peter just confirmed her suspicion that he's a government stooge
lol Kraven accidentally made this ship happen.
>>155078935Her heart is that of a virgin
>>155079137when she is doing what she is doing what is spider-man supposed to do?
>>155079036>so jean would rather do as she wants no matter the consequences (that she doesn't face) or the people she gets hurt in the processYes, that's the character. When people ask why she doesn't ask Spider-man for help this is the issue. A flaw. She could have asked him for help and for all we know he likely would have listened, but she's a ruthless girl on a rampage and he's blocking her way while repeatedly saying he won't let her keep doing whatever she wants
>>155079176Honestly, tanks Kraven. Would have preferred Carrion or Hobgoblin over Jean Grey(as a spider-man film antagonist) but I'll take Jean over chameleon.
>>155079191From her perspective she wants him to just fuck off. That goes completely against his nature so he doesn't
>>155079173I dont get your point... do you think I believe Jean was right to kill/endanger all the people? Fuck with Peter, basically mind-rape him and MJ? These are bad things, shocker.This post chain started with people asking why Jean wouldn't trust Peter, and I explained why she wouldn't. Why do you have an aneurysm?
>>155079175>a hero that does heroic shit and behaves like a hero is actually a government stoogeyou sound like a stupid troon
>>155079222you were outright excusing her retarded actions, retard
>>155079228peter works with damage control who turned out to be, at best, an extremely corrupt if not outright evil organisationwhy would jean think peter has the courage to stand up to them?
>>155079208>tanksI fucking hate myself. Meant thanks
>>155079228She accuses him of working with Damage Control and then he defends DC, so from her perspective she's talking to someone who will intentionally get in the way
>>155079246....no I wasnt? Now I'm starting to think you're just retarded.I explained why she doesn't trust Peter. No more, no less.
>>155079271>poor jean just cant trust peter because she can't ease her way into his mind, she is scared and you'd be too!read the shit you type retard
>>155079228I think you're mixing up the point. It's not that Jean is doing the right thing or that she's being logical, it's that she made the assumption that Peter would side with Damage Control regardless of the information. His superhero debut was literally him helping arrest Cap which he brags about doing. A rogue bodyjacker is not going to trust MCU Spider-man"My runaway sister is in jail please help me" is going to follow up with "Why is she in jail?"
>>155079292Yes, what about it? That doesn't excuse anything. Putting aside the totally pointless cruelty like walking people into traffic or kissing Peter, you'd think a super telepath would have some pretty useful tools to find out if Peter is trustworthy.But the fact that you think my sentence implies absolution for her actions really does make you retarded, so whatever. Enjoy your retardation.
>>155079247because he is a hero, dumb retard>>155079268>the hero is going to stand in the way of the person unapologetically hurting people left and rightno shit
>>155079292Anon nobody is saying she's justified, Just that it's already established for both characters that she doesn't have a reason to think Spider-man would help her.
>>155079300>His superhero debut was literally him helping arrest Cap which he brags about doingDidn't everyone forget about that? Or did the spell only make people forget "Peter Parker"? I didn't watch the last movie.
>>155079319>because he is a hero, dumb retardso? not too long ago a bunch of heroes fought each other during civil war, clearly there is no default action a hero would take, especially when it comes to government compliance
>>155079325No everyone remembers Spider-man and the specific details of Spider-man interacting with people. Dr. Strange remembers NWH. Nobody remembers Peter himself or any information that would tie Peter to Spider-manSpider-man participating in the battle of Germany would still be in the news which we know it was
>>155079315>tries to justify the way she acts>"it's not an excuse"buy a dictionary and then read the shit you type, retard
>>155079188What about her holes? Does she still have a virginal hole remaining?
>>155079343>buy a dictionary and then read the shit you type, retardYou first."justify" implies a moral judgement which my post did not contain. I merely explained her motivation. Explaining is not endorsing, retard.
>>155079321>nobody is justying anything>she is actually scared because his mind can't be read that is why she acts the way she actsjust kill yourself retard
>>155079337>not too long agoalmost an entire decade in universe and in completely different circumstances, retard. it makes no sense to think it would go the same way
>>155079364Anon what do you want me to say? She is literally the bad guy in this situation. She is wrong for involving innocent people in her attacks. She is wrong for drawing an imaginary moral line in the sand regarding Damage Control. She is wrong for assuming Spider-man is complicit in innocent people getting captured. She is wrong for actively hurting innocent people to prove a point. She is the villain. She is a bad person doing bad things because she made a terrible leap in logic that Peter accidentally encouraged. There is no version of this scenario where Jean is the good guy. She did bad things for bad reasons. It's just not bad writing. The character is a violent, vengeful girl.
>>155079359>"justify" implies a moral judgementyou definitely need a dictionary then read the shit you type
>>155079364nta Jean seemed more entertained by the fact that she couldn't read his mind than scared, but she did not ask him for help because he told her that it didn't matter what V-max was anyways since he'll stop her anyways (hulk scene)Realistically he would change his mind if he knew that Damage Control illegally abducted someone but Jean wouldn't know that
Jean WAS justified. MCU Peter is pro government and keeps fucking shit up because people in black suits told him to. This entire situation could have been avoided if HE didn't start taunting her about how he'll keep her out of V-max. He deserved everything he got, including being told off for thinking magical true love kisses were a thing. He's a fucking retard.
So how will Marvel Comics try to cash in on this, if at all? Jean/Scott is one of their sacred pairings, and I highly doubt anything will change in 616
>>155079402not being a stupid retard for once like the other idiot comming up with excuses, that would be a good start>accidentally encouragedsee, retardation. kill yourself
>>155079423Yes, "justify" comes from arguing that a certain action is JUST. It is an inherent moral judgement.Anyways, at this point you either are a complete retard or just arguing to save face for your ego or whatever, so I'm not gonna respond anymore. Imbeciles like you tend to take it as a victory to be so obnoxious nobody wants to talk to you anymore, so congrats.
>>155079471He was given a clear warning sign that she thinks he works for Damage Control and instead of denying it he tells her that Damage Control is right. He gives her to Damage Control and lets her get mindraped
>>155079340>No everyone remembers Spider-man and the specific details of Spider-man interacting with peopleOkay, so the complaint of "why does everyone love spiderman" is also bullshit. Proving that the critics didn't watch the previous movie on top of not watching this movie.Thanks.
>>155079470Nothing in 616 will change, at best a What if comic. Ultimate Peter did date Ultimate Kitty so it's not completely out of the question for him to date Jean in another universe.
>>155079469Holy faggot
>>155079506in their defense the movie doesn't clarify a lot of things that need to be clarified. Like Ned remembers being rescued by Spider-man all those times, he just doesn't remember who Peter was. They could have fixed this somehow by bringing up how Ned and MJ became friends. Ned and MJ were NOT friends before NWH so it is important to fill in the blank. If they really remember everything about Spidey that didn't involve Peter there's a lot of shit that goes unexplained like why it took so long for them to get accepted into colleges when they're both geniuses
>>155079490>Yes, "justify" comes from arguing that a certain action is JUST. It is an inherent moral judgementyeah you should buy a dictionary and read the shit that you type, that way you'd get mad at yourself for coming up with retarded excuses and not accepting that you typed a retarded excuse
>>155079535>I'm going to arrest the symbol of justice because MISTER STARK told me to and then I'm going to do whatever Nick Fury says because MISTER STARK and I'm going to try and beg to join the avengers because of MISTER STARK because MISTER STARK is the best guy everJean should have raped him as the Hulk. MCU Peter is so annoying and it felt so orgasmically good to see someone call him out for his Government bullshit.
>>155077799QRD on this? Why is there suddenly an influx of trans Peter and boomed? Kinda pisses me off that we already have a trans Peter in the form of Ultimate Jessica Drew.
>>155079550Repeating ad hominem isn't an argument anon: if you were to open a dictionary you'd see that "justify" does mean passing a moral judgement as the anon has stated.
>>155079494I wonder why, maybe because she did a lot of stupid shit that put people in danger in the first place but no, just peter "accidentally" encouranging her for sure
>>155079554Frankly BND toned down Peter drastically that he was really tolerable in the movie.
>>155079574One person made a joke about JJJ having to still hate on Spider-(wo)man without being transphobic, someone drew some fanart of the concept, and it became a trend. It's literally just a meme.
>>155079574someone made a comic (https://x.com/0trebot/status/2086886169904599112)people found it cute/funny and started drawing stuff with this conceptsimple as
>>155079554>so Jean, you promise to stop hurting innocent people and I promise to stop believing government authority figures on everything?>yeah, we should go investigate Valentina de Fontaine right now>...uh maybe put a hold on that for-> well, Peter, if you pin me down to stop me from leaving this room I won't complain this time
https://youtu.be/wqvzloFsqWo?t=34>Jean is somehow wrong for humiliating this guy
>>155079579so much for "not going to respond anymore" either that or you are just a retard like that other anon
bad writing is apparently when a character is just inherently biased against the hero
>20 fucking threads of JeanXPeter on /co/>all of them have hit bump limit
It's not just Zendaya. Peter and MJ literally never have a good dynamic in any media in the past 25 years except that FUCKING 2017 CARTOON
>>155079620"as the anon has stated" means I'm a different person, dummy.Go get some reading comprehension.
>>155079670raimi movies have them with a great dynamicincels are just mad because she's a person in those
Peter and Jean would have been a more fun dynamic than Peter and Kitty in an AU Ultimate timeline. I do wonder if the Blip is going to be what's said to have caused mutants to spring up, they seem to be a relatively new thing unless X-men retcons them as having been hidden this whole time.
>>155079655They’re also the amongst the fastest threads on this board, kek. The only competitions are the TADC and Death Battle general, with the latter being solely comprised of gay cuckold shitposts.
>>155079728and the former being comprised of trans gay cuckold shitposts
They’re canon to me
>>155079655They’re the best ship around hereHard to believe it came from the fucking MCU of all places though
Kill all simps lmao
>>155079600Faggot
I think this dynamic would be more compelling if Peter and Jean were more cruel to each other. Jean is basically an insult to Peter's entire life philosophy. She has great power and uses it irresponsibly. He should have been mocking her like he mocks the other villains.Meanwhile Jean on the other hand keeps letting him walk away. Why the fuck would she do that? She has hurt so many other people for less. She should be willing to break his fingers for showing up a second time.
>>155079775>Hard to believe it came from the fucking MCU of all places thoughFor it to be Jean and Peter of all people as well is pretty crazy. I expected a potential romance between Felicia or Gwen Stacy (though that still can happen in future movies) but for Jean and Peter to bond so well over really just one scene, despite being (formerly) enemies, threw me off guard. Then the ship popularity just skyrocketed. Tons of fanarts on Xitter, fics started flooding in on Ao3, millions of likes on PeterJean TikTok vids, extremely fast consistent threads on /co/ that hit bump limit, ect.If Feige just says fuck it to the Michelle/Peter ship and go SpiderPhoenix and actually make it good, then a lot of people will be very happy.
hero guy x dark/evil girl is kino, simple as
>>155079894welcome back invisigal
Can we all agree whether they end up together or not Jean owes Peter lots of sex
>mutual love>one sided crush that eventually develops into a full relationshipor>unrequited love
>>155079974One sided that leads to a relationship, like in shonen manga pairings. But they only get together when Peter is on his way out of the MCU just like Tony and Pepper
So in this universe does Wolverine cuck Spider-man instead of paul?
Watching Spider Man and his Amazing Friends it's just hitting me that they randomly decided to make the X-men Peter's supporting cast
Let me guess, he didn't web up nor web gag Jean Grey once in the new movie.
We never got shown MCU Peter's origin right? What are the chances they're just gonna turn him into a mutant?
>>155080114No, Jean has the physical upper hand throughout the entire movie and the only thing he really lands on her is attaching the inhibitor to her neck
>>155080124Homecoming still mentioned that he was bitten by a spider. But they would probably retcon it.
>>155080131Then I'm keeping my money. Gayest. Superhero. Ever.
>>155080147its jean grey what do you want him to do
>>155080140Considering the shit they pulled with Kamala Khan I wouldn't be surprised.
I like Jean grey as a character overall way more than mj, but for mcu Pete I still like his version of mj. And I don't think they did a very good job with jean as a character, especially if they actually are trying to set up a romance with Pete for her. Mj character mogs her. Sadie and Zendaya were both super pretty and gave excellent performances though; I involuntarily held my breath every time Sadie Sink was on screen.>>155072385I unironically don't understand this argument, I'm pretty chuddy but except for Chani, where Villeneuve is far more at fault than she is, Zendaya has given a wide range of emotions and expressions and demonstrated her varied acting abilities quite well imo. I thought they gave Michelle quite a bit to do in these movies, and she's my favorite live action MJ ever. She suits mcu Pete well I think. I do hate Raimi MJ (I would argue it's intentional) and love Emma Stone Gwen as much as the next guy though.>>155072490Why do you guys think they lack chemistry?>>155072561>EuphoriaThere's a range there. She's also done Challengers, the Drama, and everything she did on Disney channel. Almost nome of that is just scowling.>>155072466I agree, relationship wise, this would be much more interesting but maybe that's the direction they want to head. This movie was too short that way, there's nothing conclusive in it relationship wise.>>155072975>You can tell that this movie went through a lot of rewrites, because it feels a bit at odds with itself. It wants to try and have it both ways but it can't.Well put anon.>>155074303Ooh kino
>>155080161Like I said, web her up or web gag her. Or the real Mary Jane. Or any lipstick wearing redheaded female. Or even a female who is an 8 at best. I know Spider-man webs up and webgags females sometimes. But when it comes to the sinister sausage fest, J Jonah Jameson, and Mega Man, it's too often Spider-Mans targets are male. When I say "I hate Marvel", I'm referring to Spider-Man.
>>155080227>Zendaya>PrettyIf you think sheboons are pretty then your opinion means nothing
>>155080140>Peter was always a mutant but his mutation was supressed>The spider bite unlocked it, instead of giving itProbably something like this
>>155080019Mutts law
>>155080244I think women of all sorts are pretty anon, ymmv.
>>155080124If they did make him a mutant it doesnt need to be that the spider powers are the mutation, he could just have something really shitty and the bit actually did do something. Wouldnt be much point to it though. The reason we werent shown the origin is because this is the third set of spiderman movies and everyone already knows it so redoing it again is pointless. Its like explaining Supermans origin.
>>155073263Tom was a handsome young man when he debuted in civil war. This is him unmasked. He’s also really fit too. I’ve seen a lot of thirst post on twitter and instagram about girls want to bend over for spider-man
>>155080342
>>155072257>>155072648>>155072657>WEBBED>Not THWIP’D
>>155080254Like Deadpool right? Plus mutations activate during puberty so it's a really easy retcon.
https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelcirclejerk/the marvelcirclejerk subreddit has been overwhelmed with spiderjean shitposting
It’s over, even tumblrina who SWEAR by original pairing ships Peter and Jean
>>155080342>>155080478Hey, I've seen that before.
>>155080585>look inside>ban anything jean x peter>trans spider-woman marvel circlejerk gayness hasnt changed i see
>>155071678this tbqh famm
>>155080629It's not that crazy when you realize how many people are on the SpiderJean sub and how they could easily overwhelm other communities. This is the MCU's first popular straight ship
>>155080699Why did you slowed it down LMAO
>>155080622are you guys ready for 10 years of complaining about jean since she's going to be the main protag of the MCU mutants
Why are men pretending they don't want to be raped by a violent redhead
>>155080716My body is ready if Peter and Jean are the new Tony and Steve except actual and hetero lovers this time.
I'm just going to imagine Kishimoto mentioned to Dustin Daniel Cretin that he's using Boruto to make a straight version of Naruto and Sasuke so the shippers can fet it out of their system and a lightbulb went off in his head
>>155080592This is literally rape. From Peter's perspective he's with the love of his life. This is an invasion of the highest fucking order being presented as a cute warm quirk chungus tumblr momentHave you all lost your fucking minds. This is actually genuinely just rape. She is manipulating his emotions to get close to him and be intimate with his bodyHoly fuck
>>155080622but nobody died
>>155080730They'd be legitimately crazy to at least not make them the main duo, romantic or not
>>155079347I just realized the Peter being pinned by dark Phoenix has a boner
>>155080758they're also fictional characters
>>155080592I don't get it. Is Jean controlling Michelle (why?) or this just telling us that Peter moved on from Michelle and is doing the things he thought we wanted to do with Michelle but with Jean instead?
>>155080758AND SHE’S DOING BLACKFACE
>>155080806It’s meant to be the latter but the video is edited retardedly
>>155080622Can you imagine the fucking meltdown from these sort of people if Peter gets together with his “rapist”? I already want the ship to happen for a variety of reasons but I’d also love for it to happen just to spite those people.
>>155080806>Is Jean controlling Michelle (why?)
>>155080716jean stop using your tears as an excuse to grope his ass
>>155080817>They're validating rape by giving the rapist the victim as a prize
>>155080758Thats not the message, the message is that Jean has replaced MJ as his girlfriend and whatever Peter and MJ did he now does with Jean.
>>155080821>finally sex with Jean>she insists on using Michelle's bodyDammit Jean
The funny thing is if anyone would have a serious hangup about sexual assault and consider it an immediate non-negotiable red flag it would be Scott Summers
>>155074659Any doujins of peter and (BND) age accurate jean?
>>155080845>doujins>of anything not gachalol
>>155080842Using other bodies is a good way to make sure you don't get exhausted but still feel the sex
>>155080592>MJ consistently gets mindcontrolled by Jean, as if she was her symbiote, when she wants to get freaky>Pic related is MJ leaving the hospital after Jean made her get rawdogged while hanging from the ceiling
>>155080845Give it a few months and you will have One Hurricane tier doujin
>>155080855>Pete at the Xaviers school>Jean gets exhausted>Starts cycling through the female students who are fine with being Spidey's sexual relief>Jean in control, girl gets to watch from inside their head and remmeber afterwards>Sudden baby boom, lots more responsibility for PeterSomebody write it
>>155080855Don't be lazy Jean.
Several episodes into Spider-man and his amazing friends later. Firestar has a pouty tsundere moment in the firestar episode when she learns Peter has a girlfriend. This is funny since she showed no sign of being interested before. Also the series REALLY loves the X-men.
>>155080821But why though? We literally see Jean through Peter’s eyes.
>>155080946>>155080946>>155080946
>>155080957>not even page 10
>Next movie finally rekindles Peter and Michelle's relationship >Michelle's boyfriend somehow moved on pretty quickly and she's unbothered by it>Peter and Michelle go on an amazing journey of rediscovery and Michelle realizes she loves Peter completely and entirely. She cries tears of pure joy after realizing she finally has Peter back in her life. Nothing could be better>Peter likewise is overrwhelmed by joy in the end, no more suffereing.>Post credits scene>Michelle's eyes close, Jean's eyes open.>Michelle finds herself exhausted and confused. As if her body has been active for an entire day and she's only in control during the sleeping hours. >This has been happening for a long time. Michelle only gets to be conscious when her body is exhausted for the day.>Jean stares herself in the mirror, she can't believe how far she's gone. Controlling Michelle like that for months. >"How am I supposed to tell him now"
>>155080987>>not even page 10yeah this is getting out of hand
>three new threads
If they actually end up becoming canon in the MCU they have to address the fact that their children will end up being freaks. The Spider powers and the mutant powers are not going to go well together.
>>155080987>>155081007>>155081035It’s grown too powerful!
>>155076787But did she have to use tongue tho?
Jean was a really good villain. They kept the Iron Man Jr stuff but they powerscaled it accordingly.
