It’s clear animators these days have a far more limited pool of influence, they just superficially copy anime and don’t branch out. We never get any cool unique action artstyles anymore.
>>155072002Okay, BTAS was animated by Japan sometimes. The Maxx doesn't look like any manga/anime that I know of, and that Miraculous spin-off is animated by Japan
>>155072002Cool, Pantheon is safe!
>>155072002I said this before and I’ll say it again, but the "anime style" has basically become the new "disney style", in the sense that it’s the style everyone sees as the gold standard and tries to replicate, but they do so in a superficial way, and all the artists doing this shit results in everything looking homogenized and bland. Superficially replicate the Disney style and you get the calarts style (calarts as in the real calarts shit John K complained about, not as in beanmouth), superficially replicate anime and you get diet anime.
>>155072046>calarts as in the real calarts shit John K complained aboutThank god that shit didn't last long. WB was better off making more unique films anyway.
>>155072050At least we got Ruber out of this
>>155072055What the fuck, I just found out Will Schifrin was involved with this too. Jesus christ!
>Grow up with basically every major show on TV having its own distinct art style that lets you immediately identify it at a glance>Everything today is either beanmouth of fauxanimeThis really says a lot about society, unironically
>>155072024I was mostly just saying the Maxx was very visually unique, no way we’d get an action cartoon that looks like that from some millennial artist
Americunts care more about escapism than making shows look aesthetically pleasing
>>155072135Yeah, because David's style is too unique
>>155072002>"Erm akshally we got such a nice new animation trend, animation is BACK"
>>155072002It’s funny cause Japanese like the stuff on the left more, the shows on the left all have minor Japanese followings while they don’t like the shit on the right
>>155072002Then make a style that is more appealing than anime.And for the record, anime isn't uniform when it comes to designs anyway
If I remember correctly Batman TAS was also animated by numerous Japanese studios including good old Sunrise.
>>155072055He has a plan and it involves (You)!
>>155072002Aeon Flux, Gorillaz and Samurai Jack were all influenced by anime according to their creators. Batman was animated by an actual anime studio. The only one of the "then" shows that isn't obviously anime-influenced is The Maxx, which wasn't really an action show anyway.Sorry, but in the 80's when modern action cartoons were being born, Japan was out there making serialized stories with real stakes and character growth, and America was making "GI Joe shoots lasers at Cobra which all miss and then they retreat and a kid learns a lesson about fire safety and then we repeat the same plot 64 more times. And this is all animated at 1 FPS." No wonder anime lapped them and now dominates the medium. The west should have tried harder.
Kill east vs west faggots
>>155072002because obviously nobody gives a shit about the medium's "artistry" anymore. that's why the only people complaining about it are worthless randos (like you by the way, who has never and created & will never create anything of any artistic value. so maybe shut the fuck up?)
>>155073910>Aeon Flux, Gorillaz and Samurai Jack were all influenced by anime according to their creatorsOP literally said that you dumbfuck
>>155072002Hey, troons need entertainment too otherwise they would be all day here in this board talking about degenerate crap and digital circus
>155072733This is bait.
>>155073844>Then make a style that is more appealing than anime.Only the ancient Egyptians could have done this.>And for the record, anime isn't uniform when it comes to designs anywayIncorrect.
>>155072002some of them don't even feel like they're inspired by anime, but like they're inspired by cartoons inspired by anime. Kpop Demon Hunters especially feels a lot like 00s anime-inspired shows aimed for girls like Totally Spies or Winx Club.
>>155072851Stop liking bad shows. Pantheon bombed so hard its second season wasn't even legally released.
>>155075384Seethe
>>155075339Some of them just feel like they’re more inspired by Avatar than anime itself
>>155075339everything is anime inspired though
>>155075423No, subhuman
>>155073844>Then make a style that is more appealing than animeTons of people also saw Disney as the most visually appealing style, and as >>155072046mentioned, we all know where that shit went.Y’all need to study Preston Blair and learn that golden age cartooning is far more visually interesting than anime
>>155072002Action cartoons need to forget about anime for a second and go back to old-fashioned western comics.
>>155073823Japs deserve better western media to like, sucks how all western cartoons suck now and they consume garbage like modern disney films
I have funny talking animal fatigue.
>>155073823Netflixvania was getting some discussion among the JP fanbase and was generally well received up until Alucard got dicked and the issue for them was less the dicking and more that it wasn't Trevor's dick
I dread the day when Forgotten Island releases and gets a K-Pop Demon Hunters-tier following
>>155073910>Japan was out there making serialized stories with real stakes and character growtheh, live action did it first.
>>155073910>Sorry, but in the 80's when modern action cartoons were being born, Japan was out there making serialized stories with real stakes and character growth, and America was making "GI Joe shoots lasers at Cobra which all miss and then they retreat and a kid learns a lesson about fire safety and then we repeat the same plot 64 more times. And this is all animated at 1 FPS."Funnily enough a lot of those 80s cartoons were animated in Japan, and you can really tell because the quality jumps tremendously.
>>155079049Imagine being a jap having to animate some glorified toy commercial and thinking that’s what American culture is like.
>>155079635Grim.
>>155072002Left fits more into anime inspired art style than right.
>>155078930no
Most of the anime the shows on the right are inspired by are normie shit millennials grew up on like Dragon Ball Z or just copying Avatar. Superficial indeed.
>>155076736I vant to fuck your ass.
>>155078930doesn't count
>>155079635Anime at time was also propped up by merchandise and gouging their customers by releasing full-priced one-to-two episode home video releases.
>>155072002Blame it on U.S. S&P being a bunch censor-happy turds that killed everything fun about action shows yet turn a blind to gross-out dead baby comedy toons
>>155084040Yea man, it was S&P, that's why as soon as we got to streaming and the modern "indie renaissance" online space, cartoons suddenly became super amazing and fun and we got tons of great action shows and definitely not just autistic therapy shows, "my fursona works at the gas station," and "Steven Universe but with cursing."
>>155076559Then take a nap
>>155072002It's kinda obvious, Japanese stuff becomes popular, Western execs see it and want to copy it. It's cheaper and they can shit out a lot more.
>>155083036>normie shit millennials grew up on like Dragon Ball ZNone of those shows look like dragon ball or Naruto or any "normie" anime, retard.
Cartoons have been outsourcing to Japan for 6 decades. Rankin Bass is a prime exampleWhy do you think the younger Mrs Claus look like sex on Santa Claus is Comin' to Town
>>155084238Yea, most of these shows look more like generic seasonal fantasy anime that no one remembers after they finish airing, and not even the ones with a decent budget, but the shitty, cheap ones made by some junk studio like Satelight or MAHO Film.
>>155084259Japs didn't design shit
>>155084306Animating, you goiter
>>155084238My Adventures with Superman is chocked full of lame Dragon Ball homages
>>155084392Yeah but it doesn't look like dragon ball at all
>>155072046'Anime' style is actually the result of Disney style. Just look at how Astro Boy was designed.
>millennial artists love anime>Instead of learning important things from Japan like large scale composition they just insert "homages" and badly imitate what they think anime look likeWhy are they like this? I really don't get it. Random artists from Twitter draw and animate better than people working on the industry
>>155084040S&P didn't increase their restrictions, action cartoons on streaming are more violent than ever. It's a death of creativity plus cost cutting.
>>155084374Whichever country draws the 8-24 frames per second is irrelevant to the conversation.
>>155084627All boils down to clueless execs and pearlclutching harpies who haven't had sex in decades
>>155084627>>155084718>blaming execs for art directors choosing a bland art styleSure, this is the stuff that gets the green light but it's not as if we're seeing any great rejected cartoon pitches either.
>>155072086Looking at what's on TV today, the cartoons for 5 years old are unironically higher quality than the ones for 10 years old, as those are just full on constant race-mixing propaganda with ugly 3D.
>>155072046So, basically, this diet anime style is more or less as overused and homogenized as that 2010 beanmouth style, right? Many of those 2010's shows and pilots with that beanmouth style were indistinguishable from each other and pigeonholed several up and coming western animators into spamming the same art style for the sake of being cheap.>>155073910In defense of 80's action shows like GI Joe, having characters injured or killed during fights like in 80's TV anime (e.g. Dragonball, Macross, Fist of the North Star) would have been cool and raised the stakes a bit higher, but it wouldn't fly on American TV during that time period. Noticed how both GI Joe and Transformers opted for theatrical animated movies to dabble with that sort of stuff (that GI Joe movie had its theater run scrapped after those MLP and TF movies flopped, btw).>>155074412>>155075408>>155079049>>155084550This>>155075572Good idea, but I'd hope modern western take inspiration from those classic comics instead of lazily race swapping and/or gender swapping classic characters for the sake of some lame excuse (too many male characters, not diverse enough, how can I "improve" this).
>>155072002>Gorillaz>Anime inspiredok dude
>>155084909Optimus Prime's death scene made so many little kids genuinely upset that they pulled back on Duke's in GI Joe, announcing that he was going to make it at the end.
>>155084627>most action shows want celebrities these days too, so that's even less money for the animators and artists.Case in point: InvincibleThat shit’s animated like a Filmation cartoon cause the non-artists behind it care more about getting expensive celebrities to voice every character than animation quality and fans eat that shit up cause modern animation "fans" have been conditioned to think that animation quality isn’t important for a visual medium for some fucking reason.
>>155072002It's an executive thingIf Genndy worked with Netflix to make Primal they'd tell him to change his artstyle to be "more anime"
>>155084961Reminder that it's also animated by SEK Studio LMAO.
I saw a post yesterday that had two concerns1. That the current new generation of western artists for comics and cartoons have a disproportional amount of more reverence to manga and anime and this being focused in their influences and homages in their works2. That said creator's actually have a shallow understanding and appreciation for Japanese works and as a result they're all homogenous they've all seen and only seen the same things
>>155084970Netflix has no problem funding cartoons with interesting art styles, look at Edgerunners. The problem is entirely with the western animation industry.
>>155085018>look at Edgerunners.Anon, Edgerunners wasn't funded by Netflix, it was almost entirely funded by CDPR, who were originally going to release it on Youtube for free before Netflix stepped in and offered to license it for streaming.
>>155072002Aren’t two of them French?
>>155085027They announced the deal in 2020 and it was released in 2022, so they were quite happy to have a show that looked like that on their service.
>>155072002Is it just me or do modern anime-inspired shows have far worse color palettes.
>>155085095Laziness, incompetence, and sometimes literally political lighting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexual_lightingWe used to have 50% nepobabies and 50% talented people, now it's 50% nepos, 49% DEI and 1% talented.
>>155084909To add to my second point, character deaths in 80's western animated TV shows may have been quite uncommon and taboo, but I noticed a few rare examples of this or off screen deaths slipped into a few episodes of a specific shows from that time.>In a few episodes of GoBots, a few off screen deaths on minor characters were mentioned or implied in a few specific episodes (a robot corpse stuck on a spider web in Forced Alliance). A few other episodes had on screen deaths or implied deaths (Battle for GoBotron Part V, Invasion from the 21st Level, Lost on GoBotron).>In a season two episode of Inspector Gadget, Dr. Claw either mentioned or assumed that his mentor was deceased when devising a plan to recruit a veteran to kill Gadget. >In the Secret of the Spectral Sister episode of Mister T, Robin and Spike mentioned that their older sister Cathy had died in a plane crash 5 years earlier. In the Mystery of the Ancient Ancestor episode, Skye mentioned that her grandfather was accused for murdering some man in a small town 75 years ago.
>>155085294Ironically the final Super Friends season grew some balls while DC comics was doing Crisis on Infinite Earths.
>>155075572>>155075550Ngl it’ll be cool to see an action cartoon created by a cartoonist that utilizes golden age cartooning
>>155073823>the shows on the left all have minor Japanese followings while they don’t like the shit on the rightNigga I don’t see most of the diet anime on the right get popular ANYWHERE. Maybe it’s just cause I’m not in that many autistic cartoon circles anymore but the only diet anime from this decade I remember getting huge followings are shit like The Owl House, Invincible, and KPDH, I don’t see anybody talking about shit like My Adventures With Superman or Onyx Equinox or whatever except for hardcore fans, powerscalers, or action nerds.
>>155085725It’s because most people know that there’s no purpose of watching a worse version of anime when you can just watch anime, my advice: learn to appreciate the culture of western cartoons
>>155085524Isn't that kinda what the old Plastic Man comics were like?
>>155085725I genuinely only see most of these shows discussed on /co/.Cartoonfags all decided to retreat to their own personal Discord circlejerks, not realizing that Discord isn't a social media platform, so no one outside of cartoon circles really ends up hearing or caring about the shows that the cartoon "community" obsesses over, which is why everything ends up feeling so splintered and the only cartoons people give even an iota of a fuck about are the free ones that get lots of fanart.
>>155084961ngl I find the dragon animation appealing if only for the reason it reminds me of a similar technique done in couple of old Toei Doga films/shows (Flying Phantom Ship (webmrel), Galaxy Express 999 etc.)
>>155086307DC Nation had a series of nice-looking Plastic Man shortsI swear to fuck if they make a new plastic man cartoon and it’s in a diet anime artstyle I’m gonna riot
>>155072002In all honesty I kinda expected things to go full circle like this. Remember from the 40's to probably the early-mid 80's, more than half the anime being produced around that period looked largely like "diet cartoons"; some moreso than others. Hell, when I first saw a preview of picrel (Andersen Stories ('68)) as a kid on one of those old "DigiView" DVDs, I thought it was an old western cartoon, only to find out years later it was actually anime!
>>155072002Another problem with a lot of modern anime-inspired western cartoons is that they all cater towards specifically nerdy girls who watched anime in school and then later got into Tumblr.They don't cast a variety of nets to a variety of potential audiences, it's all just trying to get a very specific subculture. And that makes it all very same-y
>>155087618I've been noticing that as well. It reminds me of much of those 2010's and 2020's shows on CN, Nick, and Disney Channel. It's as if the showrunners are so content with targeting a niche audience and doubling down on the same homogenized art styles, they and the network execs and the industry itself are practically killing interest of western TV animation.
>>155087618Yea, I can't think of a single one of these "anime-inspired" shows that feels like it's aimed at a male audience besides maybe Castlevania, and that one feels more like it's aimed at the kind of guys who have a findom fetish.
>>155072002You do realize some of these are made by Asia studio artists right?
>>155076736That's a fair complaint, they want gay shit with relavent characters, not throwaway characters getting their favorites.
most art styles and culture died with the internet
>>155088295Close, the internet didn't kill culture, social media did.
>>155085014Can't believe I'm asking for a fucking twitter link but I wanna see this post if you still have itThis is something I've theorized for years because it's always the same shit that was on toonami or whatever yet I guarantee these people would shit bricks at anything edgier
>>155084921You’d have to be blind to not see the anime influence, retard
>>155085014"western artists" have a very limited creativity, i cant think in any western artist making Tokapi Original Sin, Kodomo no Kijan or My Clueless First Friend. The problem is zoomers think shows don't need to have plots anymore, just a basic premise of talking furries working in McDonals and living inside of a VR simulation is "enough" for western audiences
>>155087956*in>>155086369I get that Forgotten Island, Dragon Striker, and KPDH are fairly new, but I've only heard about those other shows on the right from lurking /co/. As for whether or not I would like these, uh...>MAWSI'm not in the market for yet another Superman show reboot, especially when I'm happy with Fleischer Superman and Superman TAS. Plus, I'm more irritated by radical and "reimagined" character designs these days, so this is an automatic hard pass.>Netflix CastlevaniaJFC, a very, very hard pass on both. These shows did more harm to the Castlevania series than Konami itself. Perhaps I judged Captain N's Simon Belmont too harshly.>Vox MachinaIt's way too Tumblr for my taste and I don't like its art style, which sucks because it could have piqued my interest if it weren't for those issues.>Onyx EquinoxAside from being a diet anime for Crunchyroll, it reminds me too much of a Mesoamerican take on The Legend of Korra. Its muted colors doesn't sucks and it looks uninteresting.>Dragon StrikerAt least its art style looks cool, but Odward and Casper is something I have no interest in watching.>Miraculous WorldProbably the most interesting out of the eight, but that's only because I like Miraculous. There's a chance I might be irritated by this, though.>Forgotten IslandNot my cup of tea, but I have no ill will towards it.>KPDHNot my cup of tea, either, but at least it had a better art style and reception than Elio.
>>155088896*Its muted colors suck
>>155088896>I like MiraculousBitch that show is shit, it’s the tumblriest/teenpanderingiest diet anime to ever exist and the creator is a fat autistic Andrew Dobson type. It’s unironically worse than Netflix Castlevania.
This may be one of the faggiest threads I've ever read. No one's even saying >go out and experience more to improve your stories!90% of this is just bitching about nothing of worth and old man yells at cloud
>>155087618>Another problem with a lot of modern anime-inspired western cartoons is that they all cater towards specifically nerdy girls who watched anime in school and then later got into Tumblr.>They don't cast a variety of nets to a variety of potential audiences, it's all just trying to get a very specific subculture. And that makes it all very same-yFunnily enough this is very reminiscent of Miyazaki, and other veteran's, lamentations regarding the modern anime industry. Two sides of the same coin, it seems.
>>155089360>They did background and secondary designs.Informative, but they were still adhering to the established art style.Examples of Japanese artists handling the entire art production of a cartoon written by Americans would be most of the segments in the Animatrx or Batman: Gotham Knight.
>>155084961Animation quality does matter and people do care, case in point the Greg Gotcha segments in Bullet/Bullet (see picture), which were allow to happen because of Disney money, allowing them to hire the best in the business such as Toshihiko Masuda, Kazuhide Tomonaga, Yoshinobu Michihata, Hisao Yokobori and Dan Haskett (who did the character designs to Greg Gotcha because Disney money) all because Bob Iger told Yoshiteru Tsujino who the head character designer to make to 90s TMS, as Tsujino got laid off from their Telecom division in 1988 due to Akira and Tsujino's original idea for Greg Gotcha was using all humans (which some of those designs were retooled for the main show) and mimicking Super Sentai/Kamin Rider, not 90s TMS which Bob Iger wanted.>>155085018Thats Netflix Japan which is 100% funded in yen, unrelated to the US branch.>>155085027Not the case.
>>155089520Theres also this as well.
>>155089705As well as this from Hayao Miyazaki himself.>"Illustration from the late 1800s up through the middle of the 20th century was absolutely amazing. In general, American culture was at its highest skill wise in every aspect of human life in the 1940s. It’s all been downhill since then. You just open an old magazine from the 1930s and ’40s and look at the illustrations in it. There’s nobody alive that could touch the way they could draw back then. In old movies, the cinematography is a thousand times better than anything today. Writing, a thousand times better. You buy any book on color theory today and it’s just complete poppycock. Everybody comes out of school painting pink, purple, and green. The whole damn cartoon industry has pink, purple, and green on their mind.">"Those are the colors of Cutie Honey. Most cartoons are those colors. They have been for many years. Until Cagliostro made that change. Cagliostro changed it, Toshihiko Masuda perfected it. And then there’s been some shows that have followed Masuda’s lead, like Tiny Toon Adventures which has absolutely beautiful color.">"If you’re a kid wanting to be a cartoonist today, and you’re looking at The Legend of Korra, you don’t have to aim very high. You can draw Korra when you’re 10 years old. You don’t have to get any better than that to become a professional cartoonist. The standards are extremely low. Same as in illustration. Not very many people can draw who are illustrators today, compared to the early 20th century."
>I most of the anime inspired shows on the right are inspired by are normie shit millennials grew up on everything would look Sazae-San and Chibi Maruko-Chan, shows that are just as simple looking as Family Guy and Bob's Burgers.>It's more of the Cal-Arts clique that only deals with Japanese geek culture and not the been mouth slop that plagues the most of Cal-Arts that took these projects because otherwise everything would look like Preston Blair's work for Tex Avery and Bob McKimson's work for Bob Clampett.
>>155084961I have a cousin who’s a massive capeshit consoomer and weeb that once said that Invincible is better than Batman: The Animated Series, western animation is in the best state it’s ever been because of "anime-inspired shows", and that Aeon Flux and Samurai Jack look "ugly", kek
>>155075572Friendly neighborhood spiderman does this taking inspiration from the look of classic comics.The sad thing is that they kept race swapping characters and the story is ass
>>155084909The Beanmouth art style is an anime ripoff style, just not as obvious. Instead of pulling from toonami Shonenshit, it pulls from Ghibli. It’s very obvious why THAT doesn’t really work well in TV due to lower budgets
>>155090608Not the case, also he was talking about The Great Piggy Bank Robbery, not Invincible as he said "western animation is in the best state it’s ever been because of Bob Clampett, and that The Rude Intruder and Bye Bye Blackboard look ugly, kek"
>>155090706But beanmouth was a thing in Shonenshit. Dragon Ball and Yu Yu Hakusho had it.
>>155090706>It’s very obvious why THAT doesn’t really work well in TV due to lower budgetsIt's doable. You just need the talent to do it as well. Something both sides of the industry have been struggling with in recent times.
>>155089520hot take: i like looking at Ghibli's concept sketches more than watching their films tbqh.
>>155088359https://x.com/Yusukesrevenge/status/2086498944939405566It was actually about comic writers but it's still applicable
>>155090608>capeshit consoomer and weebboth well known for their impeccable taste
>>155091445About that...See >>155090788 as >>155090608 is lying about the guy's tastes.
>>155072002>KDH>animeStop being retard son.
>>Western animation >>Either Family Guy/South Park/Rick & Morty clones>> or Psuedojapanimation that began with Totally Spies!
>>155075384Pantheon has limited normie appeal because it's plot and story is really high concept, if you don't already have at least a little exposure to scifi a lot is gonna go over your head. This is why media is so dumbed down, especially now when people have been brain damaged by short form media.
>>155091854Long, long holiday is my favorite Family Guy clone
>>155092200>THAT IS NOT A DRAWING!!!! THAT IS A SHITTY AI RENDER!!!!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING SKULL!!!!!Famicom, malding and seething.
>>155092200
>>155072002I don't get the EvW stuff. Anime and cartoons serve different purposes for me - I go for the former when I feel like watching a bit of animated drama and action, and the latter when I wanna wind down and have a bit of a laugh at something.
>>155087985>Yea, I can't think of a single one of these "anime-inspired" shows that feels like it's aimed at a male audience besides maybe Castlevania, and that one feels more like it's aimed at the kind of guys who have a findom fetish.The problem is that by now men and boys alike know that the western industry has become an anti-male estrogen factory, so once they move on from pre-school shit they instantly jump to shonen anime instead of watching emasculated western cartoons where no violence is allowed aside from crude shows like family guy.Furthermore, the last time a cartoon IP was a huge success with the male audiences were the late 00's with Ben 10. 15 years ago, after this we only got a few cartoons shows that are looked down upon by their male audience nowadays due to shit writing such as Adventure Time or Regular Show,
>>155074007/thread
>>155072002I don't know if you guys realize this yet, but anime won the culture war. That's what people want to see
>>155072002People tried doing different stuff and nobody watched it.
>>155094191Bad timing had alot to do with it, being a shoddy knock off of something much better is another.Greg Gotcha however worked wonders while it's source show didn't.
>>155072002fuck you dragon striker is good minus the gay shit
>>155073910And western animation are variants of Steve Universe. Weird see how every cartoon is a SU' spinoff with the exact smile, round face and color schemes.
>>155088985It’s an execution problem, a lot of people who watch it admit that.
>>155094994i don't think anybody has ever derived inspiration from crash canyon
>>155088985>Bitch that show is shit, it’s the tumblriest/teenpanderingiest diet anime to ever exist and the creator is a fat autistic Andrew Dobson type. It’s unironically worse than Netflix Castlevania.Bitch please. You say this as if Warren Ellis wasn't as autistic and shitty as Thomas Astruc. Miraculous is far from perfect, but Netflix Castlevania is the smelliest turd and the biggest disappointment out of the two. At least my expectations for Miraculous were fairly low to begin with since it wasn't based off a long-running video game franchise I enjoyed.
>>155089915You guys keep picking on him and he keeps coming back, Laura is living in your head rent free and running a second Macau in there. Stop taking the bait unless you have something worth to actually say about his posts.
>>155094191To be fair, not every show doing different stuff can click with the general audience. In some cases, that show was either too different for casuals or just ahead of its time. In other cases, that show was just plain bad because of its writing, characters, execution, etc.
>>155096150Also general audiences prefer Japanese and Korean stuff these days.
>>155072050I watched the shit out of this as a kid because the forest was a cooler setting than anything in any other movie I could think of
>>155096189or at the very least, stuff that seems inspired by those places. Kpop Demon Hunters, for example.
>>155072002Artistry in animates series and movies are pretty much dead. Arcane and Cameron's Avatars are rarest exceptions nowadays, having luxury of rather independent and well financed production. The rest is just a slop, in best case aesthetically pleasing like Nolan and Villeneuve movies, but lacking the soul put in it.
>>155072002You get faux-anime or beanmouth. That's it.
>>155091832Learn to read and spell, retard
>Arcane and Cameron's Avatars are rarest exceptions nowadays, having luxury of rather independent and well financed production.
>>155097387Arcane just looks like more Spiderverse-like slop, I fucking hate that style, Spiderverse was praised for being unique because of it and rather than it paving the way for more uniquely-stylized 3D animated films we instead just got shit copying what it’s doing. People learned the wrong lessons from that film.
>>155098023Maybe its just a me problem but these films give me a headache.
>>155090706>The Beanmouth art style is an anime ripoff styleOne mostly ripping off older 60s/70s anime, which in itself was mostly ripping off cartoons of the era.
>>155096189Depends. Films, live-action tv and literature are still largely western-dominated industries (with the occasional foreign hit like Squid Game), for better or worse. Mainstream music-wise, I guess there's Kpop, but that's just mostly western pop music produced by Koreans. Vidya? Lmao. Aside from maybe Nintendo, most people care about AA or indie stuff these days. Doesn't matter what country it originates from.
>>155091983.........
you talk as if 90% of modern anime is visually indistinguishable low budget isekai LN adaptations.
>>155098023haven't seen the rest but wild robot was pretty good
>>155091273Read the Nausicaa manga, is basically that.
>>155076513The Hellaverse shows are huge hits over there. They brought this upon themselves.
>>155099034>isn'tthe problem with western cartoons vs anime isn't the art style, it's the shit writing and censorship.
>>155098451It's you
Television is not the same as it was decades ago.Shit just sucks now.
>>155090706>>155098662I’d argue beanmouth actually comes from a variety of influences, in Flapjack, the proto-beanmouth show, the shows artstyle is very comparable to something like SpongeBob or Chowder, where the artstyle is cartoony, but in a "surreal"/"unconventional" kind of way, albeit a bit more simplistic than those two examples, and I feel like that shows alumni who went on to make more well-known calarts shows took after some of its stylistic elements. Pendleton Wards art always looked simplistic and doodley, even before he worked on Flapjack (his boards on that show looked like shit), and he has cited Studio Ghibli films as an inspiration to him while also mentioning how shows like The Simpsons, Dr. Katz, and Home Movies influenced him. For Alex Hirsch, Gravity Falls originally looked very different in its earliest Bridgette Barrager-drawn concept art, but I feel like Flapjack is what influenced him to go in a more simplistic direction visually, that and the fact that his whole beanmouth style he draws in is very clearly Simpsons-inspired.If you look at some of J.G. Quintels early concept artwork for Regular Show:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Z4otQLx0E&ra=mYou can see that much like Flapjack, his style was originally very SpongeBob/Chowder-adjacent.Rebecca Sugars artwork was indeed Ghibli-inspired, but another one of her big influences were Fleischer cartoons.Some additional early beanmouth shows have more varied influences, Gumballs whole style was heavily inspired by colorful street art, which is a lot more clear in its earlier seasons, and Fish Hooks, yet another early beanmouth show, also had a SpongeBob/Chowder/Flapjack-derived artstyle.
>>155099034Regardless, they must be doing something right over what we're doing, because the Japs do in fact dominate the animation/graphic novel industry nowadays, as said beforehand.
>>155084586>large scale compositionWatching more anime, especially older series, has made be realize how important this is.
>>155098023>Arcane just looks like more Spiderverse-like slopno it doesn't. colouring and shading, framerate, outlines are all different. and arcane has been in development before spiderverse was even releasedand no one pays attention to the peanuts movie for its stylehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQpUQPrAfQM
>>155099321Americunt animation "fans" these days care more about escapism than anything else. There’s a reason normie anime fans are retards are that consume moe shit and have dogshit taste like >>155090608Why else do you think shit like Hazbin Hotel, The Owl House, and K-Pop Demon Hunters blew up? Because they’re perfect escapist fantasies for teenage tumblrinas and faggots. I’m fairly certain a lot of these diet anime shows are made by people who care more about seeking escapism rather than putting in the effort to make something visually interesting or interesting at all.
>>155099561arcane has been developing its style since like 2013https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nlJuwO0GDs
>>155099619I'm not a fan of it myself either, but even I can't deny that influsing their distinct sense of craftsmanship with these otherwise banal premises has helped earn them their current spot as the industry's top dogs. Funnily enough this same sort of dichotomy is also why plenty of 80s cartoons are fondly remembered, which makes sense considering...
>>155100050infusing*Fuck. 'Influsing' still sounded funny, ngl
get used to it nigga
>>155101599God diet anime combined with the family guy ripoff/rigged adult cartoon artstyle is the most cancerous hybrid known to man.
>>155102262>>155101599But they are Korean-Americans.And there are lots of Chinese writing in walls in most scenes, why Korean-Americans read in chinese writing?
>>155072002None of "Faux / Diet anime" are adaptations of a comic or book, but most japanese animes are adaptations of mangas and books.Audiences not want invest time in a unfinished story of 8 episodes that go nowhere.
>>155072002Western animation needs to go away.
>>155073910>character growthNot quite, but it had more bite and daring that American shows would allow.
>>155073910In 92, all Mexican kids got to watch this.https://youtu.be/9_SFe9zEsJQ?si=QvKtpke8fSYNaQC3https://youtu.be/1VpJipPXLwE?si=iUOjaMgkIbVX-kSrIn 93 and 94, American action shows could not show punches hitting without a damn hit flash, Power Rangers was live action but they added clank sound effects to the punches and they were goofy looking botargas anyways, the problem was the FCC.
>>155104299What if they made a new season of the flintstones or looney tunes?
>>155105296https://youtu.be/oVes4c5GVeQ?si=7GgPKTzfSJPoJcR3
these threads are always funny because it's really just jealous fags that are too autistic to get their epic original idea off the ground
>>155085725>Invincible>diet anime you retards will really see any cartoon that doesn't look like family guy, beanmouth, upa revival slop and think it's trying to be anime
>>155105389>upa revival slopThat’s good stuff no matter how much you deny it
>>155105389isnt it a dragonball z ripoff, not look wise but story wise at least that's until the multiverse bullshit and then i stopped watching it because it was ass
>>155105416Still wrong
>>155105425Idk it was shit so i try to remember as less of it as possible, fuck people calling everything new the thing of the year
>>155105318Idk about you but id rather watch the flintstones than adventures of queer scissor magic and kids show for corn syrup eating retarded children
>>155105473>adventures of queer scissor magic and kids show for corn syrup eating retarded childrenHoly mindbreak
>>155105389Y'know that reminds of a thought I've been having for a while.The real reason why cartoons are becoming more like anime isn't necessarily because of millennial nostalgia and autism (though that a part of it) but because they are slowly adopting the production and work flow of the anime industry.It's why you get these semi anime style shows, not just because it's a popular style, but because it very easy to make. which is why they also look very flat as well
>>155105389man, how can you not see it? Invisible is mostly animated by asians and is clearly inspired by anime when it comes to its animationthis is why I hate normalising anime ripoffs. It ends up as a massive revisionism
>>155105585No, it’s just that North Koreans are cheap assess
>>155105511Why don't they just adopt the workflow of an anime that doesn't look like shit?Why does it always have to be the cheapest, flattest look possible?
>>155105597look up the actual animators. they are mostly asians and north koreans aren't even listed
>>155105511>The real reason why cartoons are becoming more like anime isn't necessarily because of millennial nostalgia and autism (though that a part of it) but because they are slowly adopting the production and work flow of the anime industry.I was saying this beforeWestern animation should be adopting the same techniques the japanese do. Not every show needs to be this disney renaissance style of animation where everything must be moving and every expression needs to be smooth bullshit.It's cheaper and its not even unique to japan. Old cartoons like he-man did this exact thing where you had really detailed characters but animated very sparsely. The problem today is that they need to stop using the same 3 studios and hire different fucking artists instead of phil bourassa all the time
>>155105617>Why does it always have to be the cheapest, flattest look possible?Same reason why a lot of anime today is the same. No money and no good art direction.>>155105661Yeah that's more of the heart of the problem.Because I'm fine with animation that isn't up to that quality. Hell I love it in most case. As long as it uses it resourcefully and creatively.Most studio just decide to copy something else (and the same thing at that) instead finding a uniquely western way of animating with those kinds of limitations (and when they do it's just fuckin spongebob again)
And the constant use of diet anime op pics
>>155105501Fuck the modern audience of seedless bananas, red 40, and Oreo milkshakes that make your nuts flaccid! I want a real American show! with real American characters and real American action-adventure, NO CHINGCHONG AND HER LAOTIAN GRANDMA , NO REYSHAWN AND HIS GRAFFITI BASKETBALL HOOP SHOTS, AND NO TWINKLE TOE PANSY SHOWS, AND I WANT IT NOW!
>>155105661>Old cartoons like he-man did this exact thing where you had really detailed characters but animated very sparsely.I get where you’re coming from but come the fuck on He-Man looked like shit, Invincible has the same cheap ass artistic sensibilities as Filmation and also looks like shit, looks even worse than any other diet anime/actionslop cartoon>>155084961Cartoons should be a little more lively than that
>>155106003Seethe, lol>>155106196You got it wrong
what caused this though? even in anime, the detail heavily degraded during the 2000s.
>>155106310western animation students are taught to simplify to the point it becomes a detriment it's why when they try to mimic anime in these shows they always have blocky hair with no detail, no sense of form in the clothing and shading has no sense of form either as for anime, the movement to digi paint i guess even then, anime is still fairly detailed and doesn't suffer from the problems the western faux anime have
>>155106310Digital tools and internet made suits think cutting people hours expenses was the same thing as saving time
>>155099086The problem can traced back to the Hays Code (not helped by Jim Crow backing it up) which encouraged future bluenose asininity like the FCC and the ACT.
>>155102660Maybe they’re not? Their surname is probably “Dang” (or in Mandarin, “Deng”, as in Deng Xiaoping).
>>155106401>students are taught to simplifyIn all fairness, that's common animation knowledge. When you're gonna draw the same subject for hundreds if not thousands of frames, it helps that it's at least easy enough for you to draw from as many angles as your skill allows. Even all those detailed anime cuts usually work out of either basic forms or pretty rough undersketches.All that said, most modern western animation rarely has any cuts done by the domestic production crew themselves afaik, so...
>>155072046What corporate styles are there in the West?>Dinesy/Pixar Corporate>CalArts/Beanmouth Corporate>Google Ad Corporate>Family Guy Corporate>Rick and Morty Corporate>Fake Anime CorporateAm I missing any others?
>>155101599Korea shouldve stay away from America
>>155106310Probably the effort vs cost and end goal. Those animation slaves in Japan and Korea realize that as long as the quality doesnt drop to abysmal, they can lower the quality by a few, metaphorically speaking of course. They make most things bad to save up on the fight scene that will probably not even be worth it.
>>155104928Could you please stop posting Shit Seiya on /co/?
>>155108917>Spumco Rip-off It was a thing in the 2000s
>>155108917>>155109053>UPA/60's H-B ripoffs>Looney Tunes ripoffs>Filmation ripoffs>Bruce Timm/DCAU ripoffs>Gumby ripoffs
>>155109295Almost forgot one more:>Rocky & Bullwinkle ripoffs
>>155072002
>>155109359
>>155109364>>155109359Secret of NIMH really was one of those works befitting the term "passion project" as it looks/moves SO FUCKING GOOD!; this is especially surprising considering the limited resources and budget Bluth and co. were working with.
>>155091927Pantheon made attempts at high sci fi concepts but landed only extremely shallow and lame takes on those. High sci-fi concepts never got in the way of normie popularity for ST:TNG, The Twilight Zone, The Outer Limits, Mr Robot or Black Mirror. Those remembered that it's not enough to just take a high concept - you have to do something cool with it. While Pantheon is very much the Westworld of animated sci fi - high concept, serious tone and massive ambition that makes a good promise that is never delivered on as the show gets consumed by the twin black holes of retarded theme utilization (boiling down to le raysizm in both cases) and bad character drama, leaving only peak pseuds worshiping the shows' corpses as hidden gems. Pantheon's ending is among the most cringe shit I ever saw.
>>155106003>HINGCHONG AND HER LAOTIAN GRANDMA>REYSHAWN AND HIS GRAFFITI BASKETBALL HOOP SHOTS>TWINKLE TOE PANSYAnon that's what real American characters are ATM.
>>155109486>WestworldWatch the og 70's film instead. It's essentially Jurassic Park 0.
>>155109493>AmericanYou just reminded me that Europe still has some gems here and there - sometimes for TV but especially their movies.
>>155101599Ugh it's so ugly, let me guess the screenshot this show is from is about quirky roommates living in a city and they act like millennials? >>155102742Dragon Strikers is so good, I'm surprised Disney allowed it to be made, they usually stick to the shitty California style. >>155109053There's a Ren and Stimpy knockoff from China that came out in the 2000s. https://youtu.be/6eLGX70eL3A?si=MGvLlfoHr56_402r
>>155084961>>155106196Even ignoring the bad animation quality Invincibles artstyle is just bland, it’s not stylized enough to be that anime-like and instead feels more like "diet realism", it feels like the bare minimum of what an action artstyle should be. Unlike action cartoons of the past like Batman: TAS or Samurai Jack it’s not visually interesting in the slightest. Don’t understand why so many people praised it visuals even during the first season which was before the animation got even worse.
>>155110125Because its somewhat aesthetially pleasing. Thats what matters for most people in a visual medium. The problem is that many professional dont care about that and seem more interested into making something that conform to some textbook/industry standard (Calart or whatever) ideals instead of what the public actually wants, and cover themselves with elitists rethoric as a deflection mechanism for their failures.
>>155109394What if animation quality isn't dependent on the quantity of money involved but rather the quality of the people involved?
>>155072030Thats because nobody remembers it exists.
The problem is that many of the veterans from cartoons and anime are getting old. It's why the latter in modern day feels soulless though kudos to Science Saru for revisiting GITS's roots. The same goes for Paul Rudish when was doing Mickey Mouse
>>155072002It's because we want this. Look at avatarfags like this using offtopic anime as their reaction image >>155095871They want all of western cartoons to be anime. There's a demand for it
>>155109594It's meh.
Why are you telling me Dragon Strikers is good? Not even five seconds ago you were telling me watching it would be punishable by death!
>>155072002In your examples of "Anime-inspired cartoons", every woman always wear pants. Meanwhile in japanese anime women wear skirts for see her legs and underwear.
>>155112623skirts are for trannies and women with no hips
>>155072002Part of the reason why Western "Fauxinme" fails is that its too afraid to for its characters to not be cool or attractive. Meanwhile real anime fully embraces its freaks, there are cool and attractive characters, but they balance out with the inclusion of the weirdos, and even sometimes the cool characters are allowed to silly or wacky every now and again
>>155113166>Part of the reason why Western "Fauxinme" fails is that its too afraid to for its characters to not be cool or attractive.you don't watch a lot of anime also the pick you chose is a poor example of your point
>>155113239Contrary to what the internet has you believe, not a lot of people find lions, owls, or living mop buckets attractive>you don't watch a lot of animeI guarantee I've seen more this month than you've seen in your entire life
>>155072002It's what happened when you grew up watching anime but didn't have the technical expertise into making anime like japs, chinks, gooks or even vietnamese through grueling sweatshop working session. And I honestly don't know either because most of these cartoons were made by sweatshop asian workers so what's stopping them from adapting the correct anime aesthetics like the other sweatshop factory? Poor art direction?
>>155110571Yep. Doremi had its run in the early 2020s, we need some Hamtaro to balance it out. https://archive.org/details/hamtarocompleteHopefully some autist will make fansubs that are easily accessible. https://archive.org/details/hamtaro_completeAfter all she is the unofficial queen of /co/ Also autists love cute stuff, that's why Mouthwash Madness is popular, it has a lot of fanart.
>>155113326>Poor art direction?yesthey keep hiring the same studios like studio mir and the same artists like phil bourassa and not letting new artists inbecause there are tons of non-japanese artists who can do an authentic anime style
>>155113816Stfu
>>155113816Based.
>>155105661>>155084040>>155113326>>155114374You faggots are missing OPs point that most modern anime-inspired shows take visual influence from only anime and nothing else, artists don’t have stylistic range anymore like they should, stuff like that is how you form cool and unique artstyles, like don’t just study anime, study classic cartoons, classic comics, study what makes those artstyles so appealing and form something interesting out of it.Maybe watching more than just anime would also improve your storytelling.
>>155114578western art sucksthe women are ugly and man faced and they're incapable of drawing attractive men toono one wants to study classic western art, they want to make animeanime has better story telling than any thing western because western writers can't wrote anything that isn't copying from live action slop
>>155114460WORDFILTER
I wish they'd take inspiration from visually interesting shows. Soultaker has a fairly mediocre scriot and plot but the direction is so good it makes the whole thing worth watching.
>>155114791
>forgotten island>diet animeit looks like the same ugly Dreamworks slop they've been making for 20 yearseven the furry clearly a western-style anthro character
>>155114791Midwit weebs who think that ugly equals bad art or aesthetically unappealing should neck themselves, Gorillaz, The Maxx, and Aeon Flux are all "ugly" and some of the coolest looking western cartoons there are.
>>155112623>how do we do a low angle without looking like a pervshot?>just be classy and be careful with the angle?>2000s anime onwards>NAH, lets just do impossible legs with no crotch or ass trickYU-GI-OH ZEXXAL did that trick all the time and it look FUCKING awful.
>>155115471Real men just show the girl's panties instead of dancing around it like fags.
>>155114791>anime has better story telling than any thing westernHope you're only referring to cartoons on that end cause holy fuck dude...
>>155115566>darkened shotpussies
>>155115297You are ugly
>>155114578 #Hey shit4brains, maybe pitch some ideas instead of being a cunt
>>155072002You see every Diet Anime is always comedy. Golden Axe with the plot of Smiling Friends? who want this trash?
>>155119550>plot of Smiling FriendsIt’s more Rick & Morty-styled humor, every unfunny millennial/reddit/meta-humor adult cartoon is derived from R&M
>>155119550At least Tyris isn't an orangutan shethang
>>155084909>In defense of 80's action shows like GI Joe, having characters injured or killed during fights like in 80's TV anime (e.g. Dragonball, Macross, Fist of the North Star) would have been cool and raised the stakes a bit higher, but it wouldn't fly on American TV during that time period. Noticed how both GI Joe and Transformers opted for theatrical animated movies to dabble with that sort of stuff (that GI Joe movie had its theater run scrapped after those MLP and TF movies flopped, btw).The movie got an obvious bad edit when one of the characters was supposed to die from a bloody injury, supposedly the same team who did the HnK 86 animated movie did that.
>>155084909stagin, whats that?
>>155114791Anime is hitting diminishing returns too. With the veterans feeling their age, and the current stuff being isekai tensei
>>155114389>>155113096Gtfo, Deflecting toon
>>155106232Go to bed lol.
>>155120213>Nu-Ducktales
>>155108917>>Rick and Morty>CalArts/BeanmouthThese are the same thing.
>>155120213Tons of cartoons in the 90’s like Ren & Stimpy and golden age SpongeBob had more dynamic staging, makes sense since cartoons from that decade actually knew about golden age principles.
>>155121487nah not really. there are shows that are clearly ripping off rick and morty like Hoops, while rick and morty itself doesn't really look much like anything that came before it
>>155072002All of these are highly satanic because they were made under the influence of the sun demon Amaterasu.
>>155072002They can't draw sexy animal girls. They give them gay cat ear tail accessories and call it a day. I hate this cringe shit so much.
>>155121947Why are you looking for Satan when you should be looking for Jesus?
>>1551052961. It would just be a repeat of what happened in the 80's and 90's. Older series like Flintstones, Looney Tunes, Tom & Jerry, Scooby-Doo, Woody Woodpecker, and Dennis the Menace were STILL on the air in some form as newer shows were produced.2. After what happened with reboots like 2016 PPG, nuAnimaniacs, Velma, nuTiny Toons, nuShe-Ra, and Jellystone, the last thing Flintstones need are modern showrunners ruining it by trying to "fix" it modern sensibilities. Plus, modern Looney Tunes has already been screwed over by Warner Bros' mismanagement.>>155104299Animated movies for theaters will likely survive, but it wouldn't surprise me to see TV animated shows either die off like Saturday morning lineups or become near-extinct like 30-minute commercials.
>>155121947Kys
>>155121942I firmly believe that Rick & Morty damaged adult animated artstyles more than Family Guy did.
>>155121893Then why did they lost it?
>>155120213Not everything needs to be a German expressionist dutch angle
>>155122344That ad aged like yak milk and under an August sun
>>155124074I feel like animation going digital and having cheaper budgets is why.
>>155124125So did ANIMU and it only got awful and bleachy looking starting the late 2000s
>>155120213Let me guess.>Left (barring that one HB show)>Animator: B-b-but, network execs imposed strict budgets and deadlines on us poor, underpaid, overworked animators. And to be fair, schools stopped teaching us about staging because of "industry demands." #AnimationIsTooHard>Right>Animator: Even with our budgets and deadlines, we can still employ to use of golden age principles because they'll make for some good dynamic shots.Many such cases.
Counter argument to all of you faggot troons still debating this gay shit. Grow the fuck up and pay your bills bitches.
>>155124121Exactly>Universal effectively demoted Woody Woodpecker and replaced him with Despicable Me's Minions, but at least he got that live-action movie in 2017 and some new shorts on YouTube in 2018.>Dennis the Menace's last live-action adaptation was a direct-to-video movie in 2007 and his last animated adaptation was a TV movie in 2002>The Flintstones has had new shows and movies over the years, but the series' relevancy isn't what it once was. At least Fruity Pebbles and Flintstones Vitamins are still in production.>The Program Exchange folded in 2016.>Unironically, TMNT continues to get new comics shows, movies, and toys.
>>155124101True, but not everything needs barebones staging, either.
>>155124447Kys, projecting troon
>>155124787I called you a troon first, so you're clearly a troon. Go cry about it on reddit. YWNBAW.
>>155124820Nice seething, projecting soifag, you lost
>>155124831YWNBAW
>>155124845Still you
>>155124831YWNBAWYWNBAW
>>155124849YWNBAW
>>155124861>>155124872>meltie Lol, tranny
>>155124849YWNBAWYWNBAWYWNBAW
>>155124880>NO UI accept your concession underage troon zoomer tourist
>>155124447Brown hands typed this post
>My post got nuked because calling out ghost reply behavior, especially Famicom, is forbidden against board rules>This random spam wave of tranny samefags happens 2 days later
>>155124899Fag
>>155124965Welcome to dead internet Theory.
>>155120213>3 perv shots on the right
>>155125660There should be more, perv shots are based.
>>155072030That's because people don't actually watch good shows.
>>155125724Nah in many shows it usually framed as a "Kya you pervert! I hate you fuck context! (bitchslap, punch, idiotic uppercut through the air Rumiko Takahashi gag), gag me with the slop.It's like they just don't want people to enjoy shit cause Japs have a culture of shame in the worst possible sense, (why do you think they always depict female orgasms as a form of shame and rape, tears and all), I guess they never heard of happy nudity or happy sex.
>>155125784Is this another one of those schizos I keep hearing about on this board?Because this seems like a schizo post.
Bump
>>155125800No. These are >>155124887>>155124880>>155124899>>155124872>>155124861>>155124845
>>155126608I’m not
