>"If the premise of the show is, ‘only one of these guys can have the ring,’ as a fan watching it without being someone who was making it, I would be like, ‘They’re going to find a way to have two rings, or there’s going to be a big hug at the end and Hal’s going to say he’s going to retire to Florida.’ But every time we talked about that, we were like, ‘Hal Jordan ain’t retiring to Florida.’”>"We are willing to acknowledge that a lot of people are going to be angry, that if we were watching this and not making it, that we too would be saying, 'I waited this long for another live-action version of Hal, having not gotten him since the Ryan Reynolds film, and then basically 50 minutes after getting me to fall in love with Kyle Chandler, you're killing him off? Fuck you.'">"It infuses the entire story with a lot of emotionality, especially if the audience understands that John and Hal were not in a good place at the time that Hal died. Traditionally, in comic books, these characters can't die. But if we're doing something that's supposed to be grounded, this is something that we have to do.">"Our feeling is, let's see how you feel at the end of Episode 8, and if you still feel like it was exploitative or unnecessary, or that it wasn't exactly what had to happen in order for this story to get told, then we deserve it," Lindelof added. "But I think we're willing to absorb the boos from the audience in the first inning, as long as we still have a shot at winning the game."https://collider.com/lanterns-episode-1-premiere-twist-hal-jordan-dies-damon-lindelof-tom-king/Doesn't sound like it's a fakeout, bros.
>ruined DCU Green Lantern>ruined the HBO Watchmen show>ruined Star Trek Into Darkness>ruined LostThis man is a fucking menace, Jesus Christ.
>>155094133>If the premise of the show is, ‘only one of these guys can have the ring,’You didn't have to make that the premise. Nobody wanted or expected that from Green fucking lantern of all things.
>>155094133>>"If the premise of the show is, ‘only one of these guys can have the ring,’Why would they even start with that premise? Of course this show was made by that hack Lindelof.
>>155094242>>155094262yeah, niggas forces an arbitrary premise and acting as if the decision was just a natural conclusion. NIGGA YOU MADE THE SANDWICH
>>155094133Trust in the leaks reporting rewrites/reshoots, anon. Hal's coming back and the signs are there:>the episode makes a point of establishing that multiple alien species can impersonate humans down to their DNA>Hal is wearing the EXACT SAME OUTFIT from ten years prior>The start of the episode emphasizes how Hal has worn the ring for so long that it has a mark on his finger, while the dead Hal on the bench lacks a mark on his finger
>>155094176How does this retard still get work? At some point the damage he does and the reputation he has should be bad enough that studio heads will tell him to get the fuck out.>>155094242>>155094262>>155094299I'm reading this as Lindelof not being able to imagine Hal ever accepting Jon as his successor, probably because he needs his race baity bullshit even if it's at the cost of characters from a series he cares so little about that he wouldn't even use its proper name.
>>155094387>Trust in the leaks reporting rewrites/reshoots, anon.Stop shilling for your LARP, faggot.
>>155094133>But if we're doing something that's supposed to be groundedI fucking hate this trend and I hate Nolan for popularizing it. It's absurd. It strips all of what makes a fantastical story unique and reduces it to bland boring nonsense. Just write a different show if you don't want to write about intergalactic space police fighting alien warlords.>>155094133>"Our feeling is, let's see how you feel at the end of Episode 8This is the same logic that made me stop buying monthlies. There was nothing I hated more than buying a mediocre issue for a miniseries, expecting the ending would pay off, only to discover the complete story was shit and I wasted $20 to $40.
>>155094389Damon keeps getting work because he turns his stuff in on time and he isn't an insufferable dickhead to his bosses or his peers, he's just an insufferable dickhead to fans. It's the same situation behind Rian Johnson or Zack Snyder constantly getting work. The suits don't really care if your shit makes money or is loved by fans, they care about everything being done on a timely basis and you being polite and agreeable towards them so they don't have to stress out too much.The reason(s) why you don't see writers of higher quality getting jobs has to do with the brain drain that the industry has been plagued with for decades as well as how socio-economic circumstances mean only rich kids can afford to be writers, nevermind how superior writers lack the social graces to play nice with their bosses and the work ethic to turn their shit in on time.Max Landis didn't get blacklisted in Hollywood for being a creep and an abusive boyfriend because if that were just the case, he would have got canned long ago. His privilege and status protected him from losing his career but eventually that goodwill runs out when you aren't able to work professionally with other people or turn your work in on time. It's why Jonah Hill stopped getting work too: he's never done anything that's seriously crossed the line, but he's an asshole and nobody wants to work with an asshole.
The truth is that the show we're getting is the result of several rewrites.Zack Snyder envisioned a Green Lantern Corps as basically Lethal Weapon in space, with Hal as the wild, reckless one haunted by a traumatic past, and John as the by-the-books rookie carrying a chip on his shoulder.We missed out on that because Snyder wanted it to be a movie, and the WB executives were still hesitant about greenlighting a high-budget Green Lantern film.The script was revamped into a series by Greg Berlanti under Walter Hamada, with the story spanning multiple timelines, delving into the history of the human Green Lanterns, with a spotlight on the original Green Lantern, Alan Scott, alongside Guy Gardner, Jessica Cruz, and more. The central mystery kicks off with the shocking assassination of Alan Scott. While flashbacks keep Alan present in earlier timelines, the focus in the later ones is unraveling the question of who killed him. Think Watchmen, but with Green Lanterns.It didn’t happen because there was already plenty of space, aliens, and big battles, and the execs were worried about spending too much on a Green Lantern show. That’s when the idea of making it more grounded, like a True Detective-style series, started floating around among WB execs. Berlanti then decided to just scrap the show altogether.This brings us to the current version of the show, where WB execs brought in the HBO Watchmen showrunner and combined the two scripts I mentioned. You’ve got Hal and John as buddy cops, a timeline-jumping mystery, and the assassination of a beloved hero to kick things off. Only this time, the hero is Hal, not Alan.
>>155094501>It's the same situation behind Rian Johnson or Zack Snyder constantly getting work.Zack Snyder is constantly butting heads with the bosses.
>>155094133The BTS featurette already spoiled that Hal is alive in the 2026 timeline, he was just playing a prank on Jon and hanging out at a Denny's the entire time
>>155094545He's the hologram there.
>>"If the premise of the show is, ‘only one of these guys can have the ring,’Impressive, you've already failed.
>>155094501You can look at a sorta-similar situation with Chris Columbus for what I mean by social graces. He was on track to direct the 2000s Fantastic Four movie and by all means, he should have gotten the position: people like working with him and he turns his stuff in on time.But he didn't get it because the culture of Hollywood at the time was "directors shouldn't be a fan of the source material" (which is code for "we want a director who will do what we want which is to appeal to people unfamiliar with the IP") and he kept vocalizing that he WAS a fan and would fight the execs to ensure comic accuracy, which was a big no-no. Tim Story ended up getting the role because he wasn't a big comics guy (at first) and directed nothing but dramas previously.
Have Jon and Hal ever fought over a ring? I don't mean butting heads or something like literally a set up where only one can be GL.
>>155094577>the culture of Hollywood at the time was "directors shouldn't be a fan of the source material"Isn't that still the culture? Look at all these adaptions like Neflix Castlevania or Devil May Cry or the Resident Evil show or whatever
>>155094176>>155094262Is this guy basically the /tv/ version of Bendis?
>>155094644At least some people like Bendis's polarizing dialogue.
>>155094635Sorta. Now the expectation is "grab a director who CLAIMS to be a fan without checking to see if they actually know what they're talking about...and regardless, still meddle with their vision to hell and back". The only reason why things shifted is because companies were banking on general audiences from both America and overseas, then shifted to getting Chinabux while also trying to adapt to social media being a major influence in movies having large drop offs after the first week's showing.In all fairness, way too many fans will go "yes sirree, I totally believe you're a passionate fan of the comics because you said so" to whatever showrunner or director says on social media. This is how we're stuck with Feige and Gunn because we all collectively went "well, at least they're not like Sony or Fox!" only to get stuck with something worse than a normie in charge of geek adaptations: a fan who wants to push THEIR fanfic (at the cost of damaging the source material's perception like Josh from Eltingville) that prefers comics made from the 2000s onwards
>>155094133Fuck you Lindeloff. You didn't want to do a GL show
I remember people complaining about Hal fans and I thought it was just the other gls fans being jealous of Hal being the best. I finally realized why they are hated.
>>155094551hologram was from 2006 and hadn't gone gray yet.
So if there's only one ring that means that John loses his at some point to Guy Gardner, doesn't it?
>>155094837Yes, that's exactly it. Tom King gave an interview basically confirming that Earth can only have one Green Lantern, and the ring ended up going to another bland White guy instead of John Stewart, despite all the effort he put in. So now John has to deal with being passed over just for being… well, you know. At least, that’s the story they seem to be pushing.
>>155094501Zack Snyder dosent make a buck for a while.
>>155094133>Our feeling is, let's see how you feel at the end of Episode 8Mighty fucking bold of them to think most people would get past episode 1, after pulling that bullshit.
>>155094865Oh, how unfortunate that the GL corps doesn't hire using affirmative action DEI BRIDGE practices.
>>155094590No, Hal John and Guy all got their own rings when they became lanterns. The closet to the show's concept was Hal taking Guy's ring after he lost a fight with him
Yes.Say stupid shit and give me even more of a reason to never watch this show.Retarded ass fucking faggot.
>>155094262>Why would they even start with that premise? That is literally how it worked in the comics until they started expanding the Earth Lantern cast with John, Guy, Kyle, etc.
>>155094449>strips all of what makes a fantastical story unique and reduces it to bland boring nonsense.Hey remember how well that worked in 2011? When it fucking flopped?
>>155094501Oh yeah, anon, suits dont care about money. Sure. Lol
>>155094501I like how you pretend every great writer in history was Paddy Chayefsky type FUCK YOU I DO IT MY WAY renegade when that’s not true at all.It’s especially funny because you’re writing this wall of text due to seething over Lindelof killing off a character because it’s his creative vision instead of, you know. compromising his vision and pandering to the whims of thin skinned fanboys like you.
>>155094964The GLV literally hires people based on who is closest, not who is the best candidate. But all my means, keep being a racist dipshit
Oh noooo the most boring GL is dead, how will the franchise survive with like three dozen other Lanterns to choose from, all of which are more interesting than Bland Jordan.
>>155096295>Oh noooo the most boring GL is dead,but john's alive and it can't be baz since he hasn't been introduced
>lindlof and Tom King on my favorite characterFuck this
>>155094644>Is this guy basically the /tv/ version of Bendis?bendis? the comics writer? that bendis?the answer is no, because bendis only has verbal tics, while lindelof cannot write a coherent story
>>155094529Arrow had its flaws but berlantis gl sounds great
>>155094133>OH FUCK WE CAN ONLY HAVE ONE LANTERN IN OUR SHOW CALLED LANTERNSclassic lindelof
>hal has to train his potential replacement Literally not how the rings/corps work
>>155094176Well, we all know what he is.
>>155094865Damn that's crazy.
>>155094590>>155095359I think the rule tends to be no more than two per sector but I haven't read the more recent stuff. I remember when Geoff Johns was writing the story was Hal and Jon were assigned to Sector 2814 but Kyle and Guy were honor guard assigned to Oa.
>>155094133>only one of these guys can have the ringCan't they just... timeshare the ring, or something? Each is the Lantern for 12 hours, which gives them 12 hours off duty to eat breakfast, sleep, shower, etc.
>>155096848Honestly, not a bad idea. The Lanterns always seem a bit overtaxed, feels like it might make some sense to have proper shifts. Fuck, it could even be used to cover why there's almost 10 fucking lanterns on Earth. We just see the stories where everyone has to be on duty as once and something something they can all use their rings at the same time because something something.
>>155094133>kill off your whote GL to focus the show on the black GL exclusivelyI'm not much of a culture warrior but this still stings. I wonder when we can exit this era of forced diversity for the sake of it
>>155094133I love Hollywood writers are trolls who want to anger fans of the source material as much as possible.
>>155094449>Just write a different show if you don't want to write about intergalactic space police fighting alien warlords.Fucking this. I'm sick of them going out of their way to ground inherently fantastical characters when they should be putting the work into making already grounded characters appeal to the general public. We could've had a decent Question or Martian Manhunter series ages ago if these executives got their heads out of their asses.>>155096170The movie flopping had nothing to do with the fantastical elements, and everything to do with being written like a romcom outside of the superhero elements.
>>155094133>>"If the premise of the show is, ‘only one of these guys can have the ring,’Oh yeah, Green Lantern is like the Highlander, there can only be one.
>>155096406Literally addressed within the show. 80s Jordan points out that they don't have trainees and 96 Jordan thinks that there's something suspect going on with the entire situation re: the structure with Abin Sur's presence on earth and death both being extremely conspicuous.
>>155097149When you stop doing white DEI
>>155094133>>"If the premise of the show is, ‘only one of these guys can have the ring,’Nigga, I don't even like Hal, but what the FUCK are you on about?
>>155094176HBO watchmen was good tho.
I love how dude undermines his entire argument with the very first sentence being the wrongest thing ever. ... I just want a superhero police procedural in space. Why is that SO fucking hard for these idiots to just do?
>>155097903You can't tell important socially conscious stories within scifi, idiot.
It’s amazing how many morons here are crying that the corps exists when for a very long time you only had one lantern per sector as a rule. And other lanterns don’t normally come to your sector.
>>155097903Nobody cares what one loudmouth on the internet thinks, especially when he pirates everything.
>>155097908>obligatory racism towards outer world species>Manhunters are an allegory for drones>Alpha Lanterns a stand in for the Feds>Guardians allow wealthy criminals to go free>Sinestro turns off the body camIt's all right there, man.
>>155097863Thought the same. There's so many green lanterns from earth alone. No one would care.
Who fucking cares that a Hal with 20 minutes of screen time died in what we always knew was a John Stewart show?Is it just racism?
>>155097972>Who fucking cares beloved white character gets humiliated and killed off nonchalantly
>>155098007>You don't understand, he's white!So yes it's just racismGood to know
The only thing I want from the show is when they inevitably show alien lanterns they do cool things with the costumes instead fo just black and green spandex.
I hated the Geoff Johns Hal Jordan wank (I don't think Hal should be THE Green Lantern, all of them should be treated more or less equally), but this is going too far in the other direction.
>>155098059Guy should be shilled not John.
>>155098076>Both Hal & Guy portrayed as CHUDS in the DCU>John is a dindugoodboyFucking hate these racebating piece of shit hollywood pedos
>>155097863>Sea cucumber with bedroom eyes Bruh
>>155094242>>155094262There are too many Earth Lanterns in the comics
>>155098076He was. And he was a very well received part of that movie. >>155098092>Guy Gardener>chudThat's just not true, but okay.
>>155098035Same. Jess' show is animated, so it can actually afford alien Lanterns. Don't hold your breath for the live-action though.
>>155098537not as many earthbound kryptonians
>>155098092>>155098551yeah Guy probably wouldn't interact with earth cultural stuff beyond footballI imagine all the earth GLs have really odd political priorities after a while due to interacting w/ large scale galactic economies (it would probably be more of a John and Kyle thing though)>I can't believe the only Earthbound manufacturer of gravity slicers is Lexcorp!>better than importing them through Intergang
>>155097972>>155098007>>155098018Them being white is relevant specifically because this atrocity IS ONLY BEING DONE TO ICONIC BELOVED WHITE MALE CHARACTERS.Wanting to protect white males from harm factually is not racism and factually is not evidence of having a problem with normal non-hostile non-white people.You can have racial diversity and inspiring badass heroines without trashing beloved white male heroes.People had ZERO problem with Sam Wilson until TF&TWS when he defended terrorist, I have been BEGGING for a War Machine movie since 2008.Look at the fantastic heroines in the Mission Impossible series, all of them were awesome and at the same time none of them undermined, emasculated or demonized Ethan Hunt even when they were at odds.
>>155098846I still don't care about Hal Jordan
>>155094133Nice spoiler tag, faggot.
>>155099307Nigga I have seen literally one preview for GL and it was immediately clear that Hal was gonna bite it. He might as well have been talking about being a day away from retirement.
>>155094837So the fuck is the point of this show?
>>155094733Hal's fan were always a bunch of schizos. You are probably don't old enough to remember H.E.A.T. and all the stunts they pulled.
>>155094923>to think most people would get past episode 1, after pulling that bullshitMost people that watched the first episode are on board with it. Only the spergs from /here/ are the ones mad at it.
>>155094133My favorite part of True Detective season 1? One of the detectives died in tbe beginning and the partner dynamic was abandoned.
>>155094752The holograms aren’t a one time thing, the implication is that he can make multiple limited ones. He was meant to update weekly, so it’s possible he just made a new one between 2016 and 2026, likely knowing he was dealing with something risky
>>155098076It's a damn shame what they did to Alan Scott. And there's no way to reverse the damage without offending the lefties.
>>155098846All those words to still be racist and wrong.
>>155094545>The BTS featurette already spoiled that Hal is alive in the 2026 timelineThis happened just before his murder. It isn't John on the pic, but the manhunter who killed him.
>>155099021Nobody cares about Forced DEI Lantern>>155099703Racism would be what they did to Hal, killing him off so the nigga can be the protagonist. Imagine if the roles were reversed, oh wait that would never happen
>>155098846All I wanted was to secure a future for white children, how is that racist?
>>155099703Explain the racism.
>>155094133>But if we're doing something that's supposed to be groundedThey're writing a show about a space cop who uses a magic ring that can create anything he imagines, and thought yeah this has to be super grounded. What the fuck were they smoking?
>>155097885Not really it was well made on the production end, but it was very muddled narratively and thematically since the writer didn't understand Watchmen
>>155094837Other way around. It means Guy loses his ring to John. The end of episode 1 is winter 2026, clearly after the Superman movie. So Guy has been running around with the ring for a while already.So the timeline is probably: Hal is 2814 GL from 1996-2016. The 2016 Nebraska events get Hal and John shitcanned, and the ring goes to Guy. Guy is GL from 2016-2026. Something happens to Guy during Lanterns, and the ring goes to John. Leaving John as the "real" DCU GL going forward.
>>155098035I'm hoping that Hal's suit being a modified fighter pilot uniform is an indicator of the Lanterns having personalized suits according to their cultures.
>>155094133I'm expecting the typical Hollywood deflection of>If you have ANY complaint at all then you are just a politically motivated racist chud!!!!!any day now.
>>155094176All he ever wants to do is take some scifi franchise and use it as a soap box to bitch about racism in history. We get it, people were really fucking racist back in the 1940s. Can we have a fucking superhero doing superhero shit already?
>>155098846What’s it like being this racist?
>>155094262Despite the fact that there are 2 lanterns per sector, a ring can make another ring any time they want, there is no reason for some weird recruitment story at all.
>>155094133The lost boys and their consequences have been disastrous for the western entertainment industry
>>155094389Because whenever he inevitably turns a show into>We need to talk about racism...It wins every single moron award imaginable and all of a sudden some random series is a multiple award winning success on paper. And studio execs fucking LOVE that some show is now an award winning thing. Lindeloff is a magnet for awards and accolades just by depicting rednecks hating black guys on screen so the suits see that and want more of it. It strokes all the egos.
>>155094133I really don't know why DC is keep shooting itself in the foot, leg, arm and head everytime they try to make a movie.Is it that hard to actually play a comic straight?Guy finds a ring, a bad guy appears, he struggels but slowly masters the ring, he beats the dude up and saves the world/romantic interest/town
>>155094133Why not kill Hal, the green lantern, not John?
>>155100551He seems like a one-trick pony at this point
>>155100481doesn't exactly help that a good half the complaints are politically motivated racist talking points
>IT'S GROUNDED!>Not gonna get the suit again till the last heckin' episode, because they actively hate they're making superhero show.>Even if Hal is going to be back, but you're still going to deal with this shitty-ass John talking about privileges and immigration through the show.>We somehow got worse then the GL movie.I hate King and I hate Lindelof
>>155100579>Is it that hard to actually play a comic straightGeneral audiences don't like that. It was just trendy for a while.>Guy finds a ring, a bad guy appears, he struggels but slowly masters the ring, he beats the dude up and saves the world/romantic interest/townThe Gunnverse is based on online comments and those usually say origin stories are lame and they know the GL lore already.
>>155094133I take Ryan Reynolds GL to this bullshit.
Does anyone like John?
>>155100784I used to. Outside of a few moments, he's been pretty boring since Johns took over GL.Even then, he's still number 4 on my Earth Lantern list.
>>155100375> Something happens to Guy during Lanterns, and the ring goes to John. Leaving John as the "real" DCU GL going forward.I do think there are two rings running around. But if you are correct, then the thing that got Guy shitcanned could be the events of Superman. With Guy announced for Mister Miracle, I think he’s getting a ring of his own
>>155100784Ya. He's a straight man in a series that's about as absurdist as you can get. Even then you can see the cracks of humor in his personality. >It's gonna look like they're beeting the shit out of me but don't help.>I won't>...thanks
>>155100697>Not gonna get the suit again till the last heckin' episode, because they actively hate they're making superhero showJust like supergirl kek superman was the only decent attempt at a superhero but that was a victim of the set-up of the stuff Gunn actually prefers: Peacemaker
>>155100811>I do think there are two rings running around.King already confirmed that Guy is wearing Hal's ring. Part of the story in Lanterns is how that happened. So one way or another, for John to become GL, Guy has to lose the ring.I do hope they keep Fillion around as Guy. Maybe make him Warrior or give him another colored ring or some shit.
>>155100784Does anyone even have a choice, they fucking killed Hal Jordan so you like him. He's soo cool
>>155100876My take on King’s comment was Guy currently has two rings. Guy acquired his ring post 2016, and when Hal died there wasn’t a suitable bearer so it went to Guy for safekeeping. I could be totally wrong, I can see it going either way. We’ll just have to wait and see
>>155100919Interesting take. Man, I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
Every time these movies/shows come out, there's immediately an article trying to do damage control for a comically unpopular decision on the part of the creators.
>>155100579They did that in 2011 and it was a colossal PR disaster for Green Lantern
I love Hal and this scene made me kinda sad.
>>155094133>emotionalityThis is not a fucking word
>>155101078It actually is. And it goes back about 200 years.
I'm old as fuck lads, all the old torrent sites are dead. Am I fuck getting HBO Max.
>>155101094So it does. Huh. Jumped the gun there, thought it was another "addicting"
>>155100579>Is it that hard to actually play a comic straight?If you are someone who thinks comics are for NERDS that clearly the entire core population of chads and stacy's totally fucking hate then yes, it is impossible. Then it has to get a super dooper serious film facelift and actually be that super serious adult movie with some light hints at the comic shit in there somewhere for the lame nerds that are totally going to be shoved into a locker any minute now.
>>155101149Either way, pretty sure he's not using it correctly. Wikipedia defines it as the study of emotional reactions to stimuli. Smiles, frowns, twitches, etc.Dude just wanted to say "emotional depth" and probably made up "emotionality" to sound smart.
>>155101136123 movies or something
>>155100666Seems like this show was specifically written to attract them. There are a thousand ways to depict a GL series on screen that do not need to have some kind of weird angry rivalry between asshole old white guy and cool hip young black guy who is smart and friendly. Then set it in a small rural town full of old racist rednecks who are running a gun militia. Half the show is intentional bait designed to attract the same old political screeching schizos. The basic description of the show is intentional bait meant to attract the screeching schizos.It's like the people who made Zootopia trying to pretend they are so shocked and surprised that it attracted furries. They only injected multiple furry fetishes into the film, including dedicating about 10 minutes to nude furries and tried to have ass shaking dancing sexy furries on screen. How could this have possibly happen!?!?!
>>155101136nepu DOT to
>>155101194Was what I thought.
>>155101233>>155101210Cheers
>>155094133The 'premise' of the show is proven FALSE by its source material and begs the question - 'who the FUCK is this retarded nonsense for?".
>>155101312it's a big spooky MYYYSSSTTERRRYYYYY oooohhhhhhh!!!!!
>>155101312They made about 3 episodes of content, but need to make 8b episodes of show. so we get a lot of nonsense meaningless filler crap. Can't wait to see more random country folk wandering around nondescript rural streets for seemingly no reason at all but to fill 10 minutes of airtime.
>>155094133this is obviously just setting up the parallax arc
>>155094529>>155096385Berlanti & Guggenhiem's Green Lantern movie script is best unproduced capeshit screenplay of all time. It's inspired by Emerald Dawn, Hal is perfectly written, the supporting cast is on point. They even worked Alan Scott into it but because Cereal Lord's rainbow lantern stuff was gaining popularity WB insisted it be heavily re-written to incorporate it.
>>155094133yes i'm sure they're going to announce the twist to the press.
>>155101312Not green lantern fans for sure
>>155094133>LANTERNS Writers Address Making Everyone Shit Themselves Every Episode>"If the premise of the show is, ‘everybody shits themselves,’ we have to make everybody shit themselves"Did you consider not making that the premise of the show?
>>155094449>>155097229something like green lantern is too high risk for modern hollywoodit's special effects heavy, so it's too expensive. there are barely any human characters in it, so the wider audience can't relate and over seas audiences wont like it it's not set on earth, so no relatability and room for more human actors
>>155094242Hal Jordan die in comics every 5 years.
>>155100784Black people
>>155094837>>155094865>>155100375>>155100811>>155100876john will just retire and be the magical negro in guy's origin movie
>>155094133>But if we're doing something that's supposed to be grounded, this is something that we have to do."Why do they have to do something grounded?
>>155104192If that's the case the Green Lantern could have been an animated tv series instead of the Monster Mash or whatever the fuck it was.
>>155098092>Hal>portrayed as CHUDHow?
>>155100517I love being racist it keeps getting me black girls for some reason.
>>155100741>The Gunnverse is based on online comments and those usually say origin stories are lame and they know the GL lore already.That's retarded. it might work with Superman, Batman or Spider-Man, because they were many adaptations dealing with their origin stories, and most people already know them, but with less known characters like Green Lantern this is a very bad idea, because it requires some searching for external informations to enjoy the movie.
>>155104548retards see the most basic cop movie trope of veteran cop starts out not liking rookie cop and thinks it's an attack on the white race or something
Are they even going to space?
>>155104629Chatgpt can make better bait...
>>155101216It's Damon Lindelof. He absolutely courts this kind of response, just look at his Watchmen.
>>155100697>>Not gonna get the suit again till the last heckin' episode, because they actively hate they're making superhero show.
>>155100579Nobody wants to make a capeshit show or movie. But that's the only thing that gets greenlit. So what people do is say they are making a capeshit adaptation, and then just play lip service to that while they make 90% their own thing.
>>155104824I feel like that could theoretically work if you have good writers, directors and creatives. Like what if we got a True Detective thing with a character that actually fit? The question? I dont know. Batman mixes with horror well which I guess is why we're getting Clayface. Not sure itll be good but still.
>>155094133Why do something they clearly don't like? How can superman be the only sort of sincere thing they have done
>>155104893I mean people liked Andor and I guarantee that show was just someone wanting to make their own dystopia movie but pretended it was a Star Wars story so it could get greenlit at a high budget.
>>155104893Clayface is so obviously not a Batman movie but whoever pitched it saw the success of Joker and changed things just enough to pretend its a Batman villain movie. A shame because Clayface would actually make for a great Batman live action movie villain in an actual Batman movie
>>155104779What da heck, dey made a show called Green Suit and didn't even make the suit the focus!
>>155094133>muh subverted expectationsIt's not 2015 anymore, Lindelbitch
>>155104681Yes. Did you not watch the trailer?
>>155104192>something like green lantern is too high risk for modern hollywoodThis isn't an argument. This is ass-backwards logic. It's equivalent to an executive saying making a pirate movie with naval warfare and exotic remote islands has too much overhead, so we can't have that, but we'll still make the pirate movie -- just with the captain talking to his accountant in his quarters or shopping at a market on land. Do I have to say this again? Make a different show or movie if you don't want to make that show or movie. There are a dozen other DC properties HBO could have used for their down-to-earth off-brand Watchmen/Cop show. As >>155097229mentioned, Question would have been a better match. They could have paired Sage and Montoya for that. Hell! Even a Detective Chimp show would have been a better match for this setting.
>>155097885The only good part was squid
>>155104779ngl a show about a wave-riding vampire sounds pretty dope.
So this is the GL buddy cop show that was in the works all that years ago?
>>155104987If they did Jessica first they could have made the first part a thriller about that killer chasing her friends. Then trippy silent hill (the good ones) Journey in her mind like that part in the comic where she's stuck inside fucked up (I only saw the cartoon) and then she finally surf Dracula's and had an epic space fight like aliens and beats the shit out of her demons literally. I mean if I really had to I would do this. ruining a new character isnt as bad somehow idk.Hal though? no fuck you make it a space superhero. I dont know what other genre you could mix it with. Give him a goddamn space battleship and make Yamato 2199 but with green ships? I dont know fucking anything but ragebait cowboys jesus christ.
>>155104987>A shame because Clayface would actually make for a great Batman live action movie villain in an actual Batman moviesorry buddy, but he's too comic book like for batman batman is a sigma male that catches serial killers
I think its funny that a glownigger and a jew made a show about a black guy who doesn't glow because it's too cheap. How many levels of irony is that?
>>155104987no i really do believe that mike flanagan pitched his serious movie treatment version of the Clayface episode from "Batman TAS" I think the reason "Clayface" was fast tracked is because Gunn really wanted a standalone horror movie and had Swamp Thing but it got delaeyed bc James Mangold is tied up in Star Wars purgatory, so the "clayface" pitch was easy to slot in, in its place
>>155100784Only justice league cartoon john
>So Tom King came up with the initial pitch, you were then recruited to flesh it out as showrunner — and then Tom and Damon served as your rhythm section, especially for the comic book elements. Is that an accurate summation of your collaboration?Yeah, a little bit. Tom basically had the 30,000-foot view: “What if you did Green Lanterns True Detective-ish?” But it was less that they were less my rhythm section and more that we were a pretty equal band. We also had three other writers who were hugely influential in everything we did. Knowing that we wanted to do something earthbound, we set it in Rushville, Nebraska, and Tom actually has family [his grandmother] that’s from there. I’m also from [Omaha] Nebraska, and both my parents grew up in small towns. So I was like, “Oh, I know that,” and then we were off to the races right away....[Hal’s death] was baked into what we were doing from the beginning, and it was just always part of what we were going to be doing. >It’s rare to work with a co-studio head who is also a writer-director himself. So how would you describe your dynamic with James Gunn?It was great in that you know he knows writing and what it’s like to be on a set. He just understands it all. At the very beginning, James was off doing Superman. He was in the thick of it, and he was in the trenches. So while he would come in for high-level stuff, there was a fair amount of trust that he was gracious enough to give us as he was making his gigantic movie.>John Stewart is going to be in the Superman follow-up, Man of Tomorrow, but James never asked you to set the stage by leaving him at a bus stop in Omaha? (Laughs.) No, we were really lucky in that way. We knew we were putting John on his feet, but there wasn’t an actual story point that we had to land him on. In one way, it makes it scarier because it could be anything, but at the same time, we weren’t shoehorned into anything at all.
>>155107068continued:>I know Lanterns is not based on any particular Green Lantern comic, but the conversation around adaptations and source material has been pretty contentious this year. You guys have dealt with bellyaching about creative license, as has The Odyssey and Resident Evil. Why do you think people are so resistant to change when it’s been proven time and time again that no one actually wants more of the same? It’s a really good question. It’s probably something that’s been with them their whole lives. If you’re a Green Lantern fan, you’ve probably been a Green Lantern fan since you were a kid. They just hold it a little closer and a little more dear. I think it comes from a really good place, which is, I really care about this thing. Don’t mess it up.This is just our story for a minute. Five or ten years from now, someone else is going to be the steward of it. If people see that those of us making Lanterns right now really care about it and are taking good care of it, then hopefully they’ll trust us a little bit. But it really is this feeling of, I care about this thing. Don’t break it. And I get that. They’re passionate about it.>Lanterns may have just premiered, but Mundy is already mapping out a potential season two story with Halt and Catch Fire co-creator Christopher Cantwell. (Lindelof and King are busy leading their respective new series, The Chain and Mister Miracle.) While Lanterns season two has not been officially green-lit, Mundy and Cantwell are getting their ducks in a row should the audience reception and viewership numbers match the critics’ enthusiasm for the down-to-earth take on Green Lanterns.https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/lanterns-season-2-james-gunn-1236676414/So basically, all James Gunn needed from "Lanterns" was a mini series prequel launching John Stewart.Tom King made it what it is
You know we can blame Lindeoff for ruining TV in general. I'm not fucking kidding, the guy made LOST. That was the first stone. This mystery box bullshit is what holds audiences hostage
>>155104893>Like what if we got a True Detective thing with a character that actually fit? The question? I dont know. Batman mixes with horror well which I guess is why we're getting Clayface. Not sure itll be good but still.A True Detective style Batman show riffing off of Morrison's Barbatos/Dr. Hurt stuff would be cool. The past era story is more built around The Cult miniseries, and the present day stuff is The Black Book. And you stitch together The Black Gove and Zur En Arhh. I dunno, I'm not smart enough to parcel it all together nicely.But I think that could be a cool way to do a Batman True Detective show.
>>155094133I don't get why they can't just be up front about the fact they had no real interest in using Hal long term because they wanna do a Justice League like the DCU had.
>>155107790>DCUYou mean DCAU
I fucking hate the sheriff character
>>155094133Did ben10 just win?
>>155107084>>I know Lanterns is not based on any particular Green Lantern comic, but the conversation around adaptations and source material has been pretty contentious this year. You guys have dealt with bellyaching about creative license, as has The Odyssey and Resident Evil. Why do you think people are so resistant to change when it’s been proven time and time again that no one actually wants more of the same?Real hard hitting journalism there, and totally not biased in any way.
>>155100579Some article recently said that a prior iteration of the Green Lantern show (I presume this was when Berlanti was on board) got rejected by HBO Max years ago because HBO Max wanted True Detective with superpowers.
>>155094133gosh who knew something Tom King got his grubby fingers all over would be shit
>>155107068>we set it in Rushville, Nebraska, and Tom actually has family [his grandmother] that’s from there.And King wants Hal dead because his grandma died, and experiencing loss is part of life or whatever he said in that other interview.>tfw Lanterns Hal is literally Tom King's grandmaThe actual fuck.
>>155104893Nobody would watch a Question show. And you would be bitching and whining when Vic wouldn’t wear the mask 24/7 and call it a True Detective ripoff
>>155108967He's just projecting his mental issues onto everything he touches.
>>155107790Where do you people come up with this shit? The public pitch for a Green Lantern movie/TV show for the past 10+ years has been that of older veteran Hal and young rookie John team up, with the clear implication being that Hal was not going to be around for long because the type of actor would have to be in his late 50s. How far is your head up in your ass exactly that you missed that?
>>155094133>only one of these guys can have the ring
>>155108971>Nobody would watch a Question show.You can't say that when it's never been tried. You think anybody was clamoring for a Green Arrow TV show before the CW show? But it worked because Warner Bros put in the work to make the character viable to audiences.>And you would be bitching and whining when Vic wouldn’t wear the mask 24/7 and call it a True Detective ripoffPeople would be more forgiving if they made the masked scenes standout. And it would be either way, but it'd be much more compatible with the idea than Green Lantern is.
>>155100100white "people" are inherently racist and shouldn't feel safe in the world where we fight racism>>155100254a race from a position of power is abusing other races directly (slavery) or indirectly (diminishing others in media) like casting a white guy in that Genghis khan movie
>>155109009>older veteran Hal and young rookie John team upBy itself this doesn't have to mean the older veteran ages out by the end (or in this case, killed in the beginning).Could even be the opposite - think Se7en with the emotional spectrum instead of deady sins lol
>>155109449Even if you're talking about the age of the actor, that's a matter of casting. Just like you can cast older actors in much younger roles like Nathan Fillion or Poorna Jagannathan, you can cast a younger actor for an older role. You're doing past-present-future narrative anyway, pick a guy in the "present" age and use makeup both ways. RDJ Ruffalo, Renner, were all in their 40s in their debuts, what's wrong with a 50ish cop (like Somerset in Seven)? Or at least the actor being that age if him being 60ish is so important?
>>155109449>Se7en with the emotional spectrum instead of deadly sins>Rage instead of WrathWhat's in the fridge? What's in the fucking fridge?
>>155109532Greed instead of Gluttony>I see you're back from canvassing. We have any witnesses?>No, the crime occurred when no one was looking. What have you figured out as cause of death?>Looks like the victim's stomach ruptured after being forced to eat forty cakes.>40 cakes? That's as many as four tens!>And that's terrible.
>>155109297You can say that when the Question is essentially a C-list character. >BUT GREEN ARROWIs a character who actually has managed to maintain a title for lengthy periods of time. WB also had developed a movie around him for years before the CW show materialised.>People would be more forgivingThey would not. It’s well established at this point that “fans” will bitch about everything and pretend it’s the end of the world whenever something is even slightly different from comics. People make their minds before seeing a single frame over behind the scenes production stills or casting announcements and then spend months whining about it. Take Arrowverse for example. People were constantly complaining about how it wasn’t enough like comic books, while ignoring all the limitations and necessities of weekly television production. And yes, eventually people did warm up to it for couple of years but that was preceded with nonstop whining and mockery.Similarly this website was busy complaining about the Penguin as being terrible because they changed his name to being Oz Cobb and bitched for weeks about DEI sidekicks and Sofia being girlboss propaganda until the show became a smash hit and their culture war complaints started to be too stupid to parrot.
>>155109449>By itself this doesn't have to mean the older veteran ages outYes it is. You don’t cast someone who’s in their 50s or 60s as a co-lead unless it’s a one season/movie deal. Especially if they’re a relative big name, like how Tom Cruise was a popular casting choice for Hal when it was still a movie project.
>>155109606You mean for if it's going to be a long-running series? I guess not everyone can be Danny Devito. I was under the impression it was just this one season and then they'd be in the movies. Was Samuel L. Jackson young or a small name back at his MCU start?Honestly, I don't know where you get this notion or why you're insisting it's a rule that everyone else is dumb for not knowing. Even if you're ignorant of the many counter-examples (like a whole ensemble of Golden Girls), wasn't the "actor age" thing already made moot by the logic in >>155109508 ?
>>155109599Peacemaker was D tier at best before he got astroturfed
>>155100579>romantic interestchud, it's 2026, do you really think positive heteronormative relationships with a white male is allowed?
>>155109769Superman 2026 had a white man kiss another white woman.
>>155109636>what about Dannt DeVitoHe’s not a co-lead in a prime time drama, he’s part of an an ensemble cast on sitcom where episodes are like 25 minutes long and he usually does the least work in every episode because he’s super old and they write around what Danny can do>what about SLJStrictly plays a supporting character and (mostly) does glorified cameos without any action scenes>what about Golden GirlsThe entire premise of that show was that everyone was super old (by 80 standards), dumbass. Also it was a sitcom.>Duurrr what about these people in their 40s????People in their 40s are different from being in your late 50s, early 60s. Especially if the role requires special effects and action. If you didn’t notice they already started to prepare passing the Hawkeye baton to Kate Bishop years before Renner’s accident, precisely because he was becoming old for the role. Robert Englund for example had to retire from playing Freddy specifically because the role was becoming too demanding to him physically when he was in his mid-50s.>>155109714And he didn’t get his show from nowhere, he got it based on his performance and the character was also radically changed in Suicide Squad. If they did similar changes to Question this board would make countless rage threads about it.
>>155109449>>155109606>like how Tom Cruise was a popular casting choice for Hal when it was still a movie project.Supposedly Cruise was offered the role of Hal when the buddy cop movie pitch with John was still being developed and the reason he turned it down was because: Hal was set up to be an older guy who die or retires by the end of itWB wanted to move on from Hal long before King & LindelofSnyder was ultimately going to settle on JohnBlame Ryan Reynolds. Once his movie flopped and he would not stop making fun of it, WB gave up on Hal. And they had comics where he died and a popular cartoon where John was liked as GL.This has been WB's endgame for years
>>155106153don't vampires melt in the water? Or it's just holywater?
>>155110746This was the one chance they had to redeem Hal, they had an actor people like and they waste it
>>155110884How? He's great in the show and is everyone who has watched its favorite part.
>>155094733>>155099445Disingenuous take. People aren't schizos about Hal. He very clearly has been targeted and purposely shit on for decades except for when Johns was running gl
>>155109009hal fans just want hal to be in something and not be killed off or become evil
>>155110746Since cruise is a hal chad, he knew where this was going.Another reason to hate dwayne mcduffie
>>155110891Nigga he is dead, they killed him off
>>155110884If the show makes people like Hal how is it a waste, you fucking idiot? It builds interest and goodwill towards him and eventually they will give him another try. God you people insufferable whiners
>>155094133>Our feeling is, let's see how you feel at the end of Episode 8My feeling is, Episode 1 was dogshit so why the fuck would I watch Episode 2, let alone all the way to Episode 8?
>>155111298Cruise would never want to commit to multiple movies when he couldn’t have full creative control. The reason he kept making so many Mission Impossible movies is because he was personally in control and making creative decisions for the franchise.
>>155111313Them don’t watch another episode and shut the fuck up.
>>155096847Yes, two to a sector but since Earth's sector is such a batshit crazy hotspot of weird fucking shit happening all the time the guardians bent that rule for us. It's why we've got like ten different Lanterns operating here at any given moment.
>>155111339Oh I'm sorry, Damon. Did I hit a nerve?
based on episode 1, I assume there's going to be a lot of jumping back and forth, and most of the show will probably take place in 2016, and work up to how Hal died.
>>155111304Says who? I just watched a show with shapeshifters, holograms, and other deceptions.
>>155111446It's been leaked that 2016 ends with episode four.
>>155111236Yeah dude, that is why people shunned them in the 90's when they infested message boards and conventions with the stupid H.E.A.T. thing.
>>155094133>Our feeling is, let's see how you feel at the end of Episode 8, and if you still feel like it was exploitative or unnecessary, or that it wasn't exactly what had to happen in order for this story to get told, then we deserve it,I do feel this is the case Lindelof because I have zero hope you'll actually do anything good with Parallax.
>>155094176Don't forget he also broke Ridley Scott's brain so now he can't make normal Alien movies.
>>155098537There is a reason a lot of people were hoping it was set in space while having Guy as Earths current GL with Hal and John doing stuff with the Guardians.
>>155094133Are there people really watching this garbage?This show has nothing to do with the comic "Green Lantern": no cosmic adventures, sense of wonder, greatness... just a a cashgrab for comic fans.
>>155111500What point are you making? H.E.A.T. was in the right from the get go and you're saying that shills being apathetic means Hal's treatment wasn't bullshit? Fags like you just genuinely don't like Hal for some reason. It's weird
>>155111330Also he would do johns gl.
>>155111627Stop being a drama queen
>>155111304>"dead means dead forever"!>in a superhero story!do you hear yourself?!
>>155094133Is there anything in this show that is any good, or it or just one of those things that is so shit I will only get... not enjoyment but interest in I suppose would be the word if I really like Green Lantern and want to see how bad it is?
>>155113567Kyle Chandler is really great as Hal.Its up to you if you think its even possible to do a well done "hal jordan dies" storyline. Its waaay too early to say it was done poorly; it all up to you whether you think it should be attempted period
>>155094133first of all, I don't like the grounded story, the hook of the show is the mystery but "grounded" is not what I want from Green Lantern. DC has plenty of detectives that need screentime and Green Lantern isn't one of them.second, I don't have a problem with John taking over from Hal, what I don't like is that they're dropping Hal by killing him. turning him into Parallax would at least serve a purpose storywise but just killing him is a waste of the character and his potential. I think they know this but they couldn't or weren't allowed to come up with a good way to adapt Emerald twilight without brushing up against their "grounded" setting, so fuck em.
>>155100876>I do hope they keep Fillion around as Guy. he's one of Gunn's buddies, he'll probably be fine. he's one of the more consistent actors Gunn's worked with too
I'll be real, I kinda dig the idea of a grounded Green Lantern story that goes FULL gritty crime fiction. But these idiots don't have the balls or imagination to do that, so here we are.
>make a show about intergalactic space cops with rings that can do anything>have it be a drab looking, boring, police procedural in small town America with the usual race baiting politics For what reason?
>>155110080>People in their 40s are different from being in your late 50s, early 60sOh good, so cast one of those people in their 40s to play an older person, as has been said. You keep moving the goalposts "oh I mean a lead or co-lead" "oh obviously in an action role" but your coming from a flawed premise in the first place, even if hollywood isn't obviously capable of casting even an 80 year old as an action lead (Star Trek Picard), much less a 50-something as is all is demanded by the "veteran cop" trope. Especially with a superhero like Green Lantern, who will punch but is mostly flying and creating constructs, not sprinting and leaping and such, and especially for the "older mentor figure" Lantern who will have more of a support or ensemble role, maybe even semi-retired, once his protégé is trained. If Nathan Fillion's Guy Gardner can stay around so could Hal.Where this started was you saying that>older veteran Hal and young rookie John team up, with the clear implication being that Hal was not going to be around for long because the type of actor would have to be in his late 50sbut there are still plenty of examples of actors continuing to do multiple action movies past their 50s, and again, you do not have to cast a 60 year old for the role. You insist there's obviously a clear implication but there's really not, and even if there was, that's not the same as an actual requirement.
>>155112379>John stewart will appear in man of tomorrow>writer notorious for hating whitey flat out says he killed him for shock valueI feel bad for you but keep waiting
>>155111466>>155112379>what? why are you saying he's dead for real? are you dumb?>>155109009>>155110746>everyone knew he was meant to die, come on, how can you even be upset about it when it's that obviousi am confused. am i dumb for thinking hal could live through the show or am i dumb for thinking he could stay dead?
>>155115949>i am confused. am i dumb for thinking hal could live through the show or am i dumb for thinking he could stay dead?yes
>>155115847Also this is a tv show with a lower budget, that can be used to justify lack of actual Green Lantern powers or space adventures due to being "grounded", I think they can manage Hal being "too old for this shit" in the physical department. Then in a movie with actual sfx budget he's got a magic ring to sell a lackluster punch, taking a blow, or having him move fast without real running. Especially as he wouldn't be the lead.
>>155109599>You can say that when the Question is essentially a C-list character.So was Green Arrow. The only difference was producers pushing for him, between his inclusion in Smallville and the Super Max script that never panned out.>They would not.You're really going to sit there and act like there weren't fans who enjoyed it from the beginning? Might as well agree to disagree, fan backlash a moot point anyway.
>'Lanterns' earned 9.3M views in its first 3 days on HBO Max, the biggest debut ever for a DC Studios show. For comparison, 'The Penguin' premiere grew to 10.4M viewers across all platforms after 11 days.Welp.
wtf even is this show. Hal doesn't even need to be in a show with Stewart as the lead, unless you want some cameos or later storylines. Kyle Rayner is actually the better foil. And the whole setup on the show is wrong and obviously just an excuse to fill the show runner's very specific brand of social commentary.Here's your show if you want some actual social commentary and character study while being true to comics and keeping the budget down (even if I don't think a Green Lantern story of all things should be a live action low budget affair, but this is how I'd do it)>Stewart is an ex-military unc, not a young guy>after a space mission Stewart returns to Earth, specifically his home town>discouraged that despite his immense powers and being able to help save worlds, he hasn't really been able to impact his low income black majority home town>his lack of vision and creativity, possibly stemming from his strict military experience, extends to both how he only uses his powers in a basic straightforward pew pew way and in how he does know how he can use his power to truly change and uplift his town>Kyle Rayner is assigned to help Stewart be more creative with his powers>Rayner has fantastical uses of his powers but that doesn't mean he understands Stewart's streets or how to help any more than Stewart does>as Stewart grows with the usage of his powers, and learns to loosen up, he also learns more deeply about the people in his hometown and their issues (he's really just been a visitor for years since he's gone so much for Lantern duties) and is more inspired about how to lead them and inspire them by example
Its interesting how Barry Allen doesn't invoke this kind of intense loyalty from comic fans. Most fans are content with Wally inheriting the mantle, and are cool with Wally being the new movie/TV focus. But *it has to be* Hal when it comes to Green Lantern. Even though, there's been 40 years of stories of other people being the Lantern. It can't be John, it can't be Kyle, it can't be Guy.
>>155116236dont gaf about gay lanterns but liked the showi liked andor and the fallout shownot bait just letting you know the audience
>>155112277Faggot lol
>>155117372Good little cattle lmao
>>155116856Schizo
HeyWhy can't the dude just glow green when he flies?It's weird otherwise.
>>155104192>something like green lantern is too high risk for modern hollywoodTHEN THEY'RE A FUCKING COWARD>so the wider audience can't relate and over seas audiences wont like itFUCK THE ASIANS!!
>>155116856I liked Barry but he was just never interesting, when he died in Crisis it made him a Saint of the Silver Age and retconned him into being the guy everybody liked because he was so nice. Wally had a long journey to find his way and it mostly worked, because he knew and loved Barry. Hal is just a better FIT for the job of space cop. He's a 'Right Stuff' test pilot and a man of action who actually isn't as foolhardy as he's been trope'd. He wants to go to space and he wants to see it all. Stewart's been through so many softboots his character is hard to pin down at this point but there was never a version where I felt he WANTED the job. Guy does, but he's a dick. Kyle just exists as a character who is everything Hal Jordan isn't and Marz/Dooley just thought they'd figure something out along the way.
>>155096157You mean a less than 5 year period?
>>155094644Bendis was once one of the greats...
If this is a success all the way through, they're going to do Parallax at some point. So even if Hal is written off now, he's probably coming back.
>>155118762If this particular cinematic universe survives long enough.
>>155109319>>155109449Also, there were many white Mongols and Huns. Whites went as far as northern Japan.
>>155118810meant for >>155109319 and to be an extension of >>155118796
>>155110858Fuck! Now that you mention it traditional folklore says they can't cross, swim, or fly over running water -- like rivers and streams -- but there are some exceptions for traveling by boat, like in Bram Stoker's Dracula, so I don't know. I guess it could still work.
>>155115847>Oh good, so cast one of those people in their 40s to play an older personBut they cast a 60 year old Kyle Chandler instead. Because WB has always wanted to do old veteran trains a rookie partner dynamic and story. Keep crying about how it hurts your feelings but it changes nothing about the realities of how casting generally works. They do not like casting people in their 50s or up as leads in most things, especially if it requires action and special effects because they know that the older you get the more prone to injury you are and extended recovery times on one of your main characters fuck up your entire production schedule.>If Nathan Fillion's Guy Gardner can stay around so could Hal.Except he can’t because Guy and Hal function in completely different ways. Guy’s job is being the dickhead in a team setting. That means he doesn’t need to do much actual action. Hal meanwhile is an action guy jumping headfirst into the fire and you can’t use him in that capacity the older the actor gets. Even in terms of narrative he stops having a function once John stops being a rookie he trains as Hal isn’t suited to being behind the desk type older supporting authority figure.>baaawwww but I want Hal and John together as equalsAnd you’re never going to get that because narratively it’s a dead end. You can’t build a franchise around that. Buddy cops only works when the two are butting heads. Why do you think Lethal Weapon works? Because Riggs is a younger nutjob and Murtaugh is the old guy who’s too old for that shit. >but there are still plenty of examples of actors continuing to do multiple action movies past their 50s And most of the time when they do they have shoot around them. Look at how much they have to cut around Liam Neeson in action scenes because basically every time he’s running or doing something more physical it’s a stunt double. Not everyone is Tom Cruise and even he’s getting too old for his own stunts.
>>155119941>but there are some exceptions for traveling by boat, like in Bram Stoker's DraculaDracula gamed the system by shipping himself in a coffin full of gravedirt iirc
>>155111304Yes, in a flashforward.>Literally shown alive in the season trailer>Actor is listed as starring on every ep in the IMDB pageDidn't even try.
>>155116146No, the difference is that Green Arrow has more proven track record as a character with a fanbase and enough of a unique gimmick. That is why Oliver keeps being used in media because people see the appeal. Question is just a guy without a face doing detective shit.You can’t even get comic fans to agree which version of the Question is the “real one” because the weirdo conspiracy theory guy is actually from one fucking cartoon and that took lots of liberties and has little resemblance to the Denny O’neill version that is considered the most iconic one in the comics but that one is basically too high concept for television.Also, X-Files was big in the 90s due to UFO and conspiracy theory shit filling the media space after the cold war ended. It’s a franchise that now basically relies on nostalgia. It is 2026 now. Weirdo conspiracy guy isn’t harmless, quaint and charming innocent fun for entertainment anymore when the online space is full of nutjobs who actually go and do violence based on the things they read online. Hence why the Mulder/Scully revival show just couldn’t work anymore on the same old formula and ratings went down more than half in the second season. So Question riffing on Fox Mulder isn’t going to appeal the way it did in 00s.
>>155115816>Chuds go EVERYTHING SHOULD ABOUT MEEEEEEEEE>Actually star it in a Chud town with all chud third-worlders>Still chimp out
>>155094133I have accepted that Hal is in the Jay Garrick club of "legacy character who is always dead or corrupted in the present", but he could have died in flashbacks instead of yet another pointless false advertisement pretending he would be a main protagonist
>>155094133so they did it because "LE SUBVERSION OF EXPECTATIVES"????When are they gonna get rid of that cliche?
>>155120965>Actor is listed as starring on every ep in the IMDB pageSomebody has to play the hologram Hal who serves as John's sidekick
>>155094644There are lots of Jewish people in Hollywood, anon.
>>155104893Literally just use question elongated man even Martian manhunter
>>155116146I still wish they would do Supermax as an animated movie
>>155094133>But if we're doing something that's supposed to be grounded, this is something that we have to do."Intergalactic space cops with rings that can make whatever you think of...grounded.Just shut the fuck up.
>>155120841>Keep crying about how it hurts your feelingsIt doesn't, I haven't even watched the show and I don't much care to (and not because of any crime I feel like they committed in any of this). I just hated your attitude I'd summarize as "of course it absolutely had to be this way. And everyone knew that going in. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool."You're coming up with post-hoc justifications on the story and casting decisions to put others down, not actually spitting facts. No point trying to get through to you on this anymore though, it's obvious you're too invested and emotional, despite trying to paint me to be the one like that.
>>155116856Barry's been dead for a long time. Ofc, Hal's been dead too, but not for long, and when he came back, he returned triumphantly, with his comics even outselling Batman's. Besides, Wally is much more interesting than Barry, and John is pretty boring as a replacement for Hal.
>>155111543Kek, what
>>155120990the fact that they cast an old fuck to play hm already sealed the deal of him not being the protag
>>155094133>the premise of the show is, ‘only one of these guys can have the ring,’??? Isn't this set in the same universe where Nathan Fillion's Guy Gardner has a ring?
>>155121856>Guy has a ring.>John doesn't have the ring.>Hal's corpse doesn't have the ring.>Tom King said why this is the case is part of the story.Put it together, retard.
>>155120970>No, the difference is that Green Arrow has more proven track record as a character with a fanbaseMaybe now, but back then when the push began? I'm not buying it.>You can’t even get comic fans to agree which version of the Question is the “real one”At least from what I've seen, the O'Neil version is considered the standard while DCAU Question is a respected outlier, but that's just what I've seen.>but that one is basically too high concept for television.And True Detective wasn't? You had a point with the track record, but your logic is becoming way too circular.>Question can't be adapted because he's not popular enough and has no hook>They can't use the DCAU version as a basis because he's too scawwy for modern audiences>They can't adapt O'Neil, which would be perfect for the twists and turns prestige TV audiences devour, because it's too "high concept"I mean, we both know the real reason is that there's no executive/writer/producer/ect. in the ranks who's a Question fan. No reason to make excuses about it.>>155122248NTA, but that would be more of a "gotcha" if they didn't put so much more importance on that specific ring, and Guy's using a completely different one. Obviously it's part of the mystery, but the conclusion of Guy having Hal's ring isn't that obvious.
>>155122596>And True Detective wasn't?No. It was a basic cold case cop show with some gimmicks and style that got people online hyped up and think it was way more highbrow and supernatural than it actually was.And I didn’t say DCAU was scary, I said conspiracy theories stopped being a source of entertaining nonsense years ago. Denny’s Zen identity crisis Question where people use dead babies as a way to beg for change and then dump the corpse to the trash when they don’t get any would not make for good prestige television or mainstream procedural. It’s way too esoteric and ethereal and also at times disgusting. They would have to make a lot of changes that purists would then bitch about because NOT MUH VIC
>>155121132Martian Manhunter is too broken just due to his telepathy to work as a TV show unless you depowered him and then we’d be off to the races again with you whining it might as well be another character then. And now it would draw too many comparisons to Resident Alien. And LOL at Elongated Man being given a show. Even CW didn’t find that appealing and they were willing to do several spinoff shows
>>155094176Something you need to understand is that these circles are like big social clubs. He has a veneer of competence, a resume, and is capable of drinking mimosas with people that see him as one of their own.Yeah, he's going to keep asking for work, and he's going to keep getting it because they're in the same clique and these retards are too materially detached from normal consumers to see the pattern of red flags. It's blind cronyism.
Does it really matter? Hal Jordan sucks anyway and his replacements are way better characters.Between this and making Jor-El evil given how much of a nothingburger character he is, Gunn is doing some things right.
>>155094176>The people who browbeat Alan Moore into writing Watchmen sequel should be murdered, because they're the people who don't get it.- Demon Lidloaf, the writer of Watchmen sequel, Wizard #190 2007, colorized. >According to Moore, the showrunner sent him a letter during the HBO show’s development and wrote, “Dear Mr. Moore, I am one of the bastards currently destroying ‘Watchmen.’” “That wasn’t the best opener,” Moore said of the showrunner letter. “It went on through a lot of, what seemed to me to be, neurotic rambling. ‘Can you at least tell us how to pronounce “Ozymandias”? I got back with a very abrupt and probably hostile reply telling him that I’d thought that Warner Bros. were aware that they, nor any of their employees, shouldn’t contact me again for any reason.”
>>155123077>deconstructionPseud to the extreme
>>155094133>If the premise of the show is, ‘only one of these guys can have the ring,’Why does that have to be the premise? Isn't there like, 6 currently active human Green Lanterns in the comics?
>>155123077Absolutely based. I had no idea Lindelof was this cool.
Not too long ago someone brought up how half the DCU projects are R rated, Peacemaker and CC. I guess you can add Lanterns to the list too. Among that every single DCU project has self deprecating raunchy comedy. There’s always a sex/poop/cuck joke. It’s frankly exhausting. The Lanterns dialogue is just atrocious, literally every single conversation between Hal and John is argument being played for a joke.
Ngl the sight of Hal sitting alone in the snow made me a little sad.
>>155094133>Heh, stupid fans! We're making you mad on purpose!OK but I'm not watching it
>>155123077>‘Can you at least tell us how to pronounce “Ozymandias”? Does this nincompoop think Moore came up with the name? Isn't he old enough to have read Shelley in school?
>>155094133>There can only be one... Because ok?! >Guy Gardner dodging zesty nigga trying to kill him for this highlander bullshit in the next DCU slop Did this hack forget his own superfriends?
>>155123550Yeah why can’t they be PG-13 quippy comedies with some action slop
>>155094501It’s not exclusive to the movie industry either, being a nepotistic dicksucker will get you farther than trying to actually deliver good stuff anyday.
>>155098035>>155098018Actually, anon, White Solidarity may be what limp wristed retards call “racism” but, maybe, the takeaway should be that White Solidarity isn’t a bad thing
>>155124589Anon, they're quippy comedies with bad VFX action slop, the only different are the F bombs and cuck punchlines.
>>155109790David is Jewish.
>>155118762>>155118794WB will either be sold off to Paramount, someone else, or go defunct. Nothing DC Gunn's made has done well enough to prevent the new people from inevitably going, "lol bye."
>>155094133People actually watched this?Lol
