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How would you feel if Jean and Peter were blood
-related siblings.
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You go beyond I love you. Now Peter.
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Redheads and Peter do not mix.
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>>155098567
I hate ESLs.
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>>155098613
I think you’re the ESL
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>>155098567
hot
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>>155098669
Why does Logan have the Thragg face
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>>155098567
Siblings don’t kiss
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>>155098567
Oh you just know
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>>155098695
That only makes when they do kiss even more arousing!
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>Spiderphoenix popular in Japan
>Now would be a great time to make Spider Phoenix AU in the comic
>Marvel Manga is being published again
>This time starring Spider-man and one of the X Men
>Except it's Miles and X23
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>>155098715
That was probably months in planning though, Marvel is unlikely to be the kind of company that can just pivot to a new idea in a few weeks.
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Jean should beat the shit out Michelle
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>>155098715
I wish Bendis never created that pointless character.
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>>155098743
>>155098715
This was likely planned years in advance with no knowledge of what marvel studios was doing so it's merely a coincidence that they're doing Spider-man vs Mutants in a manga around the same time that Spider-man vs Jean is a hit in Japan
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>>155098773
I hate black spider man
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Captain America and Black Widow had a lot of good chemistry in Winter Soldier and they decided to pair her up with the hulk for some reason.
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>>155098773
I wish Bendis was never created
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>>155098782
That pairing was so random. What happened to Betty?
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Disney is HARD pivoting to PeterJean
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>>155098828
They turned her into female Captain America in what if
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MILES COULDN'T EVEN WAIT A MONTH TO COPY PETER HAVING AN X-MEN RIVAL
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>>155098715
>>Spiderphoenix popular in Japan
It isn't. I don't see anybody Japanese talking about the ship on xitter.
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>>155099005
Proof?
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>>155098567
>namefag thread
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This is the only way Jean could possibly be in a relationship to Peter
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>>155099030
She’s very pretty. It really goes to show that it’s all in the face shape, bone structure, and eyes
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>>155099030
That's kinda just Liz with red hair, huh
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>>155099030
Woah, is that fucking blackface dude?
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>>155099027
Yes
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>>155099020
Scrolling under スパイダーマン or #スパイダーマン and looking at what's in the media tab.
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What if Jean was older than Peter?
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>>155098782
MCU writers are shit at shipping, more news at 11.
>>155098567
Well if we are talking about MCU I would just be really confused on why Peter's mom and/or dad just left Peter with his aunt, fucked off somewhere, had two mutant daughters, and abandoned said daughters. That would also imply that Peter has at least one living parent out there who doesn't even know they have Peter as a son cause of doc strange's spell(so did like records of Peter's birth also get erased?).
>>155098606
I really hope next MCU spider man film has black cat in it.
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We're 5+ years away from the next Tom Spider-Man movie, that's plenty of time for a Hollywood marriage like Tomdaya to fall apart
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>>155099309
GOOD
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>>155098567
You think Jean is kind of a bitch to MJ? Not in the yandere kind of way, but in the passive-agressive type of just showing off herself with her ex?
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>>155099309
I could see it happening, Sadie is a bombshell!
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>>155099390
Doubt Jean even considers her. To Jean most people besides Peter must be like ants for her to care. She calls them monsters and even though Peter showed her there was hope and good people, the fact she is too used to use them like playthings and puppets must have given her a different outlook in life. Not to mention the fact she can probably read all those dark thoughts and so is used to seeing the worst in people.
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>>155099390
I can't see any world where MCU Jean is passive
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>>155099398
The troondaya fears Sadie's washboard abs
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>>155099398
>>155099459
Man, I need to go to a gym.
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>>155099390
>Double date
>Peter and MJ's boyfriend leave the table as Peter wants to see his Konica C35 since they found a common interest in film cameras
>MJ and Jean remain on the table
>Jean goes on to talk about all the things her and Peter did as part of their superhero shenanigans and how that lead them to travel to different places in the world and the galaxy
>"What about you MJ? How are you and your fiance?"
>MJ just says common shit like how he got his new car and how she's rearranging her home while looking for a new job after being laid-off
>"Awww man, I'm so sorry MJ...Man, sometimes I tend to forget all these mundane factors, you know? I mean, going to space and having to deal with Magneto AGAIN. But I totally get your concerns, I hope everything goes okay with you"
>She reads MJ's mind to see how much psychic damage she did
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>>155099514
Use Brand New "Beyond I love you" as a motivator
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>>155098567
why do jeets love this ship?
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>>155099390
I think Jean finds Michelle too inferior to her to ever worry. People are insects to her, simple life forms who exist for her to use as she pleases. I wouldn't even be surprised if she offers to make Michelle do things for Peter, not understanding why Peter would be so outraged at the idea of co-opting another human being's will.
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>>155099543
Can't
I don't really know what love(in a romantic sense) is
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>>155099569
Agreed, to Jean controlling people may feel like moving a limb is for a human. They're there and when you will them to jump, they simply ask "what shark?"
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Tick Tock Peter...
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>>155099620
Nothing to worry about, really
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Hopes for their intetactions in Secret Wars?
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>>155099650
World is breaking apart, Jean is trying to make sense of it and even saves some people following Peter's example.
Still, they lose, world gets reset. After the crisis is averted, Peter is back to school in this new reality, and suddenly Jean arrives to their school, as his new classmate.
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>>155099398
God, I want to lick her hard abs
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Someone asked me what will happen to MJ and Cyclops if Peter is with Jean. Cyclops' is obvious, but I need another answer for Michelle coz the only one I got is that she can fuck off and die.

Wait, there's another. She can be with Paul Rabin.
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Will Emma bully Jean? Tease her about her crush on Spidey etc...
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>>155099650
I can't see Pete not seeing Doom's face at some point in secret wars. Peter will no question have a bad reaction to that. I wantnJean to be the one to support him while he's down.
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My hobbo sociiopathic girlfriend can't be this cute!?!?
>>155099791
Cyclops is gay, I keep thinking they may be "brave and progressive" and let him stick with some fag.
Who is gonna be a fag in the muties? Michelle can have a boring earthly boyfriend, I don't understand why we should care about the fate of any character out there. Hell, she could make a background cameo in one movie pregnant with Paul's kids, who cares.
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>>155098770
Jean and Michelle should beat Peter's shit together
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>>155099823
Yeah, I want Jean go help Peter in some way to mirror the end of BnD. He could also be worried that he won't be able to restore the world and see his friends again, which Jean comforts him over.
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>>155099926
Ignore Michelle, I want Gwen! Blondes and redheads are the hottest
Who would make a good Gwen in the MCU? I would say Emma Stone but she's already occupied. What about Sydney Sweeney?
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>>155099791
To be blunt
Michelle
Is
A
Normalfag
She is not actually important to the MCU in any way. She had a breakup scene in the movie "I don't even know you." She doesn't need to be dealt with. Let Peter move on from his high school girlfriend like a normal human being.
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If she appears in another movie she will need to be nerfed back to her earlier settings
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>>155099650
>Emotionally supporting each other while the world breaks apart
>Give each other hope in their darkest time
>Eventually have to split regardless
>Alone and vulnerable, Peter goes looking for more power and finds the Symbiote, while Jean stumbles upon a Phoenix Egg.
>They see each other (without the other knowing) after the world is put back together, but, wishing to spare each other their new condition, decide not to engage. (This comes back to bite them of course)
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>>155099858
>Who is gonna be a fag in the muties?
You know, come on.
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>>155099963
Her nerf comes in the form of becoming a moralfag thanks to Peter's influence and not wanting to pull the harmful shit she did in BND
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>>155099816
Did Jean ever make money like this?
https://youtu.be/X2NtAP9-o4s
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>>155099987
Nooooo don't ruin /ourgirl/ like that! I want her to remain a sociopathic rapist with no moral center who holds back barely and usually doesn't.
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>>155098770
I wanna see those two scissor
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Need a scene in the x-men movie where Jean is in the dumps, then she sees Spidey on the news and spurs her into becoming a hero

And also buying spidey merch
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>>155100037
Too bad she got uncle ben'd during her mind sex with Peter. It's too late she's caught the moralfag.
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>>155100066
Imagine if they turn her into a quippy girl boss. Worst fate a marvel character can get
>>155100043
Same!
>>155100052
I want to see her attempting this "hero thing" and be utterly awful at it. Struggling like Peter did when he tried interrogation mode and not realizing how easy it is to go overboard given her abilities.
Would be so fun to watch her try and fail at heroics, and be amazed by how Peter makes it look so easy
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>>155099958
While I understand wanting to keep Zendaya and Holland together, I think the best way forward for Michelle and Peter is to remain as just friends. MJ basically got her closure with Peter's letter already. At this point Ned is more of a love interest than MJ.
While I'd prefer if Jean was Peter's love interest in the future, as long as they have good chemistry and the love interest is an actual character instead of a plot device it'll work better than Michelle.
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>>155100097
Will be funny if Peter struggled with interrogation mode because he isn't intimidating enough while Jean will creep people out for being too intense and not inspire trust in people.
Perfect reflection!
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I NEED Jean to still be the kind of girl who will throw innocent people into traffic for her goals.
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>>155100234
This. I mean Frank can get along just fine with Peter so to Jean given her abilities it should be even easier.
She should be the one to "send to Belize" the villains who are too far gone for Peter to reform.
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>>155100228
Bad cop peter and good cop jean sounds fucking horrible but I need to see it
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Stop wanting to make Jean a tradwife, don't remove her charm
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>>155100304
Exactly. Spending a cute afternoon with Jean, preparing molotov cocktails~
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Okay but like she can't be a terrorist forever, she has to de-autism at some point if she wants to be an X-Man and also keep Peter at her side
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>>155100330
When is Peter going to offer sour patch kids to Jean?
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>>155100043
>>155100097
No Epstein
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>>155100228
An interrogation scene in which bad guys decide to go with Jean, knowing that she can lobotomize them with her mind, instead of going with the man that can summon spiders, since Jean put the rumor around concerned that no one was being intimidated by Peter.
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>>155100304
Even if Jean wanted to do good she would be ruthless. Also her confidence would waver when it comes to Peter. He would chastise her and she would insult him then they make up by cuddling or going on a interesting date or Peter uses his webshooter to satisfy her.
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Take your sick incest shit back to Alabama, you inbred hick.
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>>155099956
Taryn Marie Butler Aka the Apartment girl. They hired a beautiful blonde girl so you might as well just go with it
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>>155099968
Since this is the big multiversal nonsense, the FoXmen are getting their send off and Sony has put the Venom series in the grave with ASM. I kind of wish Disney and Sony could work it out and have Tom Hardy to do a jobbing scene in secret wars where Peter gets the symbiote from him.
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>>155100330
>>155100352
>[Lean in]
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>>155100382
Namefag, you don’t understand, the OP is poking fun via counter culture. The fact that you recognized this is incest, means you seen it. You like incest don’t you, Namefag
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>>155100304
While I don't see her becoming a tradwife, BND Jean is only angry, bitter and desperate because she's looking for her kidnapped sister, the only thing she has in the world. That's not necessarily her "real" personality.
Clingy to people who show her affection due to mommy issues, maybe.
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>>155100395
sonyflopverse venom should stay dead and a new venom should be introduced because otherwise its just retarded. there should be zero connection to that series of failures
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>Jean that disheveled and obviously sweaty
>Living on the run so not always able to bathe
I want a stinky hobbo telepathic girlfriend so badly, anon!
>>155100343
Fuck the x-men! They can go to hell for all I care! She does need to be a little less overly evil at least in Peter's presence though
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>>155100395
Meg, Venom was hard to get through. I’d rather Daredevil show up. Tom Holland did say they want to tell street tier stories.
>>155100503
Agree, I personally cannot stand Venom anymore. Knull shit was super bad, MJ venom was worse, and whatever the fuck going on with carnage in Asgard.
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>>155100439
I think having (1) person she likes and knows likes her until she opens up to peers at the X Institute would still make her untrusting. It's one thing to know there's a good person that exists in Peter Parker but she might think other mutants are inherently prone to her previous extreme behavior. Basically Jean would assume the other mutant students at the Institute are from a broken home life or at one point were abandoned. The only person Jean knows who has a big heart and had a loving parent is Peter. It could lead her to hold him up as a standard no one can meet or lead her to constantly obsess over him being the one to save her in multiple ways.
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>>155100371
And they'd be right, Peter just like Superman aren't intimidating because it isn't in their personality. They're the inspiring hopeful hero, which makes it ironic since unlike Batman, they have no moral code against killing if necessary. But Jean is better at interrogation anyway, she can just rip the memories straight out of a victim's mind and lobotomize them afterwards to leave no evidence.
She'd be a great detective
>>155100390
Why no Sydney? She got big...talents
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>>155100589
She’s expensive and almost 30. Also she’s too much of a bombshell to play a geeky Gwen Stacy.
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>>155100560
>Fuck the x-men!
I imagine Peter visiting the X Institute regularly and telling her to be friendly would help yet at the same time make her want to create the total fabrication among her peers that Spider-Man is her boyfriend. When they don't believe her she gets extremely defensive telling every girl to not even think about flirting with her Spider.
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>>155100589

Sydney...my love...
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>>155100439
>>155100560
I hope in future movies she's kinda got that Kiryu morality
>kind, polite, helpful, eager to try new things and interact with strangers in a positive way
>but if you fuck with her you can say goodbye to your skeletal integrity
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>Emma flirting with Peter, half-joking and half-serious
>Jean internally seething
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>>155100610
So is Emma Stone and they managed just nicely. Besides if they want to play the adult Spiderman angle (they need to give Tom platform shoes as he's a twink), they need an older actress. Sydney could work just fine
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>>155100610
>geeky Gwen
Michelle Jones is a quirky scientist now. She's more Comics Gwen coded than Comics MJ. Michelle Jones is MCU Peter's Gwen.
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>>155100634
Scottbros... How this affects our legacy?
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>>155100685
Punishment for being disloyal
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How scientifically minded is Gwen? I mean she can pilot tanks but probably never got the chance at a regular education after maybe middle school. Can she endure one of Peter's geek moments?
>>155100677
Gross. At least this Gwen was funny >>155100674
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>>155100677
Would they have the guts to kill her off? I don't think they would. I don't they should.
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>>155100717
Sony did. Then scrambled to undo it...
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Is it too late to add SpiderJean to SecretWars?
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>>155100737
Maybe they stopped filming because they may pivot? Is there hope bros?
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>>155100716
She can gain the skills of people she's controlling, but we don't know if she retains any of it
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>>155100737
>Is it too late to add SpiderJean to SecretWars?
no they haven't even had test screenings yet
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>>155100610
What if Gwen Stacy in the MCU is the actress/super model with the fiery and passionate, party hard personality that hides a very loving and understanding wife underneath?
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>>155100620
>Don't you dare Pe- I mean Spider-Man
>why can't I hug your dorm mate Jean?
>she's a girl who likes borrowing things
>what does that have to do with this?
>your hugs are all mine, and I don't wanna share
>okay...you heard her girls
>I own his arms too, so stop trying to feel his biceps!
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>>155100737
no if it doesn't require too much green screen
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>>155100716
Depends how she holds onto it, is it just in the moment or a transfer of knowladge. Does it last as long as she remembers it, keeping it in mind.

>>155100737
No because they started filming then immediately stopped. Anything could change.
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>>155100737
The writers on secret wars are the same ones as BND

Trvst the plan bros.
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>>155100620
post full

>>155100891
>Jean gets him a big shirt with dozens of pictures of her face all over
>this only makes them do it more

>>155100974
hype building. cute tummy
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>>155100974
>embarrassed Jean
I still think Jean would not at all be embarrassed being a Spider-Man fan considering his popularity. It would be the easiest thing to talk about and use as a connection to her peers at the X Institute.
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>>155101008
>Jean gifts Peter an XMen Sports Jersey
>she hands it off when he is visiting as Spider-Man
>Jean makes him put it on in front of the other mutant students
>she didn't tell him it has Property of Jean Grey embroidered on the back
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>>155101008
>post full
It's just an annoyed Jean
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>>155101025
She would be embarassed to be a spidey fan in front of peter
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>>155101086
kek. I mean its only fair for Peter to get another girl, Zendaya got double penetrated in a movie plus the euphoria stuff, meanwhile he got his bussy plowed by a black man in a show.
For the sake of EQUALITY, Tom has to rail Sadie in a graphical sex scene in the next Spiderman movie!
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>>155086489
>People are monsters. You shouldn't trust them.
>People like us don't get to live a normal life.
>So why don't you just be honest with yourself?
Even at her angriest and post-boost, she still views Peter as "special"/equal and makes time in order to "teach" him these lessons she learned.
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>>155101177
That was really cool, I love when villains actually challenge the heroes in philosophy. That's why Vulture is so remembered
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>>155101145
Speaking of other movies, Telemachus married a magic lady, called Circe. Jean is a major lady. Her powers are mind-altering drafts, poisons, and transformative elixirs.
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>>155099858
>Cyclops is gay, I keep thinking they may be "brave and progressive" and let him stick with some fag
Gay Bobby
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>as an exercise in trust and friendship, the X-Men let Jean into their heads
>Storm seems like a maturing leader but is very arrogant internally, believing herself to be a goddess, mother nature itself
>Emma is a bitch who has no issues abusing her powers, reminding Jean of herself
>Rogue is just very lonely. And horny. She's rather jealous of Jean's power and kinda wishes to steal it for herself so she can experience love through someone else.
>Cyclops seems like a cool, nice guy but deep down he believes mutants are superior and that regular people should thank them for not ruling over them
>Xavier's head seems peaceful and full of ideals but Jean can't help but feel like he's hiding something, that he's hiding something inside his mind
>Jean is still their friend and trusts them enough but is sad that the only pure, warm and loving mind she was in was Peter's, despite all his suffering and loneliness.
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>>155100589
Sweeney Todd can be Felicia
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>>155101095
Why? Why would Jean think being a fan of Peter be embarassing? What in her mind brings out the shame when they had a genuine connection and she knows he's a real bonafide hero? If she's as emotionally stunted, bitter for years as portrayed Jean wouldn't magically become a normal generic girl that gets all flustered around her crush.
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>>155101322
That's why I think even after being "saved" by Peter, she must have a rather cynical view of humans. Most hide their darker thoughts and Jean would be exposed to those from a young age. Probably wouldn't be able to trust anyone but Peter
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>>155101336
It's because of all the shit she pulled towards him anon. She would feel guilt.
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>>155101304
>Cyclops gets into an argument that with Peter over methods
>Cyclops says the only reason you won't listen to me is because I'm gay
>Peter responds Iceman is one my best friends
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>>155101352
>Probably wouldn't be able to trust anyone but Peter
I agree fully. I'm this anon >>155100581
Plus Peter's biggest, most selfish mistake was trying to mess with people's minds on a grand scale. That's something Jean csn relate to and dismiss as a desperate lapse in morals which further instilled him to be a better person.
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>>155100974
Technically but the real good stuff got written by another dude.
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>>155101364
>guilt
That's a huge assumption. She didn't even psychically say goodbye or apologize before leaving him.
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>>155101385
Exactly, besides that, even when he did it, it was because he wanted to protect them. So his mind is pretty good and probably one of the few places she'd stop feeling the rage she's so used to.
Will we get the kiss under the rain scene between Peter and Jean?
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>>155101424
She was busy breathing for him anon
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Best Ship Thread Archives.
From oldest (top) from the newest (bottom):
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154877621
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154893227
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154898929
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154916242
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154933242
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154946039
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154951260
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154956043
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154970202
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154968194
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154975467
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154993551
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154979913
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155008534
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155015786
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155023461
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155032098
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155044388
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155052557
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155071664
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155080946

Been reading a lot of good fics of these two now. So happy that new fics are being churned out everyday for this pairing! Lots of them are genuinely tug at my heartstrings.
Love you anons!
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>>155101448
I thought she was going to give him mouth to mouth to be perfectly honest, same with when she was in his head. I thought they would have made out.
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>>155101409
I fucking kneel to Justin Kuritzkes
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>>155101336
>Peter sees her with rare Japanese spiderman bag charm
>Dies of cringe.jpg
>He focuses right in on it
>Nononowaitwaitwait
>I have merch?!

It's be a pride thing not fangirling
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>>155101471
What do you guys think her response would've been to "you have me"?
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>>155101551
A kiss with tongue
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>>155101551
She ties her hair up, for no discernable reason of course.
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>>155101448
>she was busy
She stopped doing it, boarded a bus, and left. She had an hour of time to use her psychic to apologize and say goodbye. Instead Peter is left hanging. He has no idea if she's a better person, if she even cares enough to feel sorry. It's all up in the air still. You hope Jean becomes better but you don't know for sure.
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>>155101551
She just seemed to be sitting there in silence til the bullet came in, if not for that she probably would've broken off the connection at some point and just gone in for a good hug/cry. The grief for her sister was really starting to sink in.
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>>155101409
>Zendaya brought in own writefag to punch of SpiderJean
It'd be a masterful PR win for her and marvel to run with that
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>>155101526
>pride
Yeah, all the students at the X Institute will be clamoring to hear that Jean Grey is friends with Spider-Man. She could say she saw him fight Scorpion, was saved by him from the Punisher, how she broke him out of the Damage Control facility and saved his life. All this boasting leaving out the details that they were enemies and all the bad things she did of course...
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>>155101602
Jean can bodyhop but I dont think there was any moment where she was able to send thoughts telepathically like she does in the comics. That's why she has to talk through the bodies she posesses.
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>>155101667
Never ask Jean what she was doing in the summer of 2028
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>>155101568
You want Jean to kiss Peter and be all cute. I want Jean to claim Peter's lips forcfully so other girls know not to even try talking to him. We are not the same.
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>>155101602
>if she even cares enough to feel sorry
Peter's last memory before going unconscious is probably himself conforting her while she cries out for him, then he gets informed that she was breathing for him. Given his nature he probably assumes she's in a better mental space now.
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>>155101720
>person cries because the one person cares about them is dying
>automatically assume the person crying is going to think morally from now on
A dangerous belief. It could backfire in no time at all. If Peter died Jean might go nuclear all over again. If Spider-Man disapears or is captured Jean might go ballistic in searching for him. Peter hasn't taught her to be a good person yet. All she has is a little bit of empathy. You're letting your hope blind you.
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>>155101765
>You're letting your hope blind you.

yes, i believe jean can be a hero
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>>155101370
Let's be real, Jean would turn Bobby straight to avoid the possibility of him falling for Peter since they are friends
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>>155101789
Remember, Rogue was a villain in her first appearance. If she can become a hero, why not Jean.
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>>155101792
>avoid the possibility of him falling for Peter
Jean knows Peter isn't gay. Don't tell me every guy is straight until someone comes along and turns them gay. Peter isn't even bicurious. She wouldn't see gay Bobby as a threat. Now any girls of the darker complexion at her new mutant school...
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>>155101765
>Jean might go Phoenix crash out if anything happened to Peter
...based?

Peters exact words on Jean are "we were wrong about everything" then he talks her down from the moral brink of killing the guy who murdered her sister. First question is if she escaped and is glad she did. It could throw spiderman for a loop if she isn't a good guy now like he thinks but she's Jean grey and they're making another Xman reboot, you do the math there.
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>>155101818
>she can become
Stop skipping ahead. Jean isn't a hero yet. She has to LEARN saving people for the sake of it and caring about the people you save are not the same thing.
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>>155101792
If IceFag tried to ruin my ship, I'll personally behead him
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>>155101846
>if she isn't a good guy now
She is not. Even by the end of BND her only good deed is saving Peter and not murdering Metzger. This can be interpreted as saving the person who cares about her, not an entirely selfless act. Jean Grey is still selfish and probably will STILL have a hard time connecting with people OTHER than Peter. Jean has not shown her nice side nor shown guilt for harming all those innocent people she mindjacked or hurt as of yet.
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>>155101904
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>>155101923
>Bobby's face after Jean saw him grope Peter's butt
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>>155101789
>>155101858
>>155101818
Why do you ask these rhetorical question? This is not an romance erotica thread, it's a comic thread. Boys inherently like Superheroes, and making Jean a superhero is obvious as thing can be. Unless you're a woman, I don't see your argument for Jean to stay as a grungy wanderer. I have to admit, Jean has been popular symbol for girls as of late.
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>>155101915
>She has to be redeemerino'd because... She just has to ok?!
This is the start of a brand new not gay marvel where atonement doesn't require struggle sessions just action. I don't give a shit for or want Jean to speak directly to the 4th wall about how she realizes being an Omega level psychic and violating body autonomy with it is... Le bad! I want her to shoot magneto with the ole Holocaust beam after Spiderman web yoinks his helmet.
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>>155102024
I kinda get his point. Im not opposed to Jean being a hero but the worst thing she can be is homgenized. She needs to retain a little bit of edge lest she become another generic mcu supe.
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What if Jean was like Red Hood
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>>155102024
>for Jean to stay as a grungy wanderer
I want X-Men Evolution Jean minus the dumb Rogue-Scott-Jean love triangle drama bullshit. I want a Jean that can be petty and mean despite being a Xmen "hero" figure. Good girl hero Jean is boring.
>>155102060
MCU Jean doesn't need to explain the lessons learned. I hope she remains ruthless in fights. I simply dont want her to act like her boring ass comic counterpart ever even after joining the MCU Xmen.
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SpiderPhoenix has more followers than Tom Holand fanclub.
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>>155102235
Tom Holland has no drama in his life. His marriage is going smoothly, he's in plenty of movies so his career is fine, and he ain't having a kid. He doesn't have any strong political views. There is nothing to talk about.
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>>155102257
I need Jean to remain this cocky when she's an X-Man. This is honestly how you do the overconfident female character
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>>155102310
>Overconfident
Is she was aware of Frank's position she could've stopped that big bullet with her new telekinetic power.
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>>155102327
She was too distracted by Peter's massive heart
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>>155102130
Sorry, anon. Since it's set in stone Jean will be part of the MCU Xmen you can't desire her to be a vigilante unless you're a woman. Pack it up.
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>>155102340
>no, no, stop letting me in Peter
>don't say it!
>FUCK HE SAID I HAVE HIM
>now I'm going to be playing this moment in my head over snd over forever you dumb jerk!
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>>155102365
Are the X-Men not vigilantes?
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Haven't been here since a bit after the film came out, surprised to see this is still going
I'm almost proud of you
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>>155102566
>semantics
According to >>155102024
Only women want to see Jean try her hand at a solo vigilante routine before meeting Xavier. Totally not a sexist thing to say at all.
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>>155102569
This ship has been the only interesting thing mcu got in years
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>>155102569
BND did leave quite the strong impression, Peter and Jean's character work well in the movie, the ship has a VERY emotional scene to back it up and it's the first time in years where people are activelly enjoying a Jean adaptation, since she's usually just there being pretty.
Although on rewatch I thought Peter's friendship with Frank was actually the best part of the movie
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>>155102365
>>155102659
Yes.
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>>155102670
>the only interesting thing
It doesn't help the last several years Michelle Jones was his placeholder love interest because she's so smart and snarky and capable. Yawn.
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>>155102719
>drunkard that actively tackles a girl to stop her so a murderer can continue his killing spree
>same thing as Jean Grey going after organized crime
Supergirl is just badly written. The solo super heroine with grey (lol) morality isn't inherently a bad concept.
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>>155102728
The fact that even in this movies she gets a scene to be a girlboss is crazy.
Maybe that's why I like Jean. She was badass, she tricked/beat Peter but it wasn't girlbossing because "she is a woman who needs no men". She was badass Ripley style but like a good villain. Not your local Karen. When it comes to it, she was vulnerable and human just like Peter.

"MJ" meanwhile looks like she wants to be anywhere but here and had more chemistry with Frank than she did with Peter. (The fact that people joke that " bros before hoes" is true because Ned seems to remember him but not MJ makes it even more hilarious)
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>>155102693
Frank was fucking peak and him choking up at telling Peter about his bravery was kino.
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>>155102789
Superheroes is a boys hobby.
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>>155102235
that's not followers/subscribers, currently SpiderPhoenix(15k) sits at about half of TomHolland (30k)
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>>155102840
Ah, so this is a sexist argument. Against men. Men want Jean Grey to do cool stuff on her own instead being tied down to the Xmen. The Xmen suck.
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>>155102928
get this shit out of here
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>>155102993
what's the matter chud, afraid of a non-heteronormative straight couple?
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>>155102981
The x-men was literally the most sold comic in the 90s. You're a tourist that do not know common facts.
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>>155103021
>clings to the 90s
It's been 26 years since the 90s ended. The Xmen have sucked for over two decades. The people in charge of MCU Xmen are going to suck at adapting them just as badly.
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>>155103021
and the last year the cowboys won the super bowl was '96, it's been 30 years get over it.
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>>155102928
>>155103015
Didn't your tranny thread get pruned? You know a repeated offense can get you another vacation
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>>155103015
Not him, but wouldn't this just make Peter the world's best manic pixie dream girl?
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>>155103072
good thing I didn't make a thread that got pruned chud
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>>155103063
Spider-Man also sucked for that amount of time.
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>>155103094
Are you done?
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If they put Jean and Peter together I will buy all the merch of them. I know someone from Disney or Sony is reading this too.
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>>155103096
Spider-Man comics sucked. Not Spider-Man movies. Also the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon came out in 2008 and was great.
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>>155103124
Sorry anon, Spider-Phoenix merch is exclusive to Disneyland couples night. You do have someone you can go with right?
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>>155103093
>Spider Woman
>lonely
If a lonely Spider Woman was written with "modern script writing" then she would be some slut that has one-night-stands every couple weeks. Taking stranger cock while "dreaming" if Michael Jones her one true love.
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>>155103145
X-Men 97 is pretty popular. That's why there a new emergence of CYKEfaggots. I want Peter and Jean to be together, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
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>>155103174
Of course that's why I brought my sist- girlfriend.
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>>155103207
>XMen 97 is popular
Wow, an Xmen show based on the 90s version of the Xmen comics before all the writing went to shit is popular? Who would've guessed? My point is Spider-Man has had new adapations that changed things and not sucked. XMen 97 is a retread so how does that even count?
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>>155103228
>Real life incest
WEIRD
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>>155103249
My point is that X-Men doesn't suck and have a good fanbase.
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>>155103243
Who is the tall woman in the back of the the biggest fans panel?
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>>155103286
genderbent norman, the artist has a goblin girl fetish
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>>155103272
The fanbase only likes 90s Xmen. Spider-Man has fanbases for the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s 2010s, and the 2020s. The comics got worse for both but Spider-Man evolved in other media. Meawhile every Xmen fan is a 90s fan.
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>>155103305
>ha ha what if Green Goblin was a tall tanned titty monster that is sexually attracted to Peter Parker?
So not Green Goblin at all just an OC using his costume?
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Jean not realizing she's falling in love with Peter so she just acts jealous and possessive when other women flirt with Spider-Man and she can't explain why.
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>>155100097
>quippy
Like Spidey?
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>>155103326
Logan, Deadpool 1/2, Deadpool and Logan. They just got to treat xmen with care and they did good so far by introducing Jean
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>>155103364
>she can't explain why
Or she's aware she loves Peter romantically and knows he's gullible enough to be seduced so until he finally realizes she's the one for him Jean will "protect" him from all these harpies.
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>>155100395
I want a catfight between Julia Carpenter and Black Cat, both played by Sydney Sweeney.
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>>155103207
I'm 34. I watched the 90s x-men series on fox kids. I don't get it at all. The best thing about the show was the cool opening. It ran directly along side BTAS on fox kids and was the way weaker show. The 90s Spider-man cartoon overshadowed it too. At the tale end it was event overshadowed by Stas even overshadowed by STAS on WB kids. Being serious just on fox kids it wasn't even the third coolest hero show. It was BTAS, Spider-man, and fucking Power Rangers in the top 3. Out of the four big cartoon hero shows of the 90s it makes zero sense that the X-men show is the one that got revived. Completely dumbfounds me.
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>>155103381
>good Xmen movies
>lists off movies where most of the Xmen are all dead or never interact with the plot
Nice. I hope the next Xmen movie follows the trend by having most of their cast dead or not appearing too.
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>>155103445
Xmen 97 is the best 80s+90s Xmen COMICS made into an animated show. The revival angle is extremely flimsy.
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>>155103577
Do you even check the thread before posting? See >>155103243
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>>155098567
Offscreen Tobey Spidey was probably doing massive redhead propaganda to Garfield and Holland
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>>155103668
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It seems people didn't like this drawing, I hope to do better next time.
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>>155103381
I just hope they don't push the mutie oppression angle too hard because the general public in the MCU has zero reason to have a fear of mutants specifically when super powered people have been around for ages and mutants had zero responsibility for any of the massive threats humanity has seen so far. Even if Sinister starts the trend, people in the MCU would be able to recognize the X-Men as heroes and wouldn't be so afraid of mutants. Hell, all they need is for Spider-Man to make a speech and the people of New York would probably just embrace the mutants
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>>155103668
>Tobey's Spider-Man sees Jean and Peter together
>"Wait, is this Mary Jane? Did you find someone new? Like are you two dating?"
>Tom's Spider-Man gets flustered while Jean Grey looks intently at him and waits for his answer
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>>155103698
It is cute!
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>>155103668
Wasn't Pepper supposed to be a red head too?
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>>155103445
I disagree. The writing was really good and the characters were cool. It had a bit of an edge to it for a kid's cartoon at the time. Seemingly killing Morph at the start being pretty impactful from the start. We got a lot of classic Claremont stories adapted as faithfully as we could hope for.

Classics like Storm battling the Morlocks, Dark Phoenix, multiple time travel stories like Days of Future Past with a dark apocalyptic future hellscape. Logan being as implicitly violent and badass as standards would allow, and unveiling his dark backstory before Marvel ruined and overexplained it. Most memorable and iconic portrayals of Jubilee, Rogue and Gambit we've ever gotten. The melodramatic stories of oppression felt meaningful at the time especially to kids watching. We got stories focusing on every character's backstory and even more obscure character focuses like Starjammers, Longshot, Alpha Flight, etc. The character designs were also great, everybody was sexy with peak human physiques.

I agree BTAS was great, I could see putting that higher. Spider-man was good but imho not as good. The art seemed less detailed, etc. I also don't see how you can even put Power Rangers in the same ranking. It was very much cheesy little kid shit although I guess in retrospect I can enjoy the cheese.
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>>155103760
>Spider-Man does his Mutants are People Too speech
>reporter from the Daily Bugle immediately calls Spider-Man a mutant fetishist that was seen flirting with Jean Grey
>Spider-Man tries to deny it only for Jean to chime in it's not a fetish if he only has eyes for one mutant in particular
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>>155103698
why's she saying "no u"
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>>155103760
>I just hope they don't push the mutie oppression angle too hard
"Gambit can't even get a job dealing cards on a river boat."
"Because they hate mutants?"
"No, because Gambit has sticky fingers and a wandering eye for bored trophy wives."
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Does a crack ship REALLY deserve a genny?
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>>155103848
It's being astroturfed because Feige doesn't want to do a trans Spider-Man story.
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>>155103848
Half the active threads on /co/ are simply excuses to dump softcore porn art. Nothing wrong with this.
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>>155103891
>tranny can't come up with an original tranny superhero that people like beyond identity politics
>tries to steal the superhero everyone loves
You're a clown.
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>>155103787
>Andrew sees Jean
>Assumes Ned became a villain like Harry and killed MJ
>Andrew hugs Tom and tells him it's okay that he found new love
>Tom is confused while Jean is enjoying the show
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>>155103944
and a nigger don't forget nigger
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>>155103891
The shitty Petra meme came out nearly a full month after BND. There is no correlation.
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>>155103833
Sorry anon, I meant to write "Nope," but I was drawing at 2 a.m. and my brain thought "Nou" would work too.
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>>155103828
Bro, you're entitled to your opinion on the show itself. I would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy it as a kid. The problem is it as a distant fourth in hero cartoons for me. I'm not going to argue opinion over what is better between Spider-man and X-men cartoons in the 90s.
BTAS being king, I don't really think anyone other than a major fanboy of Spider-man or X-men can argue with. BTAS' success spawned a theatrical movie and more importantly the DCAU. Mind you, it started by piggy backing off the Keaton Batman movies. Batmamia was the highest it had been since the 60s. All that said anecdotally none of my friends had large collections of xmen toys compared to the other major heroes. Maybe things where different where you lived.

>I also don't see how you can even put Power Rangers in the same ranking. It was very much cheesy little kid shit although I guess in retrospect I can enjoy the cheese.
As for why the live action little kids show has to go on the list, it is flat out a super hero show. There's no way around this fact. Also, I was literally a little kid at the time. The campy karate giant robot show with Japanese stock footage was a toy selling hero show was directly competing with the cartoons super hero shows for my attention, and did a damn good job of competing. When I went to toys r us and got my parents to by me a toy, power rangers was right next to the cartoons as one of the choices for me. Not mentioning at all would be me intentionally discounting it. Also like Batman it was popular enough to produce a theatrical film, really two with the crappy turbo movie.

I'm almost thinking you're older than me, and thus had a slightly different experience with the shows then I did.
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>>155098567
>Cast British white male
>Cast American white girl
> Make American movie
>Inject shitty ass rule breaking offtopic anime in OP pic completely race swapping them to japanese characters from 顔に出ない柏田さんと顔に出る太田君
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>>155103347
To be fair, we had all kinds of female versions of X in Marvel Comics with different motivations and behaviors, including Doc Ock. Is it strange to imagine a Female Green Goblin obsessed with Spidey in the other way?
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why is everyone (including Peter) glossing over the fact that she possessed that old man in the middle of the film and forced him to get run over?

pretty severely fucked up
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>>155104909
MCU Peter is friends with the fucking Punisher
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>>155104909
Because that and using an old lady to drive the tank are the only two problems I have with how they handled Jean in this movie, and as such I just file them away as "yeah it's bad writing" and move on.
The tank should've been driven by a member of Damage Control that she took over at a different location, and she should've just stopped possessing the dude instead of walking him out onto the street.
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>>155104909
Yeah, Peter is all about great gifts and having g great responsibility. Their philosophies are incompatible
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What costume should she wear in the X-Men movie?
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>>155104909
>>155104936
The bigger question is why Peter didn’t just web pull the guy out of incoming traffic.
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Jean telling Kitty to stay the fuck away form her man.
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I like the characterization of Jean as someone who doesn't care about hurting innocents because she doesn't view humans as decent people. I think that is difficult to unpack for a redemption story. You have to make her utterly fucked in the head like Gaara to pull it off
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>>155104968
The Mangavetse designs are great, it's too bad the actual story and interior art of Mangavetse is completely awful and made up of anime tropes from people who don't like Anime
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>>155098567
Is this Kao ni Denai Kashiwada-san to Kao ni Deru Ōta-kun? Why shill it here?
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>>155104968
Imagine either of the big two releasing a comic like this now
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>>155104587
Not my problem that Jean and Peter are sibling af.
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>>155105102
Zendayatroon…
Scottsissy…
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>>155103787
>"What? No, she's Jean and we're no-"
>Tom's Spider-Man takes a short look at the silent Jean Grey
>She still has that blank face but now seems to be looking down, as if ready for disappointment
>"We actually just met a while ago so...."
>Jean quickly looks back up with energy in her eyes
>"Oh I see, seems like you kids are taking it slow, that's great!" which Tobey's Spider-Man responds back with.
>Jean Grey moves closer to Tom's Spider-Man and says "Yeah, we've known each other for a few months now technically...."
>She playfully taps and rests her finger on Tom's Spider-Man's head, "I've actually been inside this dumb brain."
>"Huh, well seems like you guys are taking it very slow!"
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I remember when Raven Symone said she doesn't want Raven Baxter to canonically be gay because then she's turning the character into herself.
I wish Tom Holland and Zendaya had that mindset
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Binding one of the X-men permanently to Spider-man is a horrible idea thatnwould ruin both sets of films just for romance
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I just rewatched the movie, I want to give all my money to Marvel provided they make PeterxJean canon!
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If they actually do get together in a later movie it would be too satisfying for my brain
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>>155105419
Welp, I thought I was just getting over this ship, but after rewatching the movie, here we go again~
>I know love through knowing loneliness
>Using all five senses, saving you
>Means saving me too
>After all, we're just people connecting

>Beyond an "I-I-I-I love you"
>I'm not alone anymore
>Clear the darkness by being upbeat
>I hold your words in my heart, yeah

>(Beyond an "I-I-I-I love you")
>(I'm not alone anymore)
>(Clear the darkness by being upbeat)

>And when the wounds in my heart have already started to hurt
>What will you save with this sacrifice?
>It's all completely inevitable
>My righteousness lies here

>Breathe, be aware
>That the cruel pain of living has a meaning
>While believing at the same time
>That nothing can be done
>And I fight again today

>Take me by surprise
>I just keep myself updated
>I sing and swing in the rain
>I hold your words in my heart

>A dream of a person wrapped in a cocoon
>Shaking hands with hope
>Looking in the mirror once again
>At a brand new me

>Beyond an "I love you"
>I'm not alone anymore
>Clear the darkness by being upbeat
>I hold your words in my heart

>Take me by surprise
>I just keep myself updated
>I sing and swing in the rain
>I hold your words in my heart

>Beyond an "I love you", ooh
>I'm not alone anymore
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>>155105090
To be honest, comic art are fine depending on the artist they are allowed per issue. For example, Dan Mora and Carlos Gomez make gorgeous women and men, but if you’re stuck with John Romita Jr and Frank Quitely, you’re fucked
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>>155105623
This is what Jean Grey looks like in Romita and Quitely art style
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>>155105672
That's some nightmare fuel right there.
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"It's a nice letter" was Jean's version of "Well played", because she could've done a lot worse with that letter on her hand.
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How many times do you think Jean will have to borrow MJ’s body before Michelle starts to subconsciously think of herself as nothing but clothing for Jean to wear
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BIG BROTHER Peter is about to hear SO MUCH on how Scott is a BIG OLD JERK
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>>155103698
It's cute anon
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I like to imagine Jean going on a date witih a guy, the date being awkward, and she erases the guy's memory so she can redo the date.
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Yandere Jean
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>>155105672
Jeanivanovanova Geyovovovovich lookin ass. looks like both parents were named Helga

>>155105740
depends on how worthless MJ feels so if she got dumped it would set in faster
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>>155099398
Peter and Jean would bond through their passion for fitness. Zendaya just diet and doesn’t work out outside of yoga
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>>155105864
Tom and Sadie*

Sorry, these actors ARE their character it’s hard to separate them now. Method acting is too good
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You know how Spider-Man 2 had it so Peter's life was going down, while Mary Jane's life was going up? Then Spider-Man 3 had it so Peter's life was going up, while Mary Jane's life was going down. They shouldmake it so Peter and Jean are having a wonderful time, while things are going to shit for Michelle.
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>>155105829
>depressed MJ begging Jean to possess her, unaware that Jean has been intentionally triggering dopamine spikes to get MJ addicted
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>>155103445
I'm 36 and didn't like the spiderman cartoons. The X-Men one was THE absolute goat back then. I couldn't wait to watch it. And xmen didn't have any recent cartoon series right now unlike the other ips
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Jean Grey’s favorite MCU minds to hop into and why
>Peter Parker 10/10. It’s nice, warm, loving and an inviting place to be
>MJ. Pretty boring but easy to break into and good for messing with Peter
>Scorpion. Not as good but he’s fun to play with as a flesh puppet, especially for fights.
Speculative
>Carol Danvers: flying is really fun and her previous brainwashing by the Kree makes her easy to control
>Kamala Khan: Kamala’s endless enthusiasm for superheroics makes her immediately trust Jean. Being in her brain is like getting licked by a puppy
>Daredevil: overall not fun for most activities, but his mind is optimal for listening to music
>Yelena: easy information lets Jean keep up to date on everything secret
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>>155104909
This is why they can't be a couple. MJ would never kill anyone
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>>155106148
X-men 97 is literally nothing the fuck out of caped crusaders
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>>155106233
Mogging*

Left thumb got hurt today
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>>155103668
Imagine he was saying it like raimiposting uncle Ben.
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>>155103228
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>>155101717
>You want Jean to kiss Peter and be all cute.
No, what I want is for Peter to unleash half a decade of pent-up sexual aggression and loneliness into Jean's virgin mutant pussy. It'll start extra rough because of his arachnid mode, but it becomes more and more tender and soft as it goes as he focuses on making sure she has a good time. Her psychic powers will ensure both of them are intimately connected the entire time, sharing every thought and sensation with one another. Nobody will know when Peter begins and when Jean ends. Eventually his webshooter will get super sticky in her V-max, and when she locks her legs tightly around him and their fingers intertwine, he'll be whispering low in her ear that she'll never be alone again before he stares into her joyful, teary eyes with the warmest smile he's ever had before giving her the deepest kiss he's given anyone, his tongue writhing in her mouth like a coked up snake as they simultaneously climax and they start the process of welcoming new life into the world.
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Should Jean and Peter go on a journey together?
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>>155106327
I hated No Way Home so...dunno. Jean has traveled a lot while on the run so it'd be kind of sweet if she is the one to show Peter around and probably knows the seedier places in the city where the most fun is
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>>155106154
What about
>Kingpin
>Jessica Jones
>Punisher
>Dr. Strange
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>>155106378
>Kingpin
Not a nice mind to inhabit
>Jessica
Will actively fight her every second she’s in there
>Punisher
Jean is uncomfortable in his mind in the movie. Even deflecting from the trauma the instant she enters
>Strange
Do you want Jean to get lobotomized by daemons?
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>>155106154
>Yelena: easy information lets Jean keep up to date on everything secret
should have been best source for all the latest Spider-Man porn
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>>155106392
>Not a nice mind to inhabit
I mean in comics he has massive willpower as massive as his muscles and balls. But dunno about the series.
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>>155106154
>>155106415
Yelena probably has an anti-telepath protocol due to her experiences in the Red Room.
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>>155102108
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>>155101177
It's also kind of self reflective. She "needs" Peter to understand this because it makes her right and her actions not just excusable, but the only reasonable path.
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>>155106627
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>>155106637
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>>155106648
That must be like cumming on the ice cream kek
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>>155106354
>she tastes it when Peter looks away
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>>155098567
Toomes better be stuck forever in the Sonyverse, cause he's not going to be pleased once he finds out Tom dipped from Chocolate and went back to Vanilla
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>>155103668
How would Jean react to Maguire and Andrew Spidermen?
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>>155106354
>Uh, Jean, why did everyone suddenly clear out of this bar?
>I wanna show you something Peter
>Did you make them leave?
>just for a little while
>...I'll let it slide for now, but you're on thin ice Jean
>check out this restroom, Peter
>why is there hole in the stall wall?
>never seen a glory hole before?
>a glory hole?
>oh Peter you innocent boy...here let me show you how it works
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>>155103243
Ruined MJ with the piercings, decisive Jean victory
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>>155103243
Why do people keep putting MCU Jean with comic characters
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Is Zendaya a good MJ
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>>155107069
I liked her.
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>>155107069
no she's not even a real MJ
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>>155107069
The character she plays is not Mary Jane Watson, so it's a trick question
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>>155106896
kek I want Jean to take my hand as she guides me through the stairs to adulthood!
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>>155106896
why the fuck would jean know what that is?
does mcu peter really like sluts?
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Who will be the big bad of the Mutant Saga? Sinister or Magneto or will it be Apocalypse or Onslaught etc?
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>>155107214
>Who will be the big bad of the Mutant Saga? Sinister or Magneto
I don't know about big bad but Sinister has already been cast
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>>155107188
Because she has been swimming through lakes of filth inside the minds of everyone including 4channers. Jean may be a virgin in body but mentally she has the mind of the average /d/egenerate.
And that is hot because she will try to show him only to become red like a tomato and suffer instant loss the moment she tries to actually put it into practice with her real body.
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>>155107069
She can easily be MJ but the people responsible for the MCU are idiots
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zendaya is a great mj because she perfectly captures mj being a boring drama magnet who only exists to make peter suffer
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>>155107225
Wonder if he'll be a one off or they'll keep him around

>>155107214
They seem to want to do things we haven't seen yet so Onslaught could be a good choice
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>>155107245
Agreed. MJ has been pretty boring and it's better if the heroine can actually meddle with Peter's superhero life. Jean is far more interesting
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Will we ever get Spider-jean even if its just friendship? MCU? Cartoon? Comics? Anything?
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>>155107296
Isn't Jean notorious for being one of the most boring X-men?
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>>155107296
Not this version, which is great. Didn't you watch the movie?
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>>155107366
I'm guessing you replied to the wrong comment
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>>155106997
because comic Jean is an irrelevant character to spider-man romance and MCU MJ just isn't a character.
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>>155107407
Oh you're right, meant for >>155107356
Comics and cartoon Jean has always been a prima dona and a simple good girl. MCU Jean is like her Phoenix side took over and has an actual story, so she doesn't need to play second fiddle to Scott or the others
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Some rumors regarding Secret Wars, doesn't seem like Peter and Jean meet up
>Jean Grey and the Young Avengers embark on a journey across Battleworld and arrive in a mutant domain, where we meet new mutants and see interesting cameos. Jean receives a power-up.
>Speed and Kate Bishop will have a love-hate relationship in Avengers Secret Wars.
>Kamala and Spiderman Tom Holland are good friends; before the groups separate for their missions in Battleworld, the two share moments of the old world.
>Tom Holland and Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man embark on a journey to New York (Battleworld), have a cameo with the Defenders, and encounter a version of Miles Morales and Spider-Gwen. Tom Holland's Spider-Man finds the symbiote here in this city.
>Spiderman tobey maguire, hugh jackman embark on a journey to find god loki. Among the stories it is said that he was dead but resurrected but has lost his memory. Spiderman and Wolverine already knew Loki, he saved them from the incursion of Sam Raimi's world.
>Tobey and Hugh find Doom's prison, there's Steve Rogers, Sentry and someone else...
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>>155107606
Unfortunately it makes perfect sense for MCU Peter to be close friends with Kamala
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>>155107366
missionary for the sole purpose of mutual pleasure
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so basically beastboy and raven but for marvel
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>>155107666
>so basically beastboy and raven
no not really
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>>155107606
fuck
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its naruto and sasuke but for marvel
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Peter feels nothing for Jean and solely wants MJ's untrimmed outie
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>>155107754
rogue loves scott who only loves jean who only loves peter who only loves mj who only loves her boyfriend
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>>155107606
>doesn't seem like Peter and Jean meet up
It's so over...
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>>155107606
They are still writing the script so if they're smart, maybe they will make it so that Peter and Jean are overjoyed to find each other in Secret Wars. They might also share a sweet moment that borders on possible romance to test the waters and see the audience's reaction.
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>>155107754
Jean feels nothing for Peter either. They'd have to retcon that Jean has incest feelings for her sister and is lesbian and has the hots for Aunt May in order for the being in love with Peter to make sense
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>the line of superheroes that produced logan (2017) also produced spiderphoenix
how does marvel do it
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>>155107880
They are not going to hint a possible romance with a minor and an adult
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Jean Grey isn't a minor
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>>155107952
who's the minor
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>>155107952
>They are not going to hint a possible romance with a minor
Feige told you retards Peter and Jean are basically the same age
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>>155105829
>Both parents were named Helga

Criminy, don't insult me!
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>>155107606
Well, they are writing the script, so anything can happen or change in the meantime, also there are no leaks like Doomsday got, since there are only rumors a lot could false like the popular rumors in Doomsday like Doctor Doom was a variant of Iron Man while the leaks said he wasn't.
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>>155107965
You can't be an adult and be in foster care. Her sister is in foster care 3 months ago. She's the younger sister of her minor sister
>>155108076
Isn't Feige a hella old guy? Of course 6 year gap is considered "similar" to him. But being an actual 24 year old. That's too old to be interested in a minor. Feige clearly isn't talking about fucking
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>>155108133
Jean was in foster care. Her sister was eighteen in the flashback and trying to convince Jean to run away with her. Jean was at least eighteen by the time she met a twenty-three-year old Peter Parker. If you think eighteen-years-old girls don't date guys in their twenties you're delusional.
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Extended foster care exists which allows you to stay until 21 (or even 22,) doesn't seem like she has anywhere else to go either. Most I would say it's sort of ambiguous right now, but with what Kevin Feige said I'm willing to believe she's like around 19. Maybe she had her 18th birthday two months ago?

Also not sure what this "foster care" actually looks like, could be Mutant or X-Men related.
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>>155108188
That's only if the parents are dead or murderers when the sister is 18, then can she have extended foster care. That's too much assumption. They were both sent away. So it's obvious they are both minors. If they wanted to say the, sorry I forgot what the fuck her name was-sister, was at 18, then they should have just said only Jean got sent away and not both. And just have the older one kicked out of the house
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>>155108133
you can be in foster care until 21
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>>155108168
>she was in and out of foster care, psych hospitals, and then eventually she ran away and dropped off the grid
straight from the movie, so there's the timeline foster care -> psych hospitals -> off grid -> sister captured
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>>155108280
>That's only if the parents are dead or murderers when the sister is 18, then can she have extended foster care.

Not true at all, there are others reasons people get into foster care (and possibly extended foster care down the line.) One reason is if the parents are just simply unfit. Also I don't fully remember what was mentioned in the movie regarding both sisters' situations, but maybe the parents are dead. Otherwise, you're muted.
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>>155108280
There's also the whole blip situation where maybe Sara was older but she bliped and Jean didn't but they still refer to each other as Sara being older and Jean being younger. I believe The actress that played Sara is only 16 and she probably filmed that scene last year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivia_Booth-Ford

You guy are reading way to much into this Ariel was 16 during the little mermaid. Who gives a shit if Jean's 16 or 17. It would be dumb to send her off to Xaviers school for gifted youngster and by the time she gets there she ready to graduate unless they're going to make it a college or make her a teachers assistant or something or make her get held back a year.
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>>155105306
My main reason of opposing Peter and Michelle. That being said the edits of Tom and Sadie can be cringe and only gives ammo to the haters to oppose the ship.
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>>155108383
>Guys I just realized all the characters at Xavier's school for gifted youngsters who constantly hook up are all adults or it doesn't make sense... but that doesn't make sense?!

It's almost like the "school" is always a loosely cobbled together front for the Xmen and to protect vulnerable mutants or something.
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>>155108336
The sister was captured two years before the movie starts. It says that on the screen in big letters when it shows the flashback of Jean's sister being captured. If your argument is that Jean was sixteen when her sister was captured and two years later Jean meets Spider-Man then Jean meets Spider-Man when she's eighteen.
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>>155108383
The Xavier Institute is for mutants of all ages. It's a privately owned institution.
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Why the fuck do people on Twitter/Threads call SpiderPhoenix shippers larpers?
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>>155108522
They dont want the ship and want to make hating it into a moral thing
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>>155108530
And I noticed most of them are the younger Gen Zs too.
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>there's a edgy girl in the Dispatch video game who used to be a villain
>starts having doubts because of the player character
>becomes a full-on hero if you romance her
>most players picked her against the basic blonde bitch
>Dispatch made all the money and got awards

They're SO close to having the same level of success with this ship.
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>>155108742
>are you a man dreaming that you're a spider?
>or a spider dreaming that he's a man?
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>>155107069
Her character is fine but so far removed from comic MJ the comparison is absurd.
Tbf Mary Jane's rep absolutely crashed with Tobey's trilogy and never quite recovered, even her vidya incarnation is annoying af
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>>155108882
I honestly think it's just too many people are afraid to write "the girlfriend" character. Pretty much everything about modern MJ, that isn't just wacko OMD leftover Eltingville editorial nonsense, feels like people going "well, she can't JUST be his girlfriend, that's sexist! Quick, come up for something for her to do and a bunch a lines where she establishes she doesn't need Peter and she has her own life!"

Like, who in their right mind would go "you know what this game really needs? Some stealth sections where MJ is getting to the bottom of this!" That's not something anyone thinks. It's something you come up with when you're desperate to come up with something for a character to do to make them seem "substantial."
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>>155109028
>Make game where Mary Jane is an NPC with a day night schedule going to work and socializing and coming home in the open world
>Detailed relationsim elements in apartment and around city
>(You) Choose if, when and how she learns about spiderman
>Suddenly no need for cringe

We have the technology
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>>155107666
If Beast boy was actually a worthwhile character
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>>155109184
Absolutely. It wasn't just that she gave him hope and then took it away. It's that she got even more personal.
>you know MJ would think you were pathetic for thinking this would work, right?
Fucking right in the heart. Jean does what Gobby doesn't.
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>>155109184
>Spider-Man who thought he'd lost all hope loses last additional bit of hope he didn't even know he still had
Peter is a Paragon for letting that shit fly
Why did she have to use tongue tho?
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i wonder if jean would've touched peter's little parker while she was kissing him through mj
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>>155098782
>>155098828
Whedon wanted to do that shit for some reason and was "building" towards that since Avengers 1
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>>155109028
MCU in general hasn't been particularly good with romance.
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>>155109309
The only decent relationship was Tony and Pepper, even if it's classic Boss x secretary.
Cap and Peggy were cute but undercut by his strange attempts to move on
Thor was fine but I feel like they didn't know how to deal with Natalie
Idk wtf they were thinking with Hulk
Hawkeye worked for what it was
The biggest romance besides like that was Wanda and Vision, which is weird af, but that's kinda the point.
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>>155108742
What a brat, spider-man should have tagged her sooner and give her a good ol ol smooching
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>>155108551
From other countries even. The social rejects of their generation
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Hollywood and western media in general cannot comprehend the concept of gap moe. It's either badass girlboss or tradwife or something the range between them. Jean will probably also fall into that spectrum in future installment when all she need is just to be a kuudere that couldn't hide her smile when Peter is around.
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>>155107958
>>155107965
No, Peter is 22 and 4 months and Jean is 22 and 3 months
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>>155107666
More like Nightwing and Raven
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>>155109335
It's fucking embarassing. Their lack of vocabulary too.
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>>155098669
And Logan masturbating in the bushes. *chef’s kiss*
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>final battle against Onslaught
>all available MCU heroes fighting him
>Jean is breaking down his psyonic barriers and keeping his movement somewhat restricted so other heroes can strike him down
>he goes in her mind and tries to manipulate her as Xavier, telling her she's hurting him, that she should join him instead
>she tells him to get out of her head
>starts showing her hallucinations of people who died in conflicts she was involved with
>all the hero groups she worked with being atomized by his powers
>X-Men being murdered by people on the streets for being mutants
>Jean gets more aggressive with her powers but she's losing focus
>shows her mother abandoning her and Sara
>shows her sister dying inside the Damage Control facility
>her rage goes out of control and she unleashes the massive telepathic field again to control the others to strike Onslaught harder
>since her emotions are all over the place Onslaught manages to get the upper hand
>but he makes the mistake of showing her May dying and saying the opposite of what Peter's mental image said to her
>and then Peter getting crushed by his hands
>Jean locks in, pushes him out of her mind and pins Onslaught down while also breaking apart whatever is left of his armor, leaving his energy form exposed
>Emma and Cyclops finish him off, dispersing him into the void while Storm rescues Xavier
>exhausted and mentally anguished Jean is about to collapse but an unmasked Spider-Man swoops in and catches her
>Jean! Thank god you're ok, you did great, you sa- wait are you crying? What did he do to y-
>shut up Peter
>she attacks him with a tight embrace and a deep kiss in front of everyone and passes out
>Peter is trying to apologize but can't find the words
>Scott looks disappointed, holding his temples trying to make sense out of the situation
>Kamala is freaking out and thinking up a plot for a love triangle fanfic
>Emma losing her shit laughing with Frank
>the others just quietly leave the awkward scene
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>>155109353
It puts a big smile on my face that the third worlders are not only raped by life, but also by social media psyops
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>>155109309
I was more focusing on the wider portrayal of MJ in stuff that has time to get into it. The movies, ironically, don't have as much time so the most they can do is have MJ make caustic comments, but otherwise she's the current version who revolves the most around Peter.

But in the comics, and the games, it's pretty blatant. Just constantly talking about how this isn't about Peter.
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>>155108551
>And I noticed most of them are the younger Gen Zs too.
They're called Zoomers you larping piece of shit, go back to facebook
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>>155109356
Ultimate Wolverine would probably do that considering he was cucking Ultimate Magneto and Ultimate Cyclops. Also he was true degenerate in general.
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>>155109346
>arc where MJ begins to be afraid she's subconsciously using her increased powers to make Peter fall in love with her
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>>155109430
Oops, freudian slip there, huh? Jean obviously.
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>>155109254
She knows mj is a hoe who uses tongue immediately
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I just hope she keeps the hobo look.
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>>155109669
The street tier avengers.
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Here, I wanted to make a bit more quality version of it.
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>>155109719
can the street tier win against a wall?
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>>155107606
>Kamala
>Miles Morales and Spider-Gwen
DOA
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>>155110042
>iles Morales and Spider-Gwen
The Spiderverse made insane bank, what makes you doubt them live action?
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>>155109669
Indeed! She looks so much better with the hoodrat look
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>>155110109
Insane bank is a bit of an overstatement, it did good
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>>155110109
It didn't tho, the first one made less in box office than captain america bnw and the second while making more still made less than thor l&t. There just isn't any real demand for either miles or gwen outside of US
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>>155109184
Fantastic pic, I love it! What other scene would fit? Shotgun kiss? Shame Peter doesn't smoke
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>>155107606
A hello would be nice. I’m honestly sick of Spider-Gwen so just cut her scenes.
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>>155107915
Besides showing everyone that he's Spiderman, I don't know what he should be embarrassed about. It's cute!
I once had a classmate that accidentally showed a picture of her semi-nude with her boyfriend in class. It was hilarious
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>>155107301
She was totally gooning in this scene, right? I mean there's no way she wanted Peter to "touch her" body while connected and feeling everything
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>>155110042
Yeah definitely not gonna watch unless Marvel makes SpiderPhoenix canon
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>>155110109
>insane none of them made a billy
>Shameik Moore is ousted as a creep
>delayed movie
>weakest character in his own movie
>People were expecting Miguel and were lied to
>Miguel is still everyone’s daddy
>trans Gwen
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>>155110042
Kamala can be a fun character but that really depends on whether they go more 'Tokon' or ''Marvel's Avengers' with her. Miles and Spider-Gwen are fucking cancerous blights on the entire Spider-Man mythos and I hope Doom rapes their goddamn corpses.
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>>155109184
Damn brat!
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>>155110042
The girl they got playing Kamala is funny and genuinely enjoys comics, even though I only know her through headlines
>asked if the Marvels bombing concerns her
>"That's Bob Iger's problem."
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>>155110335
>People were expecting Miguel and were lied to
>Miguel is still everyone’s daddy
Where the FUCK is the Spider-Man 2099 movie? And the Cyberpunk Spider-Man game? And the Spider-Man 2099 animated series? You've got GOLD Marvel! Gold! START MINING!
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somebody color her to be Jean
https://xcancel.com/Aethercakes/status/2090373540357066950
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>>155098669
It's funny to me that Aaron Taylor Johnson and Elizabeth Olsen played both siblings and a married couple in two separate movies
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Basically how I picture Gwen and Peter on patrol to be like
https://youtu.be/ykeTrj35wlg
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>>155110495
That's offtopic japanese shit. Let's not give dog whistles to trannies
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>>155110414
I was so devastated. I specifically book a theater ticket and when I saw Miles ugly mug again, I just couldn’t anymore. It made me stop like Spider-Man for awhile.
Tom Holland is my hero for bringing me back to the light
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>>155110552
This previous op art was so ugly. Wish we could just ban all anime art. I don't want shit chibi art
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>>155110584
Good luck getting a girlfriend with that mentality
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>>155110584
get western artists to draw the ship and I will post those but until then
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After rewatching the movie in my movie theater I noticed how Peter was starting to resort to drugs to reduce his headache.
Also Jean's scene while in Michelle's body was really fun, I really hope they don't tone her down and instead keep her as the token evil teammate
>>155110605
No wonder Japan is the greatest country in the world with China a close second now that they're powerful enough to influence Spider x Phoenix while the West stays in shambles trying to push Miles and tranny Gwen
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>>155110597
Why the fuck would I want to date someone with such shit tastes? Dating is already so expensive
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>>155110628
>Japan
There is barely any talk about the ship in Japan. Any non-Western art you see is probably going to be Korean (especially because they love redheads in their webtoons), Chinese, or Phillipino.
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>>155110605
No never
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>>155110658
You’re in a shipping thread about two people in their 20’s. You would think you’d be interested in the opposite sex
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>>155110605
It's insane with so much rule breaking going on. I don't want to resort to filtering my favorite ship
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https://x.com/sinderella/status/2090205417171202459?s=46

>:)
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>>155110672
Jean was just from a psych ward. She's 16
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>>155110688
Congrats, you just distributed content that falls under 18 U.S.C. § 1466A. That's a federal crime
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>>155099819
She'd tease her about him then when she finally meets him will fall heads over heels for him.
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>>155110688
Can't even watch what this is as I don't use xitter
>>155110710
I want Emma to scissor Jean
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>>155110707
Kys
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>>155110659
There’s other social media that Japanese people use. Twitter is their least used. But I’ll play with your rules.
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>>155110748
YES! So cute! Not only that the boorus keep updating MCU Jean Grey art so it at least has moved some artists
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>>155110729
You're the one distributing obscene materials of a foster kid who can't get out of psych ward until of legal age so had to run away
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They should be flirty antagonists towards each other.
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>>155110760
Well we already got that in Brand New Day. Do you mean they continue being antagonistic? Because I think their relationship would develop after Peter literally took a 50 cal for Jean
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79k damn
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>>155110765
I hope they don't put her with Yelena, because she is too old. Definitely no Natasha tier looks wise
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>>155110748
675/1.7k views for one tweet isn't saying that much.
>Twitter is their least used.
It's either twitter or LINE. To be fair, I don't know what the situation is like on LINE, but I can say with certainty that Japanese artists aren't all over it. Otherwise, you'd be seeing those "Do not use my art without permission or for AI training" watermarks everywhere.
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Japanese is not all over it because their highest grossing summer movie is Chiikawa, not Spiderman.
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>>155110815
Chika-what?
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>>155110822
picrel
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>>155110830
Somebody edit them to be Pete/Spidy, Jean and Frank
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Need that lego MCU Jean Grey minifig so I can always put her next to my MCU lego Spider-Man minifig.
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>>155110830
Is this any good?
>>155110850
Great idea!
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>>155111065
For some reason I don't like invisigal while feel really attached to Jean. Not sure if its Sadie or her personality. Didn't feel too attached to Displatch's story
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>>155110774
The irony is that Tom and Florence are the same age. But Yelena is definitely older than him since she was in the 90s.
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>>155109028
>and she has her own life!"
MJ's a model and actress. She has her own life and even goes away for filming, so they don't even need to write her if they don't want to, she could just be away for work. She can support Peter on her own, but he still works because couples support each other and not just monetarily.
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>>155111112
Personally i loved invisigal so once I realized that Jean's story was similiar it all made sense

I do like a good redemption story and it doesnt hurt that theyre both hot
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>>155111210
This what MJ do with “not Paul” for 5 years straight
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>>155110693
See >>155108462
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>>155111054
All we know is that the nips prefer this than Spiderman
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>>155111191
I think it's just that she is like her namesake and looks like a Pug. Not nearly hot enough to be a black widow
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>>155111490
Looks like a kid's show
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What's up with redheads being the hottest girls in any brand? I loved Emma Stone's Gwen Stacy but damn if Nat and Jean aren't super hot
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>>155111597
Redheads are less common which makes them a more desirable. You see every other color constantly. Also theyre just the best.
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>>155111613
What about blue haired girls?
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>>155111576
It’s for women
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>>155110830
Got the characters kek
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>>155110830
Like this, anon?
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>>155111768
they aren't just blobs, chiikawas' have stubby little arm with a big head and square body
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>>155111833
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>>155111846
kek good one. Now do some Jean porn fanart!
>>155111833
Is this like a toy line or like a rival to funkos? I still don't get why this is popular.
At least Precure has little girls in pretty dresses
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Now I know you guys don’t have girlfriends. My girlfriend is obsessed with this stuff. https://youtube.com/shorts/kvDvEvqb1yQ?is=8vUWjAAEeYcrZmKz

There’s already so many resources you can pull from
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>>155111852
>Is this like a toy line or like a rival to funkos?
it's a manga (originally just a cute drawing on twitter), it has merch in the same way spider-man has merch
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There’s even a red haired one
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>>155111865
I got a wife, but she is vapid and only plays games in her phone all day. I tried doing this >>155111851 but it seems I puled too hard and she got angry and hit me.
Also got jealous because she noticed how attached I got to Jean in the movie kek. Saw her staring at me weird when she noticed I have been at the Spider Jean threads for 2 weeks on a row
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How would the story change if Frank learned about Jean's sister and what she was looking for before Peter did?
>>155111885
>it's a manga (originally just a cute drawing on twitter), it has merch in the same way spider-man has merch
Damn! All that from xitter? I should try my hand at that, if it rose that fast, that person probably got rich!
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>>155111909
I’m guessing you’re in your 30’s. I’m in my 20’s so I guess my gf would be into shit like labubu and chiikawas since it in our generation
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>>155111909
>>155112116
You guys have women?
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>>155111655
Lots of fans, but they probably still look too unnatural
Not many living creatures in nature are blue
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>>155112116
You are behind. Labubus are not the craze anymore
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>>155112388
Who else would i go to the movies with
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>>155111317
Chat, this is AI, RIGHT?!
(To be fair, Tom kinda cucked her first with that gay meme scene.)
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>>155112116
Could be the case and yeah, I'm an oldfag
>>155112388
But of course, any Jean x Peter CHAD would have one.
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>>155112388
I have both. But I prefer watching with men. Especially the ones who'd shut the fuck up during the movie and not embarrass me
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>>155112460
>I have both.
???
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>>155108462
>It says that on the screen in big letters when it shows the flashback of Jean's sister being captured.
NTA but I don't remember the flashback having any CCs/letters like that. Did they add it in recent screenings?
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>>155112436
There’s like another that predates it, that’s been trending again, Monchhichi
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>>155111317
Even here I find Zendaya ugly
>>155112460
I am that annoying sadly, I can't avoid spouting facts about the movies and comics. But again, my wife is vapid so she doesn't care much. Had better luck rewatching with my sister who is as much of a nerd as I am
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>>155098567
I honestly don't care.
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>>155112436
...what the fucks a labubu?
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Last one for Jean is amazing!
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>>155112499
Glad I'm not the only one that finds Zendaya fucking ugly as shit
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>>155112598
I mean, she has charisma, but it's not the looks
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>>155112656
Does she? So far in the movies I've had the displeasure of seeing her, she always keeps the same resting bitch face
https://youtu.be/24Re7S4sHjU
Reminds me of that Twilight actress everyone complained about for keeping the same face in every movie.
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>>155112683
>resting bitch face
That IDGF attitude and dark humor, yeah
It works in moderation
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>>155111317
Lets face it, that's what a lot of women go to college for. Peter would do well to exchange the old and busty model for the cute hobbo redhead with a kinky mind but a virgin body.
Jean spent most of her time in the streets on the run so she didn't have time for romance or sex.
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>>155112480
So what I have to find a camrip of the entire movie then take a screenshot of the flashback start and post it here?
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>>155112534
>>155112534
>>155112534
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>>155112755
Not really, but I am curious about it considering that I don't really doubt you, but both my viewing from a while ago and the camrip I downloaded some days ago (which HAS CCs) don't have anything like that.
So I'm curious about how recent that change is.
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>>155108462
>>155112755
When she's in the chair? No it does not show anything of the sort. Its at roughly 1 hour 38 minutes and 30 seconds in.
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>>155111865
I'm having a breakup and part of the reason I support a Peter and Jean is because I desire to move on and find someone better.
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>>155108462
No such thing. So Jean just willingly submit back to foster care and be forced into psych wards multiple times when she's already freely escaped? Makes no sense. There's no screenshot to post about it, because no such text exists



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