Newground animators continue to be fucking lazy as shitCouldn't even ride out the two seasons cause you were expected to work?
>Animated series didn't want to last longer than ORIGINALLY PLANNED because it wanted to keep "le SPARK"
>>155106801Ooh, I know this one.It's Gravity Falls, isn't it?
Where's your show
>>155106754>They are changing the story againThreadly reminder>Warner Bros was to be bought by Netflix, and Paramount made a counter offer Netflix was thought to bid over and win>Suddenly late night same day: They announce they immediately are ending the show>Less than 12 hours later: reports Netflix is pulling out and Paramount will buy themThey got word from someone at WB that Netflix was going to pull out and they made the call to end the show there.
>>155106754Based decision. Every show either becomes bad or ends while it's still good.
Eh there are still Dolly clips
>>155106850And then Cusack has a Netflix show announced a few months later
>>155106754This decision will always be weird to meEven weirder that the rationale keeps being altered>Inb4: you want it to last as long as muh SimpsonsNo, I just think pulling out when you have publicly confirmed two more seasons is weird
>>155106850>>155106876Either Zach and Michael are antisemitic which is a good thing, or Michael signed a contract with Netflix and had to cancel after the buy didn't go through because Zach has no reason not to work with Paramount
>>155106754Better to end on a high note.
>>155106923Antisemitism is immoral and is not tolerated hereYou need to leaveThis is your only warning
>>155106754He just said two conflicting statements. He didn't burnout but he was afraid the show would lose the spark? Is anyone buying these excuses?
>>155106941>High noteShould have ended it in season 1 then. The show was already rotting by s2
>>155106895Reminder that all of Smiling Friends is shorter than a single Simpsons season.
>>155106923It could also be that ParaWarner will have 80 billion in debt and cannot support the funding of their show any further, or would bring new executive oversight they would not want.I do really believe it was because of the Warner Bros purchase by Paramount they pulled out, and they are never going to directly admit that. However there can be multiple reasons why that caused them to pull out
>>155106754How good/bad of a showrunner would pic rel be?
>>155106956Then at least he stopped now?
>>155106945I'm sorry Jon Bernthal please don't tell me something
>>155106989He'd complain about his fibermyalgebra all day and threaten to go in the death pod
>>155106989Look at Brain Dump
>>155106895That's what really fucks with me, if they wanted to end it after three seasons that's fine, but don't do it after signing something saying you agree to two more seasons and after one of your boarders moved to Georgia for the job security brought on by you signing that contract.I feel so fucking bad for Hannah
>>155106989He would've been pretty good back when he used to make Brain Dump, nowadays i wouldn't trust him much
>>155106754You sound jealous
>>155107042VeryI'd give anything to have my own network show
>>155106754If Season 4+ was made, it'd suck and you'd wish they'd ended it on Season 3.They want to do other shit. Let them.
>>155106948Having ideas and actually executing them are two different things. From another interview it sounds like coordinating all the mixed media was a clusterfuck
>>155107058Zach isn't gonna do anything else aside from guest voicing on other showsScreencap thisSF will be the only actual show he'll ever make. Sleepycabin alum are allergic to actual effort. I'm shocked he made it this far. Cusack will keep making shit though
>>155106945Cope
>>155106754Zach has some skeletons in his closet and chose to end his career before he gets witchhunted by chronically online Twitter warriors.
>>155107065How bold of you to assume that.
>>155106754How shit get over yourself you obsessed faggot
>>155106754>Couldn't even ride out the two seasons cause you were expected to work?you just go online and tell lies for fun?>>155106801how long was SF originally planned for?
>>155106754>”Yeah, Charlie. I’m feeling burnt out. I just don’t feel a creative spar-Charlie?”>”Yeah?”>”A-Are you listening”>”What me? Yeah of course, man.”>”Okay, cause it’s just, your own your phone and-“>”Oh yeah this guy’s just messaging me on Facebook marketplace about my Pog collection.”>”Okay, well I’d appreciate it if you put it down while speaking to me.”>”Yeah, Pim this won’t take longer than a minute.”>”Okay, well it just feels disrespectful to do that while I’m talking about my feelings”>”Pim, I can do two things at once, okay?”>”Well to be frank it doesn’t feel like you do anything lately”>”Okay well why is this about me now when you wanted to talk about YOUR feelings?”Yada yada yada get some Chinese animators to fill out the rest. Zaslav can send my check in the mail.
>>155106961Comparing to Aqua Teen Hunger Force, it'd be like the show ending on the Trivia Night episode
>>155106754>Uhh, guys, we CHOSE to end it, and I totally WASN'T fired because the entire show was a failed attempt to ingress upon the ostensibly blue network that airs Rick & Morty with Stormfront politics and see how far I could take humiliating them before I got rekt
This show's entire lifespan existed in the armpit of the Hazbin Hotel production from pilot to series. Zach HAD to bear down on some pseudo-transgressive extremist fundie bullshit to compete with the demon swear show and he still fucked the shit anyway. What an absolute fucking failure.
Kneel
>>155106754>tourist retards who hate everything big mad they can't hate on smiling friends for two more seasons
>>155106895Seriously, it's such a shitty excuse when Zach & Michael were in a unique position where [as] understood easily new Smiling Friends eps wouldn't be possible without their involvement, so they could've easily asked for a deadline extension or a hiatus if the burnout was getting to be too much. At the very least they could've fulfilled their S4/S5 promise and THEN bowed out. But instead, they abruptly put hundreds of people out of work "for the sake of the art" Zach in particular pissed me off in this vid after claiming he learned It's Just A Cartoon™ when the whole reason he ended the show was because he couldn't help but overthink how to meet the alleged "high expectations" of this nonsensical comedy cartoon on adultswim. His fanboys would've easily lapped up anything he made, so I really don't get what the guy was so stressed about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJTJJk9TY6E&t=809s
>>155107053Would you chop your balls off?
>>155106754>small budgetWait, is that why Zach and Mike voiced like 90% of the cast? Because they couldn't afford to hire anyone but their friends?
It'll be brought back a few years down the line
>>155106754>Less episodes than The Brak Show AKA the first Adult Swim show in history to be cancelled
>>155106754>>155106895>>155106850I used to buy into the whole idea that greedy corporations were snuffing out poor creative narratives, but I've come to realize that most of the time the studios are actually very generous. They just expect them to work, have a consistent work schedule and not be blatantly fetishistic. That's it. Like I'm not a fan of Vivzie, but she's literally the only indie animator who's willing to work with the studios and not act like a perpetual whiny loser, and look where she's gotten.
>>155107708>Zach Hadel is better than Vivziepop because...because he just is okay
>>155106989I would call him a Pussy for not doing epic racist scenes that permanently change how a lot of minorities think about themselves>>155107029Keeping your word consistent is a powerful tool
>>155107631Way ahead of you
>>155106754>>155106850>haha oh jeez we suddenly ran out of ideas sorry guys>wait no actually uh it was burnout and maybe we'll return if the buyout I MEAN BURNOUT goes away
>>155107707Based
>>155107701I wish it wouldn't. One thing I can't stand is how EVERY single once-popular IP refuses to stay done. I didn't need Regular Show or Phineas and Ferb to come back, I sure as hell don't need Futurama to return, and all I wanted was a Gumball finale movie to wrap up that cliffhanger ending we were left with. If Z+M are gonna throw their hands up and walk away like little bitches, then I'd rather they dig their heels in the ground and commit to actually saying Smiling Friends Is Over. But with their shitty non-guarantee that the show "could come back in the future," it's stuck in this awkward limbo state rather than feeling truly whole like I'm sure Zach was initially aiming for, the notorious Zombie Simpsons hater he is.
>>155106815>It's Gravity Falls, isn't it?Nah, GF definitely wore out its welcome way before it ended
>>155106850Don't count out the theory that they were pressured out because season 4 was going to tackle censorship laws and would risk being banned in Australia and Canada
Have any of you people who clearly care so much about the show and resent its early cancellation even collected all the production material that's been shared for the unfinished episodes? Let me guess you just want to preted ot have cared for the sake of spamming and shitposting.
>>155106754>Breaking News: Smiling Friends Creators End Series on Their Own Terms Despite 2 Season Renewalwhy the fuck is everyone talking about this again like it's the first time. fuck off with this infinite cycle shit
>40 year old Zach: hey adult swim me and Michael are finally ready to make more Smiling Friends>adult swim: just for you to quit halfway through because you insist on doing everything yourself and inevitably burnout? ha. go fuck yourself. make it on your own time and money. here, you can even take the full rights back, it stopped making money for us years ago, we don't give a fuck
>>155106754>I hate this show so much that I'm mad it didn't continue for longer so that I could shitpost about it getting stale
>>155106754nihilism won??
>>155106754Zach always used to say how if he ever got a succesful show he'd nala quifa it. Why are people surprised when Zach got a succesful show and then proceeded to nala quifa it?
>>155107708>hello fellow art students
>>155107980Making Zach and Michael out to be these wholesome chungus creators who decided to bail because of Ellison doesn't really work when you have Common Side Effects on the same network and none of them have said they're leaving
>>155107029The Hannah thing is a hoax by some random loser on twitter, that person never worked on the show
>>155109376>these two people did this one thing but these other completely different people making another show are doing something else. doesn't quite make sense does it?retard
>>155106850Zach has worked with Paramount a couple of times already, he did a few storyboards for SpongeBob, then never showed up in the credits again after that. That's a pretty good sign that he's not exactly happy with the way they treat animation staff. He doesn't want to grind through half a season of Smiling Friends only for Paramount shitters to barge in and tell him the budget's being cut and they won't pay for any guest animators going forward. And they're going to need a tie-in for Taylor Sheridan's new show on CBS. Even WB forced them to outsource their animation to Korea for the third season. Paramount would be even worse, and Zach knows that first hand.
>>155107288Kys, faggot
>>155107288Zach KNOWING about Walt Bismarck and admitting it on Oneyplays is a sign he was digging in very bad goy stuff. Michael Cusack’s on a new show, Zach isn’t.
>>155106989not very, he doesn't work well with other people. Fishworth never ever
>>155106989absolutely dogshit. he should be selling carpets in nebraska
>>155106801Simpsons and South Park should have done this
>>155109922South park is so cheap to make that continuing is really only a matter of whether or not matt and trey want to keep working on it. the simpsons on the other hand is so god damn expensive that I'm surprised they're still going because I can't even believe that people are still watching it at all
>>155107085>Fashgitz contributor >For free too>"Some" skeletonsLol, he is a goose-stepping neonazi chud piece of shit
New video is up since 4 days ago. You're slow and ignorant, /co/mrades. Also BIRD Plushies, 2 for the price of 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp4_7T9J6Fghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIloHWYfym4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyc7DMnz1MM
How many times has their story changed?> They were so excited about season 4 and 5 they revealed it themselves with a self made sketch >According to the audio announcement, they were specifically afraid of running out of ideas and wanted the show to end on a good note.>According to interviews they had tons of ideas but the production itself just sucked and was wearing down on them.
>>155106754>They had to learn new animation software without changing the look of the showtoo hard, just make a new show
Source on that interview? Because that implies they would have loved to continue the show with a proper budget that didn't make the production ass.Which kind of spits in the face of all the people who convinced themselves it's actually good it ended because it was one episode away from suddenly sucking.I am much more willing to accept the reason simply being they weren't being paid enough to make the show with burning the candle at both ends.
>>155110303The first and second actually fit together. My guess is they had to spin it like it wasn't something that was [as]'s fault when it first happened, so it would look like they were ending the show on good terms Immediately saying >Yeah, the big guy is too stingy.Is going to burn bridges.
>>155106850>>155106754Anyone that didn't immediately clock this as Zach being tired of showrunning is a complete fucking moron.He is ADHD as fuck and showrunning is a hard job even on well funded productions
>>155109662Absolute retard
>>155110548>>155109662
That reason makes a lot more sense than>WE DON'T WANT TO BECOME ZOMBIE SIMPSONS >ends part way through ATHF season 2
>>155110444That's not what Zach was saying though, he says on a proper budget they would have been fine.
>>155110378>Source on that interview? see: >>155107624
Shortly after the cancellation there was a video made theorizing that this happened due to production concerns and the person even pointed out that the show became outsourced by the end and Z&M having made their own animation studio seemed to be to deal with this sort of situation. It sounds like this is kinda being revealed as the truth now.
GIMME THE SEXBOT GIMME THE SEXBOT GIMME THE SEXBOT GIMME THE SEXBOT GIMME THE SEXBOT
I thought you were taught to not validate creators wanking off their own decisions
>>155109667CSE is 100x more anti-establishment than Smiling Friends and far more niche and liable to corporate meddling and yet none of the principals from that show have said they're jumping ship. Have you ever considered Zach is just a lazy faggot?
>>155106754It is honestly baffling how upset some people are by creators of a show ending it on their terms and not just milking it as long as they can.
>>155113013I guess because of how uncommon that practice is. A lot of people also have a parasocial relationship with Zach.
>>155106754SF wanted to end before it became zombie simpsonsthe issue is that they weren't even golden age simpsons by the time it ended
>>155106989he can't even finish his own fucking animations
>>155113209He's finished plenty of his own animations. He just hasn't worked on any new ones in several years at this point.
>>155112990Have you considered that CSE is a niche show and can fly under the corporate radar while Smiling friends is incredibly popular and a bigger target for executive meddling?
>>155113013Some of us just don't like how they pretend "Season 3 felt like a good place to end things," when not even a year prior they were already teasing a 4th and 5th season. Seems less like "ending the show on their own terms" and more like bailing out of nowhere and retroactively calling it The Final Season, all because they* treated this silly cartoon like some auteur vision that required their hands in Every frame of Every episode instead of trusting and relying more on their employees and collaborators in a medium that's KNOWN for being a team effort. Even if SF was working with a much smaller budget, the show was clearly becoming one of the most profitable new animated hits for Adult Swim--and WB Discovery at large--so I'm sure they could've negotiated for a bigger crew or a more lax release schedule of one new season every 2 years again. *I hesitate to say "they" because this had to have been mostly Zach's doing
Season 3 already lost the spark. It's not good.
>>155114342cute feet
I think it's wild a show like Dan Vs. Is seen as a failure even though it ran for 3 seasons and 53 episodes. Meanwhile Smiling Friends ran for 3 seasons with only 27 11-minute segments.
Pim > Allan > Glep > Tyler > Charlie >>> Mr. Boss
>>155115453It was a different time
>>155116741Delete that awful flagNOW
>>155115453Back then only shows that got 6 seasons and a movie were considered a hit. Nowadays since there's such a lack of talent, anything that goes even a little bit past 2 seasons is considered good enough.
Maybe I’m looking too deeply, but is it possible Zach is one of those creators that takes comedy too seriously? I remember stories about how Michael Richards was hard to work with on UHF and Seinfeld because he was very anal-retentive and wouldn’t have any fun on set. Zach seems to have a less extreme version where he sees comedy as a science rather than fun.
>>155107029what happened to her?
its a silly ass show it was meant to run for as long as possible
>>155115453a lot of people loved smiling friends because they liked zach. i wouldn't call dan vs a failure, but i think the problem is that a lot of people just never heard of it. it was on a channel people didn't really watch a lor
>>155106801>do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down.webm
>>155116585>PimPatrician choice. He's the most well-developed of the cast and practically carries the plots on their shoulders by being invested in them.>AllanBased, he's hilarious.>GlepToo high and is the worst Smiling Friend for barely being a character and constantly changing depending on what joke they need to tell.>TylerHe did steal the scene he was in so fair enough.>CharlieAgreed, his realistic dialogue novelty wore off very quickly and all you're left with is a whiny, pretentious self-insert.>Mr. BossHe's funny but I get why people wouldn't like him. He was really shaping up to be the Randy of SF.
Why would you ever have a problem with this
>>155106754istg you're such a faggot opheaven forbid an adult cartoon that wants to end on its own terms all things considered, and the likewise sentiment of not wanting it to run forever, but contrarian faggots like you pop up anyway huh
>>155106754I find the idea that this ever had the potential to last as long as R&M or The Simpsons to be somewhat delusional on the defenders end. This show had a shelf life of like 5-6 seasons tops regardless if they ended it now or not
>>155119259Read >>155114342
>>155110204This is not Smiling Friends related, anon.
>>155106754Should've at least ended with a movie
>>155119630Read >>155119259>all things considered
>>155119793Okay Zach
>>155118946And yet the crew for the show that not many people watch managed to pull off 53 full-length episodes. Hell, the main complaint I hear from fans is that the show just needed a finale.
>>155115453Why the hell is this under "adult animation" on Tubi?
>>155120331nobody knows but tame for adult audiences, innapropiate for family driven audiences..
>>155121370it aired on a kid's channel
>>155106754Funny, coming from a 20+ year old living at home with no job.
>>155121485projecting much?
>>155107029Whu move to Georgia? Is it not in LA?
>>155122201*why
>>155122201>>155122257uhh i think [AS]'s current animation studios is currently in atlanta GA but i'm not sure what that anon was referring to
>>155122285https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLh4_CV4jOI&t=1005s
>>155117227>Zach seems to have a less extreme version where he sees comedy as a science rather than funI don't know how you can say that when he's constantly just saying the randomest stupid shit that pops up into his head on Oneyplays for laughs.
>>155120024I don't know about "managed". It's like how Canadian trash like Kevin Spencer went on for so long, Hasbro were so desperate for anything to put in its schedule beyond reurns of old toy commercials that they let them do basically whatever until they hit 52 episodes.
>>155122308Well, one is a friend's casual internet podcast, whereas the other is an actual TV series on a major network distributing it worldwide. There's a lot more on the line, so even with SF being a silly surrealist cartoon, it still directly affects Zach's reputation moving forward; and the guy doesn't seem the type to be very vulnerable. That would help explain why he's been so protective of a project most showrunners wouldn't be so stressed over and why he was so caught up in trying to avoid entering "zombie territory" a mere twenty-something episodes in.
I am from the Apple, like an Apple fag
>>155106754>creatively burned out They were burned out like ASAP, the show barley has a format, everything’s a rush job, they literally don’t know how to write, the bulk of the show relied on disconnected and outsourced creatives, every episode and scene ends by fizzling out, and their only inspiration seems to be whatever is bothering Zack on twitter that he can weakly satirw (i dont care for Bill Nye’s trans dance but the anti-nihilism episode was simply incoherent, they simply don’t have the bite to actually take anyone down properly)
>>155107708>Viv le good! because she treats and pays Californian indie up and comers art student animators worse than filipino outsource animation scabs Truly everyone has at least one good quality.
>>155123781Uhmmm... Name??
>>155106754>ToonHive
>>155124177Sorry wrong board.. To make up for it, the source post was this:https://x.com/mazobuta_fetish/status/2090277418166595759
>>155124655anon i love you <3
>>155125218I love you to ha ha ha nom
>>155108010Still better than Lost
>>155106945>antisemitismyou mean countersemitism, since kikes are literally always the perpetrators and never the victims
>>155122159>projecting muchYeah, projecting your hypocrisy.
>>155125218Pim is so CUTE!!
>>155106754go back to season 1's production pipeline where it's all indie creators and ecelebs contributing. the show lost its spark when they hired three boofsylvanian fishing villages worth of koreans to make the show.like cmon, during the sub-30 episode run you've already became closer to seth macfarlane than some auteur working tooth and nail to make their vision. don't spin it like this guys.
>>155107011>death podWhat kind of man builds a machine to kill a girl?
>>155125529>where it's all indie creators and ecelebs contributingsounds like a bit of a power move
>>155106754You consumer leeches should be glad you get anything at all. All you seem to do is complain.
>>155110173What's bad about the space king guys?
>>155123806This. I won't deny Smiling Friends had all the right ingredients to make it a hit with chronically-online zoomers and millennials simply looking for something to turn their brain off to and make memes and fujo fanart of, but the show clearly was written by two guys without any understanding of the writing basics. Jumbled pacing that could rarely fill up 11 minutes, mixed-media animation taking priority, and shock humor to make up for their lack of proper joke structure that even someone like Seth MacFarlane had a decent grasp on when he started showrunning. The Mr. Landlord twist in "A Allan Adventure" and Glep saving the day in "Silly Samuel" are two RARE cases of narrative payoff. Most other episodes feel like "Yes, and... "-ing, and I know I've seen other anons share the same sentiments as Season 3 was rolling out. The endings to "Mole Man" and "Friend-Bot" made it especially clear that no matter how much they'd love the comparison, Zach & Michael wrote wasn't anywhere near what classic SpongeBob and Simpsons writers were delivering. "Desmond" and "Gwimbly" remain two of the very best episodes and even those take the most random routes to get to their surprise endings.
>>155125757>"Desmond" and "Gwimbly" remain two of the very best episodes"Shrimp" too ya silly billy, ha ha
>>155110173Hi Ding Dong.
>>155125912HOW DO I LOOK, YELLOW MAN?
>>155125529season 1 immediately became uninteresting to me because of all the fucking whos in it combined with adultswim's retarded release schedule. I don't think they even knew what it was supposed to be, a shitty newgrounds cameo sketch cartoon or a slightly less shit big lez show
>>155124144>Zach le good! because he rugpulls Californian indie up and comers art student animators after promising them at least four more years of work and leaves them stranded in bumfuck AtlantaRubber, glue etc.
All I wanted was two more seasons... Is that really so much to ask?
>>155127630Yes because Simpsons or something
>>155127671Michael should've put Zach in his place. Koala Man only got 8 episodes before getting killed
>>155125757Yeah its unfortunate man what the fuck is this ‘Spamtopia’ shit? ‘Its like meta nostalgia for old bad websites and whatever on newgrounds’ okay why didn’t you to school for this? Or read a book on writing? Or really just do anything more than improv and rely on your ersatz internet success? In 2002 and on when we were all excited about making a new generation of media together with flash, it was never the idea that the “best of us” would just be sending the same shit we liked when we were 12!!! We thought you would fucking learn something, like the rest of us have been trying to do, and apply it and prove us all geniuses!!! But now, apparently, I have to go out of my career and get to work in yours because my self-assigned expert representatives just fucking abdicated stated reason inability to do the job!!! And if you don’t understand that passion, I’m giving my heart to you and one day you’ll all see when your bullshit YouTube videos continue to get betrayed due to incompetence by the people who were supposed to be doing something.
>>155125757Hell even early South Park, for as crude as it was, still had actual narrative structure. Granted they made like two feature films before then, so they had experience
