Why is it that people kvetch about the 90s after literal decades of increasingly worse years for comics?
>>155111533Stop coping
Because it was the biggest L in Marvel history and mouse dronies are desperate to lump DC in with their dark age despite being better by most metrics.
>>155111542In what way are things, in comics, better now than they were then?
>>155111588Outside of big 2 sloppa, there's more variety in comics than ever.
>>155111533>Why is it that people kvetch about the 90s after literal decades of increasingly worse years for comics?Maybe there are still mad at Emerald Twilight
>>155111701You mean more gays comics
>>155111890Among other things, yes. More varied creators is a good thing. Perhaps when you grow up, you'll understand that.
>>155111533It's programming by corporations. people love le warhamer mediocre edgeslop but don't care for the 80s and 90s comics it ripped off because they're not marketable. The Dark Knight Rises and Watchmen gets endless praise because DC published and still uses it from time to time but nobody talks about Alan Moore's UK work or anything from First Comics like American Flagg which was a big deal when it came out.
>>155111903>Among other things, yes. More varied creators is a good thing. Perhaps when you grow up, you'll understand that.It does make more sense to make gay comic artists contained in their own small genre than to make the LGBT stuff keep pouring in to everything else like in modern DC and Marvel
>>155112016I've never read Stranger in Paradise, but I'm guessing it has more artistic value that all the gay pandering stuff in modern Marvel and DC
>>155111903>more flavors of slop is a good thing actually
>>155111903I grew up reading euro comics you people still ain't even close to my levels of diversity
>>155111701>Outside of big 2 sloppa,anon these people are talking about the big 2, that's all anyone talks about
>>155111533They don't want to admit that woke shit is bad so they pretend other eras are worse
>>155111533The majority of what you see online are people who haven’t actually experienced what they’re talking about they’re gleaming the information from other sources who gleamed that information from another source. Most of what you see on YouTube originates from whatever Wizard published and Wizard HATED the 90s because they were so far removed from what the Wizard staff grew up reading which was the Bronze Age to Jim Shooter stuff. That’s why you see a lot of fags on here glazing that era, they see their YouTube internet friends glazing that era because their internet friend read Wizard magazine who was glazing that era because that’s what they grew up reading
>>155112098Miles Morales spiderman is the best thing to happen to marvel since disney bought themAnd if he kiss the white girl will be the greatest black moment in comicbook history
>>155112047It does that soap opera stuff that capeshitters claim is one of their favorite aspects of cape comics exponentially better than cape comics.
>>155111533Read some fucking comics and find out, faggot.
>>155111936In a way it is, people shitting on Image's launch books makes it easy for Marvel to push the idea that writers are important to the comic, because Marvel's history requires people to not notice how often the artist had a hand in writing during the 60s and 70s. They're hoping people are lemmings and don't notice that the artists of the 60s and 70s were better plotters/writers than Todd McFarlane.
>>155111533It was an objectively bad time for the business, the industry nearly died and all the poor sales and bad trends and desperate attempts at relevance are part of the lasting legacy of the 90s and the crash that basically completely killed comics forever and will never recover from.Most idiots get distracted by Rob Liefeld drawing bad or Spider-man being kinda shitty instead of that though.
>>155112968I would argue that the decisions made by Marvel and DC in the 2000s/2010s did vastly more long-term harm to comics than the 90s did
>>155112978No, the crash in the 90s shoved comics from a moderately niche, a bit mainstream appeal into a closet of ultra-niche to the point people ask “they still make those?” I know people like to pretend that “woke” is the worst thing to ever happen to anything but anything that’s happened in the 2000-2010s only affected a very small readership and John Q Public have no idea about something like Carol Manvers or Kate Bishop watching listfully as America Chavez flies off with some lesbian
>>155111533The art, is easy to see double Dds cap and say the 90s were the worse. Sayimg the 00s were the worse would require to read stuff which is harder.
>>155111533In the 90's they knew that they were playing: The Muscles, Giant Shoulder Pads, Guns & Pouches.The 2000's were dead fucking serious sincere about all the sexual assault and rape.
>>155113063I'm not talking about the Culture War slapfights (though they didn't help)I'm talking about how they actually did have a chance at going vastly more mainstream during those two decades but didn'tWho gives a fuck that the 90s crash made comics niche when the 00s was when comics had a much larger presence in the bookstore market yet somehow squandered so many opportunities? Or that the MCU was massively popular yet Marvel often fell far, far behind selling graphic novels compared to DC? You can't be fucking serious still complaining about how there are less comic shops and magazine rack presence when bookstores began to devote three full shelves to graphic novels by the early 00s. Blaming the 90s feels like a convenient way to sidestep looking into the problems of the 00s and 10s probably because some people from those decades are still in charge
>>155112016>Batman may have been shaped by crime alley.. but I was BORN trans ally
>>155113214>Marvel doesn’t do well in bookstores while DC doesDC has more evergreen books that are one-and-done because their characters are more archetype so you can do different things with them that lend to one-and-done, bookstore ready books. The Marvel universe is more soap with very clearly defined characters that aren’t as malleable as DC characters so they don’t fit as well into the one-and-done bookstore ready book, a lot of Marvel’s best stuff are part of long, hundred-plus issue runs that you can’t just grab one book off the shelf.
>>155113314Marvel characters come with so much baggage it really does spoil the whole experience.
>>155113214>Blaming the 90s feels like a convenient way to sidestep looking into the problems of the 00s and 10s probably because some people from those decades are still in chargeThis is the crux of the problem. No other industry would tolerate the continued diminishing of sales the way that the comics industry does. These people should have been literally fired decades ago.That said, this is also a 90s problem. When Marvel declared bankruptcy in the 90s, there was a deliberate push to make Marvel into a licensing company to leverage their IPs. The comics basically being a vestigial limb that merely existed to feed these multimedia projects. People like Joe Quesada were brought into Marvel specifically because they had connections to Hollywood.
>>155111533The video you posted is less about content of comics and more about the constant financial trouble Marvel was having paired with the fuckery that ended up giving Diamond a monopoly on distribution. Also>Yeah, maybe old thing bad, but modern thing bad too! is a braindead fuckin' argument. The industry being shitty right now doesn't suddenly make shitty times in the past good.
>>155113697On the contrary, the 90s were a golden age for comic narratives and the financial troubles of that era that were so bad never really went away, just shielded with licensing deals. So, in terms on what actually matters for the consumer, that being the stories themselves. No, the 90s weren’t “bad too.” That’s retarded. I’m not one of those people who are uber nostalgic for the 90s (it was a cesspit both culturally and politically) but in the realm of comics it was objectively better.
>>155111588For one, Marvel didn't fill for bankruptcy and devastated the whole scene.
>>155113963Marvel isn’t the comic industry, Anon. DC was thriving back then, and Western Indie comics were by far superior then than they are now.
>>155113998>Marvel isn’t the comic industry, AnonIt unironically is when they almost went down in the 90s they dragged the entire comic industry with them
>>155113218Kek
>>155111533Wrong.
>>155111533They grew up with 2000s garbage, and trashing stuff from the 10s and 20s is bigoted.
>>155111533The worst year in comics but the best year in gaming/v/chads stay winning
>>155113877You're an idiot.
Honestly, I'm hesitant to take anyone that "ironically" uses Office WordArt in their YouTube video essay thumbnail seriously. For some reason everyone who uses that seems to be a massive flaming homosexual.
>>155118301And you’re a retard.
>>155111533The 90s are underrated. They were still publishing good comics back then. But everyone can just remember the bad things and act like it was the beginning of the end. No, it was during the 2000s
>>155111701>there's more variety in comics than ever.Not when everyone thinks and is doing the same thing
>>155118490>Ehrm no, it's good that editorial was fucked, we got a decade of horrible marvel books, the distribution system was completely fucked, the speculator bubble gave a bunch of idiots executives an entirely unreal idea of what success in the comics industry actually looked like*and* it killed a bunch of shops when it popped, because there were some good books that came out!You people bitch about the state of the comics industry right now but all those of issues, all of those problems were grown from seeds planted in the 90s. You're an idiot.
>>155111533why are people such absolute reactionaries that they see people complaining about the 90s and feel the need to defend it?the 90s wont have sex with you, its okay for them to be bad
>>155112016i always kek whenever troons draw themselves as biological looking women when they are incapable of ever pulling it off irl
>>155118743The 90s have a shitload of good comics.
>>155111542Stop arresting then.
>>155118983wrong
>>155118983Name 100 good comics from the 90s. I'll wait.
It was all worth it for Busiek's Avengers
>>155112321Yeah, relationship slop is fundamentally one step above justice porn slop on the Art Scale, always has been
>>155111533>kvetch
