How do we fix him?
>>155114554DC only bought him out of Carmine Infantino's idiotic idea to try and sue Marvel over the namejust let him go back to oblivion, it's not like any comics are still going to be around a decade from now
>>155114554This has been said before, but I think no one at DC genuinely cares for the character or his lore.
Sane Option>Revert the cast back to how it was before Flashpoint>Make a goofy comedy series on Youtube>Make a tie-in comic bookInsane Option>Do a live action Kingdom Come movie>All the trailers are him beating the shit out of Superman while smiling
>>155115234I understand liking Kingdom Come, I don't understand thinking it's a good showing of Captain Marvel when all he does in that story is get mind controlled and die.Sure, he gets like, a couple of pages where he's himself and they go on about how he's both a "normal" person and a superhero, but they do nothing with that, his sacrifice doesn't even matter since everyone still fucking dies.You'd also think he would play some kind of role as a kid that grew up from the old generation of heroes into the new generation, but nah, that would actually require the writers to think the new generation are worth anything instead of just constantly jacking off the old guys.
>>155114554Give him his own YA comic book series, mainline dc continuity can't cope with his existence.
>>155115272Hence why it's the "insane option". DC would be stupid enough to believe that the only comic most people have ever read with Capt. Marvel in it is Kingdom Come, so they would try to sloppily adapt it into a 90 minute movie.
>>155115234>Revert the cast back to how it was before FlashpointI know they've been handled like shit, but I still think the Diversity Kids were a good idea.The original Marvel Family had always been "progressive" in a way, what that meant just changed with time, I don't really mind losing the 3 Billy Batsons for 3 kids that honestly do have some untapped potential.This of course shouldn't come at the expense of Billy, Mary and Freddy, but looking at Post-Flashpoint Shazam stories, that has never been the case anyway, they never even got proper hero names.If anything, DC just went back to their classic trick of ignoring Billy himself.>>155115286They did give him a Webtoon comic I think, but honestly getting rid of DC canon just feels like a cowardly move.Like it or not, people like Billy existing in the DCU, that has been the case for a lot of time now, and they've properly adapted other acquired characters into their universe just fine.It's not that main DC can't have Billy, it's that they haven't actually tried, cause every fucking time they try, they do it in the worst way possible, ignoring his actual canon and changing him to the point of parody, the DCU isn't the problem, DC writers and editorial are.Billy can have his own corner in the DCU, they just have to put on the effort on actually making it unique and stand out, have Fawcett City reflect his character like Gotham and Metropolis do for Batman and Superman, use his villains and supporting cast, then after all that is established and actually explored, bring in some DC heroes for crossover, ideally magic ones, it's a crime Billy has had no involvement in recent magic stories or team ups.
>>155114741Ordway and Waid kind of did. Johns' run was a legit dumpster fire because he didn't give much of a shit about the Golden Age version and just made Billy an angry mess of a 13 year oldThere was tons of whimsy in Fawcett era Marvel Family, none of which was present in Johns' runWhat I'd honestly love more than a competently done Shazam, is a Freddy solo book . Captain Marvel Jr's own book back in the Golden Age was stellar
>>155114554Retcon away the Super Twins and have Clark and Lois adopt a de-aged and retconned Billy and Mary whom are actually biological twins instead of random strangers.
>>155115511How about we stop trying to tie Billy into other DC heroes and let him stand on his own?
>>155115469>Waid kind of didWaid cared so much that he wrote an introductory story where Billy was intentionally out of character, couldn't transform into Cap, and then left after 9 issues and passed the book to fucking Josie Campbell.I appreciate that he cared enough to bring him old name back, and to use him semi-prominently in his JLU book, but it's just so superficial, after all the shit Billy went through, the last thing he needed was a story where he couldn't use his powers.>There was tons of whimsy in Fawcett era Marvel Family, none of which was present in Johns' runI agree on that, sucks that they decided to keep the New 52 Shazam lore when rearranging the New History of the DCU.I don't mind the Diversity Kids, but surely there's a way to bring back Billy's old lore and feel.>What I'd honestly love more than a competently done Shazam, is a Freddy solo book Ah yes, just what we need, for Billy to be sidelined in favor of another Marvel Family member again.... again (again)I fucking swear man, by 2034, they'll push Darla as the main Shazam character.
>>155114554Stop making Billy look like shit just to prop up Clark
>>155115541Unfortunate for Shazam, DC doesn't really care about him. Best you can do is attach Shazam to another character/team and give him recurring appearances. And hopefully Shazam develop a following and the next generation of writers want to do something with Shazam. And the next generation of editors want to push Shazam.
>>155114554Surprised he's never really been associated with Wonder Woman given which mythological figures a lot of his powers are fromThough it's not like being tied to WW of all characters would make people care about him lol
>>155115697And giving Shazam a solo book just for it to be cancelled and we don't hear anything from Shazam for about a decade does nothing but further decrease his dwindling popularity.
>>155114554Make him into a genie and have Sinbad play him in a movie.
>>155115764I'm still so fucking mad about the Johns and Waid runs, if you told me DC was intentionally sabotaging the character, I'd believe you.
>>155115286They kind of did. It's a webcomic by Steve Orlando and Giopota where people live in a world where it's like human world mingling with Zootopia and non-Fawcett DC characters are fictional characters in comics
>>155115728I’d like it if Billy had interaction with figures making up the Shazam name, and NOT how they did in Trials of Shazam.
>>155114554Give me a bit to actually think of a small pitch like I did with Plastic Man once.
>>155114554Just fucking do this, but a series. Mozzer probably wouldn't do, maybe James Robinson, or there *has* to be someone in the newer crop of writers who gives a shit about golden age heroes who wouldn't do some bullshit.Do you think we're ever gonna get Captain Marvel DC finest?
>>155116009Any pitch that involves putting Billy in a whole separate universe feels like a waste to me.We should be able to write Shazam stories that take place in the DC Universe while also just focusing on Billy's lore and characters, and without bringing in constant guest starts and cameos from the larger DCU.It also just feels like you're giving up, like you somehow can't imagine Billy existing in the same universe, so you just take him out.>Do you think we're ever gonna get Captain Marvel DC finest?I sure hope so.
At this point DC should just create a title called “Captain Marvel” starring Billy and just accept the lawsuit that comes after. If nothing else, it’ll get the character’s name out there and the controversy might usher in support.
>>155115728Yeah there's no interesting drama or scenarios that could be made from putting a teenage boy on an island of only women.
>>155115728It's funny cause they had somewhat of a crossover somewhat recently.In it, Billy spent most of it without powers, and I don't think he even interacted with WW.It was more about Mary and they gave her back her name and unique pantheon, but it still sucks man.>>155116129What they really need is to call Billy Captain Marvel in a mainstream adaptation again.But the chances of that happening are extremely low.
>>155116129Rumor has it that Marvelman is going to join the Avengers, Carol Danvers is going to die, and he's going to become the new Captain Marvel specifically so DC can't do shit with him.
>>155115661>Ah yes, just what we need, for Billy to be sidelined in favor of another Marvel Family member again.... again (again)Oh, no, I wasn't talking about sideling Billy. Moreso just expanding the Marvel Family like how Billy used to have Whiz Comics and Captain Marvel Adventures and Freddy had Captain Marvel Junior and Master Comics
>>155116111>We should be able to write Shazam stories that take place in the DC Universe while also just focusing on Billy's lore and characters>>155116111>without bringing in constant guest starts and cameos from the larger DCUSo what is it, chief?
>>155116257Are those contradictory or something?Focus on Billy and his supporting cast and villains, we don't need to have a story where Billy jobs to Scarecrow and has to be saved by Batman, or an issue that exists to shit on Jon Kent fans who wanted him deaged.
>>155116219That wouldn't work, Billy Batson/Captain Marvel's first appearance is public domain so it wouldn't really prevent DC from doing anything with the character. Marvelman is basically Captain Marvel Derivative, But British so making him Marvel's Captain Marvel wouldn't really change anything as it is now
>>155116219DC can do whatever they want with Billy but publish books called Captain Marvel in the cover.Worst case scenario they go back to exclusively calling him Shazam, Waid be damned.
>>155114554Mr. Banjo miniseries
>>155116219That seems odd. Why does Marvel feel threatened by OG Captain Marvel?
>>155116470They don't, why would they? DC pretty much already gave up on the name.
>>155116499That’s what I was asking: Why would they bring in Marvelman just so DC can’t use Billy? It seems odd to me if true.
>>155116534Because Marvel bought the rights to Miracle Man and planned to do something with him. But Gaiman's situation forced them to cancel those plans. And now is probably a long enough time that Marvel can restart the plans they had for Miracle Man.
>>155116679That still has nothing to do with Billy anon, Miracleman may be based on him, but he's also very drastically different at this point, and Marvel having him in his main universe as Captain Marvel wouldn't affect DC.
>>155116219We know Carol is surviving already, dumbass
>>155116424make him a tiktok influencer
>>155116755It does in a way. Having Marvelman explicitly be Captain Marvel means that both companies have someone who transforms into Captain Marvel by saying a magic phrase that have a Jr. and girl counterpart, only when an evil counterpart whose colors are black and gold. DC actually starting to use the original is why Mar-Vell stopped trading places with Rick Jones.
>>155118111But only in a way, not in any way that would actually matter.
>>155116111You misunderstand me. The "separate universe" part of Thunderworld is inconsequential to me. I just want a sincere Captain Marvel book that doesn't feel embarrassed of its own canon, and pays tribute to the past.
>>155116111I think Billy's lore just doesn't jive too well with the grander DC universe. His inclusion into the DCU was always a "don't think too hard about it" sort of thing.
>>155118933I like the idea of talking animals just existing in Captain Marvel’s universe. Kind of like Dragon Ball, where animal people exist along with traditional animals and dinosaurs.
>>155116129Ought to get something like:"Captain Marvel" is who he is."Shazam" is what he says....as a bulk T-shirt order or something.>>155116219That's moronic, but I still believe it. Marvel Comics isn't just greedy, they're insanely petty.
>>155114554License the character to Fantagraphics to do a multi volume collection of the golden age Marvel Family
>>155115897>I’d like it if Billy had interaction with figures making up the Shazam name, and NOT how they did in Trials of Shazam.If we had competent DC movie writers instead of edgelord feminist hacks, I'd have loved an adaptation of the War of the Gods crossover, with the Greek and Roman gods tricked into war with each other. A shady mystic is noticed among the chaos, but he's really the wizard Shazam in disguise, ultimately trying to re-create the spell and bestow the power on Billy again, to provide a rallying point for both pantheons and help quell the conflict. Would double as a soft reboot for the character.
>>155116129>>155119825>bro just give Marvel millions of dollars in the most easiest trademark infringement lawsuit to win of all time
>>155119999What a waste of digits.
>>155120006How is he wrong?
I actually want to see Grant Morrison do a real series. Thunderworld was the best part of multiveresity.
>>155121152I didn’t say he was.
>>155119359You say that, but DC has already taken some of Billy's lore like the Rock of Eternity and ran with it.
>>155116823>We know Carol is surviving alreadyMissed opportunity really, keeping her on the team makes Avengers an automatic skip.
>>155116231Shazam can't even handle 1 book, I doubt we'll ever get a whole bunch of them.
>>155114554We can't, but she can.
>>155123568Injustice was so shit, I wish we could get Taylor canceled for this.
>>155114554we go back in time to bankrupt dc comcis before they decide to sue fawcett for daring to create captain marvel
>>155121164I loved that book, the darkseid war tie-in and the convergence mini.
>>155114554You don't need to fix him. He was always cool. And so was the Geoff Johns Nu52 version where they basically just turned him into Yusuke from Yu Yu Hakusho; a troublemaker with a heart of gold.And it's been a while so I might be remembering the wrong issue, but the one-shot from Convergence by Steve Orlando where he has to basically make 6 new gods his bitch was really damn cool.
>>155124287>Convergence>>155124229oh ,right, it was Darkseid War, it's literally right on the cover, derp.
