>killing people, even many people, is fine>hell, killing the same person repeatedly is fine>rape is intolerable
>>155141866The problem is that men write most comics and therefore cannot relate to rape without eroticizing it.
>>155141951Men can and have been raped.
>>155141866Name 8000 times this happened>>155141951Wrong
>>155141866Rape is ontologically evil, same as slavery.You could, potentially, come up with a scenario where killing someone is justified.You can never come up with a scenario where raping someone is justified.
If you’d ever actually met a female rape victim you’d understand that rape is much much worse than murder.
>>155142044>You can never come up with a scenario where raping someone is justifiedwhat about raping a rapist as punishment/revenge?
>>155142053You can recover from being raped. You know what you cannot recover from?Death.
>>155142072>>155142044Rape is justified if you need to hurt somebody mentally without killing them or hurting their body. The 2nd Joker film provides an excellent example of this.
>>155141866>Now listen here sonny I might be a genocidal slaver and war profiteer but I draw the line at rape. Believe all women. #MeToo.
>>155141866if you murder someone, that's the end of it, they're dead. if you rape someone, they have to live with that trauma the rest of their life and fight to feel normal again everyday. I guess you're still alive, but that's not really living, it's why rape is called soul murder, you're still alive but can't really live fully again, there's always going to be a shade of doubt and paranoia with making yourself vulnerable
>>155142044>Rape is ontologically evil, same as slavery.Who says?
>>155142114Lmao it’s the same line of thinking that has given us loads of murderous evil villains who are inexplicably anti racist.
>>1551420128000 times this happened
>>155142044What about raping the joker to break his spirit? Checkmate
>>155141951You mispelled womenThey created their safe rape or consensual rape fiction where its all soft and horny for their enjoyment and the woman while being violated is also not devastated
>>155142083Hey retard, death is a certainty. Being raped isn't. A rape victim is still going to die someday. The point of life is to hopefully have a good one. So yes, rape is worse than murder, and should have a harsher punishment. Destroying someone mentally is worse than killing someone.
How come it has to be either or? Why don't we just treat rape the same as murder? Both are bad because they have life long consequences for different reasons
>>155141951Women eroticize rape all the time. It's a gangbusters genre of their fiction. Hell, I knew a chick who used her own rape to write porn about it.This isn't to apologize for rape, but your argument is wrong.
>>155142044>my Christian god said rape is badShut up moral fag
>>155142167There is a chance to fully recover from being raped. It is not a permanent existence. Therapy and a strong social and support system make rape a speed bump. You know what's less of a speed bump and more of a brick wall? Death.
>>155142172Because nuance no longer exists in this world and a character must be 100% in every action they take or they're evil. Including murder and torture.
>>155142167>Being raped isn't.If rape isn't certain you're not living your life correctly.>Destroying someone mentally is worse than killing someone.Stupid. If you can destroy someone mentally then they deserved to be destroyed for being weak, just like if I can penis you in the butt you deserved to get penised.You're a person who screams "skill issue"
Any man who doesn't think rape is that big of a deal should be locked in a small room with a bigger and stronger man who not only feels the same way but thinks that the idiot is exactly his type, and whatever happens next happens.
>>155142232Fag
>>155142232>Any woman who doesn't think murder is that big of a deal should be locked in a small room with a bear.ftfy
>>155141866>>155141951>>155142083>>155142167>>155142232killing can be justified. rape can not.
>>155142232Guy like that should be raped until they have a prostate orgasm against their will.
>>155142250One evil is fine but another isn't. You're vile.
>>155142243>>155142245>>155142250>>155142259I'm just saying, sometimes the only way someone is gonna learn their lesson is by getting a taste of their own medicine.
>>155142044>same as slaveryDepends on the circumstances, selling yourself into slavery to cover a debt and be given fair wages to buy yourself out from a slaveholder who isn't unnecessarily violent did happen.
>>155142250>killing can be justified. rape can not.If postpartum psychosis justifies murdering your 3 kids then testosterone psychosis justifies rape.
>>155142284Something is very wrong with society if selling yourself into slavery is one of your options.
>>155142193People are so annoying that they cannot conceptualize beyond the victim. Murder is evil because a life is snuffed out forever, their experiences, memories, goals, all gone. But everyone thinks "but they're dead now so it's over". Which no it fucking isn't, you have siblings, parents, friends all who get robbed of someone they loved and cared about. Someone they cherish and visit, and have all these memories with. THEY suffer, THEY don't get to recover, they live with it forever. That's why murder can be horrible. Rape is the same way, that person will never feel safe, they will close their eyes at night and think about that shit, they carry it with them. The suffering is different, but the result is the same, the total amount of suffering in the world is greater now than it was before the crime was committed. Jfc
>>155142337>THEY suffer, THEY don't get to recover, they live with it forever. That's why murder can be horrible.And that's why you should never ever ever form any kind of emotional attachment to anyone anywhere.
>>155142250Meme stance. Rape can absolutely be justified.
>>155142044Slavery isn't evil per se, only the conditions you keep your slaves inSome people have no agency over their lives and cannot take beneficial decisions for themselves and they are better off being slaves than free, absolving their responsibilities in life to a caretaker who bears this burden. This is meaning of "A slave is free, and a master a slave"The proof of this is in the domestication of animals and, unless you don't TRUST THE SCIENCE, man is of course nothing more than an arrogant animal.Are you arrogant? Do you deny you are an animal?Why aren't you trusting the science?
>>155141866>rape is intolerableSays who?
>>155142434>>155142153>>155142091Fucking hilarious how so many anons were immediately like "but everyone memes when the joker gets raped"
>>155142044Rape can be seen like a torture and punishment method and justified as such. It's the sexuality/intimacy inversion aspect I think gets people extra icky about it. But murder I would argue is definitely more "ontologically" evil. It's the nonconsensual snuffing permanently (as far as we can see) of someone's existence.
>>155142471>torture is justifiedEither kill them and be done with it or actually try to rehabilitate them.No, you can't justify torture as an interrogation technique since those findings are always unreliable.
>>155142468They literally raped the joker out of him. So there is at least one use case for rape
>>155142180>I only rely on religion for my morality, otherwise I would rape and murder everyone in sight
>>155142585yes
>>155142471>>155142091>>155142072"I want this person to suffer, I want this person to hurt, I want this person to be broken" is not a valid justification.
>>155142592You couldn’t, lol
>>155142585>>155142180It wasn't so much religion itself, as the concepts always excited for a long time, BUT they did set in stone (literally) the 10 commandments which are more like universal basic preferences. Like people don't like getting killed, stolen from, having their wives stolen etc. They didn't INVENT those concepts, but they put them into easily writable, understandable metrics that helped people conceptualize the foundation of greater law. Again, they didn't INVENT it, but they put it in ways EVERYONE could understand, and set it in stone for generations to come.
>>155142560>>155142633And yet people will cheer on torture and sadistical punishments or find characters that do this fine or cool unless they start involving rape. Most people's super aversion to rape doesn't actually come from logical morality (otherwise they would disavow all exceptional punishment and sufferings) but an emotional response.
>>155142660>Like people don't like getting killed, stolen from, having their wives stolen etc.So? People also like to kill, steal, and rape. Why should one man's desires take precedence over anothers?
>>155142783And those people are wrong.
>>155142807How?
>>155142807No
>>155141866>>155141951>>155141967men getting rape does not carry the same feel of violation as the potentiality of carrying the seed and bringing to term your rapist
>>155142817Torture is wrong. I hope anyone who idolizes torturers either has a strong sense of the boundary between fiction and reality (in which case all is well) or they never have power over another person.
>>155142849>Torture is wrongHow?
>>155142783no, I do however find the vicarious nature of doing unto others that has wrong you or those close to you satisfyingI'm all for being the monster that preys on predators
>>155142867Because it is
>>155142881You are nothing
>>155142887Sorry thats not enough
>>155142797Because the concept is called universally PREFERRED behaviors. SOME men like to rape, kill and steal, but the VAST majority of people hate it when it happens to them. Thus society formed around the people who dislike being raped, killed and robbed. While the people WHO rape, kill and steal are either killed or removed from said society, simple as.
>>155142894nothing are you lil bitchjustice is comingbe ready
>>155142881So you'd agree that rape is justified to rape a rapist?
>>155142837Being anally raped (the only way a man can be raped btw) carries with it the feelings of shame and the knowledge that you, the rape victim, are basically a faggot
>>155142913Lol, note even
>>155142911>Because the concept is called universally PREFERRED behaviors.So we've polled every human being to know their preferences?
>>155142867It produces nothing but suffering. It has no concrete, tangible, or even theoretical positive benefits. I'm not a sentimalist. I know there are people who will bring about pain for no other reason than they can and they enjoy it.The proper way to treat those people is to seperate them from society at large and either rehabilitate them, or if rehabilitation is impossible, make the seperation permanent either through life imprisonment or painless execution."This person did something I don't like, so I want them to suffer" is the logic of the hit dog, the treaded upon snake, the wounded animal. As humans with a higher degree of reasoning, we have a responsibility to be more.Furthermore, setting up a society that allows torture as a viable option creates a society where that option will inevitably be abused.
>>155142940>Being anally raped (the only way a man can be raped btw)Not really >>155142906Autist
>>155142916sure! rape away! you love rape! you post about it all the time!
>>155142585Without transcendent moral anchorings you are left with pragmatic collective justifications (as this thread has showed) which is a very sovless and coldly utilitarian way to consider values and virtue.
>>155142956why is human suffering considered a negative?
incels are the easiest faggots online to goat
>>155142948Yes, that's why killing, stealing and rape is illegal. Mods ban this user as they are literally 1 years old, just stepped into the world and is learning basic truths.
>>155142977>Yes, that's why killing, stealing and rape is illegal.Except for the State.
>>155142969Humanity will purge the world of your kind xeno scum. >walk into human thread about human rules/morality>some fuckin xeno thinks they have the right to weigh inget off our planet.
>>155142044>You can never come up with a scenario where raping someone is justifiedWhat about in self defense?
>>155142996That's an entirely different issue though, now you're getting into another concept called 'corruption' which is also bad and should be stopped. but alas here we are
>>155141866Sorry for breaking it to you but no one apart from psychopaths thinks killing is fine
>>155143001You haven't answered my question why is it wrong for some humans to suffer, especially so others can benefit?
>>155142044>>155143015What about that scene in oz where italians tried to kill adebisi so in order to send a message and deter attackers he defends himself and then rapes one of the men who tried to kill him so all the others fear going after him because they'll be beaten and raped?
>>155143001Shut up, 40Kfag, nobody likes you>>155143028Wrong, moralfag
>>155142969Human suffering isn't an inherent negative, if it leads to a greater good. I suffer when I go to work, but it leads to me materially helping others. Women suffer during childbirth, but it leads to hopefully happy families and the continuation of humanity.In both of these cases, there's A) a degree of agency (I choose my profession, women- ideally- choose to have families) and B) it leads to tangible overall benefits to society.Human suffering without cause is lower than masturbation, because at least masturbation gives SOMEONE joy.
>>155143133What makes families and societies inherently good things? They can just be seen as a means of perpetuating and even expanding the scope of suffering.
>>155141866I think the problem with the rape/murder considerations are people don't really nuance killing. In abstract you could say rape is inherently worse as it's much harder to justify than killing and brings with it a sort of sadism, and there are many justifications for killing. But murder (killing with no justifiable reason) I think is worse than rape and is or should be treated as such. The reaction to rape as the worst thing ever and an uncrossable line is more about the personal character of the crime in society than the abstract of it. It's like with racism and sexism being seen as worse than being a murderer in a villain too.
>>155143197Okay you're definitely some kind of alien lifeform who has access to earth internet. fuck OFF back to your planet with your "erm acktually humans should stop breeding so I don't have to see them anymore" ffs, go back to algroxasianthromine, earth is full
>>155143223He’s just a retard, don’t sweat it
>>155142298>If postpartum psychosis justifies murdering your 3 kids then Her actions were not justified. she was mentally ill. . she had gone insane. She also attempted suicide right after killing her children. she took pills, slit her wrists, and jumped out a window. She's paralyzed from the waist down now.https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/why-people-want-to-believe-the-lindsay-clancy-conspiracy-theorieshttps://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/lindsay-clancy-chronicled-her-desperation-and-brain-fog-in-her-diary-before-the-killings >testosterone psychosis justifies rape.This is not a real thing. so your comparison is invalid.
>>155143197Seeing happy people and doing nice things makes me happy.
>>155142837>men getting rape does not carry the same feel of violation as the potentiality of carrying the seed and bringing to term your rapistMen can be turned into eunuchs which is WORSE than being raped.
>>155143015how is it self defense?>>155142376how is it justified? are you just talking about fiction>>155142996its illegal for the state to rape
>>155143273Goddam you are stupid
>>155143241Or trolling or an anti-natalist nihilist annihilationist ilk.
>>155142265>One evil is fine but another isn't. You're vile.how am I vile? there's situations where killing is justified. Why is it evil to kill someone who broke into your house and is attempting to kill you?
>>155143273Imagine you are attacked by a member of a group, and you know others will soon follow. So you rape the man who attacked you so that others who want to follow will say "We shouldn't go after him, if he beats us he'll just end up raping us..."
>>155142266The difference is that the women can't learn her leccion because she is DEAD.
>>155142044what if you really want to sleep with someone but they refuse, then they fall into a coma?
>>155143287justified doesnt meant the act itself isnt evilit just means you do not carry responsibility for that action because you had no choice in the matter, but the act itself was still bad
>>155142468I would be down for Gordon doing the same to Harley and Ivy.
>>155142468for most thats just dark humor. they're not morally justifying it.
>>155143267>Men can be turned into eunuchs which is WORSE than being raped.it is worse for men as women dont get castrated I agree
>>155142390Slavery is evil. Anything you want done, you can either do yourself or have someone do it of their own free will.It inevitably falls under the "torture is evil" issue. What happens when someone doesn't do what you want them to do? Do you hurt them? There you are. Ontologically evil.
