Punisher and most vigilante street-crime characters just feel out of place the modern day, In real life, crime in New York is mostly a handful of stabbings involving mentally ill homeless guys. The most serious organized crime in New York these days is basically Albanian gangs selling weed and over the counter meds.
where's the /co/ here
Ok but Marvel has this guy.
I tried to be a superhero for real, but the hardest part was actually finding crimes to stop
>>155145629>Punisher and most vigilante street-crime characters
Anon the type of crime seen in most comics really was never a thing. Crime is sudden or discreet.You probably never had a gang of multiracial criminals with coordinated fashion calling themselves “the Creeps” slowly popping out of the bushes to mug someone while giving a superhero enough time and space to stop them. There’s not secret meetings of every gang in the state coming together so they can easily get picked off in one swoop. It’s a narrative convenience and makes for a better villain to cathartically have defeated
>>155145745The multiracial element was always dumb(though there were a few exceptions, mostly involving White and Hispanics), but street gangs as a major source of crime did exist, both on a larger scale, with gangs such as the Bloods, Vice Lords, Sureños and Hammerskins, and on a local level, with teens and young men who decided they wanted to become pushers and they often picked flashy names and gimmicks, one of the best examples being the Decepticons.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decepticons_(gang)
>>155145745Once again, /co/ proves how sheltered and ignorant it is.
That is why they kill them. Criminals reproduce asexually from their corpses.
>>155145620Similar thing with Detroit. it never actually recovered, but everyone basically left, leading to a massive demographic decline. Now there are so few people that crime is simply harder to commit and there is less to gain from it.
>>155145620It's funny how people act like the world has completely gone to hell, but violent crime is actually way down compared to the 20th century. Though I imagine part of that is fewer young people going out and wandering around getting into trouble, because they're more likely to be at home online.
>>155146056A lot of it has to do with under reportingTrust me new york compared to when I grew up is a total dump now, it actually was nice here for a whileIt's pretty much on its way to being Gotham again like it was in the 70sHere's one example, there's a drug dealer that stands on the same corner all the timeCops don't even pick him up anymore, straight from the narc detectives mouth "if we arrest him he's back there by lunch time" so they don't even bother
>>155146056>>155146138It depends on the region. The Middle East is dealing with War, while Eastern Europe is facing its first conventional war since the end of WW2. But yeah globally, violent crime and insurgencies are down. The current form of crime consists mostly of scams and exploitation, which are a whole other issue.
>>155145654Yep, it's difficult becasue in reality, most crimes that do happen are random and if anything, unless you have criminalogy based kind of training, you're not gonna find that many criminals doing crazy shit.
>>155146548Unless you have augmented senses. Able to hear and process everything (or do so with surveillance&computer / magic), or detect danger, or have a way to be quickly summoned, or something. Or be able to patrol very efficiently (superspeed, tower where you can see it all). Bunch of different things you can do in a world of gadgets and powers, but they don't always bother. Maybe because they feel it's not really necessary or even adds to the story for anyone other than the most autistic of us?
>>155146548Well it just sucks that I spent so much time running sprints, bouldering, and becoming an expert in karate and jiujitsu only for the most heroic things I've ever done to be helping a guy unstick his SUV that lost traction on some ice, and intercepting a toddler about to run into the streetI've also returned at least a half dozen lost petsTurns out the real villain is the unexpected inconveniences of daily life
>>155145620Most bad guys that you would encounter as a vigilante can genuinely be put down with 9mm.You're not running into Mongol or Abomination every day
>>155145620>handful of stabbingsNYC is one of the most dangerous cities in the world and crime is going up. The city hides it by not publishing crime stats to central databases anymore to make it harder to find.https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/cities-nationwide-not-reporting-crime-data-to-fbi/It's all getting worse with Mamdani too.But you're onto something as basically all crime in NYC is done exclusively by 3 groups. Black youths, homeless, and migrants.
>>155145620Punisher should a mexican hunting down cartels. That's the only raceswap I will ever accept.
>>155147039>all crime in NYC is done exclusively by 3 groups. Black youths, homeless, and migrants.Unfortunately all together that makes up a majority of the city
>>155145854>HammerskinsNeil Druckmann formed a gang?
>>155147066hence why Mamdani won. Replacement demographics and social parasitism ensured his victory through numbers.
>>155147001>helping a guy unstick his SUV that lost traction on some ice, and intercepting a toddler about to run into the street>I've also returned at least a half dozen lost petsThat's pretty heroic. For comparison, I shitpost on 4chan and play video games.
>>155145620>genre that has its conceptual roots in the Public Enemy era of the 1930s and the Golden Age of sci-fi does not accurately reflect crime statistics of a century later
>>155145854yeah during the leaded fuel era, that shit was real>>155147039I was told NYC was finally safe proving that zealous policing and pricing out of the poor really do work. I remember thinking it was almost a shame, new york crime is like, an american institution.
>>155146548and if you COULD just wade out into the street and find crime every time? that would mean there's 1000 times more crime you're not catching. so you aren't making a difthis is the depressing thing about the cape genre. we want it to be like a videogame adventure where you just go to the forest and there's tons of shit to kill to help the kingdom, but... well, it is like a videogame, it keeps respawning.
>>155147039There are obvious crimes happening, but like I said, these crimes happen on different scales. Some of the more obvious violent crimes are being committed by homeless or mentally ill individuals, but there are also professional scams and exploitation of the system. It’s not the traditional idea of crime being committed by various groups of new arrivals(and some old arrivals in terms of Haredi)
>>155147162NYC is not safe. It has the 375x crime rate of Tokyo. It’s just lower by the standards of US cities thanks to aggressive policing in the 90s and 2000s that is being undone now
>>155145620But it's not real life. Imagine how many more crimes there'd be in a world where many random people could obtain a power or gadget that lets them rape or rob (even big scores like a bank) with little fear of being killed or caught. World like that, crime in general is also high like it is when there's a major cartel/gang problem or war on drugs or whatever. But worse, because even with superheros taking care of it, you never know if half the city is about to be leveled (or gassed or mind controlled or temporarily erased or).Also, doesn't the Punisher do a lot after-the-fact retribution rather than catching people in the act?
>>155147039>>155147066>>155147093So make a punisher type vigilante that goes after migrant rape gangs and the NGOs the try to make them undeportable.
>>155146056I genuinely believe most of the Western world has been obfuscating or outright lying about crime statistics since the supposed violent crime peak of the 1990s.
>>155145654Holy shit this reminded me of a guy I knew in high school who tried to start an organization to fight against problems in our home town. The thing is, we're from an incredibly safe and affluent town in Northern California. No gangs, no serious drug use, super liberal, etc.
>>155147341It was on the reverse until the mid-2010s when cities started manipulating data. Trayvon Martin was really the start of it
>>155145629OP is fitting that square peg in a round hole knowing full well that the talk about superheroes will be minimal or nonexistent.
>>155145620yeah man, lets bring back the good ole days, where immigrants in new york could sell hard drugs and face littleto no repercussions for doing so. that'll bring back the good old days, versus today's disneyfication that makes the streets safer but harder for locals to do drugs and actually arrest the usual foreign infiltrates who sell drugs to locals that continue the cycle of hard drug use and organised crime
>>155147382He just wanted to wear a bandana over his face and kick old people.
>>155145620It’s become unacceptable to have the Punisher mow down realistic (black) drug dealers while at the same time unacceptable to lean into the fantastical aspects of the setting and put him in comic books that are comic booky. So what’s the solution? The Punisher is a ripoff of Mack Bolan, the Executioner, who in part because of this kind of thing was soft-rebooted into a black ops agent who did all the same shit he did before but legally.
>Vigilante characters feel dated because crime doesn't happen anymore!Are you actually retarded? Like, clinically, medically retarded?
>>155147332Migrant gangs are closer to Mafia's, they operate a broader system in which entire family structures work with and assist them, not only for the purpose of sexual abuse but also for embezzlement and scams. They are able to do this because they come from low-trust societies where institutions are weak or ineffective. This behavior would be more limited in their countries of origin and would fail miserably in places such as China and other second-world countries. In the West however, the conditions are particularly conducive to such networks. They can easily be stopped by government authorities, but the current form of Western liberalism prevents it.
>>155147530>corruption and crime would be more limited in the corrupt shitholes lacking effective institutions You really think people fresh off the boat are pulling off complex and often multilayered racketeering without having already pulled it off back home?
>Achtually violent crime is rampant and it’s Mad Max out there>I know this because I’m a bigot, all the stats are lies!Well I’m convinced. One question though: Why are you ignoring what crime infested shitholes red states are when their murder rates are way higher and just bitch about New York all the time?
>you can't have fictional scenarios in your fictional comic, it has to be based on real life!This is leftist drivel trying to push the medium to be about nothing but modern politics.
>>155147661>The random opinion of one idiot troll on 4chan is obviously part of a leftist conspiracy! They want to make everything politics!It seems like you're doing a good job of making everything politics all by yourself their bud.
>>155145620It's a fantasy setting soo.. Applies less to Punisher which often shies away from fantasy but applies very much to Daredevil etc., who usually fight people with names like the Owl and Bullseye, ninjas, etc. As for Punisher he doesn't strictly stick to New York, he travels the world to kill interesting people. But fantasy still works as an answer for him, mafia can be a big deal in New York as a fantasy just like Galactus and Dormammu can be a fantasy.
>>155147406To give OP some credit, I think the way superhero comics depict "real crime" and how it affects the way steet-level heroes and villains are written is an interesting topic of discussion.Although to be fair, I don't think comics ever had realistic depictions of random or organized crime.
>>155147641Red states murder rates are higher because they have a large black population
If street crime was fixed in 616 New York City then Frank would just move to some crime infested shithole and start taking their criminals out. Or maybe start taking out supervillains who keep arrested and escaping.
It's boring when the hero fights guys who maybe have guns or knives. The point of superheroes are flashy abilities above humanity and struggle to remain a person while living a life of violence against other weird people.
>>155147641see >>155147530
>>155145620Okay but what if he was in LA
>>155148270He kills a few homeless crazy guys and goes to war against the cartel's.
>>155147382What episode of the simpsons is he talking about? Bart the General maybe?
>>155148449Homer the Vigilante
>>155145620except your premise is bullshit. any writer can interview law enforcement, even retired law enforcement and prisoners under supervision to get ideas about how things still work-there are still cartels-there are still dangerous drug dealers-there are still pedo rings, some of which are in the ruling class-there are still journalists who are murdered for political reasons-there have been union leaders who were murdered by capitalists through history-there are still bikers-there is still prostitution and as long as it's not regulated there are still crime organizations that -you can look beyond NYC, there is zero reason just to keep it at NYC, ports are ports that smuggle contraband from all over the world-war crimes and war criminals exist and are not brought to justice by international courts>street crime characters feel out of placeno they don't. current moon knight has great art and he has daredevil with a roster of supernatural allies like blade and ghost rider fighting supernatural enemies. there's no reason you can't spice it up with demonic criminals. earth 616 has magic and aliens, there could even be portals that aliens traffic things to earth withyou bring up punisher. street level vigilantes are not a problem. disney and marvel refusing to hire good writers is the problem. punisher and x-23 should have already been a team up to hunt pedo rings and human trafficking because it's punisher's bag and because of x-23's alternative origin story. street level heroes can ask any powerful psychic mutant to use cerebro and find people. if criminals are hiring protection from psychic scans, that's a whole new way to thicken plots with other various villainshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organized_crime#Typical_activities
>>155147687>Daredevil etc., who usually fight people with names like the Owl and Bullseye, ninjas, etc.This is one my favorite things about bronze age marvel, daredevil and spiderman are still fighting mobsters, but the mobsters are all creeps like the owl and hammerhead and tombstone, and they hire dudes like Bullseye and Sabertooth. That's tight as hell, they should do that more today.
>>155146548>>155146993>>155147001steven segal said when he was on patrol that the trick to stopping crime is seeing it before it happens. to read people, locations and behaviors of crowds. he was right
>>155145620Are you saying there's no heroin in NYC? Or that the people selling it aren't worthy of a vigilante murderer's attention for some reason?
>>155148706Well I have precognition with up to 80% accuracy of the event details, the only problem is its indiscernible from a regular daydream so I won't know until it happens.
>>155145620Same way superheroes bend the hard sciences of physics genetics radiology ect to make their stories work they can bend the soft sciences of psychology sociology political science ect.Same way an irradiated spider could emit its own dna into spider-man some long forgotten social ill could be increasing marvels new York's organized crime tenfold.Downside to drawing the world outside your window, life matches on and what was true in the 60s won't be true in the 90s and beyond. That is why Gotham is still crime ridden to this day. Its an amalgam of the worst parts of city life so no matter what era it will still suffer the prominent social ill as that is its function.
>>155145644Not enough rings here. Fire the costume designer responsible.
>>155147039And there's only one hero who can stop them!
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