>>155235297
>I mean, he hates all humans
married a gypsy and had kids with onw
>and wanted them genocided, soooooo
more of a preemptive response to sentinels and what have you
he's had access to nukes, if he wanted *all* humans dead he would've pulled the trigger
his main goal has always been to build outer heaven for mutants

He's Jewish, dim bulb.

>>155235363
But he talks about being the masterrace, and he's expressed interest multiple times in genociding the human race.

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>>155235410
He's also talked about killing the X-Men/Xavier, but he never does
Don't hate a homie for cutting a promo
can a mugga get some motion?

There's no reality in which Magneto becomes who he is and supports the Nazis. Even if you made him the victim of another genocide, I'm really dubious. Like the ONLY way is maybe if you make him raised in indoctrination of Islamists after suffering under an Israeli attack or occupation. But even then it's a stretch since Magneto is regularly disgusted by the attrocities Man is capable of and his ultimate hypocrisy that he counts himself out of humanity so he doesn't see oppressing normal humans as the same thing.

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>>155235297
Red Skull is pure evil and whatever he says should never be taken as face value. However...

>>155235499
cut to magneto dropping a pile of bricks on johann's skull

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>>155235528
K

>>155235543
gets me every time

>>155235543
>>155235557
No

>>155235471
Yeah, but that just kinda circles back to the question anyways.

>>155235410
>wouldn't a je- mutant who says go- fukken normals support racism, aka the holo- sentinels?
When I am weaker than you I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.

>>155235499
>as far as I can determine you're not actually a nazi as to not offend anyone, especially in management or advertising
>are we not alike? You killed an entire submarine's worth of men once, that's like what I did every weekend during WWII when I wasn't paid to drink the blood of russians, bomb british children, and rape french women
I remember when Superman killed Nazis and Japs by the hundreds...

>>155235717
>I remember when Superman killed Nazis and Japs by the hundreds...
I remember when Superman abducted politicians and forced them to do as he said.

>>155235297
The Krakoa-era X-Men showed us that the mutant community are fine with mutants who hate all humans and want to kill or enslave them all, but treat mutants who are bigoted against specific groups of humans like they're the worst people on the island.

>>155235458
>He's also talked about killing the X-Men/Xavier, but he never does
He tried often enough. He even twice tried to set off nuclear weapons that would destroy entire cities just so the X-Men would be killed in the blast.

>>155235803
>He tried often enough.
did he though? He pretty much always solos the X-Men, you'd think he'd finish the job

>>155235297
Congratulations, OP, you're beginning to grasp the subtext of Magneto as he's been characterized for about half a century now.

>>155235297
Biggest tourist of the year award
Leave, secondary

>>155235297
I saw a panel on twitter earlier where Erik is talking to this.. white beastly looking dude and he refuses to commit genocide on muggles sooo..

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>>155235499
they never post how this story ends

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>>155236401

>>155235499
>>155236401
Man cape comics really peaked in the 80s

>>155235297
Magneto wants to rule humanity because of the tragedy he went through. Without the Holocaust he'd be the same bleeding heart as Charles.

>>155235543
>No...
Why is Wanda so upset about Magneto smashing Red Skull's head in? Probably the most justified kill Magneto has ever done.

>>155236417
>if I kill my enemies, they win
I guess at least he imprisoned him
That's more than you can say about modern heroes, or real life

>>155236448
I forget exactly but they wanted him alive, likely to reverse some of the characters that were Axis'd. Since he was killed some characters like Iron Man stayed with their alignment flipped. Then Secret Wars happened.

>>155236448
Wanda and Havok had both bet money on Red Skull winning

>>155236448
I don't remember Remender's schlock from this period but Red Skull around this time has completely coopted Charlie X's deceased telepath brain and there's an Onslaught connection I don't completely remember so it's feasible Wanda wanted to protect the corpse of mutant Jesus rather than punish evil

>>155235471
Anon, let's get something out of the way.
You can support the idea of what a Nazi is supposed to be without actually supporting the Nazi's.

The modern myth of the nazi and ww2 is almost completely extinct now. The ideas behind them are more known then ever before.

The problem here is that, as I've said the ideas and evil they represent is not acknowledged unless it's attached too or perfomed by said accepted groups.

No one will ever talk about the jewish bolsheviks genocide of the white christians. Ever. Didn't happen. Must have been nazis.
The great leap forward which was just a massive enslavement and culling of the chinese people and many smaller ethnic races in china?
Nope.
Not even the great potato faminine is accurately called an attempt to ethnically clense ethnic irish.

But the nazi's. Oh, they are the one and only group who have dun a genocide.

>>155236573
>You can support the idea of what a Nazi is supposed to be without actually supporting the Nazi's.
wrong on sentence two
nice try slugger

>>155236613
ESL policing native english speakers will never stop being funny.

>>155236573
nice cherry picking
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides

>>155236780
The fact that you called what I posted cherry picking, ran to wikipedia and still don't understand what I'm saying is telling.

Yes, magneto would genocide the people of israel with a magneto bomb if the israeli were antimutant and tried to wipe out mutant israel..sorry "KRAKOA/GENOSHA".

>>155236715
yea get that the fuck out of this country if you're gonna try that nazi shit faggot

>>155235297
no, but he does support Israel and the multiple wars of extermination for self defense against flatscan I mean palestinians!

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I shouldn't be surprised the thread turned out this way with what the OP was but for a brief bit it was actually about comics.

>>155235297
He hates all humans because he was too short to ride the holocoaster at the time

>>155236401
In the final battle of this storyline BOTH the Red Skull and Dr Doom were revealed to be robot doubles because the real ones knew when to GTFO. As he was being captured, the Wizard looked and them and said "Why didn't I think of that?!"

>>155235363
yea but hes a jewish mutant
its like saying the nazi wouldn't support the holocaust because they are human

>>155237060
It can still be saved, I just KNOW it!

You're overthinking. This is all fiction. Magneto, X-Men, the Holocaust, they're not real.

>>155235471
He'd never support the Nazis, but they arguably imprinted their ideology on him anyways when they broke him. That's the entire point of his interplay with Red Skull >>155235499.

>>155237060
the thread is already opening with a strawman so I'm not sure what you expect

>>155237008
Cope

>>155239739
jamoke

>>155239723
That's what I said anon but I was pleasantly surprised it didn't immediately devolve into it and actually talked about Magneto and Red Skull.

>>155237095
>Dr Doom
you mean magneto?
Because Cap decapitates a Magneto bot a few issues later, which is a different story

>>155236837
>Yes, magneto would genocide the people of israel with a magneto bomb if the israeli were antimutant and tried to wipe out mutant israel..sorry "KRAKOA/GENOSHA".
Well the better question at the heart of this is were the jewish people against the Holocaust because it was wrong or because it happened to be against them?
Looking at Gaza in the modern day gives us our answer. Magneto when he was an actual villain instead of the amalgam he is now would Holocaust the shit out of nonmutants.

>>155239853
Stfu

>>155239879
Pretending mid-20th century European Jews would have had the same attitudes as modern ethnostate Israelis, as if nothing had happened between then and now, is real dumb.

>>155239920
>Pretending mid-20th century European Jews would have had the same attitudes as modern ethnostate Israelis, as if nothing had happened between then and now, is real dumb.
Wrong and bullshit. Look up how much of Israel's founding is down to terrorism before you say stupid shit.

>>155239934
Yeah after they were genocided or are you talking about the riots in palestines ? That wouldn’t have happened if the Nazis didn’t started killing Jews

>>155239972
Nice cope

>>155239972
>Yeah after they were genocided or are you talking about the riots in palestines ? That wouldn’t have happened if the Nazis didn’t started killing Jews
Proving my point admirably. They don't care about the fact that it was wrong, just that it was done against them.

>>155239934
If you actually cared about the evils of Israel or the plight of Gaza you'd be shitting on Israel for the correct reasons, not invoking some race-plot. You'd get more traction that way, but you wouldn't get to feel better about yourself by airing your racist fantasies.

>>155239981
Who's "they"? 99.9% of Israelis weren't born at the time, numbnuts.

>>155239983
You lost

>>155239983
Pathetic redirect, dismissed.
>>155240001
>Who's "they"? 99.9% of Israelis weren't born at the time, numbnuts.
Pathetic attempt to argue passage of time mitigates the crimes committed.
Magneto would genocide nonmutants as a matter of course because jews aren't some special ethnicity with good morals, they're just humans throwing a deadly tantrum because they had to work hard in camps one time.

>>155235363
>>155235410
>He's Jewish
>he talks about being the masterrace, and he's expressed interest multiple times in genociding the human race
Impressive amount of realism from a superhero comic

>>155240033
>>155240018
>>155239981
At this point I believe even mentioning Israel should be a red flag for the mods to come moderate and delete posts.Anyone mentioning in the Holocaust even happened so get the mods attention because that is going to be a red signal for the anti-semites.

>>155235350
>achieves his goal
>immediately sabotages it by putting morally bankrupt mutants in leadership positions, letting them take actions that actively justify mutant hatred across the entire world
What the fuck was he thinking

>>155240018
>Pathetic attempt to argue passage of time mitigates the crimes committed.
This doesn't even make sense. The fact that almost no living Israeli is a holocaust survivor is an attempt to mitigate... something? Gibberish.

You're playing directly into Israel's hands, since they go to great lengths to paint anyone who criticises their bullshit as antisemitic. They love people like you. They get to be martyrs the likes of which Christians have wet dreams of being. But of course you don't actually give a shit about their crimes per se, it's just masturbation for you.

>>155240058
>This doesn't even make sense. The fact that almost no living Israeli is a holocaust survivor is an attempt to mitigate... something? Gibberish.
>
>You're playing directly into Israel's hands, since they go to great lengths to paint anyone who criticises their bullshit as antisemitic. They love people like you. They get to be martyrs the likes of which Christians have wet dreams of being. But of course you don't actually give a shit about their crimes per se, it's just masturbation for you.
And you're an idiot. The question is if if Magneto, who survived the Holocaust would commit another one upon people he didn't agree with for the sake of his ideals. Jews as evidenced by their occupation of land that never belonged to them and their attempt to erase an entire population would indeed do that. They're not special, they're not interesting, they're human and they suck.

>>155240054
I see no reason to not trust Mister Sinister, Cassandra Nova, and Apocalypse

>>155235297
Why the fuck wouldn't he? He knows what happens when minorities that are minorities with capital M get targeted, only he can fuck up the magnetosphere to fuck everyone up rather than just bomb savages.

>>155239983
Yep they are hellbent on making it about race, can't be about rich israelí semites killing poor palestinian semites

Not for race but because they are poor

>>155240107
Well that IS also about race/religion. Israel'se an apartheid state. But it's not some Protocols of Zion thing, they evolved into a racist shitbag country through a clearly observable and natural course of history, no boogeymen required.

>>155240074
>They're not special, they're not interesting
Apparently they are to you.

>>155240124
Eh, all arab states are apartheid states, is just that they killed their minorities off. Israel's trying not to, even though nature says they should.

>>155235297
No, cause Magneto is right

>>155240231
They're not trying very hard. If you listen to their government without the whitewashing for the foreign press they're pretty open about it even. We all expect the arab states to be shit but Israel doing an ethnic cleansing is an embarrassment to the west.

>>155239983
yeah but these people are fuckin animals bro
the key to the right wing is that everyone and everything is a tool for their own hyperindividualistic game
they're only as pro life as the power they're allowed to wield

>>155240317
Seethe
>>155240323
Learn to spell, retard

>>155240323
I thought Israeli jews spoke good English.

>>155240124
It can't be about race because them and palestinians are the same race

Is about nationality and money

>>155240342
I said this yesterday but 2016 was 10 years ago dawg
get new whiteboy material

>>155240383
The Knesset disagrees with you.
>The realization of the right to national self-
determination in the State of Israel is exclusive to the Jewish People.

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>>155240416
is anyone denying that israel is a fascist government?
what does this have to do with magneto? Cuz he's a jew?
because the whole point of Claremont's vision for the character was that Magneto gradually evolve beyond that Beginite caricature

>>155240434
are you saying you're a dark skinned nazi? because that tracks with the kids I'm teaching these days.

>>155240416
Palestinians are semites, saudis are semites, the arabs that live in palestine are semites, they are just killing semites while making it about religion

>>155240291
Trying is still trying. So what if they're open about ethnic cleansing? As a jew I'm pretty fucking happy that for once WE are the ones getting away with genociding the genociders. Kids dying? Lol, fuck them kids, they're goblins

>>155240604
>Trying is still trying. So what if they're open about ethnic cleansing? As a jew I'm pretty fucking happy that for once WE are the ones getting away with genociding the genociders. Kids dying? Lol, fuck them kids, they're goblins
And there it is, so yes Magneto would indeed conduct and support a Holocaust.

>>155239145
Yeah, it's pretty obvious that his problem with the Nazis is the fact he wasn't the one wearing the jackboots. We even have House of M to show us what his ideal world looks like and it's a brutal and violently oppressive totalitarian state.

>>155240604
>>155240615
cool samefag dude

>>155236401
>>155236417
>chadneto
This doesn't actually prove anything of what he said wrong though

Magneto literally believes mutants are a master race who needs to replace humanity. Objectively, he is no different than red skull in any way other than being socially acceptable.

>>155240740
>cool samefag dude
I don't know why people like you are so quick to whine about truth just because it irritates you, not having that cover for your hypocrisy really makes you mad doesn't it?

>>155240757
notice you didn't deny samefagging back there

>>155235297
Why would he support something that never happened?

>>155240752
This is the most secondary media take I've ever seen
he wants to build a mutant nation, then he builds a mutant nation
he's got a bodycount, yea, but he's never tried to exterminate humans
if he did, he wouldn't have bailed out the humans when he lit up that volcano and he wouldn't have exiled the genoshan humans when he took over, he would have put them in camps like the genoshans put mutants in camps

>>155240585
Race is arbitrary. To an American, a full-blooded Kenyan and a three-quarter Norwegian one-quarter Mauritanian are both "black". To Israel, if you have at least one Jewish grandparent you are of the Jewish race. It's baked into their law and their culture and its given teeth by sixty years of violence. You saying you don't see colour on a Victorian velocipede forum doesn't make the average Israeli less racist against Arabs.

>>155240848
>okay well he never succeeded but that doesn't count
Magneto constantly talks about wanting mutants to replace humanity, just because he gets cucked by the x-men doesn't mean that stops being true

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>>155235297
It depends on which era of Magneto we're talking about.
The Lee/Kirby era version of Magneto probably would, dude's basically just Hitler in every measure.
Claremont era Magneto wouldn't support it because he is a Jew at heart, even though he pretends to be above such things.
90s Magneto is a psychopath with a god complex, dude probably has more blood on his hands than Hitler just from Fatal Attractions.
Modern Magneto wouldn't do it because even though he still kinda has a god complex he's extended his sympathy to most people being persecuted.

>>155240848
>he's got a bodycount, yea, but he's never tried to exterminate humans
Genuinely retarded, he's made multiple attempts to either destroy or enslave humanity. Just because he never succeeded because everybody kept beating his ass doesn't mean those attempts don't count.

Saying "he's got a bodycount" like a few hundred thousand to potentially a million is some small thing.

>>155240848
>he's got a bodycount, yea, but he's never tried to exterminate humans
>conveniently forgets all the times Magneto’s said he wants to kill normal humans to make way dor “homo superior”

>>155240863
I realize they look more germanic now I also realize that them looking more germanic also made them more genocidal

Maybe the race is the bad

>>155240866
>>okay well he never succeeded but that doesn't count
the x-men have never once defeated Magneto. He's always gotten away or outright solo'd the X-Fags
>>155240888
>>155240891
I'm gonna need some panels otherwise I'm getting a lot of bullshit on this line.

>>155240926
I'd be astonished if in sixty years Magneto has never tried to destroy or enslave humanity, honestly. Like >>155240883 points out, he's at least four different dudes.

>>155240883
Is that Age of Apocalypse evil Beast or is 616 Beast white and evil now?

>>155240969
616 Beast is evil, Age of Apocalypse Beast is also still evil but he's like, a severed head in one of Sinister's labs.

>>155240948
Astonishing it is

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>>155240948
You know his first appearance was him outright saying he intends to enslave humanity for “homo superior”, right?

Like I’d get the skepticism if this was modern day Magneto after all the character development, but that’s it. It’s after he realized he went too far. He was all about making himself king of the mutants and subsequently the world. It’s just the X-men made him reconsider that he doesn’t have to destroy society nor kill the X-men to see his dream of mutants on top inevitably come true. He just has to be their protector, not their king.

But yeah. Total evil one dimensional dick until Claremont came along. No contest. Dude was willing to shut down the earth’s entire magnetic field as a casual flex.

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>>155240948
you certainly have your dark periods like the Roy Thomas run in the 60s and the regression in the 90s where things were phrased in terms of human subjugation, with Magneto as overlord. You've never had 'Neto in a true Hitlerian role trying to exterminate humans outside of like the ultimate universe, that's a fiction
Stan and Jack's Magneto is very clearly a bit of a parody of Castro/Guevara/60s pinko revolutionaries where he's attacking military bases and trying to perform a big global upset.
Roy Thomas' Magneto was an evil bastard, good thing like 5 people read those issues and two liked them. Roy is the guy that got the series canceled
Claremont's X-Men has Magneto very frequently threatening the world infrastructure in a similar way to the Kirby years
people in this thread will wiki hound and say "HE TRIED TO NUKE THE WORLD in X-FUCKERS #61" but every time you read the shit in a non 90s comic it's like pic related

>>155236401
>>155236417
Ok, he took out Red Skull. Great, wonderful, phenomenal. Question though, will he stop trying to make mutants the master race or is he just getting rid of competition?

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>>155241082
>tries to scare people first,
>gradually escalates, explicitly doesn't kill any humans
>makes a fool out of the military
seems pretty based to me
if we're going 60s you'd have better luck with that Avengers 111 appearance where he tried three mile islanding the US to make mutants

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>>155241144
He's stopped trying to make mutants the master race during Claremont's run. Outside of a portion of the 90s X Men, Magneto has been very consistent with how Claremont developed him. Even during the Krakoa era where Magneto reverts a bit to his early characterization, he has a change of heart while written by Al Ewing, which has him act more in line with Claremont's version.

Magneto has been portrayed in comics for most of his history by Claremont's characterization. Asking if Magneto will stop trying to make mutants master race is liking asking when Eddie Brock will stop trying to kill Spider-Man.

With all this being said I feel like writers whitewash Magneto's behavior at times.

>>155240883
>Claremont
$10 says Claremont is the actual hypocrite, and he just never noticed the irony of Jewish Magneto wanting to genocide people.

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>>155241833
He 100% understood the irony, actually.

>>155241927
Yeah, but they don't answer the Jewish question. Did he support the holocaust?