Miles cares more about being Puerto Rican than he does about being a New Yorker
That's why he isn't suitable

NOBODY hates Hobie.
Yes there are people who only hate Miles because he's black, I think more people these days hate him because he's derivative and doesn't serve the actual function of a legacy character since Peter isn't allowed to grow up in the first place

>>155237791
People didn't care for the All New All Different initiative in general. Kamala, Miles, and Robbie were really the only ones people outright liked. Amadeus Cho was Asian and people didn't like his Hulk at all.

Yes people fucking hate Indian super heroes

>>155237791

>another disguised /pol/ bait-thread
sigh... i guess i'll bite:

miles is well-received, at least as well-received as a legacy character can be. they did a good job at not making him "black spiderman", he's his own character with his own distinct power set and it's made abundantly clear in the first spiderverse series that miles struggles with being brave and confident and kick-ass like his compatriots are. even in the second film, he struggles to accept the universal laws of being a spider-person. he fights fate itself, and it gets everyone to hate him. luckily, everything turns out fine because his dad retired from the police.

miles's defining characteristics is that he's a young, inexperienced kid but he will absolutely jump head-first into danger if his friends or family are in danger, even if it risks literally splitting the universe apart at the themes.

granted, i haven't read any of the actual spiderman comics, but if he's whining about diversity or oppression then i can see why people might hate him. but lots of characters have been misused as writer mouthpieces, if they're popular enough they'll outlast the authors

>>155237791
>Do you think Miles would get as much hate as he does if he were any other race?
wym? I always thought people like him. Spiderverse 1 & 2 all made like a biillion dollars.
Wouldn't be the case, if people hated Miles Morales

Make Miles white and he has literally nothing.
He was always cardboard the character, as are damn near all Spider knock-offs.
The industry used to make fun of trends like this decades ago.

>>155237859
>>155237885
>OP posts from comics
>talk about Spiderverse
>not even the comic spiderverse, the adaptation which is only in the very most loosest terms adapted
Lads name a stand-out Miles comic ready for adaptation.

He’s based

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>>155237859
>Granted, i haven't read any of the actual spiderman comics
And there it is.

Comic Miles is, functionally speaking “Black Peter” in all but name. He has the same scientific interests, same wise-cracking personality, everything. This worked well enough in his initial introduction following Peter’s death in Ultimate Spider-Man, but since his translation into 616, he just becomes hollow and redundant due to existing alongside Peter, rather than in his wake.

Spiderverse did a good job actually making him stand on his own two feet as a character via giving him some actual meat that wasn’t just recycled from Peter. Problem is, virtually none of that got transferred over to his comic self, leaving him as someone whose depth is literally skin-deep, whilst the writers bend over backwards to avoid acknowledging this.

This brings us neatly to Miles as he is now; someone who constantly gets gimmicks thrown at him to try and fill the gaping void that is his complete lack of character. Electric constructs, anime references, being the chosen of a spider god, being a vampire, having an ‘in’ with Wakanda, none of this actually fixes the core problem, but it lets them avoid acknowledging how much of a ‘nothing’ character he really is, and how Spiderverse objectively wrote him better.

>>155237822
>NOBODY hates Hobie
That's because he's a damn near non-entity. What's he even DOING these days?

>>155238072
>Comic Miles is, functionally speaking “Black Peter” in all but name. He has the same scientific interests, same wise-cracking personality, everything. This worked well enough in his initial introduction following Peter’s death in Ultimate Spider-Man
Ult Miles wasn't a goddamned thing like Peter. His educational thing was Law and he was much more serious and stoic than either 616 or Ult Peter.

>>155237822
Miles is harmless, anything to fault him on is a symptom of infinitely larger problems making him and the bakers dozen spiders superfluous.
Everyone is in arrested development, nobody can mature or even be the 'mature one'. Spider-Woman can't even keep her kid, they want kid characters but no children of their own. The anti-natalism of this office is a bizarre phenomenon.

>>155237791
>Do you think Miles would get as much hate as he does if he were any other race?
Do you think Miles would still be around if he were any other race?

>>155237791
if everyone is spider-man, no one is spider-man

>>155237791
>do you think he gets hate because of his race

blade disproves this. wake the fuck up.

>>155237822
>NOBODY hates Hobie.
Marvel does, he cannot even fucking be his own invented superhero anymore, has to be a derivative of Peter or a multiversal derivative of Peter

>>155237791
Him having literally no history with Peter despite living in his universe and being retconned to always have lived there is truly baffling. If it was DC they’d already have 5 years worth of retroactive material showing them working together
>>155238109
>Law
Didn’t matter at all, he was barely in school anyway.
>much more serious and stoic
No he wasn’t. He acted like that during moments of tragedy, like Ult Peter, and retired that one time. (Guess what Ult Peter did when Bendis brought him back)

>>155237791
>Do you think Miles would get as much hate as he does if he were any other race? Would an Asian or Hispanic Miles be more well received?
He wouldn't be as hated, or liked, he'd get no reception at all really. In America the only culturally relevant races are Whites, Blacks, and Hispanics in that order and even so there's a gap between Black and Hispanic. All Miles really has is being Black, which I don't think he's great at being either. Peter is more Black unironically.

The most retarded part of he living in 616 is that people also call him Spider-Man, even fucking Gwen is Ghost Spider.

>>155237859
>his own distinct power set
In the sense that he has all of Spider-Man's powers plus a bunch of other powers that don't make sense borrowed from other characters

>>155237791
If he was any other race he would have faded into obscurity years ago and no one would even talk about him. The only reason he gets as much attention as he does is because he is “black spider-man”

>>155238832
Morlun should slurp the spider ones out and he can just use the bioelectric shit to mimic wall crawling and boost his reflexes

>>155237791
It’s not that he’s black, it’s also because they are trying to replace. I’m tired of ethnic replacement of existing Superheroes. It’s shameful and racist.

Zal Zod, John Stewart, and Falcon have all failed despite being unique in personality. Miles Morales is a bar for bar copying nigger who deserved his hate. Fuck Bendis that bald fat faggot

>>155237791
Yeah, see clone Peter. Spiderverse was the only property to recognize people would accept him more if he'd take the sidekick role to an older Spider-Man instead of the replacement role to a still-teenaged one. I don't care if Stan Lee didn't want Spider-Man to have a sidekick, it would had been infinitely more suitable for everyone involved.

>>155237791
>any other race
TF even is a blexican

>>155237791
If he was any other race (and not created by bendis) he wouldnt be used as often desu. Like there'd be less apologisim.

>>155237791
Maybe. The real deal is that Marvel and everyone wants him to replace Peter.

>>155237791
Yes. Bendis is still a terrible writer and people hate seeing characters they like get replaced

>>155237791
Yes, his entrance was fucking awful and so is his personality

>>155237791
>Do you think Miles would get as much hate
He only gets hate here or any other far right sites that talk about comics. I swear to god you people treat him like a boogeyman even though Peter is still getting used. So to answer your question, yes, he does get hate here because he's black. Because if he was white like Spider-Boy then the few people that keep his threads alive would love him.

>>155237791
He gets hated more because of the way he's pushed than due to his race.
While there are people who do hate him solely for his skin color, Miles' main problems are that all of his adaptations and major stories are about how he "deserves" the mantle and that the writers have a weird need to diss Peter(and Miguel in the case of the Spiderverse movie) to elevate Miles.
Nobody gives a flying toss about Miles' comics anymore because he just isn't particularly interesting after being moved to 616. He's just ohh new suit, ohh new power, please care, but his stories are fucking nothingburgers.

>>155237791
No because there would be no reason for him to exist if he was any other race. I mean his costume has an afro hair!!!

>>155239738
Spider-Boy is literally who and a Miles without race has nothing, it's another young youthful Spider-Man to add to the collection. Another capped potentialman waiting for the current editorial zeitgeist to finally die after decades in power.

>>155237791
Miles was not the first black hero, there are tons of black characters that people like. Miles just sucks

>>155237885
lol the two animated movies combined barely made a billion, meanwhile a solo Spider-Man movie is about to make 3B

He would be FAR more hated and wouldn't survive a year if he were any other race including white, he's a dogshit character concept and the ONLY reason he's "liked" or survived this far is the dedicated black defense force in America that will defend dogshit as long as it's black

>>155237791
>I know his race isn't the end all be all of the character
Miles being black is the only reason why Marvel even keeps him around in the first place. If he was hispanic, asian or white Marvel would have swept him under the rug.
I'd go as far as saying that Miles doesn't fans or haters, black Spider-Man has fans and haters. Everything about this character's reception revolves around his race, unfortunately. Nobody even reads his comics, fans or haters.

>>155237791
He wouldn't get pushed nearly as much if he was a different race so in a round about kind of way, yeah he is over hated because he's black. He's a total leech and he exists purely because the most popular character of the 21st century being a white superhero makes libs uncomfortable

>>155237791
Hate for some, indifference for others are fully deserved.
He is the an industry plant of the woke era and Marvel tried to make him replace Peter Parker.
At the same time he has zero memorable stories. So yeah, why would anyone like him?

>>155237791
>Hispanic Miles
heh, Bendis deserves a painful death.

>>155237791
Miles doesn't get hate because of race.
Miles gets hate because of his origins, character, power set and how he's pushed hard to replace Peter.

>>155237791
>>155237791
Had he stayed in Ultimate, he could have became something grand. But after the merger and editorial and in-universe dick sucking, I can't even tell you what his origin is anymore. He's a non character in my eyes.

>Do you think Miles would get as much hate as he does if he were any other race?

A moot point since his whole reason for existence is to be a black replacement. It's a uniquely american concept.
He can't exist without being an innately shit character by default. He's Poochie.

The spiderverse movie with Miles is all the Spiderman I care about

>>155240077
That's because it allows the obvious being mentored and taking on the mantle arc that Miles is denied, making him just another superfluous forever-young Spider-Man in New York.
He'll be getting the hang of being Spider-Man anyday now guys! Another fifteen years!

>>155237791
The problem with Miles is that he's quite literally just black Peter Parker. That's his entire gimmick and personality. He has nothing going for him otherwise which is why writers are constantly stealing things from Peter to give to Miles. Even the Spider-Verse movie essentially turned Peter into a cynical grump just so they could give Miles Peter's classic personality.

He has no reason to exist, he's just a waste of space. The only reason he still does is because there are no writers at Marvel Comics with the balls to kill his ass off permanently.

>>155237791
No, he would have likely been forgotten forever if he was asian or white. Miles is Hispanic btw. He's only popular because they used him in those movies and black people lached on to him because hes black and has spider powers. He has terrible stories and piggy backs on Peter most of the time. Again he's only popular because of his skin color. Spider boy or whatever is destined to fade into absurdity because nobody wants him because hes a boring white kids.

>>155237791
Why are you singling out Miles.
Every major marvel solo hero has a black version or a female version or both.

In some cases they’re asian or Latino, like Amadeus Hulk and Robbie Reyes Ghost Rider

>>155237791
Nope. Penny Parker is a race-swap AND gender swapped Spider-Man, but no one is ever racist or sexist towards her because everyone glazes anime and Japan.
/thread

>>155240135
That and he also has the cool lovestory, his love against a world of intolerance

>>155238088
He’s the new hornet because the first black spiderman also had petes first black supporting heros name stolen

>>155238443
Miles was always deigned as a replacement not a side kick or friend. That’s bendises desire it’s why both ultimate and spiderverse rely on the bitch death of a young Peter because miles is supposed to be THE Spiderman not the next one. If we saw anything from weisman there isn’t anything betwee Peter and miles to write, they genuinely don’t mesh well together in or out of costume. They’re supposed to be equals but no one knows how to write that with miles complete lack of personality so they intentionally tear everyone around him down to prop him up, it’s why the movies and games are written they way they are, there is NOTHING unique or interesting enough about miles to make him stand out on his own merit

>>155238072
This is exactly it.

Spiderverse was a great movie, but it made everyone memoryhole that Comic Miles had been a complete nothing character for the decade+ of his existence, and continues to be so to the present day. Everyone just assumes Miles is a compelling character because they saw him being that in the movie, which funnily enough only proves that they never picked his comics.

Gotta hand it to Marvel. They kept this Poochie alive all this time out of sheer stubborness, until a movie finally managed to make him take off, so the effort definitely paid off.

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>>155237791
Yes. His race isn’t an issue, it’s just a shield his fans use for criticism. The real issue is that Miles has existed for over a decade and a half now, and doesn’t really have anything to show for it outside of Spider-Verse 1. He doesn’t have any iconic storylines like If This Be My Destiny, Spider-Man No More, Kraven’s Last Hunt, and so on. Rather than tell new and interesting stories with him that flesh out his character, or give him internal or external flaws to struggle against, they keep copying story beats from Peter, or give him random power ups as a shortcut to being interesting or likable, while constantly repeating the same storyline of him finding himself, or getting the hang of being Spider-Man. There’s also the fact that he keeps getting shoved into every new Spider-Man project now, or that it feels like they need to knock down Peter just to prop him up. Overall, I think the only way to really fix him at this point is to full detach him from Peter all together, and move him to a different city so he can develop on his own. Give him some good original villains and allies that he can work off of, and stop constantly using everyone else as a crutch.

>>155237859
How is he well received if his runs keep getting cancelled, and normies are starting to get sick of him?

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>>155237791
Now I know this is going to sound crazy, but what if they made a white version of miles?
And since Miles Morales is a boy with spider powers, maybe they could call the new white dude, "Spider-Guy" or something similar like that. And instead of the black and red color scheme he could be red and blue like superman. batshit idea I know.

>>155240914
Spiderverse Is objectively the best Marvel movie ever made

Mostly because of Miles and the blonde having a compelling romance, I can't help but noticing that the worst comic written part of him Is that romance

>>155240996
It objectively isn’t. It’s not the worst, but it isn’t anywhere close to Spider-Man 2 or Iron Man.

>>155241008
Please is animated gorgeously, while fun those movies are also generic fx movies in comparison, also no compelling romance

>>155237791

Probably, a big part of it is how its handled, Miles was literally designed to just be a black Spider Man by Bendis, that is the core part of his identity and sadly its how entertainment how a lot of media has been operating for almost 2 decades.

Hispanic has been getting a much greater push the last couple of years but the whole culture around hispanic identity isn't as anywhere near as obnoxious as the black identity and outside of a handful of woke asians, they don't care, asians have countries that can actually make decent entertainment.

>>155237791
>Do you think Miles would get as much hate as he does if he were any other race?
Is popular everywhere except on /co/. The Spider verse movies made him the third most popular character in the Spider family

>>155241108
As someone who grew up in the 90's before 911, islamophobia and they need to hate on people of color, I liked the diversity hires they were a fun novelty in a painfully generic stuck media who didn't knew what to do with cómics

Any day I would rather have forcefully inserted races over forcefully inserted rape drugs and violence that was the right alternative

This came right after the age of raping and killing characters because muh edge sells

>>155241173

That means very little, Spiderman is not Batman, his supporting characters are not hugely popular in their own right, Sony got lucky with Venom but Venom is no Joker or Harley in terms of branding.

>>155241108
We already have Miguel.

>>155237791
yes people would hate him if he was white, asian or anything else, the race card is just a stupid way to dismiss any criticism

>>155238396
Not to mention the other well received black superheroes, including Static who was "Spider-Man if he was black" in concept.

>>155241257
Can you imagine if Peter Parker was an old man?

The youth card dismiss all criticism

>>155237791
Miles is hispanic

>>155237791
I didn't like Amadeus Cho becoming the Hulk either. There is no reason for it other than to make a character another race. Plus it ruins the formula. Tragedy is part of the Hulk's identity. He is the Mr Hyde and the anger that Banner has bottled up from his lifelong mistreatment. Banner is terrified of letting him out for this reason. And the Hulk himself is not just the anger but also the pain that hasn't been addressed. They fucked it all up with Cho.

>>155241023
>IESLB
So these are the people who jerk off Spider-Verse

>>155241318
People with eyes who have no prejudice against animation

On a cartoon board none the less

>>155241307
Kind of funny how Amadeus gave up the Hulk mantle to be another gamma mutate who later used power armor and no one protested. Nobody gave a fuck about him being the new Hulk.

>>155241333
>not liking Spider-Verse means you don't like animation as a whole
>"people who have haves" when there are better looking pieces of animation
And the irony in you knocking on two of the most beloved superhero movies. On a comic board.

>>155240499
What?

>>155239109
I mean, they ended up going against Stan Lee's wishes anyways with Bailey Briggs so making Miles a side kick wouldn't have been too far fetched.

>>155237912
Spiderverse is to Miles what the Justice League cartoon is to John Stewart.
People will point to these as proof that they're so much better than their white predecessors yet when ask for comic storylines it becomes cricket chirps.

>>155241371
Knocking them down a notch to favor an animated movie I genuinely want more of

>>155241386
You heard me, him and the blonde are the cutest /co/uple

>>155241413
>the ESL retard finds blacked shit cute
The jokes write themselves.

>>155241413
You don't have to knock down beloved adaptations in favor of what you like.
>I want more of animated product
Ew.

Miles is Hispanic or Black depending the debate.
>>155237822
Nobody hated the prowler but Miles's writer and fanbase tried to turned him into a villain kek
Get fucked , Milespic

>>155241421
4chud hates on cute romance because of race...

>>155241449
>4chud
Bluesky is that way

>>155239887
Because Disney keeps inflating the numbers. Coyote vs Acme is on track to raping it up the ass.
Meanwhile Spiderverse made its money organically.

>>155241307
Bitch. That formula changed along time ago with Jennifer Walters She-Hulk.
Let Amadeus cook.

>>155241516
Jesus what is with the Twitter underages coming into threads as of late

>>155241516
>She-Hulk
Funny you mentioned this since when Amadeus become the fun hulk, Jennifer become grey and angsty to compensate. It was an arrangement no one liked.
>L-Let him cook!
He's Brute now, the ship has sailed.

>>155237791
I'd wouldnt hate Miles at all if they'd just kept him in the Ultimate Universe. But since we can't have any Spider-Media without him being shoehorned into it, I have decided to hate him on principal and if I had my druthers, him and the entire Spider-verse shit would get swallowed by a black hole and never spoken of again.

>>155241554
I don't whether Batfamily or Spiderverse bloat is worse at this point.

>>155241634
The bats will win they always do

>>155237791
My issue with Miles is that the entire mission was to replace Peter with a negroid just because. Bendis himself essentially said as much. Then, he crossed over into 616, and he’s basically a permanent Poochie who dilutes the whole Spider-Man thing, making Peter less special in the process, and the black thing just gives Miles a shield against anyone being able to express any sort of displeasure without it being handwaved as nothing more than racism.

Now, if he called himself “Weaver” or something and had costume that wasn’t just “Ghetto Spider-Man”, I wouldn’t mind him as much. Did like a Nightwing kind of deal.

>>155241654
It's actually funny how adaptations will avoid calling him Spider-Man and give him other names like Spy-D, Spin or Kid Arachnid, as if they also want him to take the Nightwing route. Still haven't worked out the costume though.

>>155241654
They killed Peter, had to bring him back but it was pretty obvious he required a replacement

This thread made me think of Jean Paul Valley replacing Bruce Wayne as Batman, he was a devout white aryan christian that fans hated not because of his race but his dumb violent tendencies, I wonder if he came out today and would still be Batman if fans protected him for being a white christian

>>155241808
>white Christian
He would even be less well received today

>>155241836
The Saint Dumas order was frankly evil it would be ok

>>155237791
If Ben Reilly, a literal clone of Peter, couldn’t replace Peter, then Miles has no chance.

>>155237791
Did you know that outside of Miles and his supporting cast there was another refugee from the OG Ultimate Marvel universe running around 616 after Secret Wars? Jimmy Hudson, son of Ultimate Wolverine with the same powers but cooler. Oh you didn’t? And he’s not getting shoehorned into Insomniac’s game, his own game, then 75% of the sequel you have to play as him? He doesn’t have his own comic series that gets continuously relaunched in hopes of finding an audience or his own movies? Guess what his race is.

>>155242021
This is specially funny if you change race for gender

>>155242021
Bitch the 616 already has two kids from Wolverine used. With more bastards and alternate kids out that. No one cares about Jimmy Hudson save when he was in venom as a poison.

>>155242101
Yeah, and the 616 already has a Spider-Man.

>>155242115
Not a young teen one until Miles came in.

>>155242336
>Not a young teen one
Peter literally started his career as a young teen and was an instant hit.

>>155242336
They have Peter stuck as an early 20s, barely-old-enough to drink manchild, their ages don’t contrast enough to make Miles different from Peter enough to make him interesting.

>>155237791
Racists are always gonne be racist. thats why we just have to keep replacing them one at a time

>>155242379
Peter isn't racist.

>>155242385
Then why he didn't believed Morales in the spider verse thing

>>155242407
Rajeesh…

>>155242414
Am just saying everyone suddenly abandoned their principles and was against Miles saving people, just because he lust after the white chick

Is not about skin color but his hot interracial relation

>>155237791
So here’s the thing with Miles. When you look at him objectively he just doesn’t have a place.
>sidekick
The role of the sidekick is supposed to be the reader insert, they’re who you identify as going on adventures with someone larger than life. This doesn’t work with Spider-Man because his whole thing is that he’s a regular guy. He’s who you’re supposed to identify as. There’s no place for a sidekick
>he’s younger
This is really the only real thing you can do with Miles is have him be the young, bachelor spider-man that editors seem to think readers want. However as long as they keep Peter in the arrested development of barely in his 20s irresponsible manchild there’s no role for Miles in this aspect
>spider-man thru the lens of the black experience
Again, this might be a viable option but the problem is if you leaned into it Twitter would rip marvel apart for being racist. A spider-man who grew up in the projects, doesn’t know his dad, pushed into gang activity to survive, all these things could distinguish him from Peter but they don’t have the balls to do it. So you end up with a black character who’s essentially Carlton from Fresh Prince of Bel Air.

>>155242439
>Miles' biggest supporters are thirdies who can barely type English
It just keeps getting worse for him.

>>155241654
>he’s basically a permanent Poochie who dilutes the whole Spider-Man thing

How?
The Spiderclone thing and marvels insistence on keeping his fucking retarded clones around did permanent damage to the spiderman image. Civil War and the unmasking thing killed the spiderman hides identity to protect people thing forever and burned that entire section of his character.
OMD ruined basically everything else and revealed that Marvel editorial has no fucking idea what makes spiderman popular.
Spiderman's very soul and what makes him the most iconic hero right now was totally deconstructed by Marvel offices over the last 30 years leaving nothing but an empty husk.

Negro spiderman existing doesn't change anything. We see Slott's retarded fucking spider characters being whored more in marvel then miles or ghostspider.

>>155237791
I mean, if he wasn't black, they wouldn't push him as much, the whole reason he even exists is to be an esoteric as fuck bit of fetish fuel for Bendis that got adopted by people with a political agenda.

So, if he wasn't black, he either wouldn't exist or wouldn't be pushed as hard despite being a garbage character, and thus would be hated less.

>>155242451
That's an insult to Carlton. Miles would never have the balls to do something like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5D2RvIQwQE

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>>155242021
>then 75% of the sequel you have to play as him?
This overcompensating cope never makes any sense as if you look at the wiki, Peter has 24 main missions and Miles has 16 main missions if you include new game+ as an extra point for each Spider-Man. Mind you Miles kinda does fuck all in the mainline story after a certain point so that downsizes him further in the game. The only thing Miles has an edge over Peter is Side Missions and Citywide Activities (only by a little bit) where Miles has 5 with Peter having 4 in the former while the latter has Miles doing 13 activities with Peter doing 11 activities.

>>155242351
For fifty fucking issues over 60 years ago. We are talking about now.
And no. Not a single teen version of spiderman has done well outside of Ultimate versions.
Not even the highschool teen MCU version of peter parker is liked.

>>155242457
Do you ever stop to think, what if am wrong and this wigger from Connecticut got you thinking you were talking with some brown communist from chile?

>>155237904
It's funny that you say this because inexplicably White negaverse Miles is a way more entertaining character who actually exists. He was the Kingpin's best friend.

>>155242486
See
>>155242366
We don't need a teenage Peter when he's not even allowed to grow up as is. Miles truly has no place.

>>155242488
>what if am wrong
Paco…

>>155242484
When you dick around the city as Miles does Peter show up to remind you how awesome Peter is and that you really should be dicking around the city as Peter and not Miles? And the longer you play as Miles the more frequent Peter shows up to remind you?

>>155242486
>Not even the highschool teen MCU version of peter parker is liked.
His movies have made more money than the Spider-Verse films with Miles.

>>155242504
It's worse then that anon. He's in his early to mid thirties and ACTS like a 20 year old manchild beta simp.
That's hekkin funny and valid and doesn't scare reddit people.

>>155242462
>We see Slott's retarded fucking spider characters being whored more in marvel then miles or ghostspider.

Yeah because despite not being mandated somehow they're more popular. Spider-Boy for example was an actual character with his own stories and villains, unlike Miles, and actually co-existed with Peter in an interesting way rather than being an awkward also-ran who's pushed purely because twitter faggotry. Silk meanwhile is just flat out hotter than Spider-Gwen who was just a less interesting Gwenpool, so when both characters only exist for sexual purposes it's natural that the one that's more attractive and slightly more original is considered the more valuable one, if barely.

>>155242541
Live action backed by disney made more then animation made by not disney with almost no marketing?

>>155242565
This is not only not true in terms of marketing but this is blatantly moving the goal post. Even then, you would have the character be liked to have people show up and make money.

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>>155242557
>despite not being mandated somehow they're more popular

>>155242486
>Not a single teen version of spiderman has done well outside of Ultimate versions.
Spectacular Spider-Man was well received and was only cancelled due to rights issues rather than because it did badly.

>>155242451
Just say you're racist and go.

>>155242628
So you didnt had a counter argument and decided to pull the racism card?

>>155242595
Spider-boy comics made money, if barely, and was only canceled because Jabba the Slott went to go work for DC, while Miles has to be kept in circulation by editorial and corporate mandates. Make of that what you will.

>>155242628
Explain

>>155242451
Bailey did the first two better than Miles, and they killed him for it.

>>155242488
Please do the needful, Saar.

>>155241654
They wanted to replace Peter so they didn’t have to pay the Ditko Estate, just like with Ben.

>>155238396
>blade disproves this. wake the fuck up.
It's not about Miles just being black. It's about Miles being black and replacing a white character. No one gives a shit about Miguel not being white.

>>155242848
Yeah, no one cares about War Machine being black because he has his own niche related to Iron Man rather than being Iron Man but black.

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>>155242848
Miguel’s also in his own timeline doing his own stuff, and isn’t constantly shoved into Peter’s life, or pushed as a replacement.

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>>155237791
Miles Morales is Spider-Man because he's nothing without the title.
A part of what others said about miles being black peter, it says a lot about Miles had a series of "What if? he was another super hero" Like you would have a what if about Danny Rand or Matt Murdock being Captain America or Thor because that doesnt fit either character but Miles "Imma do my own twaang" Morales apparently can fit into any mold like cookie dough.

>>155242848
>No one gives a shit about Miguel not being white.
Miguel is also purposefully very different and distinct from Peter. PAD talks about how he purposefully would zig with Miguel where Peter zagged. Peter has no family, Miguel has a big family. Peter got his powers when he was a kid Miguel got his when he was an adult. Peter swings around the city Miguel parkours. Peter is chatty and wisecracking Miguel is silent. Also Miguel has some extra powers than Peter but they come with drawbacks, he doesn’t have spider sense but his other senses are super heightened to where he needs to wear sunglasses all the time. He has organic webbing but it’s essentially useless. Whereas Miles is just Peter with extra powers, he’s not well thought out beyond “well he’s black”

>>155242912
A Jew wrote this.

>>155242912
No. Peter Parker is Spíder-Man and Miles Morales is Miles Morales.

The whole "family" thing is disgusting. All these companies are just cheapening their strongest characters/brands by making female, ethnic or funny animal versions of them. The entire fucking thing should be purged across Marvel and DC. It's fine in Green Lantern because they're supposed to be a Lensman-inspired corps of space police.

There's also the hypocrisy of it all. You'd never see a "Wonder Man" or a "Mr. Marvel".

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>>155242957
Mr. Marvel would just be Mar-Vell. Remember, Carol was the Supergirl to Captain Marvel's Superman. Also they tried doing a Cadet Marvel. Nothing much for Wondy though.

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>>155242957
There’s a Little Mr. Marvel that they made during the time they were coming up with sidekicks for other heroes in the same vein as Spider-Boy.

>>155243026
I need more of Phantasma.

>>155243026
What's the deal with Moon Knight Jr here?
Is he also schizophrenic and extremely violent?

>>155237791

Do you not remember the reaction to All-New All-Different Marvel? Even if he were another race, he would still receive the same amount of hate from the same people that don't like him, for various reasons
>People not liking the direction of USM/Ultimate was going
>People disenchanted with Bendis
>People upset with non-white legacy characters
etc etc
Same ol, same ol

>>155242957
>You'd never see a "Wonder Man"

Only because Marvel has a Wonder Man

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>>155243007
obviously the only solution is have one be called "spiderman" and the other "spidernigga"

>>155242516
Don't say I didn't warned you

>>155243275
>I didn't warned you
Keep up the Duolingo lessons Hector

>>155237791
Your logic is flawed. If Miles were any other race, he wouldn't get pushed nearly as hard as is.

>>155237791
>Would an Asian or Hispanic Miles be more well received?

Miles is Hispanic. But if he wasn't black. He wouldn't even be around. They would have quietly let him fade into the background with 100 other bad ideas for characters reimagining or sidekicks..

>>155243091
Moon Squire, yes that’s his actual hero name, and the other kids were kidnapped from their families by Hydra so they could be experimented on and brainwashed to become superheroes that would serve them. Spider-Woman rescued them and reunited them with their families, and they decided to stay together as a team to fight Hydra. Much like Moon Knight, he also believes he’s possessed by an Egyptian God.

>>155243263
In a weird way that kid was strangely prophetic.

>>155242587
It is 100% true in terms of marketing, it's not moving the goal posts, and people did show up for animated teen spiderman that's not connected to the mcu.
Almost no one else has done that. Even BTAS couldn't do that with the Phantasm movie. Yeah the Phantasm was fucking shit, but still.

>>155243385
>Milesfags are now shitting on Phantasm
You niggerd genuinely have no fucking taste

>>155242706
>>155242741
People want a teenage Spider-Man, it has nothing to do with race. Just look at the box office numbers between MCU Peter and Spiderverse Miles.
To imply it's because of race makes you fucking racist.

>>155243332
Would love to see Moon Knight try to take him on as a sidekick
>Alright kid here's a knife and a bat, get out there and get it done, see ya at dawn bye *grapples away*

>>155242615
Yeah no.
It was more like a college aged peter parker that occasionally pretended like he was in highschool.

Face it, teen peter parker has never been very popular.

>>155241634
>>155241645
I personally vote Spider-man. How many times have you seen Bats be forced to give up his title to the minority de jour and say how much better they are ay being Batman than he was?

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>>155242949
A Jew made the original Spider-Man.
Jews made everything you love.

>>155243491
>Face it, teen peter parker has never been very popular.
If this was true, he would have never made it past Amazing Fantasy #15.

I've noticed that "natural"black made Superheroes like Blade, and even ones made by actual black people like Icon and Static end up being ignored and put into obscurity. But industry plants like Miles Morales still end up with some kind of popularity.

>>155242838
This is an underrated reason that doesnt get brought up enough. The same thing is why Namor is suddenly a literal wetback.

>>155243453
I only brought up race at the end with an idea to actually use the fact he’s black. And really if you’re looking at box office Spider-Man being a teen doesn’t really seem to matter, in Brand New Day he’s in his early 20s and it’s made a bajillion dollars in less than a month. The racist thing about Miles is that he’s propped up only by his race, he has nothing unique about him beyond some superficial shit like extra powers. You could swap Peter and Miles’ word balloons and wouldn’t make a difference.

>>155243513
And he only stayed a teenager for 50 issues.
That's not even 5 years.

>>155243515
Because no one likes them. Miles' movie made tons of money. What do that have?

>>155237791
My main irk against Miles is he's always in a shit test, always a "I gotta prove!" but he has the attitude as if he isn't. He's always stuck in this awkward middle spot.

>>155242002
But Ben Riley at least gets pushed into the background, while Miles keeps getting to share the spotlight if not outright steal it from Peter. On that note, I'd be more than hapoy to annihilate Ben out of existance as well just so the disengenuous Marvel shills couldnt point to him as an exucse for endless multiversal and mantle sharing bullshit.

>>155243515
Yeah, this is what I don’t get. You have great black characters actually made by black creators where their use benefits said black creators but I’m racist for thinking Miles, created by a white guy, is useless or that a black Superman, brainchild of a white guy, is a dumb gimmick. Like I guess it just boils down to these people don’t really care about blacks, they just want to pay lip service to look good on social media.

>>155243544
But notracists told me they love these guys. Why aren't they pushing for them to be seen more?

>>155242336
The only people who had a problem with adult Spider-man where the miserable old retards at the glass house of ideas wanting to put all their divorceé angst on ole Pete.

>>155243531
Again, if nobody liked teenaged Peter, he wouldn't have made it to 50 issues yet he was best seller even before he went to college.
Meanwhile Miles has been in high school for over a decade and what does he have to show for it.

>>155243544
>Miles' movie made tons of money
Did it? From what I saw the parts that stayed with people from the Spider-verse movies was Peter B in the first one and Miguel in the second. You could argue Miles single-handedly killed Insomniac’s Spider-Man which was the biggest Spider-Man thing outside the movies till the second one came out.

>>155243556
>>155243562
You're pulling the "I have one black friend logic" with Static and Icon.

>>155243544
only the first one, people just did not know it's going to be the shit-skin-man movie.
The second one lost money hard, that's why everyone stopped talking about it 5 sec after it came out.

>>155242482
And in the reboot, they make him a self hating drug addict. When the fuck did we forget the lessons we learned?

>teenage Peter had never been popular! Miles has been more popular for that and that justifies his existence!
Do Milesnigs really?

>>155243641
There is no such thing as a milesfan, he’s an unlikable token with a “veteran comic writer” moniker. Anyone one who oppose will be called a racist no matter how bad Miles’ stories are, how many shill power ups he gets, or how many in universe forcibly call him Spider-Man

>>155243604
…what?

>>155242957
>No. Peter Parker is Spíder-Man and Miles Morales is Miles Morales.
I'm literally stating that. Miles is so hollow and boring that if he didn't had the spider-man title, he wouldn't have passed 20 issues.

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>>155242996
>>155243500
Retards he's talking about the Miles thor comic which was written by a jew.

>>155243808
>Mexican-Jew
Dios mio…

>>155243808
>Mexican-Jew
"Jew"

>>155241238
>his supporting characters are not hugely popular
MJ, JJJ, Venom, Henry Osborne, Gwen Stacy, Black Cat, Aunt May

>>155243552
Ben is literally a carbon copy of Peter with bleached blonde hair. Initially used so the writers wouldn’t have to write a married Spider-Man.

Guess what. Because of OMD, spider-man is no longer married. And since Kaine already occupies the edgy Spider-Man clone, then there no use for Ben, except either dead and being an asshole.

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>>155243544
Where's the third movie then, jackass? And in the case of Blade, that movie cant get out because Marvel insists on making it about anyone other than Blade.
>>155243562
Pic related. Back to the wasted lands you slithered from.

>>155243598
>From what I saw the parts that stayed with people from the Spider-verse movies was Peter B
They didn't you are just coping and most had no idea who Miguel was before the second movie

>>155243844
>>155243850
Hey man, they got one of those running their country.

>>155243977
>Where's the third movie then, jackass?
It's been delayed because the animators were overworked or something like that.
Strange that /co/is still in denial that the Spider verse movies are successful

>>155244031
Again, because of racism. And yet, they still believe that MCU Spider-Man is well loved and successful when all metrics prove the opposite

>>155243979
Nobody had any idea who Miles was before Sony pushed him in their most expensive animated movie ever made
And after all that push his place in zeitgeist is currently as Spiderman's sidekick with a different hero name on a cartoon for literal babies

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>>155243453
We only had teenage spider-man FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS. Hell even more because every tv show or movies adapts a teenage Peter Parker. Spectacular, Ultimate, 2017, YFNSM. All of them adapt him in his early days. only from 70's to 2000's we had an early adult/married adult peter
There's no demand or shortage of Teen Peter stories like you act there is. Miles barely even goes to collage anymore in his comics hes either being in mega events like Civil War 2, Absolute Carnage; getting into avengers/multiverse level threats in the champions/spiderverse teams or fighting demons alone.
The only reason why people even care about miles is infact because of his skin, because nobody cares not even the people that made his game that he is puerto rican.

>>155243598
>stayed with people
>stayed with me

The only reason they gave a fuck about peter b was because he was the only biblically accurate spiderman we've had in years and he was litterally adult version of ultimate spiderman complete with random yiddish and divorce.
Miguel was in every way "We have venom at a home" and the story was fucking stupid overall.

>>155243552
Pushed to the background?
Ben Riley was the REAL spiderman and peter parker we've known since...fuck..the 70's was the clone.
He was a bleach blonde peter parker that was pushed harder then miles morales by marvel by every fucking metric.
I shit you not.
I was there.
The problem?
Everyone fucking hated it. They WANTED married spiderman and mj. The audience LIKED THAT STATUS QUO
Ben Riley didn't go to the background because it gracefully bowed out. Ben Riley went to the grave instantly because the fanbase revolted.

>>155243991
She's almost a stereotype. Looks like le happy merchant in profile and gives life draining enthusiastic blowjobs. Yes, that blowjob video where she got on her knees for some guy who is apparently her bodyguard has been verified as real,.

>>155244117
>>Civil War 2
>>Absolute Carnage.

Bitch, 2016-2018 was 8 years ago. Where the fuck have you been?

>>155243589
Look we all know that teenage Peter is what people think they want but he’s clearly vest as a dude in his early 20s that gives you everything you need for the dramatic elements while also being able to add more with work and school. It wasn’t until spectacular that we ever got a cartoon set in high school and the raimi movies got him out of high school after the first act was done

>>155244117
See
>>155244268
People are retarded over Miles giving them what they actually want.

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>>155243598
He certainly killed it after this.

>>155243355
Not really, of all of these Mario is the absolute least likely to get replaced by legacy diversity characters or get race swapped.

>>155244268
>what people think they want
Typical marvel way of talking to people

>ITT Spiderfags are scared of Miles' BBC

>>155237791
How hard is it to simply not try to replace Peter Parker?

>>155237791
No.

If anything, he would get MORE hate.

Miles being black is what anyone (aka blacks and leftists) even pretend to like the character.

If Miles was White, everyone would hate the guy and he would never have the same push as he did than black Miles because the corpos love shilling black replacement characters and not White ones.

>>155237791
Miles still exists and and pushed because he is black. Do you legit think democrats and jews would heavily push Miles in every single media if he was not black?

>>155240914
The most embarrassing thing for Miles is that some of Peter’s most iconic moments are from his first 15 years of comics. Miles has been around for 15 years now, and he has nothing to show for it.

>>155244268
>Look we all know that teenage Peter is what people think they want

Who?
Who wants teen peter parker?
Adult peter parker is litterally the bugs bunny of Marvel. The face, the adult who's been through that shit and grew up.

There is a reason why they have spiderman show up in the new heroe's books and show up with the teen heroes all of the time.
He's cool with the teens. He doesn't have to BE a teen to be cool.

>>155244476
What about that time he saved all of existence by being such a wholesome fucking chungus and giving Molecule Man his pocket cheeseburger?

>>155237791
>Do you think this character that was solely created to be black and get. Brownie points would be shilled if he wasn’t black???

No. If Miles was not black, he have been forgotten. The whole reason he is “popular” is because he is black Spider-Man. He exists for Normalfags to go “LOOK! A BLACK MAN IS SPIDER-MAN! I SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE I LOVE BLM AND GEORGE FLOYD!” and for black people to go “WE SPIDER-MAN NOW!”

If Miles was a White kid who spray paints graffiti and is given everything, he would be hated by Blusky and South Park. He would be called a Gary Stu.

>>155242021
This

>>155244492
He's not cool even as an adult lol. This is why we need Miles.

>>155244509
We basically got White Miles in the form of Spider-Boy, and people ravenously despised him despite not even attempting to replace Peter.

>>155244509
>>155244426
>>155244400
Don't forget anons, that the majority of ticket sales for both Spider-Verse movies were purchased by white and hispanic audiences. Miles is not actually that popular with black boys. White and brown boys like him more.

Black kids prefer Peter and Venom because they're allowed to be edgy and aggressive/cool/scary.

>>155244583
don't forget MCU Peter being White Miles and look how much criticism and hate he got

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>>155244564
Miles has never been cool, and will never be cool. He’s inherently lame by conception.

>>155244621
>Miles is not actually that popular with black boys
The guy who dressed up as spider-man and punched one of those right wing grifters in the face and was memed for like a week ended up being a black guy. Becomes the most famous spider-man outside the movies and he chooses to dress as the real spider-man, not Miles.

>>155244583
I never understood why people hated Bailey. We’d already had tons of Spider-Adjacent characters and crossovers before, but Spider-Boy was the tipping point? I’d even argue he’s one of the most inoffensive out of them all, since it’s clear he’s geared for a younger audience, and there’s enough thought put into him that he has his own supporting cast, villains, and powers that aren’t comically bullshit like Miles’.

>>155244645
Miles can't be cool because he's just the living embodiment of Marvel's preference for Spider-Man as a perpetual child character that's been Mickey Mouse'd to be non-threatening and lack any edge, except it's worse because even when Peter is softened up by writers or gets slapped with censorship/mandates, Peter still has a lot going for him. Marvel Adventures Peter's characterization is nothing like Ultimate Peter or Ditko Peter, but it's still a fun and exciting read.

Meanwhile, Miles is just fucked because pretty bad stuff has happened to him (the loss of his father and uncle), but nothing really comes of it because no Miles writer wants to waste their best ideas on Luigi/Kamen Rider 2 when they'd rather use them on Peter. And on top of that, writers are afraid to actually have Miles go through Peter's suffering cycle because that would mean risking people calling them racist because HOW DARE YOU PUT THIS YOUNG BLACK TEEN THROUGH HARDSHIP

>>155244682
He assaulted a Jew, and previously beat his baby mama in front of his child.

>>155244682
Remember that Childish Gambino and Michael Jackson both wanted to play Peter Parker. No black man wants to be Miles.

>>155244736
Because he’s literally just Spider-Man but a shota. One dude was trying to shill him in /co/ for a month and people caught on and called him out. Ever wonder why there’s no longer Spider-Boy threads? It was always a sexual psyop perpetrated by one sicko