>>155249617
>mufuggin cracka only gots da ring cuz WHITE PRIVELGE NIGGA

>>155249617
>racism was invented in 2016
Anon?

>>155249617
ayo glad this fucking HONKIE is dead nigga
WE GREEN LANTERN NOW
gonna show all these space mothafuckas how a BLACK MAN handles things
they gon know WE STAND ON BUSINESS
ten toes DOWN nigga

>>155249642
Not really what we're saying, but nice strawman. See the problem is that people are legit tired of this preachy bullshit that really only serves to perpetuate racism and is counterproductive, but that's a bit off topic. On topic, the show is unironically trying to say that Hal only got chosen because he was a privileged white man. They unironically have the mom pull the race card on a Guardian saying John's dad failed the ring test because admitting he was scared was race issue driven and not HOLY FUCK AN ALIEN RING JUST FLEW INTO MY GODDAMN BEDROOM WHAT IS HAPPENING AAHHHH. So yeah, Lindelof is a fucking one note manipulator profiting off real world issues as a limp wristed white cuck pretending he's an "ally" when in reality he just wants another WATCHMEN show pat on the back. Which by the way people were sucking cock over that show, yet no one talks about it anymore, nor did it get another season

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I was wondering why there was only one black guy in the historical Hall of Justice mural in Superman...

Y’all are just validating the writers by continuing to be racist cracka ass crackas. Have fun with 10 more years of this, idiots

>>155249683
Anon I think we both know Lindelof is the racist here

I'm going to be fucking pissed if John doesn't confront his parents on the child abuse, or the show doesnt call them out on it

The mom was wrong, white men can have fear too.
I'm very afraid of the 13/56.

>>155249679
I mean isn't the point was that the parents were ironically wrong as well? Jon was likely chosen not just because he was the son of a military man and strong woman but because of an inherent artistic ability he nurtured on the side. It was only when he went to art school and embraced that part of himself that he was finally approached by the Guardians.

And all the scenes with the Guardians demonstrating their lack of nuance over the politics and societies of other species is probably going into tie into the Manhunter reveal that they were the Guardians' first attempt at an intergalactic peace keeping force that went rogue precisely because they only cared about results like their creators.

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>they didn't think Lindelof would pull his usual black people worship bullshit

I'm so glad I'm not watching this show. You people are Charlie Brown lining up to kick the football, confident that THIS time Lucy won't pull it away. You knew Lindelof was writing and you watched anyway. You deserve to be mad.

>>155249771
>I mean isn't the point was that the parents were ironically wrong as well?
That's only true if John/The Show calls them out on it.

hoo boy, its time to watch a pol schizo self trigger to a show they claim not to watch again

>>155249808
Who?

https://youtu.be/MOSsrycA4vM
The writer of this ep was a black woman btw.

Is Lindelof the only guy to be publicly blasted by both Alan Moore and Grant Morrison? I can’t think of anyone else.

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Tonight's episode was filler, but they didn't really had to go THAT way about Hal being a privileged white male. Why do they hate him?
This doesn't help your fight towards racism.

>>155249852
>Alan Moore called Lindelof's letter as "neurotic rambling"
>Morrison called him out as an asshole, saying he's the worst type of person to handle comic books

>>155249912
Alan Moore thought any adaptation of his work is cringe (and he disowned superheroes in general for being a fascist concept).
Grant Morrison is just tired of gritty and realistic takes on colorful pulpy superheroes.

So the neighbors are just fucking okay with the gunfire in Stewart backyard? I hope there's something in the shed/garage that can catch the bullet
>>155249925
Your mother fucks cows

>>155249925
I think you’re underestimating how tiresome Lindelof can be.

>>155249795
Jon will only get the ring ten years later in 2026, it goes to Guy instead initially. Obviously his current mindset about fear and following orders are wrong and will bite him in the ass, and he's probably going to have to develop and eventually embrace his fear to finally become a full fledged Lantern.

>>155249959
We're not talking about him getting the ring, we're talking about John's parents being called out as abusive pieces of shit

I really don't feel comfortable with this episode. It basically apes Cass Cain's backstory but tries to paint John's parents as in the right for raising him to be the perfect weapon. His mom gets to give multiple big speeches about privilege and racism and John gets to be raised as the bestest Green Lantern because he was denied a childhood and abused by his parents. It's really fucking weird. And his parents and the way he was raised isn't depicted as a negative thing. There are moments that seem like it is but ultimately its all meant to be some kind of positive.

Also we have a show that pulls Hal's characterization from the Gerard Jones run and yet that run can never ever be republished. And while I grew up with that run and have fond memories of it it also has been overshadowed by every run that came after it and Hal's characterization during that run has been dead and buried. Its a weird run to pull from. I just don't fucking get any of it.

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>>155249950
>>155249955

>>155249681
I see two though.

>>155249925

The fact that Lindelof is such a piece of shit that Morrison and Moore share the same opinion of him is a feat in and of itself.

>>155249998
>Shill actively trying to shit on Alan Moore when his cuck boss Lindelof is rightly called out
Cowfucker

>>155249617
I sighed so damn heavy and tired when I understood they were going for the "Hal Jordan is a privileged white male" angle. I hate Americans so much.

>>155249617
>"Muh Racism", the episode
who could've seen that coming

>One of the tests was 10 year old John being dumped in a dangerous ghetto in the middle of the night and expected to walk home
This test is flawed because the only real fear a child should have in this context is getting lost. Correct me if I'm wrong but gangbangers aren't going to care nor get near a unattended child. Why couldn't they dump him off in the middle of the woods? That's isolation and navigation issues.

>>155249998
Why do you think you’re a potential fascist, anon?

>>155250038
That was literally in the comic John debuted in you fucking tourist chimp

>>155250070
No, contrarian fag

>>155250070
NTA but that comic came out in 1971. Are we still pretending John Stewart resents Hal for race reasons? Don't be silly

>>155250021
Indeed. There’s something off-putting about Lindelof, he gives off disingenuous vibes and never really seems genuine in what he says. I think they both picked up on that.

Can we call this character assassin now?

Someone tell me why CPS isn't at the Stewart residence? There's gunfire every weekend
>>155250120
Because he's a nervous laughter grinning fucking liar who is a one note mystery box jerkoff who ruined TV thanks to LOST

>>155249726
He literally said to the guardians that he'd be more than ready to never see them again if he becomes a lantern, it's pretty obvious John holds a grudge for how they've treated him despite being very calm and collected, usually. He sees the relationship with them as complicated probably due to both loving them but also hating them and deeply wishes to have been closer to his brothers.

>>155249986
>John gets to be raised as the bestest Green Lantern because he was denied a childhood and abused by his parents
Except the Guardians only finally contacted Jon when he was just chilling in art school and asked to demonstrate his ability as an architect, not during his military training or missions. But I do think the Guardians personally want him because he is obedient, in contrast to Hal's recklesness.

>>155249617
>Completely changes the lore of how people are chosen
>Requires Lanterns to literally be fearless when that was never a requirement at all
>Says Hal is bad because white
>Says John is better because black
>Hamfisted racial politics written by morons
Can the people who said this show was going to be great and accurate to the Geoff Johns run kill themselves now?

WE

>>155249950
>So the neighbors are just fucking okay with the gunfire in Stewart backyard?
This is the DC universe not real life, gunshots is the least of their concerns when there's literal aliens and kaijus running around.

Why even use Hal at all if you are going to do this? Why not just not use Hal and instead have John just have a ring to start the series?

>>155250143
>He literally said to the guardians that he'd be more than ready to never see them again if he becomes a lantern
That's vague and can be construed as commitment to the conditioning. The message is muddled because of how his parents treated him, and no one directly (that's the key word) calling them out on their insanity.
>>155250178
Don't even try to pull "It's fiction" bullshit, anon. There's suspension of disbelief. Oh so we can have the cops called on his mom for trying to cash in the diamond but we can't have the cops come to frequent gunfire in a fucking suburb? Fuck off

>>155250070
AND IT FUCKING SUCKS WHICH IS WHY NO OTHER WRITERS EVER KEPT THAT PART OF HIS CHARACTER AFTER A FEW ISSUES YOU FAGGOT.

>>155250165
You sound schizophrenic
>Hamfisted racial politics written by morons
I implore you to read Green Lantern vol. 2 #87, the issue John had his debut in. it's got plenty of pictures so it shouldn't be too difficult to get through.

What were the ratings for ep 2?

Why is everyone acting like Lindelof is the only one doing it? Every live-action DC entry has a scene dedicated to race except Supergirl
>Catwoman chiding Batman for protecting a city run by privilaged white men in The Batman
>Viktor struggling as a black kid in Gotham then getting killed by white Penguin at the end to finally achieve his ambitions
>Peacemaker's dad being a KKK supervillain and his ideal perfect reality being run by white supremacists
>Superman has a whole subplot about Lex denouncing him for being an immigrant/illegal alien of a race of evil aliens

>>155250236
Again, anon, context matters. We're not in the 70s anymore, and John hasn't resented Jordan for race reasons in decades. Why are you like this?

John is literally a mindless puppet.

>>155250236
Yes and that issue is outdated and terrible. This idea that white people stole anything from black people is a pathetic cope that has been going on for generations. And your example doesn’t work because John was never the original candidate you retard. Guy Gardner was a lantern before him.

>>155250161
But what his parents were doing to him is never really depicted as a bad thing. Every time it looks like they're going to far the show reels back to make sure you don't hate them as characters for putting him through all this shit. It's weird and doesn't sit right with me. Like you can't have his mom pull a gun his dad and belittle him for not shooting and then have a heart to heart scene we as an audience are supposed to connect with. And if they wanted to make some kind of comment about racism fine whatever it was already baked into John's first appearance. My issue is that his parents are abusing him in a way that is really unsettling and then at the same time we get some kind of heartfelt speech about how John has to go through all this and work harder because he's a black man. A scene that encourages John to be braver, a scene that leads to John shooting an apple of his mother's fucking head and then have a cute moment about how he always hated burgers. A scene that we as an audience are clearly meant to agree with and be endeared by. It's fucking WEIRD.

>>155250260
>Peacemaker's dad being a KKK supervillain and his ideal perfect reality being run by white supremacists
White Dragon WAS a racist in comics, you idiot. Nobody cares about that.
>Superman has a whole subplot about Lex denouncing him for being an immigrant/illegal alien of a race of evil aliens
No he hates Superman because they love him instead of Lex, despite his long list of achievements. Did you even watch the fucking movie?

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>>155250236
>>155250070
>Jon was ALWAYS race problems!
>Even fucking comics historians calling Jon's first appearance fucking ROUGH.
>Tourist calling others tourist.

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Halbros...

Racism is still a thing, kill yourself dipshits. You're an embarrassment to mankind.

>>155250302
So it's just true to the source material?

Why did they make John an artist instead of an architect?

>>155249617
Lindeloff and Gunn by extension will switch between realism and silver age wackiness when and where ever it suits them.

>>155249617
kek. i knew it was gonna make the zoomers seethe

>>155250356
they both draw

>>155249679
They know it's not what you're saying, it's just easier for them to dimiss that than the actual argument you're making.

>>155250356
Stealing some of Kyle's characteristics (again) to try and make John interesting in any way

>>155250377
They're two completely different fields.

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>>155250353
>Take the bad intro to a character form the comics and...well just make it worse.

>>155250352
>Racism is still a thing
thank god

>>155250393
both require an ability to draw and to be an artist
architects are artists, but not all artists are architects

>>155249849
I'd say she fucking would but then I remember this whole thing is directed by a (((white))) man, so it really is just the same Hollywood shit out of a different "creatives" asshole.

>>155249925
Yeah and even they can't stomach Lindeloff's weaselly little ass.

>>155250290
I think the moments where the dad is obviously disturbed by what his doing throughout the whole thing and the mom being shaken after Jon makes her be the one stand and shoot the apples off her head are scenes that frame the parents as problematic and fucked despite their racial issues being real.
Meanwhile, Jon's desire and ability to draw great illustrations is peppered throughout the episode like him wanting crayons for his birthday before his parents literally replaced then with a Green Lantern shirt and a shotgun, Jon continuing to draw throughout his training, and then finally looking happy when he gets to nurture that talent are indications the ring was going to choose him for that.

>>155250353
Source material that was retconned. Do you stand by every creative decision made in comic history retard or do you prefer the decisions that are good?

Episode 4 promo
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkxDzRS37JE
>John fucks the grandma again
For fuck sake. Oh and her husband disrobes for some reason? Showing a scar? That he isn't fully human? I don't know

>>155249998
Moore's libshit stupidity does not negate Lindeloff's race fetish anon.

>>155250038
>I hate Hollywood Jews
Ftfy eurotrash.

>>155250296
>Did you even watch the fucking movie?
no

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Fuck out of the way vato. Time for MEXICAN MAN to take the stage.

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>This episode basically

>>155250165
They won't. They call your racist and skitter back under the floorboards until their corpo masters need them to hype up the next product.

>>155250484
They only tried this "heritage" shit recently with Kyle in a vain attempt to keep him relevant. Everyone knows Jessica Cruz is the better Hispanic rep

>>155250178
Are the aliens and kaijus in the room with us now?

>>155250434
True, Hal dropping criminals off at Guantanamo seems TK as fuck.

>>155250496
Why is Ollie there

>>155250496
Let me guess, you didn't watch the episode again, got ragebaited by two clips, and you're gonna take it out on /co/ all night again?

>>155250462
He clearly has mommy issues.

>>155250260
Your first day here? That shit gets called out everytime it happens. This thread is just talking about the instance that happened in this episode.

i really feel like people here lack the emotional intelligence to view media with any kind of political messaging in it without seething and playing right into culture war retardation

>>155250274
Anon, he's a shill. Context is the last thing those vermin care about.

>>155250462
Sinestro and Hal are the most interesting part of this show.

>>155250534
Could it be that White people are tired of being bashed over the head with the hammer of racism?
I wasn't racist until Michael Brown and realized I was lied too about Trayvon Martin.

You hit me with the hammer of racism to the point I've become "Yeah. I am. So what?"

I'm racist but don't mind LGBT stuff in my /co/ When I tell people like you that I watch them short circuit like a B1 Battle Droid.

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>155250352

>>155250548
>white characters are the most interesting
shocker

>>155250570
But Sinestro is red..

>>155250583
and Hal is green, your point?

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>155250534

So how does John get a ring in Superman 2 if Guy got Hal's when he died? Can someone make it make sense please.

>>155250601
Hal's suit is green but his skin isn't.

>>155250611
Actually I think that's a plot point for this season considering one of the time periods is set in 2026, which is after Superman 2025. Not saying it will be satisfying payoff, merely giving context

Why are they doing this retarded thing of only one GL at a time when the comics easily have.. 5? 6? Not counting Alan whose not apart of the corp

>>155250352
Kys, soifag

>>155250618
so is Sinestro.

>>155250352
Yes and that's fine but Hal isn't and yet here we are. They are putting down a legacy hero and the most famous GL just to make John looks good.

EVERYONE loved Justice LEague Unlimited John because he was just a Lantern who faced racism. Other Lanterns werent racist to him.

>>155250070
The flashbacks take place in the fucking 80s, they're talking like it's Jim Crow era America. Also Johns always been a dogshit character, the only reason he isn't totally irrelevant is because of JLU.

>>155250643
you either didn't watch the show or are too esl to understand it

>most popular GL
Lmao. So popular that his only claim to fame in 20 years is winning a fanfiction web series fight where he ran off like a BITCH and killed an unpowered up child. That's not even a victory.

>>155250643
There were no other human Lanterns in JLU, Hal popped up as an easter egg cameo in an episode where he only comes to existence because of time travel changing the present shenanigans (which just implies that Hal would be GL if Jon wasn't there).

>>155249849
>"John's origin doesn't exist in the comic."
??? It literally does though. Are these people okay

>>155250629
Then they couldnt completly belittle Hal and make John super special awesome.

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John has no personality. It should've been Kyle, my goat.

>>155250731
I thought this show was going to be Hal showing rookie Lantern John the ropes. What is this horrendous dog shit?

Waiting for the deconstruction towards the black community.

>>155250629
Hell even in the DCAU has Kyle and John being Green Lanterns. Kyle was just off in space and John was chilling on Earth.

Why is hals dialogue always riddled with FUCKs

>>155250769
Don't call them terrorists.
Do better.
>flies away

>>155250776
that's how you know it's for mature audiences

>>155250755
That’s what it is, but they’re jumping between 3 timelines. 1st one is John’s upbringing. 2nd one is Hal training John. 3rd is present day where Hal shows up dead

>>155250776
Because this is a big boy show. For big boys. Like me I'm a big boy

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>>155249642

>>155250776
Because all of these writers are rich trust fund kids who have never spent a day amongst normal people and they think that using profanity is an easy shorthand to signify that someone is rough around the edges and working class.

>>155250788
Bravo Lindelof

>>155249795
Depicting something isn’t endorsing it.
Even Ta Nehisi Coates said the “I’m gonna torture you so you can survive in the White man’s world”-style of black parenting is retarded

>>155250812
I don’t notice the swearing at all. Y’all are gay

>>155250755
Well learn your lesson anon, never trust ANYTHING Hollywood is making, especially not Superhero stuff.

>>155250165
Nothing accurate to the Johns run would ever be great.

>>155250812
On a somewhat related note, Lindeloff was inspired by the likes of Ta'nahise Coates. Lindeloff is also worth about 30 million dollars. Just thought I'd mention that.

>>155250823
The difference is that will be portrayed as nuance aka "look, torturing your child is bad, but we live in a white supremacist society so it's understandable." Meanwhile the white, straight guy will be the punching bag who must die for his original sin.

Reading through this thread, I don't think any of the anons here are aware of the concept of the black excellence fallacy, which this episode was deconstructing.

>>155249681
Are you blind? There's two black guys.

>>155250839
I didn't even notice the race shit they're chimping out over
Johns parents fed each others insanity and fucked up their kid. The selection fucked up a lot of other people who got woken up that night.

Its funny that Hal fucked up Johns entire life in multiple ways

Is John Stewart established in the comics to have artistic talent? Isn't that Kyle Rayner's shtick?

>>155250257
Higher than for Ep 3

>>155249681
>One native
>One latino
>Two blacks

>>155250070
And nobody liked him until he became the stoic straight man in the cartoon and stopped being a preachy racist.

>>155250938
>I didn't even notice the race shit they're chimping out over
His mom gives like four speeches about "muh opression"

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>>155250776
Guess who wrote it

>>155250685
NTA but to correct you, Kyle existed, even came before. He first appeared in Superman TAS as Earth's first GL, and then later in the Return episode with AMAZO.

>>155250984
the actual show, not your fanfic

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moo

>>155249617
You can easily blame directors, writers, and show runners but to even get a mainstream piece of media greenlit and funded these days it has to fit certain criteria. Race/sex marxists run our media now and they don't care if the shit they dump out makes money.

>>155251134
MIGA cope.

Finished the ep. Wasn't Guy supposed to be in this one?

>>155251134
>b-b-but you started it...

Saw someone point out that if the main plot takes place in current year then Obama would've been President during all this past shit. Makes it even funnier.

>>155251140
No

Guys, I'm trying to find an issue of Green Lantern where John Stewart is giving a talk to a bunch of students, and they ask him why he floats instead of standing, and it makes him realize that he's not as grounded to Earth as he thought he was.

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>>155251134
>Race/sex marxists

>>155250484
Wasn't this nigga Irish?

>>155250794
>If I screenshot my own twitter post, that'll show em!
lol

>>155249617
Great episode. Of course /pol/ tourists are going to hate it because of the race stuff even though John's parents are pretty explicitly shown to be fucking crazy.
But it explains a lot of the hostility between Hal and John

Isn't John supposed to have a sister? Not two brothers?

>>155250680
Are we just pretending the Geoff Johns run didn't happen in those 20 years?

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>>155251215
They made him half Mexican to explain why his hair is black despite being Irish. If you pretend he's the guy who played Miklo in Blood In Blood Out, it makes it much easier.

>>155250519
It was from the old Hal/Ollie teamup book.

>>155250165
It doesn't say that at all. It says Hal is bad because he's a maverick and the Guardians would prefer John because he's very by the books and would listen to orders unquestionably

>>155251228
I get the feeling John actually failed his interview, but they still consider him a more stable replacement

Also, whats going on with the extra ring John used? It looks new, Hal's is old and has a chip.

>>155251228
Put away the strawman. We can clearly see his parents are fucking nuts yet at every turn they're painted in a positive light

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>>155251262
>It says Hal is bad because he's a maverick and the Guardians would prefer John because he's very by the books and would listen to orders unquestionably
Reminds me how The Wire did Hal and John better than Lindelof and King twenty-four years ago.

Is Parallax cope still alive?

>>155251294
You didn't even watch the episode. There's some serious child abuse in it and it not treated in a positive way

>>155251330
I literally just watched it. We as the audience are naturally disgusted but THE SHOW is trying to paint the parents as good too for some fucking reason. There's no resentment from John, he never calls them out, nothing. Fucking read what I tell you and internalize what I'm saying instead of throwing boogeyman shit out

>>155249617
So if I were interested in reading Green Lantern, where do you start

>>155251341
No it isn't portrayed positively you are actually just making shit up. His parents say "he's going to hate us" because they KNOW what they're doing to him is fucked up.
John answers the Guardian's questions about his family that he spent 18 years missing his family. Because he never had a healthy relationship with them.
When John gets home from being abandoned in the hood at night his mom was obviously worried about him because she knows they're going too far.

>>155251343
You start with Green Lantern: Rebirth and stop finish with New 52 Green Lantern #20 and New 52 Green Lantern Corps #20.

>>155251378
Its completely undermined by the application to art school scene, and John even speaking with these fuckwads. Hell he can't wait to run home and tell them the good news. John isn't reacting like he SHOULD be. For every fucked up thing they do, the show reels it in by "aw it'll all be worth it". Fuck that

>>155251343
Why on earth would you read the comics

>>155251400
The art school thing was before that interview. It's during that interview that he says he has these complicated feelings towards his family.
Did you just miss that part where he was crying in his room because of what his parents were doing to him? But trying to hide it because he didn't want them to know he was crying.
That's not a positive thing, it's clearly trying to say they're going way too far.

And yeah John is excited about the news, it's confirmation that they weren't just fucking torturing him for no reason. But he even said himself if he has no relationship with them after he becomes a Green Lantern then that isn't a problem for him.

>>155251242
That's what I like to pretend.

I wonder what happened to Carol.

>>155251446
Lindelof…

>>155251438
But the problem, and what you keep missing, is John still trying to make them happy. He NEVER calls them out on the abuse, he instead validates them. How is this hard to understand? Even in the interview he rationalizes it as tough love, and its fucking stupid.

>>155251310
Bunk is nothing like John though.

>>155251446
I don't get why people praise that shit. It ruined GL comics for good.

All that aside, the flashback bottle episode really ruined the pacing overall.

>>155251474
He doesn't rationalize it like that. He says "I've been missing them for 18 years". That's clearly saying he wishes his family life was different, they're not very close, they don't have a normal or healthy relationship. That pause before answering if his relationship to his brothers would be different is telling too.
And again John saying he's okay with not seeing them again if he becomes a Green Lantern.
It's very clear that John is conflicted.

>>155251500
>It ruined GL comics for good.
What ruined GL comics for good was Johns and Tomasi not sticking around to write them forever. Green Lantern comics before and after them sucked ass.

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I don't know what this show is trying to say when Guardians don't consider nor understand human racial issues yet John's parents project some kind of racial driven kangaroo discrimination logic onto what happened
>>155251500
We get it anit-Johns autistic, you're the loud minority whining 24/7 whenever we bring it up. We have other colors/corps, people like them, move the fuck on

>>155251482
How is he not? Dude was the Guardian's choice because Hal was too unwieldy and bucked the system.

>>155251513
>>155251518
If anything the show is doing better by staying away from the grand sci fi stuff from the Johns runs. It takes GL back to its roots.

The fact that there's a debate on whether John's abuse was justified or not is telling when the show makes its politics known from minute one.

>>155251504
>they're not very close
Oh except the fact that he runs to their house after the botched mission to lick his wounds and they keep having "sweet moments" interlaced in the episode. I don't give a fuck if John is "conflicted", the episode and the showrunners behind it are fucking trash by being apologetic. Now if John has an epiphany and confronts them both as trash human beings, and takes the job for himself and not them, then that might be something.

>>155251500
There's a quasi-cinematic quality to the pacing of each arc and it has a mostly consistent throughline.

Unfortunately that throughline is Johns smashing crayons together and is fucking garbage for retards.

>>155251531
Because Bunk covered for McNulty's shit a lot. Like he put up with way more shit than John would have.
Also Bunk is really sociable and jovial and John isn't.

>>155251533
Fuck off indian shill

>>155251294
Anon, you don't get it. Strawmanings all they got.

>>155251533
>It takes GL back to its roots.
You mean the roots that lead to cancellation time and time again?

>>155251413
Because they're better than this pile of shit.

>>155251474
>and what you keep missing
They do that shit on purpose anon.

>>155251545
What do you mean you don't care if John is conflicted? Who do you think wrote him to be that way? The show runners.
Because oh yeah they're not trying to portray his parents as being in the right.

>>155251553
>Because Bunk covered for McNulty's shit a lot.
Yeah, like John and the others did for Hal after coming back when nobody had a reason to trust him.
>Also Bunk is really sociable and jovial and John isn't.
John absolutely is a charming guy, especially during the 90s. We just don't see much of that in the Johns' years because he mellowed out.

>>155251567
See
>>155251550
The comics are awful, especially when Johns took over and made it fast food for superhero fans.

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>>155251533
>Green Lantern's roots

>>155251583
You're being obnoxiously obtuse and ignoring previous posts. Does the show continue to show John having positive interactions with his folks as an adult, and have tender family moments even after all the shit they did? Yes or no?

>>155251645
No. I don't see any of their interactions when John is an adult as tender.

>>155251590
I just can't see John saying some shit like this
https://youtu.be/yZyTRiHT8IA

>>155251649
Then you're either lying or didn't pay attention.

>>155251639
Your Hard Traveling Heroes? Your Golden Age Green Lantern?

>>155251665
I don't think you're paying attention desu. A lot of what is said is said between the lines. John is unhappy with his parents but he's not going to outright say it.

>>155251639
You do realize even in the Silver Age he spent more time on earth, right?

>>155249617
Felt kinda mixed where on one hand, you have preachy race bullshit, but at the same time it's being said by pyschopaths so you shouldn't take it seriously.

Kamalacore garbage

>>155249795
Is the show also supposed to say out loud that being a crazy bitch that pushes the father to shoot apples off your OWN SON's head is wrong? Or is that just common sense?
Seems to me that the show just showed us that bullshit racial grudge pushed John's mom into full on crazy.

>>155251660
1992 John definitely would.

>>155251518
To me it read as a small thought spiraling out of control. Like inventing a story of the cashier who you think gave you the side eye once and making stuff up to support it like the birds and dish.

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>>155251715
You're talking to a schizo who either didn't watch or didn't understand the show
Once John was told he could start having open opinions, he was pretty direct.

>>155251715
>>155251867
We're talking about the show that needed to make the anti-open borders guy a cuck just to remind you how pathetic everyone on their right is. This isn't high art. It's an executive forcing a cartoon character to be True Detective.

>Lindelof
if you're wondering, it's his mother's side.

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So the big twist is going to be that one or more guardians are trying to wipe out humanity right? They kept a manhunter around for under the table wetwork and now they're going to order Stewart to kill Hal to make sure the plan goes smoothly.

>>155250519
They had a duo series, Hal was the ignorant strawman to Ollie's enlightened leftist. It's why nobody likes comic John, his main character trait is resenting white people for racism. Also it's why Speedy has GRIDS.

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>>155250643
I only remember someone being racist to John once in the cartoon and it was hilarious.

>>155252039
In the vandel savage time travel one some of the WW2 soldiers commented on it.

>>155251887
you're the only one talking about your retarded brainrot take

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Do you think the Guardian took that form because she knew John was into GILFs?

>It's actually John's mom that fucked up his whole life in a weird obsession to be a superhero
>You see it's interesting because it's even fucking stupider than you would have guessed
Just, why?

>>155251243
They've never heard of Black Irish like Colin Farrell ffs

The mom character reminds certain black parents who would make their kids watch roots and who would always try to hammer home their hate of white people as like a life lesson
He would've been a much more of a social guy if his parents weren't crazy and abusive

>>155249617
The point of the episode wasn't "muh racism" it was that racism was used as a convenient shield as to why a black guy failed to become a lantern when the lantern corps think all humans are the same morons regardless of skin colour.

>>155252283
You know that's not what they're going for.
The show is trying to say that Hal got chosen because he's a white guy, and as a white guy living in America he was privileged enough to never experience fear. That's literally it. Whites have it easy.

>>155249852
Lol image being this incompetent

>>155249617
>>155249628
>>155249670
>>155249679
It's a /co/ can't grasp the broader plot narrative because of cherrypick mentality episode

>>155249795
That's just you wanting to be spoonfed instead of actually reading into the subtext

>>155252304
they've been conditioned to act like this

>>155250378
pussy

>Racism in a setting where you can hate supers for being different.
I shiggy diggy DCU America. You've got bigger problems, like those Ayys that wanna take our women and conquer us like Superman!

Why can't this show play out the way it does in my head?

>>155249852
>>155252301
All honesty, Moore hates major production that adapts his works. Grant likes the show he's just upset that the setting is too grounded instead of being high concept sci-fi.

Woke
>It's a Black Worship episode
Broke
>It's a episode about two black parents using their persecution complex to justify the abuse of their son

>>155252368
Uhh I think it goes backwards

>>155251134
I'm a sex marxist and I'm going to seize your means of reproduction

>>155252368
I was thinking that too until the behind the scenes clip at the end where they exclusively talk about race being something they were obsessed with while making this.

>>155249726
I doubt he will. They managed to race him detached enough.

>>155252368
a modern show about racism that shows black people being bad and fucking over other black people
the world is healing

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>>155249788
>I'm so glad I'm not watching this show

>>155250143
I WANT JOHN TO CHIMP OUT ON HIS PARENTS

>>155249829
Already a few posts above you

>>155250464
>Moore
>libshit
Culture war has really fucked up the way you see the world

>>155250165
>>Says Hal is bad because white
>>Says John is better because black
Nobody is saying this. It's just you people instantly thinking of this whenever you hear those buzzwords.

>>155252400
It would be nice, but that's not what this is.

https://youtu.be/MOSsrycA4vM?t=209

Lanterns is a story about how black women ruin lives

>>155251887
You fuckers will make up whatever shit is seated in the back of your brains instead of actually watching the show.

>>155252443
schizo moment

>>155251518
Goes to show how the Guardians are so detached that they don't understand the intricacies of sentient society.
John's parents are that older generation that suffered harshness their whole lives so their perspectives always goes back to that. It's also a wagon for intergenerational trauma that shapes John's life.

If the purpose of John's character is to be a meta commentary on the harmful racial politics of minority super heroes they probably wouldn't have immediately had the actor give the "representation" speech at the end.

>>155252498
Which is why media is viewed from two lenses.
Author's intent and how the work can be interpreted. They might've gone into this with the idea to make a episode to showcase that representation matters, but if multiple people are coming away from the episode in question with the idea that it was a showcase about the abuse John's parents put him through because of their own complexes, then that's what the writing also says.

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>>155250496

>>155252498
I'm inclined to believe John never experienced racism himself given the sheltered life his parents forced onto him.

>>155250519
Newfags oughtt to read more

>>155250165
>>Completely changes the lore of how people are chosen
The Guardians have chosen people in the past before in the comics most notable of them being Kyle, them doing that in Johns case in the show is them erring to being way more cautious side given how Sinestro fucking iced one of them and are probably on edge from the rings decision making process.

>>155250606
Glowie posts.

If this was set in the 50's, John's mom would've insisted he sat up at the front of the bus.

>>155252511
i think that people forget the fact that both things can be true

>>155250947
What dya think being a really good architect uses as a key skill

>>155250947
Yes, as an architect. But the show takes plenty of liberties.

>>155251134
>>155252068
Meds and grass would be fine

>>155249681
>Black B'wana Beast
Are we serious?

>>155252619
>B'wana Beast
It ain't him. It's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Beast

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Think your Ring's a bit sick, Hal.

Pretty sad how John thought going to art school was finally a chance to do something for himself only to realise it was just another part of the plan.

>>155252710
Wonder if the twist at the end of the season is that Hal faked his death to try and strike fear into John

>>155249681
>Freedom Beast, Gunfire, and Vibe are all older than Superman

>>155252403
Lol yes the Lantern fans are the true free thinkers. That's right anon don't change that perspective lmao

>>155249617
I usually can't stand black worship, but it was quite obvious the negress was meant to come off as a psycho.

>>155249617
is the "we're black and unseen" niggard spiel canon or this hollywood woke slop?

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There's a better Kyle Chandler superhero show.

>>155251222
>he thinks millennial woes would come to 4chan

>>155252979
Yeah like she's flat out batshit insane, I dunno why people are believing her words straight from her mouth

>libtard woke show is insecure about white people
Woah very surprising

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>Since when did you care if I was happy?
>You're still mad about those crayons?
If we could trust this show to know what it's doing, this would be a decent representation of a toxic relationship as an overbearing mother once again deflects from the harsh treatment she put her son through for the sake of, like some guy was mentioning above, Black Excellence. We could see this as another moment where the parents are suffocating their son by making choices for him and railroading his life, even if it's a decent proposal like art school (which could very well just be another ulterior motive).

But nobody believes in this show. Even when John has shown some reluctance towards the way he was raised, nobody thinks he's going to get a decent character arc out of this where he learns to man up and choose his own path in life to learn to be a real human bean. It's sad. Everyone has been burned too many times. And they should be hesitant.

>>155253421
Dawg the biggest pieces of shit in the show are Johns parents. Who the fuck hands a five year old a fucking rifle when all he wanted was crayons. If anything with Hal, you're getting Hallarax going by how Sinestro was winning him over in that ep 4 teaser, and Hal ends the season faking the corpse to make John feel fear

>>155253421
The only insecure white is (You)

>>155253467
>If we could trust this show to know what it's doing
We who?
>But nobody believes in this show
Nobody who?
Keep talking of yourself in plural and people might think you're hearing voices

>>155252619
>who is freedom beast
Kys

>>155249617
Doesn't this show take place in 2016, though? At least watch the thing, retard.

>>155250070
Im not talking about the racism you fucking nogger, im talking about specifically creating some weird race resentment towards Hal out of all people. Is weird, you guys are WEIRD and I hate you for it. Youre killing the bread AND the circuses.

>>155250366
Wasting and episode and killing John's and Hal's characters to own the chuds

>>155250534
Im brown and from south America. I dont give a shit about your race war thing when Im completely aware this was probably written by a woman or a jew. I just dont care, leave my superhero TV show alone.

>>155253501
You can get all that across without garbage lefty idpol though. You're just a retarded lib so it seems normal to you

>>155253805
>some weird race resentment towards Hal out of all people
The resentment isn't coming from John, it's coming from an INSANE WOMAN dude. John has issues with hal over both fucking up his military career and how he acted when they first met, not because he's white

>>155253859
Sure dude

>>155253805
But John doesn't have that resentment. Nobody but his cuckoo parents do. Maybe watch the show instead of making up issues to be mad about.
>>155253853
Brainrotted drone

>>155251166
No. Episode five at the latest.

>>155253832
By that standard why even care about any american tv shows?

>>155250352
>Racism is still a thing
And it will be forever. Humans are tribal creatures. Just like the apes they evolved from.

>>155252300
From the persephone of the parents shooting their child's head.

>>155253859
>>155253890
Didn't John and the whore granny spoke about their white masters in a weird and cuck-ish tone?

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>>155249617
>>YA'LL GOT LINDELOF'ED AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN

>>155253894
>its not important, so why do you care?
>actually, this is extremely important, so I must put it in every single piece of media

ITT Anons think the people building radios to talk to aliens, dropping their kids in the ghetto at night and shoot rifles at each other are moral beacons we should all follow and not insane psychopaths trying to drill emotion out of their child

HAHAHAHAHA TELL ME MORE ABOUT HOW I CANT TELL THIS SHOW IS AN OBJECTIVE PIECE OF SHIT THAT HATES GREEN LANTERN HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

Would you recommend this show?

>>155253467
Not going to give the benefit of the doubt in the big 26. The well is far too poisoned, a sip would kill an elephant and you expect people to dunk their heads.

>>155253890
Kek you're defending anti white woke rhetoric and calling others drones? Lmao if you're white I implore you to drop this way of thinking and actually go outside

>>155253853
>cries about ideology
>immediately uses idpol themselves to attack
Sounds like you're just mad.

>>155250629
There's only one GL per Sector until after the Corps is rebuilt in Recharge. You'd know this if you read a few damn comics.

The 80s comics were always making up weird reasons to allow two Lanterns at a time, even three for a hot moment. But it was never normal.

Fucking tourists goddamn.

>>155254021
>Immediately uses idpol themselves to attack
Yes because you fags made the first move by shoving it into everything. You guys could just drop it and never hear from chuds again but you refuse

>>155254021
NTA, but...
>Huh? You punched me after I slapped you? I thought you were against fighting, you hypocrite!

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>Are you afraid? Pussy

There’s an awful lot of essays trying to explain this episode, which IMO is a testament to its failure. Part of that is because King and company needlessly convoluted John’s origin way more than it needed to be. The other part is just plain bad writing.

>>155254118
I didn't "punch" him. The television show did. Stop pretending to be confused.
>>155254056
>Yes because
You can just stop as yes and move on.

>>155254279
I really hope you're not white, anon. Would be really sad for you to defend this show if you are
>You can just stop as yes and move on.
No we can't actually because you guys won't stop shoving lefty idpol into capeshit

>>155254351
>I have do shitpost because they are shitposting
Now you're covered in your own shit. Do you feel better?