>is that a marketable T-shirt?>AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH SAVE ME JEBUS FROM THE SELLOUT DEMONS I AM GOING INSANEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>155257866Keep seething, soulless fag
>>155257866Think about it, do you want Calvin & Hobbes eventually pitching HIV medicine commercials or telling you nows the time for a new Ford?That being said, I don't think a few licensed shirts would've hurt.
>>155257866His IP, his choice.
>>155257866Guy was a performative redditor
>>155257902Cope, lol
>>155257909>, lol
>>155257890The characters aren't real, who fucking cares? They'll be tainted by people even if they aren't licensed because they're not fucking real and anyone can draw them. Oh no more money whatever shall I do?
>>155257866Your pain sustains me. Cry more. :3
It's time to admit Calvin & Hobbes was never good.
>>155257960It was forced soul
>>155257960>me when i'd look at the strip as a kid and think:>"..I'd be through the fucking WALL if I did half this shit."
>>155257866>Artist sell out>/co/ complains>Artist doesn't sell out>/co/ complainsI swear this place is like a breeding ground for schizos
>>155257960No>>155257966Wrong
>>155257866Not wanting Calvin and Hobbes to be whored out in perpetuity and instead remaining a completed work he can claim as his own isn't the same as... whatever it is you're playing it off as.
>>155258013It is the same person doing those complaints, because he's desperate for engagement
>>155257890I don't fucking care man, the comic still exists, a million commercials of Calvin and Hobbes selling me life insurance can't erase the genius of the original work.
>>155258029Kek why are C&H fans so defensive
>>155257960It's no better than any other newspaper strip, it's just better drawn than most.
>>155258192Sorry you are allergic to the truth
My newspaper never had Calvin and Hobbes, I didn't learn about it till middle school, I grew up with Zits, Baby Blues, the classic strips, the Rugrats strips, Dilbert, a really weird one I can't remember the name of and few others.
>>155258287Lol ok, have the last word if that soothes you
>>155257960Never good is a bit harsh, the art is really good.
>>155257960>>155257995I like Calvin and Hobbes, the artwork is great, it's well written, the time period is cozy... but Calvin is a little shit, goddamn. Feels different reading it at 9 and rereading at 35.
>>155257936why do you care what someone does with their comics? Does he owe you money or something?
>>155258348Yes.
>>155258326I always found him annoying
>>155258293It is pretty crazy how everyone newspaper comic experience is personalized.
>>155257866>I dont think I'll do it>I know!>UGHHH I know!!>I'm just...lol, not gonna merchandise.
>>155258312Cope
>>155257866Considering how many people these days are weird little fandom consumer cultists I think it’s easily understandable why someone would not want to go before God and explain that he had the chance to not create one of those cults, but cashed in anyway
Remember there are cultures actively circling this man waiting to fucking strike so they can carve off profits for themselves.
>>155258451..vultures or cultures?
>>155258326>>155258371I feel like after the first sebbatical Watterson just made everyone nastier. Like he got rid of Calvin's good moments almost entirely
>>155257866>become a millionaire and retire early while not selling out your principles >BUT BRO YOU COULD HAVE BEEN EVEN MORE RICH Not a suprise the cumbrained manchildren who post here don't understand having integrity
>>155257866Does ChatGTP still write your posts?
>>155257866This stupid thread again. He had enough money and just wanted to draw instead of managing an office full of employees to handle merchandising like Jim Davis had. He wanted to keep Calvin & Hobbes a one-man operation, and when you look at it through that lens instead of “plushies bad” it makes more sense.
>>155257866>having priciples is le badYou're why AI slop exists.
>>155259426AI haters are failed artists who themselves have no principles
>>155259521>failed artists who themselves have no principlesThat's AIfags actually, they turn to slop because they were never any good.
>>155259521>>155259530You're both right
>>155258451Has he ever talked about putting the characters in the public domain?
>>155257866>>155257902>>155257960Saar
>Is that Indominus rex penis up my ass?>AAAAAH SAVE ME FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER FROM THE NONCIRCUMSIZED NIGGERS, OY VEEEEEEEEEY
>>155257902You have probably browsed reddit passively more than he had been on the internet.
>>155257866>i-i can't have the t-shirt???>b-b-b-b-but i GOTTA CONSOOOM HOW DARE HE DO THIS TO ME!??!?!?!
>>155257960God the "X was never good" has got to be the laziest form of criticism. I have never seen a good critique use it.
>>155257866Bill is the goat.
>>155258451I didn't realize he lived in Cleveland. I just moved there for work. Not going to bother him, but it's cool.
>>155257866>is that a man who refused to sell out his integrity for money?>AHHHHH SAVE ME JEBUS FROM BEING A HOLLOW SHELL OF A HUMAN BEING WHO CAN'T FATHOM THAT SOMEONE MIGHT BE CONTENT WITH HIS OWN IDEALS.Anytime you want to eat a lead pill, feel free.
>>155257866>>155257960I kinda always felt Calvin & Hobbes was kinda lameAnd I think people force the "IT'S PURE AND UNTAINTED" angle too much and jerk off about how it has no branding. It feels painfully mid to me yet there is an endless supply of people treating it like the best kids comic ever. Me? I liked Garfield and rocked Garfield slippers and slept with a stuffed Garfield and watched the Garfield cartoon and brought Garfield folders to school and read Garfield in the paper every Sunday.A friend of mine loved Calvin & Hobbes but all he had was a book and I thought that was super lame and that the comic wasn't funny. Calvin got on my nerves too.
>>155261488You are stupid
>>155261488>I kinda always felt Calvin & Hobbes was kinda lame>And I think people force the "IT'S PURE AND UNTAINTED" angle too much and jerk off about how it has no branding. It feels painfully mid to me yet there is an endless supply of people treating it like the best kids comic ever.>Me? I liked GarfieldYou're a regular comedian.
>>155261488>And I think people force the "IT'S PURE AND UNTAINTED" angle too much and jerk off about how it has no branding.This is in response to autists exhibiting extreme levels of entitlement, thinking they have some sort of high ground to dictate what this author is supposed to do with his own creation.
>>155261488This
>>155261929>>155261488garfield is the kind of thing that you have merchandise of despite never reading the comic or knowing anything about the characters, kinda like winnie the pooh
>>155258037Wonder what he thinks of that one Lio strip
>>155261499>>155261929>>155262429>>155262478>>155262500I made this image just for youNo argument
>>155262500rather cynically, jim davis has admitted he made garfield for the sole purpose of being marketablehis entire personality was meant to be as relatable as possible, giving him wide appeal to every demographic
>>155262552Nobody likes you
>>155262560Why are you personally offended by my opinion on a children's comic?
>>155262645Because of you
>>155262663?
>>155261488>I think people force the "IT'S PURE AND UNTAINTED" angle too much and jerk off about how it has no branding.Weird cause when TADC and other online shoes merchandise /co/ wants to throw a fit despite nothing being wrong.
>>155262552Oh boy. Can't wait to see this shit get posted in the future.
>>155257866It's respectable.
>>155258079So then by your own admission it doesn't matter that Watterson didn't want to license it out
>>155258013You finally realized that 4cuck sucks ass
>>155258013Assuming they're not being disingenuous (which is very unlikely), the real reason why Watterson seemed to be a big blackball is because it seems like he was originally destined to be an underground comix artist but made the jump to trying to go pro.Instead of going through the motions though, he threw so many spanners into the machine that it's more comparable to a McDonald's worker undergoing a manic episode and trying to turn the local franchise into a Ratatouille gourmet restaurant.In many ways, he reminds me of those hardass New Hollywood directors who when not given carte blanche had to go behind everyone's backs to get what they wanted. I greatly respect his work, but Jesus Christ, the dude really should've gone for independent comics like what Groening did. If the internet existed a lot earlier, I wager he would've been one of the earliest webcomic artists.Now, thanks to him shoehorning a fundamentally incompatible ethos into an industry that relied on commercialisation, Calvin & Hobbes is damn near hard to read thanks to GoComics sandbagging the archives to the point where fans have to download a giant gigabyte-size file full of all the strips that exist. Watterson is one of the few times where being ahead of your time is ultimately detrimental in the long run. He's funny, but he was also bullheaded.He's also such a recluse that at times, if it weren't for the occasional announcements I think he's already dead. I really hope that's not the case though, especially after we lost so many of /co/ this year...
>>155262552Makes more sense if you swap the two.
>>155259681>everybody who expresses an opinion I dislike is IndianNormgroids can't meme
>>155257866Flanders went off the rails
>>155257909>>155258421Arrest lol.
>>155258029you really can't handle the truth.>>155258287you're allergic to ace thruster's basedness.
>>155261488>those digitsHitler loves Garfield confirmed
>>155263364>fans have to download a giant gigabyte-size file full of all the strips that exist.Where's that file hosted?>newfagYeah, I am.
>>155262552Fucking kek, savedI liked both comics growing up
>>155264894I loved Garfield and I was surprised to discover people online tend to hate it
>>155264262Garfield famously had a strip run on veterans day where our favorite cat talks to a spider he's about to kill who is boastful about how he'll be remembered forever by the other spiders for his sacrifice and then the last panel is the other spiders saying what an idiot he was. Calvin never did anything that edgy.
>>155264909garfield is fine in a vacuumbut the comic strip has kind of worn itself thin for years now, with the same jokes being recycled over and over and in some cases the exact same panels with the exact same dialogueand when they do try to shake things up by making changes to the status quo, like changing garfields favorite from lasagna to pizza, arguably removed some of the few actually unique traits garfield had
>>155264909I don't think anybody hates garfield, but in this irony poisoned world, it's easy to take something as sincere as garfield as insincere. there was a whole weird genre of drawing him as a lovecraft monster
>>155265008>, it's easy to take something as sincere as garfield as insinceregarfield is the definition of insincerejim davis has admitted garfield was a cashgrab designed to move merch first and be a cartoon character secondhe was created from day one to print money and jim davis hasnt even personally written garfield comics in years
>>155258013Name an artist that did genuinely sell out with 0 shame.No you can't say Jim Henson because literally day 1 he was using the muppets for advertising, there was no period of pure artistic passion and how he'll never sell out MAN, he used the muppets to sell products and make money specifically so that it let him continue to keep making muppet content.
>>155265357>Name an artist that did genuinely sell out with 0 shame.Gene Simmons, but if we have to keep it to /co/ then Jim Davis
>>155265357>Name an artist that did genuinely sell out with 0 shame.Walt Disney?
>>155265357there are plenty of artists who things solely for the love of the game, they are called amateurs and they are either obscenely rich and can do whatever they want with their life or have a day job and can only do art as a hobbybut everyone who does art for a living, and can legally list artist as their occupation, has to live with the reality that they are sell outs, either in part or in fullwhere bill watterson drew the line in the sand was licensing out calvin and hobbeshe has admitted that royalties from the newspaper has made him more money than he ever knew what to do with it, which is why he was never pressured to sell the rights to CnH or to ever allow them to make a hobbes plushwhy would he want or need to make more money when he already has enough?
>>155265008What was confusing about that? Garfield is boring. Nasty monsters are fun to draw. "What if X was Y" is the most basic form of ironic subversion that everyone plays with. Thats it, that was the trend.
>>155265008It was some cringe reddit trend
>>155261488For me it was Foxtrot
>>155265413walt disney did sell out, but he definitely had regrets over itmost people who knew him have claimed that he was actually insecure about whether his art was truly good or was simply milking the audiencehe was also really hands-on with every project even in his twilight years even though, by his own admission, he no longer had any official responsibility and was strictly a spokespersonhe was absolutely loaded by that point and his empire had grown to be self-sufficient and no longer actually needed himhe kept checking on projects and acted as an advisor because he genuinely did love animation and artwhile this became increasingly inseparable from his desire to make money, there was clearly something inside him other than monetary gain that compelled him to stay involved in the day-to-day affairs instead of retiring to florida
Every month or more /co/ makes a thread to be offended that a man who made more money than he could ever possibly spend didn't sell out to make a number bigger. Is this what Americans teach their kids?
>>155265629its the same guy every time
None of yall niggas are real OG Garfield fans.I bet you didn’t even play the flash games on the paws.com website
has anyone done their own voice overs or animations of calvin and hobbes? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ0bJhTgmoU
>>155265807you just gave me flashbacks to the haunted house game where you have to collect all the donuts>actually did get a little frightened by lyman all chained up
>>155265807I did>>155265866Scary Scavenger Hunt, kino shiet
Somehow Peanuts still has soul even though it's on merchandise. Moomin still has some soul but lost some of it. Gafield was drained of all the soul. Calvin and Hobbes could've had a plush and a shirt at least and no one would've claimed Mr Watterson sold out
>>155265909>Calvin and Hobbes could've had a plush and a shirt at least and no one would've claimed Mr Watterson sold outbecause his goal was not to preserve his reputationhis goal was to simply not have CnH used in ways he did not approve ofand he did, eventually, allow some merchandise to be made for the musuem of modern artthis does give an indication of what he considers fair use of his characters
>>155265909The interesting thing about Peanuts is that, ironically, Schulz didn't care about licensing and Watterson cared about it too much.
>>155265807You have no idea just how devastated I was when they shut down the paws website with the Viacom acquisition.You used to be able to buy originals of the comic strips and real drawings by Jim Davis himself. One of a kind rare Garfield merchandise and posters too. I thought that was really cool. It was great for fans. Then suddenly one day it was gone.I hadn't even bought everything I wanted to buy. A sad casualty of covid.
It's fine. As soon as he dies his estate will start producing merchandise.
>>155257866He was kinda based, to be honest desu.
>>155257866When he dies, there’s gonna be Calvin and Hobbes Funko Pops on store shelves before his body is even cold
>>155257960Exactly, people got fooled by qualityslop
>>155257866fuck you, OP. you're never ever getting your Susie Derkins dakimakura.
>>155257866The man never gave away his IP, and retired rich enough to live comfortably while being able to do what he likes doing.Not only that, he makes people like you seethe and mald. Watterson is based as fuck.
>>155257866I'm diggin Watterson's moustache
>>155266809Gee I sure hope not...
>>155257866He’s like worth$100million AND he didn’t sell out. Impressive, really
>>155262552Saw a Garfield car air freshener the other day.
>>155269241I suspect his immediate family will respect his wishes but the next generation, oh boy.
>>155257902>washe's still alive
>>155257936>who fucking caresYou with all that gay ass whining you're doing, you fucking faggot
>>155272509He also gives few interviews, makes few statements, and values privacy instead of celebrity. But anon disagrees with him so he's "performative".
>>155272482He's not obliged to give anyone commercial rights. If he wants he can have his estate just sit on it for seventy years or however long copyright is these days.
>>155272774It does sound like he's trying too hard to go against the grain.
>>155272990He's literally just fucked off into retirement to paint pictures and enjoy his golden years with his millions and millions of dollars. 4chan schizos do not represent "the grain".
>>155272990The grain doesn't exist
>>155272990God forbid he's not a terminally online retard
>>155257866Blow it out your gapping consoomer ass. I'll bet you preordered the special edition box set for GTA VI you FOMO brained fuckwit
>>155257936>Who care?Apparently you nigga, with all your whining and bitching about shit that doesn't belong to you.
>>155262552>I have more useless plastic crap that my family will throw out when I die. This makes me better than youThere's no saving you consoomer troons. I don't hold it against Davis at all for grabbing that bag, but I'd feel dirty knowing freaks like you were buying my stuff like this.
>>155265885Amen brother. Always tried to play that around Halloween time back in the day to get in a spooky kinda mood.
>>155273076Mmm... Grain...
>>155257866>Indie artist makes major break through and gets distributed by a company>4Chan: What a sell out!>Artist decides not to whore their creation around and has a thigh grip on its release>4Chan: Wahhhh! Why can't I buy official stickers of their characters peeing on things I hate?!!4 chan sure is a cruel mistress.
>>155265866>>155265885Just played, thanks anons for letting me know it exists.
>>155275038at the end of the day, he owns calvin and hobbes and can do what he wants with itthe reason he didnt want to license out the comic was because he would have lost that control over what he wantedhe also just didnt like the idea of being a foreman who just signs off on others peoples works and has been mentioned, money was never a problem for bill as a result of what he did haveso if licensing wasnt fun for him and he didnt need the money, why would he want to do it?
>>155275122I'm just making fun of 4chan schizos.I myself would had wished for an animated series, but can see his point of view of how things can get out of your grasp if you let other people play with your property.Then again we had things like The Simpsons which really got fleshed out by other and then also ruin them and make them bland after going for so many decades.
>>155265807I miss the garfield website...
>>155273028Based.
>>155275203https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nPvPiM7Zwo
>>155263224Actually it does matter because I want merch.
>>155275203Internet 1.0 was a better time.
>>155275038That’s how it is on this bitch of an earth
>>155275322fr tho
C&H is alright but it was always one of those things old faggy /co/ pretended to like to seem smart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE7nv7BH19Q
>>155276069People like Calvin and Hobbes because it's funny.
>>155277290>people like thingsThat's impossible. They must have ulterior motives.
>>155275203S O V L
>>155258079COMING THIS SUMMER....FROM THE STUDIO THAT BROUGHT YOU MINIONS
>>155262552unfortunate that this is the only way you can finance a cartoon nowadays
>>155278757compared to advertising from third parties?
