Why do the characters that originate in Sonic's expanded universe tend to generate such controversy?
>>155259345Some Sonic fans have a weird psychosis about anything that didn't debut in the games and adaptions in general.
>>155259345I don’t know what it is but something about this artist rubs me the wrong way.
You have shown great restraint not to reply to this thread but it seems it could only go for so long.
>>155259345Bros what's a tenrec anyway?
>>155259345It is because Sonic feels really bloated as is.Because of the way SEGA manages the franchise, we know almost nothing about our main characters aside from Shadow.This wouldn't be so bad if those characters didn't feel unduly special. The world revolves around Sonic, but his extended media exclusive friends all have full arcs.This isn't even a feature of the new management, SEGA has basically tried to keep Sonic himself fairly... detached from the worlds.Penders' Echidna lore was originally going to be Hedgehog lore before SEGA stepped in. I wouldn't be surprised if Tails' chosen one narrative is largely the same background.This is fine for keeping Sonic the same, but terrible for keeping him relevant in his own setting.So when fans of the games check out the extended media, it feels like he's a secondary character to everyone else's narratives.But SEGA shit the bed, now they can't really do anything with Sonic in a characterization sense because Sonic's world is generally just five shades more serious than Sonic himself, so he's just always going to be out of lockstep.People blame it on the characters, but like there sorta needs to be a meaningful shift so that more can be done with Sonic.What the fuck are the Zeti even?
>>155260149A small, quilled shrew-like mammal from Madagascar.
>>155260405God be like>An island? Time to fill this shit with the weirdest fuckers known to man.
>>155259345This video covers it pretty well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCni6I47E0MBasically a guy came in, took over the Sonic comics and then made it all REALLY fucking weird and legally convoluted.
>>155260416lots of islands are like that. look at australia
>>155260454Yeah but that's punishment for the welsh.
>>155260443>Basically a guy came inyou mean ken penders?
>>155260470>you mean ken penders?Ye.
>>155260443He is basically a less successful Kirkman that thought he could hijack a brand.
>Comic is about Sonic the Hedgehog>The personality Sonic has in the games is not represented in the comic of the same name>People who grow up with the games either have to have an open mind about this or not >Sonic as a franchise attracts huge weebs who see any change from the japanese text as a massive transgression>the comics have many of these transgressions >Characters such as Sally Acorn are immediately tied to these changes >Autistic people cannot stand change or differentiation >Sega eventually caved and catered to the game side of things anyways making people who already hate the comics feel justified condemning them for being different
>>155260652This is, by far, the weirdest view of it. It's more like:>A comic is made in the early 90s about Sonic the Hedgehog>This, along with two cartoons builds the bedrock of how American children at the time percieve to be Sonic's world/personality>Thanks to a lull in game releases, this comic becomes the default face of the franchise for American Sonic fans>Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 come out, changing the perception of Sonic>By the time of Sonic Heroes, a newer group of children who never read the comics conceptualize and entirely different version of Sonic built from these newer games>Two factions of autists emerge>Group A is dedicated to the 90s Localization version of Sonic, with one of the cartoons and the comics as their standard bearers>Group B is dedication to the Modern Japanese version of Sonic, with Adventure and Sonic Heroes serving as their standard bearers>Both groups battle it out over who's Sonic is more "legitimate" to this day
>>155260765Sonic X and Shadow the Hedgehog further divided the fandom.
>>155260765I won't dispute this because it's all true. You are correct. But there is a documentary where both the SOA and SOJ sides confirm that "American Sonic" was a controversial decision that caused actual antagonism among the staff at Sega, particularly those who had a personal stake in the character. It's fairly obvious that the "Japanese" version "won" in the sense that the 90s version was basically expunged from the franchise and SOA isn't even allowed to acknowledge that he ever existed. It's not much of a battle in official terms. JP Sonic killed American Sonic and became the corporate standard across the board. Kids who grew up with "JP Sonic" (The games) get nothing but bias affirmation when they look into it whereas kids who grew up with "Western Sonic" have to use quality as an argument
>>155260765I think over time the JP side is going to outmeasure the US side. Sega isn't going to allow anything from 90s western Sonic to surface any time soon meaning each new generation is growing up on either JP Sonic or Movie Sonic. It's kind of sad. SatAM is pretty sweet.
Newgen fans see Archie Sonic romance stuff the same way One Piece fans see the 4kids dub. An "Insult to the japanese vision!"
>>155260930And yet they power scale with Archie sonic still.
>>155260946I never said they were intellectually consistent. Otherwise they wouldn't shit on an old comic that didn't have any reference material for being offbrand
>>155260946I have never, not one single time, seen anyone complain about the fact that Archie Sonic and Satam Sonic can swim. That is just as much of a departure from the source material as the romance but nobody ever says anything about it. I guess people don't mind OOC if it makes the character strongerManga Sonic has super strength and no one complains
>>155260838I feel like you also run into this today with how powerless the IDW/Loremaster team feels.Like they'll say one thing and explanation, then out of the blue the games or SEGA direct content will just flip the script.
>>155259345Threadly reminder that Ken Penders is now saying that in his version of Archie Sally would just give up on Sonic because he's an annoying clown and would have fucked Shadow and lived happily ever after.
>>155261209Yeah but that's bullshit. Penders historically disliked Shadow as a character.
>>155261220From the sounds of things he hates Sonic even more
>>155261209I must be the only one who thinks this works in Sally's favor. Archie Sonic and game Sonic are both shitty boyfriends who are too self centered to ever work in a relationship.
>>155261209That's based. Sonic in Archie and IDW is an annoying faggot
The Shadally vs Sonally issue just doesn't jive for me. It sounds weird because It's Ken Penders spewing bull shit, but at the same time Sonic was actually just fucking annoying and has that whole "SEGA OF JAPAN SAID HE WOULD NEVER EVER EVER FALL IN LOVE" thing that Shadow doesn't *explicitly* have
>>155261228Wasn't it a condition of his during the Archie suit that he would allow them to use his characters if the Mobius 20 Years later storyline was canonized?
>>155261312He is saying this is the true version of that story so I don't imagine anyone wants to take that deal now
They WON'T. LET THEM. GO.Archie is dead. Sally is never coming back. Move on.
>>155261312King Sonic was a manchild and Sally wasn’t happy with their marriage. People always speculated that she would cheat on him with future Knuckles, they got the wrong Sonic rival but were close.
>>155261220Regardless, he's telling the truth. One of the last things Sally does while Penders is writing is scold Sonic for antagonizing Shadow, and then invite Shadow to the castle. Shadow meets Elias and Hope and is seen listening to Sally while sitting on a tree. He also suddenly attempted to retcon Hope Kintobor's entire life, which is also answered in the book.
>>155261328Yeah, I'm just saying I don't believe him.I think he's just being his typically opportunistic self given he couldn't be assed to make original art for a Shadow commission and instead traced Shadow from Chronicles.
>>155259345I only accept Sonic 1 - Sonic and Knuckles and all the hot girls that were added later.
I feel like people remember Archie but didn't read it because this Shadow bullshit is exactly what would happen. Archie Sonic was becoming insufferably cocky and Sally already drew a line in the sand over it a dozen times. They were not even getting along anymore until Ian Flynn streamlined the comic and undid most of the Penders drama.
>>155260123>I don’t know what it is but something about this artist rubs me the wrong way.Try rubbing your dick a with a little less force then.
>>155261369King Sonic does suck, I'll give you that.It really just feels out of character that Sonic would be in a position of leadership power even in Archie.Honestly the 20 Years Later story is a total narrative dead end.
If Penders was going to pair Sally and Shadow together, the least he could do is actually develop them within their characters instead of just smashing them together as a way to say "Fuck you see I always new Japan Sonic didn't care about romance anyways so she gives up and fucks Shadow"This man is a child
>>155261398Penders left right about the timeframe of Anti Sonic giving Prime Sonic a bad name, I think it was mostly just the typical serialized comic relationship drama just with the evil twin dealio.
>>155261451But he didn't write Shadow as evil at all. Penders didn't even seem to know that Shadow was supposed to be kind of a jerk. Hell both Ian and Penders wrote Shadow as a guy who's both nicer and more serious than Sonic while Sonic was an egotistical scumlord fuckboy
>>155261469By Anti Sonic, I was meaning Scourge.I think Penders' actual plan with Shadow was going to be some sort of weird relationship with Hope/Maria.
At least Amy finally gets to have her dream guy>Amy is not mentioned in the Ken Penders book and Sonic gives up on romance entirely Oh, nevermind.
>>155261510Nope, according to the book Shadow isn't interested in Hope at all. She soured him during the encounter with Locke. He cares about her physical safety and nothing else. Hope eventually moves back with the humans and only sees mobians a handful of times. In Ian Flynn's take on the future, Hope is an enemy of Shadow. In Ken's version of the future she is forgotten.
>>155261510Hope was a nail in the coffin that the real Maria is dead and never coming back. The last time Shadow sees her is retroactively another excuse to make Shadow interact with the Acorns. Specifically Elias who Penders was gearing up to kill off.
>>155261564>Hope eventually moves back with the humans and only sees mobians a handful of timesThis part still happens in the official version of Archie
TANGLE NO
Penders makes purists look like puppy dogs when it comes to hating Archie
>>155261398My issue isn't the pairing itself. It's the fact that it means that there was no actual depth to Sonic and Sally's dynamic and Penders was just sabotaging the characters because of his own autism.
>>155260332Yōkai, specifically oni
>>155261683Did you guys really read Before-Ian Archie and not think this was always the case
>>155261636Hope was a pointless character. None of the writers knew what to do with her. She only exists to affirm Shadow's development once or twice and then disappear.
>>155260405And related more to hyraxes, earmarks, and elephants than hedgehogs
>>155261689Oh I know, I just mean that they don't really have much of anything tying them to the setting. Like you'd think they'd still be Lost Hex connected, but... Ehh?
>>155261727Like I said, nobody actually reads Archie, they just remember it. Hope is not a major character and both of the writers in charge of her just shove her further into the background. It's always "Wouldn't that undermine the themes of the comic" and they forget that the comic absolutely undermined its own themes every month. Archie Editorial did not give a shit about maintaining character at all.
>>155261220Wait until you hear how he feels about Sonic and Sally then The only character that man loved is Knuckles
>people surprised that sally "cucking sonic and complaining about sonic's behavior" acorn actually meant the things coming out of her mouth
^Nobody is surprised about this with Sally's characterthe "surprising" thing is Penders suddenly claiming it was his intention all alongthe "Surprising" thing is that the main pairing of the book (allegedly) was going to lose to one that had no onscreen development aside from a meetcute
>>155261909Someone clearly hasn't seen Digimon
