We’re reaching the breaking point.What will 2027 and onward be for Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson?We’ve had 20 years with the marriage and now 20 years of the marriage retcon out.What will Marvel do going forward if they want to keep fans?
Peter realizes he likes men in his time in San Francisco.
Who cares about the comics anymore?
>>155282588Peter going poly with MJ and Felicia
>>155282588>Controversial back then, only Wizard people liked it>Controversial now, even the kids despise itFFS who was this for?
Cuck Peter 2027 +
>>155282643This is the real answer. If they brought it back, it would feel nice to BTFO the whole editorial team but in the end, the company's comics dept. is treading water and the market changes including cultural and infrastructure, means manga has destroyed western comics even if it is underrated indie kino that gains some traction (not much of that exists anyway). Everyone knows this. There's only sick fucks like Zdarsky who know nothing about manga or Japan really, and are apathetic faggots who are deluding themselves into thinking modern creators can create 1/10th of the quality old comics had.
Jean
>>155282588Just hook up Peter with Felicia already. They have a much more interesting dynamic but Marvel keeps cucking out of it for various stupid reasons because marriagefags have rose-tinted glasses and don't remember that the vast majority of stories that came out of the marriage era were absolute dogshit and having Peter married to MJ again won't magically make modern Spider-Man comics not shit.
>>155283066Honestly if they just made longer "volume" based releases than issues that mimic manga, and actually have the story follow one continuity I think they could match them. Also drop a lot of the autism that has no place left now, like the diversity pandering, it has to take place in "our world" so there can't be worldbuilding *except for all the wacky shit we want you to overlook, unexplained crossovers, leftover lore from 60 years ago, villians who just keep coming back despite being aprehended or whatever. Also make the fight a story in of its self not a metaphor for some modern mans emotions.
>>155283141That would require editors to do their job (check for errors, work with talent more consistently even when in a high-pressure situation and actually be conversational) as well as actually pay creators something well to spend more time on one project.
>>155283110You people need to shut the fuck up. His dynamic with BC is not more interesting and is a one trick pony that batman does better. Coomers like you cant see through your own rose tinted glasses.
>>155283110> vast majority of stories that came out of the marriage era were absolute dogshitThis invalidates everything else you say.
>>155282588> 20 years of the marriage retcon out.And MJ has remained a decent part of the story, with the Spencer run being her best showing. the current crew have had 4 years and over 100 years of ASM building up to 1000 and they gave us Pic Rel for death spiral. its not happening, they started writing MJ poorly again with Beyond and they won't stop now.
>>155283110Feliciafags will never fucking learn. It's bad enough that they support that dogshit relationship, but they can't fucking get it through their skulls that it wasn't just an anti-MJ edict, it was against all long-term relationships.
>>155283313>>155283332Found the seething marriagefags.>His dynamic with BC is not more interesting and is a one trick pony that batman does better.Peter and Felicia are literally the original dynamic that Batman and Catwoman later ripped off. And they still do it better even if Marvel keeps insisting on wrecking it with stupid shit like making Felicia a quasi-lesbian.>This invalidates everything else you say.It's the truth, marriagefags completely memoryholed how most of the marriage-focused stories were literally just stupid drama featuring MJ fretting over Peter doing Spider-Man things. Your cope doesn't change that.
>>155283498found the seething shill
>>155283462>it wasn't just an anti-MJ edict, it was against all long-term relationships.Yeah but people who like the Peter/MJ marriage don't care about that, they care that Peter's not with Mary Jane. If Marvel actually let Peter get into a long-term relationship with Felicia tomorrow, they would still be mad because it's not MJ.
>>155283525So you found yourself?
>>155283498Why do you insist on coming into these threads to cry about Black Cat. The topic is about Peter and MJ.
>>155282588>this thread againwhy are marywhoretards so pitiful and cringe? mentally stuck for 20+ years, Jesus....
>>155283565Don't be so mad you got caught, shill
>>155283771I could agree with you. However, searching marywhore* in desuarchive will show posts that are even worse. So...
>>155283827Why are you talking to yourself?
>>155283498>most of the marriage-focused stories were literally just stupid drama featuring MJ fretting over Peter doing Spider-Man things.This is the problem with superheroes marrying normies. Writers will always make the normie have a problem with the hero because it's easy to do. This is why Chat solos because she never gives Peter shit for being Spider-Man.
>>155283771That's a you problem
>>155283884Because you're an empty shell shilling for Marvel
>>155283498>the marriage-focused stories were literally just stupid drama featuring MJ fretting over Peter doing Spider-Man things. Your cope doesn't change that.Stop lying, coomer. these were not the only stories that were told. But even if they were they are still more interesting.Black Cat on the other hand is steal shit, bat her eye lashes, bounce her tits, make peter look like a simp and repeat. They should have killed her off a long time ago as her gimmick is easy to replicate and can be past on to other more interesting Female characters. They only reason she received proper character dev was because of the marriage or they need to write her like Mary Jane like in 8 deaths. Spider-Man will never have another love interest on the same caliber of Mary Jane Watson despite the recent campaign to shit all over her character. But that's why she's never coming back, no one knows how to her anymore.
Are there any heroes who's spouses are ride or die? A wife who's all about her man fighting villains and actively cheers him on becoming a more prominent hero?
>>155282588No thanks OP, keep your whore for yourself.
>>155284653Do ones where both are heroes count?
>>155284653Isn't animal man's wife somewhat supportive certain runs?
>>155284674
>>155282588Recent Mary Jane 60th issue was MARRIED...so now we're even more confused.I asked Ann Nocenti about it and she said they told her pick a period of time for the MJ story.
>>155283453More like her and Black Cat.
Just wanted to add mephisto now owns Steve Rogers soul since he just sold it to him and thus america's symbol of freedom has fallen.
>>155282588I don't think marvel cares anymore and quite framkely neither do I since i really don't think they will ever bring back the marriage. I have truly had enough of them they shoud do a hard reboot of 616 maybe if they do that I will start carring about their books again.
>>155285156That happened when Joey Q took over.
>>155283498>>155283313Editorial hate BC more than they do MJ and if they could get away with it, they'd make her a dyke like Ice and to perma kill the ship.The only reason Marvel has been even indulging the Peter/BC ship is the fact that, for some strange reason, Black Cat is the only love interest that MJ fans will even remotely tolerate replacing MJ
>>155282588They are going to get back together, but it will be middling synergy shit at first that doesn't truly address the damage honestly that has been done and it will be treated no 'greater' than any other forever relationship these two have apparently had.Paul was an unexploded bomb from the Brevoort manifesto that went off, MJ was meant to have a fiance within a year of BND, they were going to Betty Brant her. This same group of idiots who have been in denial all this year and just doubling down because fans want it and they are spiteful, are still fucking there. There has been no turnover.It won't be until the worlds last redoubt of retards in their forever bachelor bastion are gone that we will have a proper reckoning that seals the marriage again. The generation that grew up with the marriage have been kept from the levers of power. Time and the move is going to rid us of the Gwenfags.We're already going to be down the Shogun and Brevoort who were the most staunchly anti-MJ, now it's just Lowe, White and the incoming but still old-crowd Wacker remaining of the diminished BND lads.>>155285475>Black Cat is the only love interest that MJ fans will even remotely tolerate replacing MJCoomers will like it for the poly angle, but the wider audience are fine with it because these two came up with their own stories together and they really do have chemistry. It's not like a goddamn Carlie Cooper or a Shay or a Pedro or whatever, the current crowd CANNOT write a fucking romance to save their life.
>>155283453Are they still trying to tease this ship or did they realize pairing MJ with yet another dude that wasn't Peter (even if it's an OG character like Flash) was more trouble than it was worth?
>>155286052Look, dude. I grew up with the Raimi trilogy and the 90s cartoon, and I don't care for MJ. I love Spidey, but she's pretty meh aside from her design.
>>155286205Anon.The crowd that grew up with them married in the comics, reading the comics, and wanting them back together in the comics.Citing MJ's characterization in Raimi and the water-woman in the 90's, small wonder you don't see her appeal anon.
>>155286052>They are going to get back togetherNo not after twenty years anon of that we can all be sure more likely they will keep it canon for another twenty years,
>>155282588>What will Marvel do going forward if they want to keep fans?Marvel has shown time and time again that they would rather burn money and make people hate them than bring the marriage back. But they won't ditch MJ or stop teasing her getting back with Peter.
>>155286205I am tired of MJ anyway if anything they should bring back Gwen.
>>155286226>The crowd that grew up with them married in the comics, reading the comics, and wanting them back together in the comicsBro, they're middle aged.>Citing MJ's characterization in Raimi and the water-woman in the 90's, small wonder you don't see her appeal anon.I read the actual comics and she's meh there too. It's just nostalgia for you, bro. Just you wanting things to stay exactly the same as when you were a kid.
>>155286248I want him to get with Squirrel Girl.
>>155286245>But they won't ditch MJ or stop teasing her getting back with Peter.but that's all they do really they tease fans and yet they don't it and do you know why? to spite the fans of course they enjoy trolling them.
>>155286257>Bro, they're middle aged.I'm in my twenties stop presuming, you can read early spider-man with a few button presses. It's night and day the writing so why would I support modern spider-man that gives me nothing but gimmicks and ragebait?>I read the actual comics and she's meh there too. It's just nostalgia for you, bro.Again, I read the series fresh. It's just more appealing than what's currently printed. Spider-Man comics right now are resting on the bones of better comics. And alright, who do you want Peter with - if at all? Fucking Betty Brant? If you're a Feliciafag that's fine but surely you're pissed about her modern stories.
>>155286296>I'm in my twenties stop presumingDamn, you're a dork.>why would I support modern spider-man that gives me nothing but gimmicks and ragebait?You don't. Watch the movies. Play the games. Read Marvel Adventures. There's stuff there to enjoy.>who do you want Peter with - if at all? Fucking Betty Brant?>>155286262
>>155286343No shit, which brings us back to point one - the modern comics are bad, the crowd writing are old and tired, and they are shit at writing romance.You wouldn't want this lot writing your Squirrel Girl/Peter outing.The point is not to rely on secondaries and adaptation for the comics to be good anon.
>>155286265It's not spite or trolling. They really believe that not giving fans what they want is what sells. Not only has Brevoort said it but so has Slott. That's the mindset of Marvel editorial. It's like with Blizzard when people wanted classic WoW and Blizzard said people only think they want it. And then they brought back classic WoW and it was a huge success.
>>155286444And bringing it back in Ultimate and it selling higher than- oh wait.It's just ego, spite and knowledge that once you leave the career in this niche has peaked.
>>155282588The marriage will get brought back in the second-to-last ever Spider-Man comic when Marvel is shutting down the comic department for unprofitability. The last giant-sized issue will try to wrap things up in a epic way but will inevitably end up rushed.
>>155286160NTA but IIRC the last panel with them that had any romantic subtext was the one where Flash was staring forlornly at a picture of him and MJ, after that there hasn't been anything apart from White saying to 'keep reading' when asked if it was sunk or not.
>>155286554>unprofitabilityMarvel could be losing money and Disney will keep them open if they can make money off of it in merchandise and things like games and movies.
>>155286444Literally everyone knows it's a sunk cost fallacy for them, they're just in too deep to pull out and admit that they fucked up
>>155286564I swear it's like the D&D segments during GOT's last season, where your realize your cook is drunk and all the flour is rat poison.Read the room. Write actual drama born of characters and not gimmicks. Or hand this over to people who will. I'd watch Peter get with his one true love, the sock puppet, if we had some actual foundation work done to repair all this damage.
>>1552866042 weeks bros. Let's hope it tanks into the abyss after it.
>>155286642Marvel will reuse this scene but instead of MJ walking on Peter and Raelith it'll be Peter walking in on MJ and Flash/Tony/Paul's decomposing corpse
>>155286496>>155286604I'm saying this multiple times, the spider-man editorial would rather burn the brand into the ground until there is nothing but ashes left, because they refuse to admit they fucked up. We are talking about people who are willing poison themselves with the deadliest poisons in the world and refuse any antidote due not wanting to admit that drinking poison was bad idea.
Don't worry, when this arc ends with Aunt May dying/forgetting about Peter and Peter starts isolating himself from his civilian friends (like in the movies!), MJ will come back after her miniseries wraps up and they'll reconnect and they'll get back together and they'll get married and they'll be reunited with Mayday :)
>>155285475>if they could get away with it, they'd make her a dyke like Ice and to perma kill the ship.They're already getting away with it. She's 14 issues into a book where all she does is try to dyke out with women. She's barely interacted with Peter since he's been back from space - the one time he called her, she said she was sleeping in. >>155286160So far nothing since the very last page of Death Spiral, outside of MJ mentioning that she and Flash weren't around to watch Dylan as QiB got started.
>>155286564>>155286972I'm guessing the conversation they had ended up with MJ saying she didn't feel that way about him, which led to Flash looking pretty sad as he stared at the picture
I unironically want Flash to keep away from the mess that is MJ for his own good.Look at how badly characterized he was in his nothing modern ASM appearances so far, keep him far fucking away from this lot.
>>155286731It was meant to evoke this image, but that would be too much like just desserts for MJ, and we're deep in the MJ did nothing wrong and continues to do nothing wrong rabbithole.This makes her more unlikeable to the general audience than if they actually addressed hard what went down, and acknowledged honestly the hurt she inflicted not only on Peter but the audience with her nonsense bullshit.Remember when she was going off at Felicia for her problems with relationships?
>>155286853Anon, if this happens, the MCU synergy is going to hit Spider-Man and X-Men hard. Always assume for the worst when comes to the MCU synergy.
>>155285475I don't think Black Cat can fill that role because they're just not compatible without one of them fundamentally changing who they are. Peter either has to fully accept that Felicia is a criminal and support it or she has to change her ways permanently. In either case, one character is lessened by it. The dynamic that people like is ruined. It's a good dynamic, but Peter needs a certain amount of insulation from Black Cat stealing shit or it gets weird.
>>155286248Bring back Gwen so Peter can snap her neck again.
>>155287125I've said this before, there is an ongoing to be made of an alternate universe where this pairing works for keeps, but for their early days they would need a powerful external force that allows Felicia to ride her adrenaline junkie tendencies and Peter not to compromise his morals.So fighting some dystopic threat above into their golden years, the pairing works then. It's sad that just a steady life seems too hard, but that's how Felicia keeps getting written by this crowd so that's the only way we'll get it.
>>155287107We get it, Dan, you're a fat retard.
MJ being shackled to Peter again would remove her agency and ruin her character. Honestly, I don't see the point in these beloved characters having traditional nuclear families when them being unconventional is the point.I also have a GoFundMe to help fund my transition if anyone's wondering.
>>155283110Their dynamic when they were actually dating is that Felicia was fucking crazy and that she represented Peter abandoning his normal life. She didn't become anyone worth dating until well after Peter and MJ got married and she had to mature. Even now she's not a good "fit" for Peter because she just lies to him all the time about the retarded shit she gets up to. Good friend, terrible life partner.
>>155287264Weak bait, masochist. You bore me.>>155287155Based.
>>155287107>if they actually addressed hard what went downIf we get a writer that actually cares about them and their relationship then we'll get one that isn't a rehash of Venom #258
>>155286564someone tell Jordan they didn't keep reading
>>155287547And Marvel has no one to blame but themselves
>>155286972>outside of MJ mentioning that she and Flash weren't around to watch Dylan as QiB got started.when was this? were they fucking?
>>155287654They weren't
>>155287566>>155287547Nobody in this fucking office goddamn talks to each-other.Is a single bullet-point paragraph too much for editors to write?
>>155286052Anon, the marriage is gone. It's like those cases of a missing person. The time to solve it was in the first 48 hrs, aka in the most immediately manner. In a few years the marriage would be dead for more time than Barry Allen after CoIE.
>>155286782>the spider-man editorial would rather burn the brand into the ground until there is nothing but ashes left, because they refuse to admit they fucked upMy guy, the movie made over 2 billion. Who gives a shit about the overpriced comic books?
>>155286296Another child of the archive. Opinion discarded.
>>155287814As opposed to?
>>155282588>Comic Peter and MJ>Boring, one-dimensional couple where the woman is just the girlfriend, and that’s all that defines her character>Movie MJ>She has her own personality and opinions, even though she spends 50% of the time screaming while being kidnappedI didn’t like Movie MJ, but time has proven that she was better
>>155287878Movie MJ's a hoe.
>>155287883She's better than the “sexy girlfriend who's just sexy and that's all there is to it” Comic MJ is boring. Felicia is a little better because she owns her sluttiness, but she still doesn’t compare to the movie version of MJ. Looking at it from a less “normie” perspective, you have a character in the movie version of MJ. The comic book version, even in this Paul plot, is just a sexy redhead. Tell me something that defines the comic book MJ other than her physical attributes.
Marvel interns crawling on their bellies in this thread.
>>155282588Easy, Peter marries Paul and MJ becomes the third wheel. They do that for 20 years before the AI editors of Spiderman decide humans shouldn't read comics anymore and torch the whole.
Why would Spider-Man being in a relationship make his stories better? People are projecting themselves onto Spider-Man. The last time he was relatable was in the ’60s, and I’d even say that “Dirty Poor Spidey” from the Raimi movies is a better representation of the typical Spider-Man fan.
>>155287927>Tell me something that defines the comic book MJ other than her physical attributesHer backstory. She hides behind a party girl facade because she doesn't want her life to get held back by responsibilities to other people the same way it happened to her mother and sister. Gwen's death and her getting closer with Peter were all part of her long running character arc.You should try reading Spider-Man sometime, it's pretty good
>>155288182The secondary stench is extremely strong in this thread anon.We got people citing Raimi for characterization of a sixty year old character.
>>155287789Anon, it doesn't change my point because of how stubborn and petty they are.
>>155288182>ewing bastardizing this scene to carry, sweep and whitewash the Paul sagaGive me that Orson Welles rant about hack writers and the homage.
>>155283498Batman and Catwoman outdated spidey and black cat by decades lilbro
>>155287654Not fucking, but in the apartment and looking over Dylan.
>>155288223Why do we have a generation of creators who all are opposed to marriage and children? But double down on found families like nobodies business?
>>155288256How does MJ afford her apartment? The Krakoa medicine that made people insane? Wouldn't she suffer horrible reputational damage from that?What does she even do?
>>155288182>Her backstoryEmma had the same shit. Shitty childhoods and shit parents aren't unique to her. They're a dime a dozen with Marvel characters. MJ's shtick is small potatoes.
>>155288182I read it, and all I saw was the hot girl and a fakeass relationship.
>loser lonely spiderman made 2 billionHaha that marriage is never coming back
>>155288307Not to mention SpideyxJean being a thing.
>>155288296>>155288297>>155288307>>155288325Just stick to the MCU.
>>155288307Neither is Gwen
>>155288296You asked me to describe her without mentioning her looks and I did. The fact that you responded to me with an AI summary instead of a comic scan tells me that you've never read a good Spider-Man comic in your life
>>155288325It’s not a thing…yet…. if ever… granted the MCU is no stranger to weird deviations, remember when Joss tried to make Bruce and Natasha a thing
>>155282588Why would you want Peter back with current MJ? She's terrible now
>>155288296Emma's backstory of that was also established decades later compared to MJ.
>>155288442>tells me that you've never read a good Spider-Man comic in your lifeNah, I read the old Ditko and Romita stuff. Try again.
>>155288487And it's better.
>>155288504No. Emma is about 30% of what is wrong with the X-Men now. And weirdly she got worse about it.
>>155288182This is a retcon made almost 18 years after her first appearance. Sometimes I wonder if you people actually read the issues that you use as example, lmao
>>155288639What does that have to do with anything?
>>155288494That anon was being exaggeratory and you took an easy out. Point is, MJ is the only love interest so far with an interesting character due to this storyline and MJ actually displays agency in the guise of having no agency/being ditzy. It also is rooted in prior material and has enough justification. That's interesting. Your failure to consider these facts isn't.It also serves as a nice contrast to Peter's character and actually serves as a counterpoint to his own views. Something many women and modern hack writers try to replicate but fail to write effectively.>>155288639>18 years...retcon...therefore badNigga I wonder if you're not legally considered braindead. Yes, in the hands of a modern BND editorial writer those elements are more likely to hinder a story more than help it. But again, if you read it and consider it in the context of evrrything around it, then maybe you'll realize that you're retarded.
>>155282646Has MJ been shown to be bi?
It's rich complaining about retcons as if modern BND writers aren't working on the mother of all of them, and continue to do them.Slott inserting Bailey into old stories is just so shameless.
Sick and tired of fake niggas. Jarvis, send a tactical orbital strike and have it target Nick Lowe's hotel room. Aim for the northeastern corner as that is likely where the cuck chair is.
>>155288721The next gen absolutely is going to make her bi.
>>155288296And I'd add that it's irrelevant to her character. Emma's backstory wasn't just created to humanize her, but also to explain her behavior, whereas MJ is just a sexy redhead. I think comic books need genitalia.
>>155288721No. The closest has been that Black Cat Beyond issue with her wearing the same costume.
>>155288734THANK YOU BEST BOY AND LITERALLY ME
>>155288749Fucking read the thread and read the books. Fucking fake ass secondary larpin' performative faggot. Jarvis, send this mewling weakling to the gulag, whip him 40 days and 40 nights, and make sure he spends 12 years a slave.
>>155288738Solely for Black Cat and Peter, no one else.
>>155288749It defined her character from then on and re-contextualized the massive character assassination that Wolfman did to shove in some shitty love triangle with Betty and Ned. That backstory literally salvaged MJ as a character
>>155288773The Raimi trilogy pulls it off, maybe because the characters have well-defined arcs. In comic books, it’s like, “MJ can’t do that, so just draw some butt shots of her.” I’ve already said that comic books need genitalia, and I’ll add that they need full penetration. Show everything, including bodily fluids.
>>155288803It also helped characterize and add reason to her flakiness even before that. It also helped Peter see how he could reveal his identity to people in a measured way as well as trust even if it didn't work out. Y'know the type of measured decisions that adults make and the type of weighty dramatic soap opera decisions that Spider-Man is known for except it is elevates it beyond soap opera because it can't just be handwaved away as a amnesia or an evil twin. The Clone Saga literally that twin brother shit soap opera hacks write except it actually played out and humanized the asspull twin brother to further describe Peter's own identity. Holy fuck, I fucking hate Lowe using the soap opera excuse to excuse for bad writing instead of actually appreciating dramaticism means. Throw him into the trash compactor as I lord over him at the top, slowly hearing the hydraulics compress and break all of the funko pops and all of Slott's Dr. Who memorabilia.
>>155288836So you're just baiting now huh? Ok ranjeet, go make me a turd sandwich so I can throw it back in your face. Tell me where MJ has agency or impact to the plot in the movies that doesn't involve forced love triangle drama. Meanwhile in Marvel Knights she shoots Norman Osborn, she beats up Chameleon, she gets Peter a new apartment several timesn, she gets over being stalked by Jonathan Caesar, she provides emotional support for Peter in JMS's run and several runs before that with writing that is more about Peter's own guilt and hang-ups, and she has dealt with Aunt May, Nathan, Kristy, and other supporting cast people and their own drama. Go on, faggot, request bobs and vagene. But you'll find that meaningful discussion requires taste and all you like is shit.
>Mfw I hear Lowe expecting to keep his job past the California move
>>155288885A few moments in 60 years of history don't make her interesting. In the second and third movies, she's central to Peter's character arc. I'll give you that, the first movie doesn't do much with her. But I still think comic books need more sex.
>>155288794There will be an ongoing, it will be hailed as progressive and it will be unironically celebrated and embraced by the masses.
>>155288923This nigga....putting on blinders to the all the threads we have had posting pages and pages of all the times MJ and Peter have had implied sex as well as his performative horniness trying to false flag as us anons being braindead gooners expecting hardcore hentai sex in the pages of western comics. Not this time, faggot. >a few momentsNigga, try issues and issues of their relationship developing in B-plots through the 70's-00's.
>>155282588No, Spider-Man is for Morrigan, Black Cat, Chun-Li, and Roll.
>>155288923This nigga reeks of a comic book pro trying to mischaracterize the complaints and making up one to make us look bad/delusional.Mind you, I would like some kino hentai with them. But expecting Marvel to provide anything beyond what has happened in the past is delusional.
>>155288923>but I still think comic books need more sex.>complains about married Peter and MJ>THE couple pushing what you could get away with in a Big 2 ongoingLad.You're all over the place.And you really read the comics?
WHAT?!? YOU WANT ME TO PUT EFFORT IN COMING UP WITH IDEAS FOR WRITING THE BOOKS? YOU'RE TELLING THE EDITOR TO READ THEM AND KEEP TRACK OF WHAT IS GOING ON?!? NIGGA ARE YOU OUT OF YO DAM MIND? MY NAME IS NIG LOWE AND I DEMAND MY WELFARE AND I DEMAND IT WITH ZERO WORK BEING DEMANDED OF ME!!!!!
>>155288885Thank you deranged and angry effort poster for bringing life.
>>155288980He walked in here really saying that shit. Bait used to be believable and have some modicum of effort.
>>155288998No problem.
>Meanwhile....
>>155289010>joe q using the marriage issue pages and jarring them open to put in OMITWhat makes a man so venomous to something so beloved?
>>155289006These are dark times for /co/, post count is really low and b8ers are citing the Raimi movies for their comic complaints
>>155288900I hope Marvel lays him off right after he signs the mortgage for a house in LA.
Man excuse my typos here >>155288843Anyway, I assume that one anon who would see Lowe at his NY comic shop doesn't anymore due to the upcoming move as well as Lowe being mocked onsight. At least I would if that were the case. Oh? Assuming me, anon would be all bluster because I sit behind a screen? Yeah that takes as much of a leap in assumption as me actually taking action. But as you can see, I don't give a fuck what you think and the fact I bring it up shows I have been around here, willing to say it anyway. The reason I don't? Yeah I'm fiscally responsible due to the fact I don't waste money flying to NY for a grudge. Lowe? He wastes money comissioning JRJR to make a cover everyone who is sane, mocks and will never buy.
>>155289028>Cut up and mangle someone else's script and art with new scenes that completely undermine that original storyI get freshly mad about this every time it comes up. It's one thing to retcon a previous story, but to cut up the original comic and paste in new panels to do it? That's beyond insulting not just to the reader, but to everyone who worked on the original story.
>>155289028Stereotypical jewish greed and money. Not jewish money itself (even tho the Shylock himself Avi Arad exists as well as Slott and Bendis) and Disney as well as corporations seeking to undermine any ounce of creative effort or specific character trait/feature is why. It is also why aliens aren't relatable but foreign in sci-fi, men aren't closed off and immediately open up about their emotions and realistic panic attacks are in vogue. Appealing to the widest demographic and ending up appealing to no one.>>155289036Grim.>>155289056Based. Wishing malice upon those who deserve it is how they learn. But we mustn't obsess. I don't frequent these threads too often.
I expect fans to chuddah the fuck out when it comes to post-1000 ASM even if I want pic rel to happen as well. Make 'em bleed and lose money. John Carter them to fucking hell.
>>155289143I predict the collector buffer is going to take a hit at #1000, when the bizarre hold the odometer in every collectorfags brain gives them permission to cease.Not as much as you might hope, but that really is the retard buffer the worlds laziest office needs as a crutch. They do not grow an audience or give new fans a cause to love, so every collector ceasing is like a bit of vertebrae giving out.
>>155288749I really should know better than to argue with an X-fag but they really constantly do nothing but prove how hard they don't read other books.
>>155289181yeah, 1000 is just such a nice round number to call it
>>155289253Some snarking writer with the leash off would have Aunt May looking at past photos of herself and realize she is getting younger. This would start a domino cascade where everything comes to a head, but give Aunt May agency over choosing her own death.If this was a DC Prime writer they would.
Imagine being Slott when it comes to worthwhile output of Spider-Man issues. He only has 4 issues being Spider-Man/Human Torch and that's it.
>>155289272Damn I forgot about that discord link in that image. My bad.
Y'know what happens when effort and ambition dries up when it comes creative endeavors? Pic rel never happens again. Only people leeching off such an idea. And blacks being depocted as one-note props. Sure, blacks do not need to have race impact every single facet of their depictions. Sometimes blacks need to be depicted as horny and willing to do bad things as much as boring things or interesting things like being upstanding members of society like janitors, policemen, accountants, lawyers, protagonists, etc. But ripping off a white character or removing the nuance from a older character so that a young character can take some of it is hackish. The marriage is not related to race. But...it is tangled with some of Marvel's reasoning for Miles existing. They would also want Miles so that they have an excuse to...wait...actually Marvel is just fucking retarded and their arguments have never made sense.
>Pic rel>Me sitting in Lowe's house tonight awaiting his arrival after I uploaded the undoing of OMD issue with fully done art, and word balloons to his computer with an undoable executable sending these files to the printer and publisher with a forged email to Akira and Wacker saying 1000 has been sent for their review which is actually what Lowe intended as 1000.
>>155288325>Not to mention SpideyxJean being a thing.It won't
>>155289272>Get used to disappointment.Is he addressing the readers or Spoffice after sales start going down the drain?
>>155288325>>155288307Yeah just ignore she is a redheaded white woman who is more conventionally attractive than Zendaya which happens to line up with what MJ conventionally looks like in the comics as well as the fact that Spider-Man had a lot of foundational character development ham strung by being Iron Boy Jr. and NWH being a repeat of OMD/OMIT that almost everyone universally found issue with. Jarvis, spam the n word and throw this/these anon(s) into the fiery pits of limbo as they consume lava for an eternity.
>>155289272>those quotesMan those are old old, they are not feeling nearly as cocky these days.Going to be a full murder eating all that crow.
>>155289399He's coping in his mind that he is addressing the readers when the latter is true. As evidenced by him getting btfo'd by that one Twitter user who replied to him with the smugmask soijak seething underneath.
>>155289021Gwen is a miles character now.
>>155289424Yeah it's satisfying how they've shut up nowadays. Rich Evans also probably helped. He gaped and raped Quesadilla in front of everyone.
>>155289424Yeah, I don't know how they didn't realize that constantly pissing off your readerbase to try and make them more 'engaged' actually just makes them apathetic to the story until they just drop it entirely sooner.
>>155289447Darius LaClerc already beat you buddy and he got there before she died and then trooned out. Funny how it works that way. Just takes a mutliversal variant to survive that.
>>155289424>Man those are old old, they are not feeling nearly as cocky these days.And yet they're not fixing things either
>>155289493This nigga looks mixed
>>155288738Remember: You can't spell "lesbian" without "bi"
>>155289495They won't, they'll continue treading water with secret evil cousins until the BND team are finally put out to pasture.They've tried nothing and they are out of ideas.
>>155289520Marvel Rivals makes like infinite money as compared to the entirety of Marvel Comics.And it's the first impression for most Gen Z and Alpha.Kek.
Red Sonja canonically has sensed MJ's undying love and lust for Peter and it caused her to feel the pangs of emotion she has tried to snuff out from time to time.
>>155289537Is it really so much just to give the audience what they want? Why does it have to be a war between creative and audience.
>>155289520At this point, I wonder who genuinely hates the marriage apart from Quesadilla's cabal and Gwenfags.
>>155289557I can only imagine what would happen if she possessed MJ now>"They made a deal with WHO?"
>>155289553Yeah. I remember being in a comic shop and hearing the owner being surprised zoomers like me were coming in looking for Cloak and Dagger comics. Holy kek. A liberal comic writer's wet dream and it took a chinaman and koreans to do it through sex rather than any of their gay shit.
>>155283313I think the Lads deserve one major AU where Peter gets with one of his love interests and gets a fuckton of children with her.
>>155289576>sex sells>don't fuck with the OTP>no seriously, do not fuck with the OTP>more bikinis, print another millionChina's no nonsense approach just nuking from orbit.Yes Lowe, you really can just push a button and print money.
>>155289557>red sonja just starts violently beating her head against the wall trying to erase the memories of the last ten years from the possessed bodyWould be like Peter viewing Otto fucking Aunt May, good god poor Sonja.
>>155289572Well MJ made the deal. So Sonja would sense something wrong her and Peter's soul and then pull back a curtain to reveal Marvel creatives and editorial and then swing her sword to lop all their heads off in one fell swoop.Oh yeah and MJ had a period where she had to get over smoking. It was a B-plot unique to her. So yeah more examples of her doing shit outside of Peter even if he does help her get over it. Something a husband would do.
>>155289566It's literally just a bottleneck brigade of cronies out of time, they are catering to a youth market they do not understand with plots that do not appeal.Disney should have a memorandum ensuring term limits for editors and EIC.
>>155289609If such a thing were to happen, I wouldn't frame it in misery porn ways like that. That's Slott's territory.
>>155289616It was more Joe Q's war against smoking, I believe it was around the same period Wolverine stopped smoking cigars.
>>155289596Yeah and it continues. It is consistent with low risk. If I were a board member, I'd gut the sonuvabitch's pay and throw him back into his intern position.
>>155289632Slott even recently did a story in Superman where he teased Kid Jon coming back but LOL NO!
>>155289632I'm imagining 70's, 80's and 90's MJ looking at what 2020's MJ was going to be bedding for half the decade and just going full villain arc.Not even if he was the last goddamn guy on earth, what even IS that?
>>155289638Nope. Joey wasn't in charge yet and the X-office weren't fags yet. My impression is that it was because the 90's was when smoking really got ostracized even more.
>>155289651He's just a spiteful shitposter. The one time he took criticism properly is when he was caught dead to rights horny on main with Silks entire origin.Bitten by the same spider, for gods sake you hack.
>>155289656If anything justifies a Superboy Prime esque fall it's this
>>155289675I have never seen a generation of writers with such open contempt for their audience? Do they just think they're rock stars or something?
>>155289676Oh Prime would massacre the entire thing and it would be righteous and just, the strawman coming full circle into being a conduit for the audiences catharsis.
>>155289651A parasite is going to parasitize. What else is he gonna do? Make an effort? Nah it's comics baby. Just accept shit and mediocrity.
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>>155289709For some anons to know, that is basically Slott trying to distract and weasel his fucking gargantuan corpulent ravenous frame way out of addressing that panel by deflecting to the poster using an image from a more conservative guy's website (I think).Marvel loves retarded debate tactics like that.Pic rel is someone who had him more hard pressed on their inane decisions.
If the current editorial tries undoing OMD it'll end with MJ permanently breaking things off with Peter and either telling him that he deserves someone so much better than her or telling him that he was disgusting for making a deal with the devil.
I love this nigga using Lowe's own shit to get under the fags skin.
>>155283066>meanwhile in the comics
>>155289753MJ made it. So they can't do that. But yeah they would use retarded logic anyway.Doesn't mean they won't be enshrined in the HOAD until eternity for bending the knee to the fans they despise. Nigga is sucking cock as we speak as they get left in the California dust.
>>155289700They said the same thing about Star Wars
>>155289771Ok? So?
>>155289753My headcanon that makes more sense than Joe Q's literal magic nonsense is that neither Peter nor MJ ever left the hospital.They were in a fugue state, Mephisto going all out with Peter fantasizing visiting everyone and getting more desperate - and MJ on her end is having all her fears about being resented by Peter amplified.Just cover for both saying they weren't in the right frame of mind, they did not have 24 goddamn hours to think whether a deal with the devil was a bad idea.OAA does intervene trying to talk to Peter, because Mephisto is breaking the cosmic rules with his blatant desperate throw of the dice, but Peter and MJ still made the choice and have to owe the consequences. It just gives a fig leaf to them both and also the wider Marvel Universe being unable to fix an old lady's bullet wound on one day but curing the incurable super cancer the next. They never left the building.Both MJ and Peter are equally culpable, and will need to work together to get their agency restored.
>>155289822Thanks for agreeing that Mephisto is betrayed if he doesn't appear in every Miles Morales media.
>>155289822>Brevoort also saying Marvel Rivals is irrelevant>“I tell you, I tend to think that popularity in Marvel Rivals likely has more to do with play mechanics than it does the characters themselves. Which is to say that I haven’t seen any major correlation between popularity in the game and a rise of interest in the character in print, outside of maybe one or two outliers.He is just the fountain of wrong opinions, how is this man still in charge of anything?
>>155289753>and either telling him that he deserves someone so much better than her or telling him that he was disgusting for making a deal with the devil.>Marvel will do either of these but still keep MJ around to tease. I think a good chunk of the problem with all of this is how they want it gone but they never want to fully commit to them being gone. They tease them back together constantly. On top of that they got the idea that MJ needs to be a character on her own. I love MJ. She is one of my favorite supporting characters. But that's what she is. A supporting character. This is not a slight against supporting characters. Supporting characters are some of the most important characters in the comic. It's a huge reason why so many books suck now. But they're not headliners. They exist for the hero.
>>155289838I would rather just have TOBA be a factor who gave a super boost to Mephisto to circumvent TOAA and also brainwash them which is breaking the cosmic rule of freewill that cosmic entities like Mephisto can't break. Purple Man can mindcontrol but it is limited while Mephisto conceivably brainwashing a whole planet is within his capabilities but he can't due to said rules.
>>155289700Bullshit Dan, every character is a flame that has to be carried well else it goes out.
>>155289849I don't understand, ESL.>>155289863It's not opinion. It's just lies and excuses to do less work.>>155289864It would work in an AU but also I think maybe a bit more characterization and exploration of her POV and life outside of Peter would have to be written for that and for a standalone of hers.
Kick him out Zohran Mamdani >>155289901
>>155289876Yeah that was some prime high school level immature thinking that any sane person who has spent some time in english class would understand to be a retarded excuse.
>>155289901You would not get away with the first few issues of Superior nowadays.That was blatant SA by deception, Otto kissed MJ under false pretenses. He would have slept with her too if not interrupted.Slott is so grungy.
>>155289914Nigga what are you even trying to say or imply?
>>155289935How much confidence do you have with Marvel losing influence in Manhattan?
>>155289929Yeah that and how Wacker tried to grope D'Orazio or how she described his tantrum during the NY blackout is funny but also very disturbing. Same with Mark Waid even existing. That fag punched a wall and thrashed around on the ground and also made fun of a murderer in a comic using the family as a punchline.
>>155289951Confidence in what? Confidence in Marvel when they are moving out? I don't really care. NY and California are probably both shitty places to work with their costs.
>>155289952>his tantrumI meant to say Slott's tantrum. Point is, comic creatives that are of those 3's generation are weirdly mentally ill and spiteful faggots.
>>155289979Based Gerry
>>155289991A writer, who knew what characters he was watching.Meanwhile, Slott is cumming over some gay shit.
>>155290004>>155289979>>155289952Found it.
>>155290026Fuck. Nvm. Wrong one. Still funny tho.
>>155290055What the fuck is prime about current ASM?Even during Slotts run, the big capstone was someone was wearing his skin?
>>155290063He didn't know that was his peak because it was an idea that was semi-unique (even though KLH is the same thing but better in terms of message and themes).
Brevoort's taste in humor and comics, /co/mrades. Read it and weep.
>>155290086And MJ was able to at a glance tell the difference just from the silhouette and demeanor in the costume.MJ in superior can't in multiple dates figure out something is wrong with the person she had a child with.MJ under Slotts pen is just an idiot.
>>155290100Fuck I'm going too fast. Still, what she says is probably true considering Perch also says so.
>>155290100You absolutely get this from Brevoort, like when he just said the quiet thing out loud that the comics are an IP farm for the movies.Just given up on the whole medium.
>>155290113Mindboggling.
Slott? Yeah I know he will eventually fly into tard rage. The question is, when and how hard?
>>155290121But you know who DID notice the difference???
Another instance of Slott trying to boost his ego by going undercover and seeing how people respond to him gassing himself up.
>>155290145Yeah that bullshit. Too bad for Quesadilla, I now have ample opportunity to photoshop his kid in OMD into degrading situations but I choose not to because I am a better person than him. Also yeah Carlie sucks ass.
JMS posting this (pic rel) says all you need to know about his involvement in OMD even if the sales data is distorted or not completely true. The fact he did, means he was willing to throw those faggots under the bus.
>>155290198Man there's stuff after 500 I might consider decent but 500 is just a great overall stopping point. Like did you ever stop to really think about how many comics 500 is? How many 1000 is? It's a lot of comics, Geronimo.
>>155289520Could you imagine if western fans were just as rabid about comics as Chinese fans are about gachas?
>>155290400It would be a better world. But...comic conventions would be a little sketchy for creators if they made mistakes. That would be tough.
>>155290166>I now have ample opportunity to photoshop his kid in OMD into degrading situations but I choose not to because I am a better person than himAnon what, come on leave the kid out of it. That shouldn't even be on your mind.
>>155290500It's bait. Also if you were Quesada, about to do something that was about to earn the ire of many people upon you and put your own kid in that very book during a time where photoshop exists, doesn't that seem suspect to you? It would appear to me that he wanted people to go that far. It's like the fags who lambast hentai but then are caught with CP like that Kurt Eichenwald guy. Yes, perhaps I did go a bit far in that post and it shouldn't have crossed my mind. But...genuinely what the fuck did Quesada mean when he did that?
>>155290400>Could you imagine if western fans were just as rabid about comics as Chinese fans are about gachas?Quesada's getting shanked at the first convention he attends post-OMD.
Let's just call the OMD unborn "Carlie Parker" to separate her from DeFalco's May Parker and Quesada.
>>155290198He was feuding with Wacker at the time and specifically posted that for him to see.
