why aren't there that many good and well known female comic writers/artists?
>>155302515rather than creating beautiful art they focus on trying to make themselves more beautiful. not that i blame them.
>>155302515Because people are shitty to them
there are a bunch of women who write and/or draw comics its just that most of them are bad at it. especially the writers
>>155302515I mean, have you seen comic nerds? I wouldn't want to be around them either.
i think the real question is >>155302443
>>155302515Nerd hobbies are predominately male.
>>155302515I've never read a female story, /co/ and non-/co/, that didn't somehow involve romance. It's ingrained in the female mind and their greatest downfall.
>>155302571Men do not experience love apparently
>>155302571this. a lot of women who write comics lean hard into muh feelings and muh relatability. just give me something entertaining for fucks sake
>>155302515There are, but they're all in Asia making manga.Why that is is up for debate. I theorize that manga is a make-or-break industry while western comics are more of a 'the character's profitable, just do whatever and tell YOUR story :3' faggotry.But I have no data to back this up.
Louise Simonson is good.
>>155302591>'the character's profitable, just do whatever and tell YOUR story :3' faggotry.no you're 100% correct
>>155302576shes been listening to too much foreigner.
>>155302515There are plenty that do porn art and comics.
There are plenty.But they aren't in the Big 2.The Big 2 are a Good Ol' Boys Club, they don't even make time or climb for young men, you'd think they'll let a woman into their club?
>>155302715>The Big 2 are a Good Ol' Boys Clubgood
>thinly veiled excuse to post chicks in the comic book industry you think are hotI can't tell if you're based or cringe, OP.
>>155302742nice headcanon mate.
>>155302726No it's not.The cronyism is beyond shame, they fail upwards and they fall over themselves for Hollywoods approval and adaptations, so don't think there is some culture war victory in the status quo. They are the rot.
>>155302515comics lean 99% male and the remaining 1% don’t tend to want industry jobs
>>155302795I'd rather some old dudes be there than women.
>>155302864Why? Because sometimes there’s romance in a comic?
>>155302873Because women are stupid. What kind of question is that?
>>155302864That's retarded.Enjoy your Slott slop.
>>155302900It seems reductive to say half the population is just incapable of thought or making engaging, entertaining work for literally no reason. Were you rejected by women a lot in high school and college?
>>155302920Post engaging, entertaining work made by women. Right now.
>>155302930I like Rachel Pollack’s Doom Patrol, Nancy Collin’s southern gothic take on Swamp Thing, The Low, Low Woods by Carmen Maria? All of these are really well done with stunning art
>>155303016>Pollack - contains gender politics>Collins - romance is a focal point>Maria - pic relatedThis is what I mean. Women can't tell stories without twisting the story to meet them. Men twist themselves to write a story, and that comes out far more engaging.
>>155302515It's kind of a boys club. When the guys went to WW2 a lot of women artists stepped up to keep comics coming out. The best of them were as good as almost anyone at the time. When the guys came back the women were out of work again
>>155303215You just don’t like anything that isn’t made by your own kind because you legitimately can’t handle another perspective
>>155303322>made by your own kindi always forget that its humans VS bots here. we really are fighting the real war.
>>155303339>Everyone I don’t like is a bot!!!1 You can’t even explain why these stories are bad at all
>>155303322>You just don’t like anything that isn’t made by your own kindI thought that was pretty obvious >>155302900. Men only.
>>155303373i wasnt even that anon.
>>155303374>”Women twist everything to be about themselves”>Looks inside >Man unable to anything that isn’t about himself So who was the girl who broke your heart?
>>155303412Her name was Bet, and she was beautiful.
>>155302515Got me. There are some decent female comic artists (OP pic unrelated), but I haven't come across good female comic writers.Manga, on the other hand, has tons of great female writer/artists. It's bizarre.
>>155303446knock knock
>>155303456I hate to "Thing Japan!!!!!!!!!!!!", but nip women really do go in with a different mindset.
men make things that are action focusedwomen make things that focus on social relationshipsguess which ones people like more
>>155303478I think it's fine when the author doesn't outright tell you what you're supposed to like. a lot of wester women authors and artists create things assuming that you already know you're supposed to agree with their politics
I bet more women make comics per capita, especially if we consider manga and webcomics. A lot of smaller works and stories get overshadowed by capeshit cause it's just so much more mainstream (and male oriented). Having said that, women do tend to cover very similar topics and do have more of a preference for things like romance, politics, and identity. Also, I hate women and wish they'd stay out of my hobbies.
>>155303490And ideally a series can nail both.
>>155303446If this is true and not some joke that my autistic woman brain isn’t registering, then I’m truly sorry. I feel for you, I’m sure if we talked more then we’d have an interesting conversation about comics and maybe I could change your mind or at the very least, you could introduce me to some storylines from artists I might like. Either way, I can only hope you will give some more comics by women a chance some day.
>>155303557I agree. For a gay example, I feel like Gravity Falls was able to do both because of its 22 minute run time. Steven Universe gets flack because they had entire episodes dedicated to townies since they had to keep a plot limited to one episode, instead of being able to have a B plot along with the A plot.
>>155303589It’s true. It’s not a joke. I miss her dearly, and I Bet you didn’t see that coming
>>155303633You got me lolBut really, if you ever wanna chat I would be open to hearing your comic recommendations and opinions. I need more people to talk to who aren’t JUST into anime.
>>155302515>>155302965
>>155302864Nah. There are some really good women leaders in entertainment.When Jenette Kahn was in charge of DC in the 80s, she commissioned the DC bullet logo, started a creator's rights and compensation program, pulled in a bunch talent by pushing limited series (Dark Knight Returns, Watchmen, etc), and created Vertigo (which was ran by another woman).If you wanna talk cartoons, there is Margaret Loesch. She was in charge of FOX Kids from 1990-1997.
>>155302515Comics, both superhero and alternative/indie, don't have much to attract women really unlike manga. So they never develop an interest and never get involved in the industry, fewer and fewer women focused titles are made, continuing a vicious cycle. Not to mention the general cultural perceptions of comics and attitudes of comic book nerds towards women
>>155303808>comic book nerds towards womenI would put the creators on blast before the audience, one informing the other. God knows the Spider office is just an absolute shitshow.
>>155303016>Rachel PollackThat's a man.
>>155302515
>>155304050There's plenty of cute creators but they're pretty much all shit.
>>155304060monstress is good. don't talk like the context isn't in fact the comic industry shitting itself as people like fucking bendis had years long runs. diarrhea runs.the wrong people are well known. we need people like moore, gaiman, carey, remender and others back. marjorie liu will always be better than half the other shits we know about
>>155302571>>155302515>>155302579>sigh
>>155303490>>155302715>>155302900>>155303215>sighsee PICREL >>155304132
>>155304132>>155304140okay cool now come up with more than one example because as long as there's only one example it's just cherry picking or exception proves the rule
>>155304152>”Name one”>Names one>”Not that one!”You can’t make this shit up
>>155304213>Name oneNobody said this before you.
>>155304213https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule
>>155302515because most of them don't build on the existing lore, they just introduce female characters whose only purpose is to take the wind out of the sails of the primary male character.
>>155302515I would fuck a baby in this lady's belly.
>>155302571I wish we could go back to the days when all comic writers were men producing manly masculine stories like pic related.
>>155302591Manga hasn't really been “male-oriented” since at least the '70s, and there have always been more female artists than male ones at Comiket, so there's a fundamental difference there.But I think that's mostly just because women tend to write young adult novels and things like that instead of comics in the West.
>>155302571I have. But I'm sure you'll try to twist it as something like say FMA having romance in it at which point I can say the same about the men that I haven't read a /co/ or non-/co/ male written story that didn't have any romance.
>>155302571Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver is like the one example I can think of that is even worth a mention. An exception to the rule, tho. It almost never happens.
>>155302515There are tons of famous and talented Japanese women in the manga industry. American women just fucking suck.
>>15530504820 years of listening to /co/ bitch and moan about Peter Parker and MJ not being together and now all of a sudden they don't want romance.
>>155304050She always reminds me this nude model from FTV.
>>155305069I think female artists dont get into comicbooks. They do book illustrations instead of comics.
>>155304119>monstress is goodIt's not. She jumped up on a few popular trends of the time with "GoT-esque storytelling and fantasy" and paied with an artist that was getting good traction. You only think she's a good writer because you want to fuck her but she was clowned on as a hack hard before Monstress.
>>155305409I don't know anything she wrote other than Monstress, but I enjoy it. Takeda's art definitely elevates what would otherwise be a fairly unexceptional story, but it's good enough to keep me reading.
>>155305444You're free to enjoy it just as how others enjoy Bendis. It's not well written though.
>>155302576Is that why almost all the current /a/ romances are male-focused and meant for a male market?
because women suck dude>>155305444>>155305409>>155304119>>155304050yea Liu is hot Monstress is a goddamn dense mess imo great art though
>>155302515Women prefer reading without pictures.
>>155305069But why don't we see women in comics while manga has lots of them? Why?
>>155306108There are a lot of women in comics.
Women can be fantastic artists and designers but they are guided by herd mentality. So if one were to push a certain trend they all adopt it and emulate what's popular. do they ever wonder whos pushing these trends? Do you all really like witches? Its way more rare for women to take risks because they are deathly afraid of being socially ostracized. They still revere award shows and celebrities. Any male with skills AND self respect dgaf, you make what you want and if you are good people will know
Liu-chan...
>>155304050Fetal alcohol syndrome.
>>155302920half the population is incapable of thought thats why we have all these problems
>>155303456>magi was written by a womanthat one I never saw coming...though I guess it explains the crying and feelings
>>155303557Nah society is gay. I like stuff like mazen kaizer or pre talking blame! like just get to the good stuff.
>>155304050Crazy to think the LAST GOOD AND READABLE X-MEN COMICBOOK is hers: ASHTONISHING X-MEN with kitty pryde and iceman.
>>155303589>who hurt you?>was literally asked by a womando you people have any self respect?
>>155303808What about all the relationship drama?
>>155306868It was okay, but she had Iceman go crazy and kill a lot of people. Every time they do that it makes the X-Men come across like villains who fight to retain special abilities they shouldn't have.
Hayden Sherman is my favorite female artist
>>155305069and european, and south american, and african, and australian, and polynesian, and antacrtic, and space, and middle eastern, and central asian, and eastern european, and south asian and south east asian, and chinese and korean, and *checks notes* oh wait its EVERYONE outside of japan.
>>155306874I do sincerely think a lot of you are just hurt by women, I can’t see any other reason you’d have such vitriol
>>155306329Everything you said applies to men, too.
>>155306947Your mental illness is spewing.
Well, Ann Nocenti is essential to Daredevil.
>>155307196I don't like Nocenti's writing at all.Flo is not a creator.
>>155307196DC's current editor-in-chief.
>>155307196She’s also complete dogshit at writing.
>>155307034Ok name some famous and talented women from any of those places
>>155305048Nah I get what hes saying. Even in a lot of long running world building series where romance seems like it be unavoidable it seems like men go out of their way to NOT include it. I'm just thinking of naruto where hinata has her little confession the manga basically acts like it didn't happen then poof naurto is just with hinata at the end. Fairy tail is more romancy but even so natsu and lucy don't get together at the end even though there were like 8 times where you thought they would. Every other pairing aside from gray and juvia is just rumored and the only two who advance anywhere is levy and gajeel. Just compare this to something like the end of harry potter. Even natsus ex girlfriend didn't get with him after he brought her back and that plotpoint just looks almost dropped. Dragon ball I'm pretty sure everything outside of goku getting engaged happens during a timeskip. People just show up with more children.
>>1553071963x3 and 6x4
>>155306967Of course because that how women always think.
>>155307196It's actually pointless to show that women have ALWAYS been pivotal in comics/sequential art in general. From female execs, publishers, editors, writers and artists, women have always been there. It's only a problem *now* because of a culture war and standing on this "Get women out of comics" nonsense is more of a defense of the hobby than how they actually feel. If you point out a woman who has good, critically acclaimed work and is essential to a series they'll say "Well, I thought the writing was dogshit and it's her fault" or "I liked it better after her run". If you point out a new comic creator, they pick apart her appearance and either say "She's cute, too bad her writing is shit" or "She's as ugly as her writing/art/whatever". You can't win because it's not an argument. They don't want to budge because some women made them feel bad once, now they cling to their hobby and try to defend it from the Evil Women Invaders to soothe themselves. It's not like posers and leeches don't exist and believe me, it IS mostly women and I don't like those people either. Similarly, not ever woman is a fantastic writer/artist and criticism is good. Gatekeeping is done for a reason, but I think moving the goal posts around JUST because someone is a chick is kind of telling.
>>155307451>People just show up with more children.happens in real life too sometimes you see a friend you haven't heard from in years and he's married and shit
>>155307361But... you're the retard that made that post and I called you out on it. What?
>>155307489Okay, so why do you have such a hateboner for women being in comics? Actual reasons, actual evidence
>>155307451But how is that different from Fullmetal Alchemist or Demon Slayer or D.Gray-man or Gachiakuta?
i was hoping to find lust provoking images of the few hot female writers/artists in this thread instead it's incel logic posts son i am disappoint
>>155307553>They don't want to budge because some women made them feel bad oncewelcome to comic fandom
>>155307762I've been in the comic fandom my entire life. I grew up going to the LCS with my Dad who was friends with the owner every weekend. My dad even sold his own comic zines there too. I went to my first convention tabling with my dad and his comic store buddy when I was 9.
>>155302515Mary Jo Duffy (usually credited as just "Jo Duffy) was the owner of the hillbilly-est name ever, and one of the staples of Marvel Comics from 1979 until about 1991-ish (arguably the company's best period). She wrote a bunch of Star Wars comics, a successful-at-the-time-but-currently-underrated run on Power Man & Iron Fist, and numerous other odds and ends. After leaving Marvel she wrote the 90s version of Glory for Rob Liefeld's studio at Image. A few years later (as late as the early 2000s) she co-wrote some stuff with Kurt Busiek.
>>155307553Women were never the problem, it was always simpering male feminist allies.
>>155305409Monstress started out good, then got bogged down by sidequests, then fell into utter chaos as it devolved into what's basically a massive faction war. But it had a strong start. That's the problem.>>155305444The Night Eaters. At least that one didn't overstay its welcome.
>>155307597Search the archives if you just want images. We're having a discussion over here, kid.
>>155307841I'd be inclined to agree. The worst comic fans (and creators) I've had the misfortune of knowing were male feminist allies who had the GALL to say I was a misogynist despite the fact I am a woman just for criticizing other women some of the time. I'm not saying there aren't a bunch of posers and shitty writers who are women, but I call those bitches what they are!
>>155307451Men know if women readers want romance they will ship it and make their own headcanon, and that the moment you make a pairing canon you lose people
>>155307574You seem to be lost here
>>155302515I think Meredith Gran is pretty good and decently well known, though it seems like she's drifting more towards game development from comics these days.
>>155307589FMA I already didn't disagree with, demon slayer haven't finished yet but its full of zentetsu simping especially with the sister, one guy has three wives who all have romance scenes together, also there was that milf in the city, also isn't there a literal love hashira? D. Gray man ok. Gachikuta haven't finished but do you not remember the whole unneccessary rape thing with guilty gears dizzy?
>>155307922You mean you lose people who wanted a different pairing or they're only titilated but something they can't have?
I think Sarah Andersen is a better artist than she lets on.
>>155306189Took me a second to recognize that page. Pretty entertaining chapter, I remember
>>155306189Fullmetal alchemist is a manga, not a comic.
>>155307932No, that's you.
>>155308004Are you retarded? Demon Slayer is finished and one guy having three wives is the same as whatshisface mcuseless making a baby before dying with that genjutsu master that can't into genjutsu. I don't even know zentetsu simping because I'm a normal human being but there's more gaybaiting in Naruto yet you're ok with that.
>>155308254>genjutsu master that can't into genjutsuwho? theres a taijutsu master who can't into ninjutsu I guess (though even that)>more gaybaiting in Narutoeither projection or online discourse has truly rotted your brain
>>155307804this sounds really familiar, i think i know who your dad is. won't say his name though out of respectbut i dunno, comic fandom is not one big identical group of people obviously. there was this big group of sweaty male nerds who felt threatened once they realized it wasn't just them
>>155308493I appreciate it, Anon
Because comic books are for men.
>>155308293Ironic to talk about brain rot when you use tard terms like zentetsu simping and expect me to know what the fuck you're talking about. I was talking about those two useless guys that are there with Kakashi and Might Gay when Itachi and Kisame attack.
We've yet to post an obvious one - RAINA TELGEMEIER
>>155309945you could land a plane on that forehead
>>155310018You're proving >>155307553 right
>>155310018and by plane you mean my nut stream
>>155303456>Land of the LustrousSo that's why the ending was so dogshit. Some femcel pondering. lmao
>>155310054Not really, Telgemeier is not good.
>>155310054anon, i’m a womanI am being serious when I say she has the biggest forehead I’ve ever seen someone without a physical deformity haveIt’s seriously big enough to cover up her entire face
>>155302571I don't know about the romance part, but they love "empowerment" messages and overcoming inner doubt
>>155303556>Also, I hate women and wish they'd stay out of my hobbies.Some are ok if they make good shit (Ethel hayes for example)
>>155303456>WHAone of these is not like the others
>alchoholic>bisexual>womanyet she still made some great comics and art
>>155310374Finns are a blessing for the world.
>>155310216There are not woman on the internet.
>>155307553>It's not like posers and leeches don't exist and believe me, it IS mostly women and I don't like those people either. Similarly, not ever woman is a fantastic writer/artist and criticism is good. Gatekeeping is done for a reason, but I think moving the goal posts around JUST because someone is a chick is kind of telling.this
>>155310188It has one of the best endings in the entire medium.>>155310302How so?
>>155310216post tits or GTFO. I remember being surprised when a MLAATR fangirl actually did that in a thread
>>155306913At least she knew that Ice Man was heterosexual.
>>155310406Good morning sir!
Louise SimonsonGail SimoneAnn Nocenti
>>155302515I was actually think of female writers, particular Mary Shelly
>>155310493Unfortunately, after Bendis pulled his crap she claimed that Bobby being in the closet was intentional subtext in that arc.
>>155310573She's a retard of epic proportions.
>>155310445>It has one of the be—EEEEEEEEEHG.
>>155310505It's over.
>>155310611Sorry, but it's so true.
>>155303373How thick is your skull that you can't understand why someone might not be interested in certain stories?
