What's stopping you from making your own cartoon and making money off merchandise?
I'm not epic enough...
>>155307713How hard can it be really? People seem to be doing it more and more. Go on my epic /pol/ sisters. Make your Hyperborea Aryan trad cartoon.
>>155307713All of my technology is old and or barely working (sent from iphone SE 2016)
I gotta go to work
>>155307713I can't animate but I'm finishing up a webnovel that I'm hoping will turn the corner during this final arc
>>155307738>Pic relI think it's insane that this project not only got killed by YouTube with the age restriction, but a fuck ton of people crawled out to shit on it under the guise of wokeness. The former doesn't surprise me because "oh no, nude breasts! Must censor it!" But the latter negativity is surprising given how hyped it was
>>155307776Protip: the people who make their first cartoons ALSO gotta go to work.
>>155307713Lack of time.Between work, studies and myself I don't seem to have enough time to practice drawing or writing.
>>155307947Non it's pornYoutube is not a porn site
>>155308112>Topless woman existing = literal pornOk Puritan
>>155307947Oh? I've just been seeing people gush over it. Especially on youtube, comment sections of NotSoAverageFangirl and WeelassReacts.And on twitter.
>>155307713Audrey is pretty fun. My college classmates watch it.
>>155307947I WANT TITTIES IN MY ADULT CARTOONS. I WANT BOUNCY TITTIES, PERKY TITTIES, ASSES. I WANT COCK AND BALLS TOO. FUCK CENSORSHIP AND FUCK 'WOKE' ON LEFT AND RIGHT.
>>155307738Actually can someone give me a rundown on this thing? Seen this anon post that exact image too many times and i don't know if this is just gore fetish bullcrap or a edgy women's romance story.
>>155307713I feel like this was posted as a stealth controversy thread.What happened?
>>155308316Humans eat Sirens, delicacy apparently. Like uber rich people food.Human girl falls for Siren, can't do it. Rescues her from family restaurant. Fall in love.
>>155308157Twitter is usually where most bullshit drama starts that I've seen a few videos calling out the complaints. It boils down to people feeling like the story was mid, not Filipino enough, a rip off of other shit, the accents being bad, etc. I agree with some of the complaints but the rest reeks of "I wish I could pull off a project". Some of the artists shitting on it had the skills of a toddler. >>155308316It's neither. You think you're getting a gothic angst story about a chef and a fish woman but got bait and switched into watching another Asian story about "I have familial expectations! My parents put too much pressure on me!". Did not feel like it explored the lesbian drama enough, which is what most people tuned in for
>>155308329Sorry, i'm on an new computer at the moment and forgot to put on my trip.
>>155308375So how is it doing it terms of reception and viewership?Has anyone accused them of queer baiting yet?
I'm not a good artist and have no ideas
>>155308196Honestly with how 4chan has been nowadays i can't tell if this is satire but i am going to be generous and assume that it is.
>>155308375>LesbianWhy is it always lesbo shit? Where did this cult like obsession came from?
>>155308499because boobs are goodand 2 boob + 2 boob = 4 boobyou idiot
>>155307713JewTube is literally a No Fun Allowed place for lewds.
>>155307713>What's stopping you from making your own cartoon Nothing. Im working on it>and making money off merchandise?I'm anti tranny
>>155307761All the greatest cartoons of all time were made without computers
>>155308499There's :) lesbiansAnd there's >:( lesbiansSometimes lesbos are for men to look at to see boobs and kissing without any ugly looking men in the mixOther times lesbos are about telling an allegory about hating men.
>>155307713Barely have any time to draw one frame
>>155308441The age restriction got lifted today so it barely reaches 1 million after 5 days. Considering the attention economy and that the story was not too mind-blowing, it genuinely could have kneecapped it hard had those first few crucial days weren't restricted. >>155308499I have theories. I find Yuri stans to be overcompensating on many fronts. Yaoi is a million times more popular by so many metrics online and it makes sense because fandom culture is straight woman dominated. The people that go on and on about Yuri are usually queer women who will never see those heights. There's also this element of making yaoi could be seen as fetishizing gay men but fetishizing another woman is more PC. Some artists mainly draw women and don't like to veer into drawing men too often. When you take that approach of only drawing 1 gender, the way you draw the other gender can look off. Or you can reduce it to a cynical "lesbians sell better/more palatable"
>>155308139No one is falling for your obtuse bullshit
>>155307713Lack of skill and connections
>>155307713Hagen's stuff is lowest denominator coomer slop.
>>155307738/pol/ hasn't and never did draw, they just shill AI because it's never been about art. Just about tearing down people on the other side of the culture war fence, just like mossad likes it.
>>155307713>Formal training in scriptwriting, illustration, and storyboarding>External financial support to produce content at a steady pace>Marketing and advertisement connections to get an audience>Access to factories and pre-existing distribution networks
>>155307713Nothing is stopping me, I'm making my own thing right now despite juggling a lot of shit>ITT excuses Good, less competition for me
>>155308565That's literally pornography isn't it?
>>155308316Monster fucking kino
>>155309179According to >>155308375 that's a big fat lie.
>>155308514>>155308606Lesbianism is only hot if you're an underage retard. Anyone who's dealt with real lesbians realizes it's just mental illness, and abuse at other times. I still will never understand why so many gooners love lesbians, as though they self-insert themselves as this giga-chad or diamond in the rough good goy which then turns them straight only for him. I've known a few lesbians, it usually ends fucking horribly. I legit have known lesbian butches/dykes get catfished/cucked/betrayed by the very foids they were dating later down the line because they were only temporary lesbians (strategically bisexual) waiting inbetween for finding another man. I shit you not.
>>155307713being shit at everything mostly
>>155309283I don't like lesbians myself but this can be said more politey.
>>155307738>>155308745Rent free
>>155307713Skill, time, procrastination and my projects not pandering to a wide enough audience to make any financial gains really meaningful. Look at what's popular, Hazbin, TADC, Murder Drones, etc. It's all foid and gooner coded.
>>155307713Based on the contents of the thread so far I'm going to assume that this was some kind of bait thread, but I figure I may as well ask: what is the actual pipeline for getting merchandise made of your own creations? I remember people got really bent out of shape over GLITCH selling merch but all I could think about is that it feels like said merch just kind of spawns out of thin air and I don't know how the actual logistics/economics behind production and advertising works.
>>155308621>Yaoi is a million times more popular by so many metrics online and it makes sense because fandom culture is straight woman dominated. That there is a problem, women hate this fact. Just look at the AO3 stats every year. They loathe that M/M is always on top.
>>155309361>ignore your lying eyes>those posters you see attacking everything you enjoy as woke sloppa? not real. You're hallucinating them.Eat shit and die
>>155308745Because anyone with half a braincell would admit they were a draw-fag and from /pol/. Which is ironic, since in the furry and nsfw community, they are fuckin racist and sexist as hell behind closed doors, but forward facing, extremely progressive.
>>155309380>what is the actual pipeline for getting merchandise made of your own creations?Contacting a company, giving them the model and money for the merch, and then selling it through an online storeSome crowdfund the merch
>>155308375Aye
>>155309380>>155309453Or just copying what works for everyone else.
>>155309470So just making plushes?
>>155308481Its not. I am 100% dead serious. Fuck puritans left right and center. Fuck censorship.
>>155309476Shit people can afford, you can buy and sell en'mass for a marked up price.Plushies, stickers, signed posters, illustrations, etc.
>>155307713>tfw sitting on a big titty slice of life webcomic I've been doing for fun but will never publish
>>155309480The whole past decade has been a fight against censorship and speech policing, guess who does both.>*cough* the ones who will kill you for wrong think *cough-cough* Kirk *cough cough*
>>155309480Well aren't ya trying to censor their right to express disgust with NSFW?>>155309517Kirk wasn't even a real Christian, he's what Jesus Himself would call a goat and there's no chance he'd make it to God's Kingdom.
>>155307713>What's stopping you from making your own cartoonI want it to be 3D so it takes a long time to make all the necessary assets, and I am not sure if I even should.>and making money off merchandise?I don't want money.
>>155309498What does it have going for it?
>>155309553>Kirk wasn't even a real Christian, he's what Jesus Himself would call a goat and there's no chance he'd make it to God's Kingdom.Got killed for debating voluntary college students, worse than Hitler I would say, worse than Satan I would even say, wouldn't you say?
>>155308584Beauty and the beast? Atla? Lilo and stitch? All get cocksucked by /co/ and all were made with a computer
>>155308745/pol/ hereI draw and I'm minorly prolific
>>155309283sounds like you need therapy
>>155309595Don't twist the situation, i never said such a thing (Not to mention that there might not actually be a "satan" as an individual.) but that doesn't make anyone else's bad actions any less bad.
>>155309283Yeah we have to seperate two concepts entirelyOne is women having relationships with other women, and this is awful. It leads only to bad places and is very off-putting as soon as you take it seriously.The other entirely seperate conceptWatching two hot women make out and eat each other's boxes. This is great and it can hardly be fucked up as long as you avoid introducing the first concept.
>>155309283>as though they self-insert themselves as this giga-chad or diamond in the rough good goy which then turns them straight only for him.no dudei'm just looking at 4 boobit's that shrimple
>>155309336It NEEDS to be said harshly because politeness is being interpreted as a pack of severity. The problem is bad. It needs to be said how bad the problem is.
>>155309622Not only do ya not have to be so crude about it but that one guy isn't the entirety of /co/.
>>155309416Fr why gaslight people like you?All I have to do is honestly describe the narrative of w/e thing back to you and the thing is ruined. It's the truth and reality that feels like poison in your ears. Lying to you is a backwards step.
>>155309453You're talking a 5-6 figure fee if they have to design the thing for you.If you aren't there to pay their design fee, expect them to just hang up on you.
>>155309579I'm not an amazing artist but my dialogue is way better than the shit you see in most webcomics, especially fetish stuff.
>>155309663No offence but look at the response your post is getting and see how it's backfiring.The only ones who see politeness as such a thing are those who start fights, not solve debates.
>>155307713I'm just one guy, can one guy make a cartoon now without it being AI slop?
>>155309416>ignore your lying eyesNo one was talking about /pol/ or politics; you're the only one who started it.>those posters you see attacking everything you enjoy as woke sloppa? not real. You're hallucinating them.No one said that.
>>155309695Can i read an example of this then please?
It's always the same fucking internet phenotype of silly chungus retard whose idea of politics is puerile us vs. them waffle babble
>>155309622Of you choose to be obtuse you'll succeed in your goal.The reality is that the old methodology for animation is still valid and has been made easier, by computers, by an unironic million times. That means 1 person can put in 1% the effort and replicate the output of a 10,000 man studio.You draw pictures and then put them in order. Computers from the early 2000s can be whole animation studios in a box. Pencil2d is free. Adobe flash is still out there and still works.Everyone posting itt has the tools to rival Disney circa 1977 literally within arm's reach.
>>155309715Nah, not showing any of it off anytime soon, if ever
>>155309701You're wrong.
>>155307713
>>155307738>How hard can it be really?t. Person who has never made anything besides tweets
>>155309755Then explain the responses you're post is getting.
>>155309776True
>>155308565>antojar is a search term
>>155307713because somewhere along the line, I'll get exposed by retarded bluesky/xitter/tiktok children for an absolutely stupid reason. indie animation attracts zoomers that want your skull on a platter.
>>155307738I watched this in a vacuum and was so baffled as to why people would hate this outside /co/. I mean I am not a Yuri fag but this was well animated.
>>155307713Im way too fucking lazy to work on it. My webcomic was supposed to be released 2 years ago, and all I have done is the prologue
>>155307947>but a fuck ton of people crawled out to shit on it under the guise of wokenessBased on the subsequent replies, this is baseless, and it is a handful of people on Twitter where your automatically curated feed that selects for ragebait, not reflected in the comments on the videos.Pretending that sort of sample is indicative of public reception is in my opinion a key driver in what killed western animation.
>>155309835>I'll get exposed by retarded bluesky/xitter/tiktok children for an absolutely stupid reasonThis is why you stay anonymous, use a pseudonym, and never interact with the audience aside from liking comments and the such. No parasocial anything.
I'm in the middle of growing my audience to get there.
>>155309776Better to just bitch about woke and queers then. Demand to be cater too.
>>155309886What's your work?
>>155309517Oh you christfags aren't getting off the hook either. Read it again. I hate puritans left and right. You fuckers are the original woke.
>>155309739>That means 1 person can put in 1% the effort and replicate the output of a 10,000 man studio.This isn't true unless you're pumping out AI slop.Modern studios have access to the same amount of technology as the everyman, and then some. The standards for animation have changed to expect a full production, even for free material, and actually creating something that'll return on investment is either going to take a lot of time, time that working adults don't have, external manpower, which defeats your argument, or a very dedicated niche of an audience with no standards, which is just a fancy of way of saying "fetish porn."If it were easy, literally everyone would do it.>>155309553>Someone points out a man was murdered>You: "WeLl hE wAsNt a rEaL cHrIstIan!"You're a horrible piece of shit, Jake, you know that? You bludgeon this board with your biblethumping, then try to downplay and excuse a senseless murder? (You) are not a real Christian, faggot, because someone who follows Jesus's teachings wouldn't brag about such callous blasphemy posing as judgmental arrogance.
>>155309904No
>>155309904Swap "woke and queers" with "The Patriarchy™" and that deflection goes both ways.
>>155307713Laziness and indifference.
>>155309924At least they don't support political assassinations like the leftists do.
>>155309793Namefag, the only one who's giving him backlash is you. What he's saying is correct, sugarcoating an issue doesn't make people realize the severity of it and this isn't an straight type issue. Because people see it under the curtain of porn and it's fine.
>>155307738Fanart of the brown girl?
>>155309793I can't. Telling you why you're wrong would be rude.
>>155309924Never said I was Christ-fag, only pointed out a Christ-fag got assassinated for pretty benign wrong-think and wrong-speech at a completely voluntary debate.>I hate puritans left and right. You fuckers are the original woke.>Fake fence sitter who takes a sideLol, lmao even. Wokies openly want anyone who questions them maimed, dead and put into re-education camps. Hell, they've kept their promises of saying they'll do it, and they did it, repeatedly. >Buh buh buh the Christ-fags are the ORIGINAL wokeNot even close. And Christ-fags are so irrelevant, defanged and buck broken that they're not even a shadow of their former selves when they do shit like gay marriages and gay churches. Islamists take that position instead, of religious jihadism and violence, but they get ignored because of wokism, kek.
>>155309932>This isn't true unless you're pumping out AI slop.Just go watch an old "how are cartoons made" documentary. Disney made tons of them. Every step of a legit animation pipeline is made trivially easy by computers. By using the most bare bones software.>it were easy, literally everyone would do it.We were all doing it and people got demoralized due to censorship and getting toppled by corporate actors.>everyoneMost people are idiots and won't do anything even if it's easy. They want to complain and be a consumer. Most of the people who actually will get off their asses are interested in one of the million things other than animation there is to be interested in.
>>155309835>>155309874I feel that happens because people are not true to themselves, Oney literally gets a pass from saying racial slurs on his videos because he doesn't hide it. But the moment they find something about Toby fox, it's gonna be blown up to him getting the axe due to him hiding it.
>>155307713I don't have enough socials with a high view count in order to green eggs n spam my cartoon attempt and try to make a kickstarter.It's all about the algorithm and the money.
>>155310111>Every step of a legit animation pipeline is made trivially easy by computers. By using the most bare bones software.Meh, it's still a pain in the ass to animate, and even then, it's a time consuming process that doesn't guarantee a good pay off unless you know how to strategically cut corners to save time and frames and then heavily pander to an audience, niche or demographic. Maybe when AI inbtween software comes out, it would help, but it's still a long detail oriented and timing/spacing process.>We were all doing it and people got demoralized due to censorship and getting toppled by corporate actors.Wasn't it too that YT demonized specifically animators and animation and made it infinitely harder to make a living off of it with how their newer monetization methods work now? This all went down a few years ago with the Ad-Apocalypse event? That really shuffled up the meta of algorithm chasing. Then there's the fact YT does shadow banning, shadow throttling, and plays with their own favorites and pariahs.
>>155310221>Maybe when AI inbtween software comes outIt has. Anime studios are using it now.
>>155310237>Anime studios are using it now.So does Disney.
>>155310237I only heard Disney was experimenting with it and then got backlash for it. But I don't understand why Disney is doing it, since they're kind of the (degrading) gold-standard for animation.>>155310237>>155310262What software are they even using??? Unless they're just plugging in finished still key frames into normal AI video software and running that.
>>155310111>Just go watch an old "how are cartoons made" documentary.Why don't you go out and pic up a damn pencil, faggot? And inkblot cartoons still take a shitload of time. Disney, a fucking savant, had to make it a full time job. That's what you're really asking, you dumb fuck: "Why don't people quit working to pursue a field that's been gutted and just hope to make money off of it!"You type like someone who, if I told you to make a traditional cartoon right now, would immediately reach for the printer paper.>By using the most bare bones softwareThen do it. Go make a cartoon right now without any AI slop. Have a good, watchable cartoon that can sell a plushie before this thread dies. Because for how often some of you dumb fucks yap this, you never show that you've put any thought into it beyond armchair bullshitting.Fuck, go on any of the /hyw/ threads when they're up. See how few people are contributing works there, and lurk for a few months to see how many of them dream that their barely-viewed strips get picked up for a show.Or if making a comic is too much work for you, open up a deviantart account, and see how long it takes you to get to 100 watchers.>We were all doing itEven SSS Warrior Cat was a multi-person project.Fuck off faggot. You haven't made anything, othewise you wouldn't be bullshitting this hard.>and people got demoralized due to censorshipNo, people realized that it takes time and gets practically nothing in return. We're in a post-Hazbin world; censorship is no longer a valid roadblock when there will be someone that can host the cartoon if it's good enough.>Most people are idiots and won't do anything even if it's easy. They want to complain and be a consumer.Yourself included, dipshit.
>>155310221>Meh, it's still a pain in the ass to animateBehold! The excuse!
>>155310329I actually DO animate digitally.
>>155310386No you don't. Until I see proof otherwise, you strike me as the kind of guy who thinks "tweening a cartoon" means rewriting it for middle schoolers.
>>155307713Is this what all the AI lovers were supposed to do?
>>155309906>What's your work?https://files.catbox.moe/9iklg7.webm
>overcompensating>get told to make our own shit instead ruining existing shit>make our own shit>MMMMMM YOU'RE OVER COMPENSATING!???????????????????????????????
>>155307738I was actually quite fond of this, the synopsis feels like those weird, pulp romances you find on amazon(sushi chef x fish basically, its like making a butcher fall in love with a cow), but its very well animated and has nice imagery.
>>155308329We were confronted with the prospect of actually creating something worthwhile and immediately distracted ourselves with culture war shit.
>>155310995>We were confronted with the prospect of actually creating something worthwhileOkay, then lets get back on track with it then. Is it worthwhile to make cartoons on YT, and if so, should one cater their work towards tried and true demographics and audiences, or be wholly authentic to their vision and creations despite not garnering a larger audience?
>>155307713>muh big honking titty ocoverdone
>>155310329You seem upset
>>155311209>big breast>tiny waistThat's not "chubby". That's busty
>>155311114>Is it worthwhile to make cartoons on YTI don't know where else one would publish them, aside from on Twitter maybe? Chikn Nugget gets pretty good numbers there, but it's short form content after all. Maybe that's the trick: make short, easily digestible animations and try to build an audience on YT shorts and other social media platforms. >should one cater their work towards tried and true demographics and audiences, or be wholly authentic to their vision and creations despite not garnering a larger audience?I think you should be authentic, if only because it'll be obvious if you're faking. Honestly, I think it's better to have a small but tight knit following than a lot of subscribers who only half care about what you make. Tamers is a good example of this.
