lmfao, they're really doing this
>>155391355Why can't do they it? DC killed Alfred off during Tom King's run, and it's still in effect. Why can't Marvel do the same?
>>155391355Spiderfags are the architects of their own suffering. All they have to do is stop buying the book yet they can’t.
>>155391355hopefully they indefinately shelve her and say "well shes at a home now w/ her alzheimers" and they can reverse it if they ever care enough to but we get a good decade of her being gone from stories
>>155391450>thinking this'll last a decade
>>155391355DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD THE WITCH IS DEAD!SHE SHOULD HAVE DIED 30 YEARS AGO, FUCK HOWARD MACKIE!BASED MCU SYNERGY FOR THE WIN
>>155391462the writers are already too scared to change the status quo even if the previous writer might've set up the new status quo (amnesiatic in a home may) to be easily reversable. That's the hope i have
>>155391355>evil secret cousin and amnesia plot and May is on her death bedThis is it.This is past Shark jumping.This is a monument to all of ASM's sins.
>>155391355Why isn't he calling her Aunt?
>>155391420It's entirely their fault, the editorial has made their stance clear and these idiots keep eating the slop thinking they will change on their own.Divorce yourself, put a distinct mark on #500 being the last of Spider-Man and consider the rest fanfiction for an era we all want to see end.
>>155391473The coloring makes it seem like it's Cormac even though he's on the opposite side
>>155391420>>155391482lol only collectors and speculators are buying. Everyone else is pirating. Are you guys mental?
Ooooooo boi.Headlining the covers.Goddamn Porn Gatcha has more shame than this.
>>155391450Who is left? She's the only connection Peter has to his romcom roots left.The rest has been totally subsumed to the mask. No career. No hobbies. No relationships beyond a fuckbuddy alien at home.Very relatable, bravo Lowe.
>>155391544It's time for Peter to enter his edgelord harem king arc
>>155391578We won't get that until Disney sells the publishing rights to China.I want that. I unironically want the Asian countries to be handling the comic books. The Bullpen needs a purge and a firehose afterwards.
>>155391514>It's got over 3 dozen covers to choose fromHow the fuck is this a good thing.
>the amnesia plot is realGuess I’ll just read the JMD backup, skip the rest and drop ASM early. I don’t know if it’s even worth finishing Queen in Black.
>>155391653Because they really need the collectors to boost a comics plot that would make a parody blush.
>>155391655It's not, Ewings apathy reeks from the page.
>>155391514Fuck this nigga man
These are the type of plots we JOKE about.
>>155391355>Amnesia plotJust ice her already and move on. She's been made one of the symptoms of Peter's stagnation and has outlived her narrative usefulness
>>155391355They outperform themselves all the damn time kek.I hope the "gotta have my spider-man" sentiment eventually runs out, and that the entire line get sunk in one go.
>>155391355Naturally there will be all kinds of names Peter can call up to, to verify his identity to Aunt May.Right?Its not as if she has forgotten everyone but her supersuspicious son?
>>155391355So, is Aunt May dying again?
>>155392065Its all contrived, anon. They've made MJ into an hollywood actress back then to "mismatch" her with Peter.
>>155391514Why does JMD keep getting paired with shitty artists?
>>155392103They know he does a KLH if he gets a good one and they really don't want the marriagefags greatest torch-bearer blowing them out again.
>>155392057>gotta have my spider-manIt's collectorfags and grey-hairs dying off. It's a generational thing.Nobody young is buying this, unlike Absolute. That's the thing killing Marvel, they have a character assassinated for the youth, who is then written by guys around sixty.The youth does not give a fuck about a characters age, they care if they are cool, relatable or intriguing. Nothing about this mess is any of those.
>>155392016There would be no need to kill her if Peter just TOLD her.There is not a single fucking in-universe reason Peter has not told her. He has before. He has memories of doing so before. He knows she can handle it and you can suddenly USE Aunt May as a character.The old bitty act was done multiple decades ago, and they like everything else claw back useless artifacts like Peter late for dates. Shit the original creators grew tired and bored of, and MOVED ON from.
>>155391355Can't believe people are buying this slop still. If you want change then you have to show it by forgetting about Spider-Man and moving on. Only then will the egotistical editorial and writers nobody likes their shit and hopefully marvel would get rid of them for good.
>>155391514>But to those of you with open eyes and open hearts, I'm telling you, you're in for a GOOD time.
>>155391420BuT i GoTtA hAvE mY SpIdEr-MaN!
>>155392177>just turn your brain off, just like I'm turning the comments off I'm so confident!He knows they are selling coal.
>>155392119>Superman, Batman and Flash are either married or with children, if not both.>Mogs Marvel in every way.The OMD team must be fuming.
>>155392192>Superman/Lois marriage 50th anniversary coming>going to make sales just for not being retarded with the load bearing wallsHow's that blinking looking now Brevoort?
>>155392206I remember how he said something like "Absolute had Martha live! She should be alive in the main cont!!!" like he had a gotcha.The main different between Abs Bat and Spider-man is that one actually tries while the other is just riding the IP's popularity.
>May assures Peter that she still loves him like a son right before losing all her memories of himKelly must have felt like a fucking genius when he came up with that.
>>155392223One is also trying something new, and the other keeps to the spirit of the character. Often the mainline stumbles and can meander for years, but you'll never see Batman making a deal with the devil to bring Alfred back.
>>155392251>and the other keeps to the spirit of the characterMeh. More like what they think is the spirit of the character.
>>155392227I have predicted every plot beat for beat since the return to Earth.This isn't an accomplishment, this is just having the basic media awareness of a five year old.
>>155391653Slott is a slop consumer
>>155392259Oh they are well fucking off the spirit of the character of Spider-Man for decades now anon, I was talking about mainline Batman.This crowd thinks Spider-Man is a story about youth, not responsibility.
This nigga basically has no one except MJ (kek) and Cormac (who's totally not the villain) in his life now, where does he even go from here?
>>155392279It was funny reading this. And then I read the Silver Age comics and Peter barely hangs out in high school kek.
>but in general, Spider-man should not deal too often with villains from space and magic.L.M.F.A.O
>>155392284Just bring Peter to complete despair by removing everyone and then start his ascension ending with him beating the devil.
>>155392292The highschool era is blink and you miss it, when you read opinions and op-eds of BND veterans, so many of them are mythologizing something that didn't really happen.Ditko was in a rush to get this deadbeat a job and independence.
>>155392304Tbh, they didn't think the story would go on forever.But the Daily Bugle felt more relevant to Peter than High School.
>>155392299Double dubs gives a good plot but we all know that's not what's going to happen.We're in a second swing from a Wells run start where we blow everything up, and then don't put everything back together before you give it to the next guy - who blows everything up.Lowe does not understand the purpose of restraint as an editor, which is to tard-wrangle writers who have to be constantly asked "and what about next week?" Else it leads you to now, where most of our cast for our relatable everyman are aliens.
>>155392310There's a lot more to do with the Daily Bugle than goddamn High School. There's a reason Capes tend to be journalists, photographers or crime investigators.Get them on the scene for the plot to happen, or to chase up on the plot.
>>155391355she'll try to kiss Mack thinking he's Ben?
>>155392330Nah, this is the part where Mack has been her son ALL ALONG.Bravo Lowe.
>>155392312True, producing a good story with the current talent at the helm is impossible. These guys just sabotage shit it's like they enjoy getting people mad. Really all this comic is now rage bait to get you to talk about it.
>>155392346>These guys just sabotage shit it's like they enjoy getting people mad.They think it sells. And then they get humiliated by Absolute.
>>155392356Yeah DC destroying marvel is good because now they can't pin all their woes on manga. I hope it forces marvel to get out of this rut but part of me has lost faith after so many years of disappointment.
>>155392346>Really all this comic is now rage bait to get you to talk about it.If talking equaled sales, Morbius would have been a monster hit.The Spoffice doesn't quite understand the digital age, something must be loved for it to grow and make sales from its audience. They are rageb8ing a shrinking aging demographic and torching their reputation with the young folk they wish to court.Young guys don't spend a cent unless they love or need something. They can get their entertainment for free by very easy means, they know your every plot beat for free, the choice is theirs whether it's worth supporting their local LCS.
https://www.thepopverse.com/comics-amazing-spider-man-ending-planned-joe-kellyDo you think they’ll drag this out until the final issue of the run so they can have a “happy” ending where she miraculously regains her memories?
>>155392438>undoing strokes and dementia which are very real things for the audience to deal with because status quo is godOh that's nice Kelly. Very tasteful Lowe.
>>155392103Because the new writers and editors realize that they can’t let an actual good writer get a chance to have a book look good.
>>155391655What was the rumor plot with amnesia?
>>155391501They're projecting Mileshills. Pic related was the August sales.
>>155391653If they do 3 dozen covers, they can sell to collectors/speculators who only buy for the cover and blame it on alleged "readers" still buying Spider-Man as you're seeing in this threadDid you see all of them listed here?https://leagueofcomicgeeks.com/comic/3313068/the-amazing-spider-man-1000
>>155392284He’s got an alien gf and alien roommmates
>>155392688>Pepe Larraz cover>Alex Ross variant>Ed McGuinness foil variant>Frank Miller and Peach Momoko variant>Humberto Ramos variant>J. Scott Campbell variant>Two JRJR variants because Lowe fucked up the decision-making with one>1967 cartoon Meme screenshot variant>Mark Bagley variant>Muppets variant by Paco Medina>Patrick Gleason variant>Ditko variant>Marvel Tokon: Fighting Souls variant>Marcos Martin variant>Lee Bermejo variantand lots moreAnd the incentive variants:1:25 Erik Larsen variant1:50 b&w Ditko variant1:100 Lee Bermejo virgin variant1:200 J. Scott Campbell virgin variant
>>155392593>Ben 10 above ASM #35I've never heard from this series since the second issue storytime.
>>155392371Maybe by this time next year when Marvel is moved to the west coast?Maybe we’ll have new fresh editors?
>>155392735How healthy.Anyone remember the last time comics were wholly reliant on speculators and collectors?
>>155392811It's the beginning of the miserable end for BND, but don't get your hopes up.Brevoort is out until he says otherwise. Shogun is gone. White, Slott, Wells, Kelly all these BND guys are around sixty and have utterly lost touch. They do not enjoy good relations with the audience.The hold out is Lowe, he is in his mid-forties making him a major outlier - and yet he is also the longest serving ASM editor at 12 fucking years. Now mishandling and making a laughing stock of #1000, which looks to still be outsold by Batman.Their decision to put all their eggs onto an unpopular decision cast themselves as the villains, and they may live to see their greatest sacred cow slaughtered to the celebration of all.That said, I wouldn't say there has been a total overhaul until mid 2035 because I'm pessimistic. It's entirely possible we have major changes before then, but this is a deep generational rot we are removing, and Collectors keep the cancer from being treated.
>>155391514Why does this fag even visit CBR if he can't take the fans
>>155393022I mean half of them fellate him on sight anyway, and the other just learn not to reply lest they get Stasied.
>>155393079>I mean half of them fellate him on sight anywayYou mean his alts?
>>155393266Some.It's kind of hilarious we have a major comic writer who has a history of using alts.
If DC can kill Alfred and keep him dead for 6 years what is stopping marvel from killing Aunt May? She has provided nothing for decades.
>>155393480Hacks.The same hacks that have been in charge for two approaching three decades.They are religiously devoted to a hyper-specific evergreen that never actually existed.And Aunt May could on a dime provide something, tell her just as Peter should have done decades ago as he knows she can handle it. Give her agency and something to do again.Only they don't, because in their evergreen. They don't even provide in-universe justification for it, Peter should know Aunt May will handle this information, he just doesn't share it. And Aunt May is forever a clueless old biddy, making whoopie so she can tell her nephew about it. Because Kelly thinks it's important we know Aunt May is the most sexually active in the entire cast.And I'll be honest about Alfred, they cheat a lot by having Bruce talk to this imaginary friend version of him which has never not looked ridiculous to me past the grieving stage, so they are having their cake and eating it a little. But they are still sticking to it so props.
>>155391355What happened in Superman #1000 and Batman #1000?
>>155392438Probably, yeah. The only thing that the editorial won't undo is OMD and Gwen's death, everything else is free game at this point.
>>155391355I don't know why any of you freaks still read this. Is it just to shitpost?
>>155393763Yes.It's the same reason people watch The Room together.Shitposting with /co/ during the #1000 will be a grand time.
>>155393792Most of you fags can't even shitpost right, it's just the two schizos having a back and forth
>>155393897I shitpost enough for three schizos worth
>>155392279So they got rid of marriage because it was limiting thier ability to tell good stories, then create a litany of guidelines.
>>155393897>>155393953Hey man, you're shitposting it all wrong. Let me show you HOW!!! IT'S!!!! DONE!!!!!
>>155393995Their reasoning for getting rid of the marriage falls to absolute pieces under the slightest scrutiny.And to compare to where we are, it's clear that the marriage was one of the human bonds keeping the ongoing tethered to something. We are in active free-fall from two writers who consecutively blow up everything in Peter's life because there is no barrier to doing that, which means it ceases to have weight or impact.
>>155392103I actually don't hate Humberto Ramos, but I sincerely doubt he is the right artist for a JMD story. It's such a bizarre pairing.
>>155391514The only reason 1000 is shipping 400k is for the variants. I bet the actual sales will be abysmal, but they'll survive by selling the variants for hundreds of dollars to mindbroken collectors.
>>155394134Imagine this comic being published without the covers nor name recognition, having to be assessed on its own merits.
>>155392346It's purely an editorial problem. Writers are supposed to come up with ideas and most ideas are bad. The editor is supposed to veto bad ideas and/or help make them better. We know from Slott that Lowe was approving shitty stories that Wacker rejected because they were shit. Either Lowe doesn't understand what makes a good story or he just blindly approves everything. I'd bet on the latter, though, since Spencer got to the precipice of undoing OMD before they rewrote the end of his run.
>>155391355thousandth issue of their flagship title and marvel are so fucking incompetent that the colorist fucked up in the fourth panel and editorial didn't catch that peter gets swapped with the guy on the left
so spider-man is truly just a soap opera nowanybody who still buys marvel books should be soaked in acid and flogged
>>155394283Lowe openly revels and talks it up in the letters about it being a Soap Opera.Only ASM for a long time was more than that Lowe, it was first a Romcom see-saw with a Superhero comic, and Soap Opera got to elevate the drama at key moments.And just because something is a Soap doesn't mean you can rely on the bottomest barrel melodrama joke plots all in one issue. There are good and bad soaps. There is drama and there is melodrama.
>>155392251>you'll never see Batman making a deal with the devil to bring Alfred backHe literally has Lazarus Pit access which he's used more than once, Bruce was honoring Alfred's wishes not to be revived Neron's voicemail is empty
>>155392318>Clark>Barry>Peter>ReneeI'm sure the golden age had a metric shit-ton of journos but I'm struggling to think of any modern ones, help a senile old fuck out
>>155393549>And I'll be honest about Alfred, they cheat a lot by having Bruce talk to this imaginary friend version of him which has never not looked ridiculous to me past the grieving stage, so they are having their cake and eating it a little. But they are still sticking to it so props.You're not wrong. Since Miller he's been Bruce's sounding board/Greek chorus and King needed to explain who'd take over that role before getting the Bane killing approved.
>>155394460>and talks it up in the letters about it being a Soap OperaA genre that's been dead in the West for a decade, and I say this as a former avid soap watcher.
>>155392223He probably pitched Midnight as the competitor to Absolute based on the characters' looks alone and never read their new plots
>>155394460they are not even doing to soap opera correctly. Mary Jane and Peter would have had an affair while she was with Paul. they would have fucked after ravencroft and then inside the arachniote.
>>155393480Because they know they gave her the best possible send-off you could have given her way back in the Clone Saga, followed by the rug-pull that that was an actress, followed by Peter Parker selling his marriage to The Devil instead of following the "Great Responsibility" part of his whole ethos.It's now been established that Spider-Man will make deals with the actual devil to keep May alive; there's no way you can no write a story under the OMD Mandate where he's ever willing to let her pass away. He is now a character who would gladly kill his new-found cousin of his alien fuckbuddy if it mean bringing her back.
>>155392593Yeah it's issue one those normally get a high boost it will drop on sales after two or three issues
>>155394937The technarch is going to sacrifice himself to fix May's brain and then Hellgate is going to kill Raelith.Symbie is going to bond with Jeff the Landshark and they will have space adventures with Gwenpool and Kate Bishop.
>>155391514Fuck me, Americans saying "banger" is the worst.
>>155395030I fucking hate that that's EXACTLY the bullshit the modern Spider-Office would pull.
Bump
>>155391514Why, that's funny, there's a ritual poster here who says exactly that cope of "you just want to hate things". Surely Daniel Slottotamus doesn't post on /co/. Surely.
>>155396728How many industry people are regular posters here? I wonder if it's also a problem in /v/ and /tv/. Anthony Burch and Jonah Hill derailing hate threads about them sounds funny
>>155391473They've been doing this for a whole now and I don't know if it's a millennial thing or what but it's annoying as shit
>>155394653You'd think given the modern era they're be more investigative bloggers.
>>155391473>>155397059He hasn’t done it in a while, MCU synergy.
>>155396945I don't know about regular, but there have been a handful who have posted on /co/. Steve Lieber showed up when he heard Underground was being storytimed and then posted in the Superior Foes of Spider-Man threads for a few months until some faggots scared him off. I think a few Adventure Time staff posted as well. Also the Clarissa artist has posted.I'm sure a lot have at least lurked, but no major drama that I can recall, other than Slott more than likely shitposting in his own defense. Not confirmed, but I know it's true.
>>155392593>Queen in Black #1 Blind Bag $14.99I'm sorry what in the actual fuck
>>155391420lol, nobody buys this trash
>>155393549>And I'll be honest about Alfred, they cheat a lot by having Bruce talk to this imaginary friend version of him which has never not looked ridiculous to me past the grieving stageI know it's beside the point, but it's not really that farfetched. The whole "5 stages of grief" don't have to happen in order, or have a set ending. Also Bruce hasn't gone to Apokolips or elsewhere off world to revive Alfred yet, so talking to his tulpa is downright healthy in comparison.
>>155396945I don't know how many are regulars, but there's been a lot that've gone here.
>>155391420The sales never recovered from OMD
>>155392279God, Brevoort's Spidey is awful. Misery porn.
>>155398960The maddening thing about it is that Alfred could literally be his literal ghost, a semi-sentient hologram either he or Bruce set up just in case, OR a genuine tulpa, and they'd all track.
>>155392070No that might actually allow things to move forward
>>155392070learn to rread moron she is okay but has memory loss.
>>155391355Well this saves eveyone a ton money since we know may is not going to die quite frankely fuck the book.
>>155392593>>BOOKS ARE TANKING, OFFER HOT WRITER A #1. SPECULATION AWAAAAYYYYY
>>155394653What about Jack Ryder, and who is Renee?
>>155399240She's such an anchor weighing him down. He should have been allowed to grow up.
Joe Kelly has an ending planned for Amazing Spider-Man, but hopes it’s years awayJoe Kelly has written a lot of your favorite superheroes, and a lot of his. As he tells us, Spider-Man is his "all time" favorite, and he feels privileged to have written him as many times as he has in TV and comics, including what is essentially the pinnacle as the writer of Marvel Comics' Amazing Spider-Man series since April 2025. But here now in the shadow of the milestone Amazing Spider-Man #1000 releasing later this month, we asked him a frank question: where does he see his run ending?"Partly, the answer is as long as they'll have me," Kelly tells Popverse. "Other than my own characters, he is my absolute favorite of all-time superhero. He's the character I grew up loving. I'm very proud to get to contribute at all to his legacy, and to get to tell stories in this universe with Spider-Man."As we write this, Kelly has been on Amazing Spider-Man for almost a year-and-a-half, which is still very shy of his longest run: DC's Action Comics for five years. Kelly realizes the pressure of working on a book like Amazing Spider-Man, especially in times like these... but he does have what he says is a possible ending."I would like to be on for a while. I have what could be an endpoint," says Kelly. "I know where I'm writing towards, and all of these different things that I've introduced do actually come together in a sort of wacky way."Kelly says that his Amazing Spider-Man run was planned to be very structured from the jump, and not just throwing "random spaghetti at the wall and be like, 'I'll deal with it later.'""I do have a sense of where these things are going. I'm hoping to be on for a while."While Kelly's five-year Action Comics run totalled 50+ issues, the accelerated shipping schedule of Amazing Spider-Man is on pace to surpass that.
>>155399437"If I'm on this book for three years, that would be 75 issues essentially. That would be a pretty awesome run," says the writer. "We'll see how it's going this time next year. And I'm sure that people will let me know how it's going, because certain people are very vocal out there about their Spidey opinions."https://www.thepopverse.com/comics-amazing-spider-man-ending-planned-joe-kelly
>>155399437CBR?
>>155399456Oh
>>155399437>While Kelly's five-year Action Comics run totalled 50+ issues,That's a good point, op. I COULD be reading his Action Comics run. That was way better.
>>155391672He wants to fuck off to dc and skybound and i dont blame him.Not even the big move to LAX will fix marvel
>>155391355So in other words the guy altered her memories which made it look like a stroke. Also I hate this "Maybelle" shit.
>>155392593THE BAT IS UNBREAKABLE
I'm surprised no one's tried to firebomb Lowe's house already
>>155399399Montoya, cop turned Question
>>155399370>X-men got 2 season of 97 and Spider-bros got this off model comic.I'll never not be mad.
>>155391415>Why can't Marvel do the same?Because Marvel is slave to their own status quo. They refuse let Spider-Man both as a character and a book grow, evolve, or even actually change.
>>155391514>Noah "Alien Earth" HawleyI already wasn't buying this, but that name alone would have killed my interest.Also 3 dozen variant covers? Fucking why? Marvel chill the fuck out.
>>155399437>I do have an ending planned for asmIt's killing peter and having miles become the main guy permanently isnt it. These people are obsessed with that idea.
Rivals is the new canon, the Chinese show more respect and make infinitely more money.
>>155395030>Symbie is going to bond with Jeff the Landshark and they will have space adventures with Gwenpool and Kate Bishop.Kate made her bed pairing off with America, she can fucking sleep in it
>>155396945>How many industry people are regular posters here?Those days left with moot. 4chan's numbers are so bad now that RA disabled post counts and he will never turn them back on except POSSIBLY to advertisers.
>>155401400>even DC from the latest collab supports the Spider-Man from that gameffm_threesome is real
>>155401670It's not a joke, but observable fact, that Spider-Man is done better literally everywhere outside this fuckass office.
>>155401564Where did the numbers go? I know the events that caused the decline, I just don't know where they went because I cannot stand the other usual suspects.
>>155397258>Steve Lieber showed up when he heard Underground was being storytimed and then posted in the Superior Foes of Spider-Man threads for a few months until some faggots scared him off. In particular he was chill with us diluting sales because he knew we weren't making a dent in them. Honestly the number of industry folks mad about this can be counted on one hand.>I think a few Adventure Time staff posted as well.Nat Allegri who was a silent regular in AT threads occasionally drawfagging until someone posted a drawing in show style of her eating nachos out of her pussy and she noped out. Phil Rynda came here once or twice.>Also the Clarissa artist has posted.Jason Yungbluth came here begging us to dogpile on Chuck Dixon, we explained NYPA then showed him the vilest Paheal art of Clarissa and he didn't come back for another decade.
>>155399173>a semi-sentient hologram either he or Bruce set up just in caseDC openly copying J.A.R.V.I.S. was floated in rumor articles and the fan reaction was violently negative.
>Honestly the number of industry folks mad about this can be counted on one hand.It's just another hallmark of the office being out of touch and not understanding the digital age. Hell the Prime threads inspired me to become a reader which means money for DC, because I loved what Williamson did. Love was what sparked a sale, not rage Brevoort.See also his snafu with the QR codes at the back of issues.
>>155399646It's going to make it worse. It's going to be done to further integrate Marvel with Disney corporate which means even more synergy bullshit, even more treating the comics as an IP farm and doing nothing to fix the issue of 5-10 issue ongoings that feel like they don't matter.
>>155391514this fucking faggot
>>155393022Slott's not there to interact with the fans. He's there to be a good company boi and keep saying everything's fine, and if you don't like it you need to take your big boy pants elsewhere and stop being a Debbie Downer. interact with praise, keep saying stuff that will rile some others up, reply to the one being most outrageous about shit so he comes off as the level-headed one, rinse, wash repeat. this is why companies like him so much.
>>155401761Lieber actually said there was a big increase in purchases of Underground after that storytime, which is almost definitely attributable to him being so cool about it and answering questions in the thread.
>>155402120He's going to have a hard time, the preview has been met with a resounding thud in all circles that aren't just laughing hysterically at the trifecta of amnesia, aunt may sick and secret evil cousin plots for maximum slop.
>>155402410it doesn't matter that he's successful or not, the companies like him for trying. No one's hyped for #1000, but he's one of the few going into the lion's den to try to spin it anyway he can. he won't be successful, at most some sychophants will agree with him, but that makes him the useful toady.
>>155401726I wonder if any of them stay up night mulling over the fact that their utter mishandling of Spider-Man is going to be their legacy.
>>155403758They aren't that self-aware, if they were we wouldn't be in the quagmire purgatory ASM finds itself. There is a thick bubble between the Bullpen and introspection or feedback.What will pop it is the next generation just slaughtering their sacred cows in quick succession with fan acclaim. This is an artificial editorial dictate just like Didio, they have lost the mandate of heaven to the Chinese.
>>155392206>Superman/Lois marriage 50th anniversary comingIn 20 years.>>155392264A predictable plot is fine if the story is still told in a way that keeps it engaging. The issue is that the story as told is not engaging. I put it like this: Stern did a story where Spider-Man fights Mr. Hyde and Cobra, there is nothing fancy about it and no greater meaning than "Spidey fights two D-list villains" but damned if he didn't make it a good story because he did a good job of making the two seem like a threat and their own relationship with one another and the way Cobra backstabs Hyde keeps it interesting. Give a modern writer the same story and it would likely be bad. Cobra and Hyde would be portrayed as jokes and non-threats, someone Peter beats up without even thinking about it in a couple of pages while the rest is focused on him acting like an emasculated jackass towards everyone else.The best stories from this run are 8 Deaths and Death Spiral and it's because they don't portray the threat as a joke, there's some twists that while not mindblowing are reasonably fine (well until the stupid cousin shit), the stories aren't focused on having every character treat Peter like shit. Also people liked Cyra and Raelith (prior to the last few issues) and both have in common that they treat Peter well and respectfully and talk about his good qualities instead of needlessly shitting on him like the rest of his supporting cast.>>155392812The entire industry is propped up by variants. Absolute has variants with each issue too. The industry right now is creatively bankrupt both because of corporate practices and becasuse the talent isn't there.
>>155397258Lieber showed up for The Fix too. He stopped coming around because The Fix basically died and he only showed up for storytimes of books he worked on.
>>155394134Absolute Batman moves over 400k copies monthly, easily
>>155404238How many variants does the average Manga best-seller have?
>>155391355The status quo it’s what’s holding back this entire franchise
>>155404566It would help if the status quo wasn't this bizarre hyper-specific part of Peters' life that was never meant to carry this many issues on it.Peter has objectively regressed, and with that regression comes a far smaller pool and place to draw stories and ideas from. DeFalco was right (and right and right and right) about Peter as a character, the more responsibilities you give him the more interesting he is.Peter is functionally a NEET at this point.
>>155391355This is why everyone prefers the animated shows and movies. 616 spider-man fucking sucks
>>155404663And vidya.China Spider-Man is loving life and has far greater reach than 616.
>>155391355Just fucking kill her off already for fuck's sake
>>155399668>Also I hate this "Maybelle" shitShe needs it if you want to address DeFalco's May Parker.
>>155391514corny nigga
>>155400744>comic never actually explains or shows how they got MJ back
>>155404658It'll culminate in him regressing back to a fifteen-year-old again, while the rest of the cast remain the same age.
>>155392371Didn't Yu-Gi-Oh's author write a good Spidey/Iron Man crossover? I honestly bet Arcsys could write Spider-Man better going by Marvel Tokon.
>>155407074>I honestly bet Arcsys could write Spider-Man better going by Marvel Tokon.Don't do that. It has character assassinated Bridget going by Guilty Gear Strive.
>>155407074Near anyone out of this Bullpen can write a better Spider-Man ongoing.This isn't rhetoric, this isn't exaggeration, take stock of what is on offer for #1000 and realize we are in the single worst era of ASM on all fronts. The character and IP is kept thriving by all the adaptations that largely skip over or wholly ignore the comic books.
>>155407074Marvel Tokon's stories were written by Kieron Gillen.
>>155391355>ASM #1000So marble is really doing this shit?Peter Parker first appeared 64 years ago, in the August 1962 issue of Amazing Fantasy. So he won't even be a senior citizen eligible for social security until next year.That's 768 issues ago, going monthly. The actual Amazing Spider-Man title started in 1964, more than six months later, so it should be more like 750+ issues. So they are celebrating all those bi-weekly and even 3x a month releases as 'special.'I guess when you want to make you Not-Even-Silver-Age cash cow seem special, compared to certain actual Golden Age characters, you gotta pull whatever participation trophies you can fake up.
>>155401761>until someone posted a drawing in show style of him eating nachos out of his dickI would feel flattered
>>155391514>Triple HWriting comic books
>>155391355DAMN. Ricardo’s huge cock caused May to have such an orgasm that she ended up in the hospital and forgot who she was.I knew Ricardo looks like Richard Mann but I didn’t think he fucked like him too.May got the full force of the British Broadcasting Corporation.
>>155409495>May dated a black guy before Peter ever touched a black womanWhen will marvel stop being racist? He's fucked even extraterrestrials at this point
>>155391355Just fucking kill her for fuck sake
>>155410382Wasn’t Shay a light skin black woman?
>>155409413I'm for new writers/editors in the bullpen at all costs at this point, so fuck it bring on the guest star wrestler writers. God knows I'll like it more than the triple slop Kelly is serving.
>>155391420I haven't bought a marvel book in 20 years.
>>155391355I'm sorry am I supposed to care about this? This is the most nothingburger plot of all time.Are the writers stupid?
>>155391415didn't they kill her in the 90s?
>>155410513I thought she was Italian.
>>155411177Yes.>>155411251Yes.
How many levels of cronyism do you need to write ASM? Because it's clearly not about skill, ideas or voice for the character.
>>155411376She was suppose to be partially modeled on Zendaya
>>155411879The thing is, not all of these writers are hacks. Kelly has written good comics before. There really is just a fucked up editorial environment that makes all writers worse the second they start writing for ASM.
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>>155412132Zendaya is basically playing Daria morgandoffer. I would actually love peter to date Daria.
>>155412412Bad status and shitty editorial have produced 20 years of bad stories. Not one story can be claimed to justify destroying the marriage. The worst marriage stories can be attributed to people attempting to undermine it.
>>155393480The funny thing is people still like Alfred and liked him when he got killed off, no one who reads Spider-Man comics has given a fuck about May for decades at this point
>>155412574>Not one story can be claimed to justify destroying the marriage. The worst marriage stories can be attributed to people attempting to undermine it.Fucking hell that's a great summation.
why are uncle ben and aunt may always super oldthey're like peter's great-grandparents instead of the same age as his parents
>>155412590She's in arrested development like Peter, as there has been no real in-universe reason why she has not been told or become aware Peter is Spider-Man. It's entirely the editorials bizarre adherence to something that ran its course half a thousand issues ago.Because Aunt May can't find out, they can't give her anything beyond the usual suspect slop plots that drive fans up a wall. So more Peter being blamed for things not his fault, being late and something something all forgiving I'm ill and/or having money troubles. In perpetuity unto forever.She's not involved in his life or setting him up with dates or anything, she's just another notch for the Peter late for the date/event levels.Everyone is just a shell of who they used to be.
The amount of evidence that the marriage was bad (none exists that is convincing), pales in comparison to the evidence that Slott the Slutt, Kelly can't afford the Deli, Brevoort semen snort, Lowest of the Lowe, Ew-ing, White (Not Right), Wacker the Groper, Guggenheim it's rape time!, Waid laughs at the family slayed, and Quesadilla engaged in pedophilia, are actually victims of castrating themselves given how they act like self-absorbed, delusional trannies for the past 20 years.
>>155413291I think his great grandparents fucked after WW1, or during it. Something like that.
>>155412412>Kelly has written good comics beforeCan you name them? I'm genuinely asking, as I'll give them a look to give a fair judgement.This magic baby miscarriage plot, Ricardo, the dialogue being fucking painful to believe throughout - culminating in a amnesiac Aunt May in hospital with an evil secret cousin, to what extent can you blame the editorial cage?
>>155391420>Spiderfags are the architects of their own suffering. All they have to do is stop buying the book yet they can’t.I did years ago, after that bullshit about Norman and Gwen, but I know there a ton of Spider-holics out there still hooked.
>>155391514>But to those of you with open eyes and open heart--
>>155391420It's cute you think that's gonna stop it.Marvel ain't nothing but spiteful.
>>155413391Nta, but if you read his Deadpool run, his Batman/Superman stuff and some of his early Spider-Man stuff in side books in the late 90's you'll see he wrote decent to good stuff. His Action Comics is also mentioned time to time.
>>155413633I'll give them a go, would be interesting seeing how his older Spider-Man compares to the one under the modern regime.Any theories why he is struggling so bad now?
>>155391415>Tom KingAnd it was shit.
>>155413764It's a chicken or the egg situation where you have to think about whether Kelly is checked out because he doesn't get paid shit and comics are going under or he legitimately got brainwashed by hyperpoliticization and is now shit at writing. I think DP/Spider-Man was ok but nothing special when I heard anons talking about it. So I imagine it might be a mix of both. Or Lowe is like fucking Hitler with how tight he grips people under his control and he's going insane with how he is BTFO everyday.
>>155391514>bangerFuck this faggot. Hearing/imagining this slimeball say slang from my gen is fucking earrape.>Alien EarthThat show was fucking ass. Imagine making your main bitch mouthbreath the entire time, have her use her connection to the xenomorph as some "empowering" thing and making a tech billionaire kid the same strawman garbage like every other piece of shit sci-fi media nowadays. Also those kids were dumb as hell and weren't believable due to the shit writing. Making decisions no kid would make or execute well.>JMD and RamosKek. They really tried to sandbag the GOAT all over again. What a legion of losers.>Marcos with SlottHoly fucking talent disparity. Marcos, turn in the most ugly, chopped/ratchet ass shit possible to clown on this fake ass nigga.>CBRSlott you're a pussy retreating from your echo chamber and it proves how spineless you are. Fucking Mojo is better than you.>Hate readNigga more like pirate. Also your self-defeating/self-flagellating/self-soothing bit about imagining that one side will always hate it means you just think the whole world is 4chan and you are delusional about how the internet works as if you haven't been fucking verbally raped for 20 years on the internet.>predictableThis nigga is baiting so damn hard given every single one of his storylines is predictable.>>155409413Yep. We got Marvel collabbing with known pedophile deadbeat dads like Drake and now we have Marvel collabbing with people who aid Saudi Arabia who kills journalists. Gee, this sure is responsible and exemplifies what their characters stand for.
>BRING SLOTT KEK TO MEWhat the....?!Did he just brainwash Slott to suck copious amounts of cock? Damn. I better not mess with StarFox.
>>155404663>>155404675Pretty much everyone prefers every other version that isn't 616. I remember one of friends read Brand New Day (comic book) after watching the new film, he was baffled on how they made Peter be this bachelor going to parties like he was a frat bro and gettng multiple women, i had to told him that this is how the editorial wants Peter to be with his reaction being nothing but pure digust.
>>155409413>For some godforsaken reason, fucking Triple H of people makes a good Spider-Man run in a long time
>>155414677Keep in mind that was RIGHT AFTER OMD. So imagine that with the complete tonal whiplash to twenty years of matrimony ending with a deal with the devil as MJ is shuffled out by a victorious editorial.
>>155414728I unironically think he'll be one of the better ones in the line-up.
>>155414677The more insulting thing is that he never fucks any of them and the one time he did it was retconned. Talk about having your cake and eating it too
>>155415277Well they didn't want Peter raped under the influence in those first few issues.They wanted to save all those rape plots for Superior.
>>155414785If he gives Spidey his own crew like DX or has Spidey practice sharia law and go to Saudi Arabia, that'd be more interesting than this shit.
>>155391355it's time to revive gwen
>>155416977Nope. Time to throw her body into the pits of Muspelheim, where her ashes shall be subsumed by the fiery lava and her spirit shall be engulfed by the primordial magicks of Surtur.
>>155413781Yes but it was used to great effect in different titles lmao.Tynions Alfred moment was great for a kind of deflating arc as a whole.
>>155392344BRAVO INDEED /s
>>155391355why does those middle panels sound so sexually arousing?
>>155419114Shut up Slott.
>>155414728>Triple H writes a wholesome story of Peter and MJ together that's more beloved than the actual story of the issueWould be based desu
>>155419165>wrestler knows basic ways to please the crowdBetween him and JMD.
>>155419114>>155419136Kelly is more of the man showing Peters bizarre Oedipus complex.It's what happens when you whittle your Human cast down to fucking one. They can't afford to lose her, so she'll be out of commission for... whenever. Possibly to reveal the identity again, but in the stupidest way possible.
>>155419165>>155419188If Triple H actually has some chops and draws dimes, that would be supremely over with me. Bring in Crusher Hogan and if he treats him similarly to how he was in the DeFalco story from the 80's, then he's based in my book.I doubt it will happen but Bonesaw also appearing would be ludokino. But yeah that's a fantasy.
>>155401761where can I find this nacho art
>>155391415Because Spider-Man can't mature past a mid to early 20s. His Mother figure dying would be a big marker of him growing up, but since he can't do that, Aunt May can't die.
>>155419200It would be hot if May was younger like in the MCU
>>155401761Spencer, Lieber, and Yost were really /co/'s kino machines...Also is there a way to drive Slott or Slottsissies away like Yungbluth? Felt like Slott was here not too long ago in a thread. But I dunno his shills can be almost like him sometimes in how they write responses.>>155402376Holy based. Hope he is doing well.
>>155408918They always do this shit for milestone issues. They fake numbering and throw in books and mini-series with different title names.Venom a while back was a really egregious example.
>>155419961The only part of that list that is questionable is Dark Origin partly because I vaguely recall some weird minor retcons. But it is still included because it sets up Eddie's dad for Cates' run and that aspect makes sense for Eddie's history. The rest are miniseries from the 90's because that's just how he was for a while only getting those and they are important to Venom. It's not egregious as they lead into each other. Marvel just didn't trust him to have an ongoing. But....ASM's legacy numbering is kind of bad with RYV being included because Slott just had to have that included because Regent shows up for his gay ass Vol 5 series. What a fucking lame character. Doesn't matter. It will get reset to issue 545 anyway when zoomers take over.
>>155391514I MUST FEEL GOOD I MUST FEEL GOOD I MUST FEEL GOOD
>>155391514>filename Holy kek. Fucking grim. How far we done fallen makes me sick man.
>>155416977Clone Gwen is technically around
>>155414677Not to mention every single issue of BND for a little while started with him kissing some rando girl. God, they are so tone-deaf
>>155420817Nope, she was sniped by Gwen-Kaine. She had to die, her existence was a reminder that Gwen biologically loves older men and Sins Past is true canon.
>>155421508>>155414677This is all gonna lead to more interesting stories though, Quesadilla said so
Kill all OMDfags
>>155422761For sure, at some point in the next century, there will be a story that justifies everything. It will be the best Spider-Man issue ever and could only happen to an unmarried Peter Parker. You just need a thousand more issues to set it up properly.
