https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-04-13/animaniacs-freakazoid-producer-credits-pokemon-for-wb-cartoon-decline/.101008>literally a shitty Japanese cartoon where nothing matters and every episode is the samewere people standards too low back then or whathow did it manage to do it?
Children deserve better media aimed at them but children don't want better media aimed at them (John K. Mike Judge, Trey and Matt and Akira Toriyama Prove this)
It turned out kids preferred action and adventure to ancient slapstick gags, celebrity references, and Emmy-bait musical numbers and historical reenactments.
>>155392125>action and adventurethe Pokemon anime didn't have any of that >ancient Japanese slapstick gagsthis is what it had
>>155392125>>155392120damn zoomers had terrible taste ngl
What >>155392125 said, specifically boys preferred action and fighting, while girls preferred romance and both liked appealing character designs.>>155392141Those jokes were toned down in the dub and again, weren’t the main focus. Western animation at the time focused mainly on being visually impressive underground comix slop.
>>155392063faggots forget but Pokemon turned to slop immediately after Kanto ended. Nobody was watching this past 2001.
>>155392229>turned to slop immediately after Johto ended.FTFTThere's a reason Pokemania died when Johto ended, and the games only played a small part in that.
I stopped watching regularly when Brock left, and Ash kept losing every match.
>>155392063>a shitty Japanese cartoon where nothing matters and every episode is the sameDoesn't this describe every Saturday morning cartoon ever? And every comedy based cartoon ever? Why is it always Japanese cartoons being singled out for being vapid episodic slop when the west pushes this out by the dozens?
>>155392419Johnny Bravo was memorable. Pokemon was an outlier when it comes to anime. It was literalyl trying to be a cartoon with Team Rocket blsdting off every episode and Ash performing outlandish superhuman feats, everything in Pokemon operated on cartoon logic.
>>155392229>>155392242Boomers
>>155392430>>155392419
The writers did not give two shits
>>155392063The first couple seasons of Pokemon mog the fuck out of most kids cartoons though
>>155392430>cartoon where nothing matters and every episode is the same>responds with "johnny bravo is memorable"I can tell you didn't engage with what was actually said and just built your counterpoint around the pic, when it was just an example of the west's obsession with episodic episodes where nothing of substance happens and it always resets.
>>155392573did cartoons really started having on-going narratives when Avatar happened?
Even if you wanna act like pokemon is everything salty western animators and critics act like it is, its entirely delusional to act like it doesn't actually progress compared to the hundreds of vapid episodic slop pumped out since the 50s.
>>155392585>it doesn't actually progressbut it doesn'tnothing mattered>if he loses? who cares next week new episode>if he wins?who cares next week new episode>if he kisses a girl?who cares next ween new episodePokemon is one of those anime anon, like Detective Conan, where it was in an eternal limbo.
>>155392585heck 30 years later when he actually became the world championwho cares next week new episode
>>155392603The limbo criticism applies to Western cartoons more. Plus you're wrong. Ash and pokemon he evolved and departed with along with new ones along the way. He even got different companions. Hell him having an actual goal with the badges is more plot than any western cartoon at the time
>>155392063Animaniacs and Freakazoid were just worse Looney Tunes. Pokemon offered something new. And was based off of a video game, which was a lot more fresh than old people cameos.
>>155392063/vp/bros, we raped /co/
>>155392615you would have a case if the series ended at DPthe writers gave so little fucks they started rewriting him post DP for every following series; that was not Ash anymore but his skinwalker
>>155392141>the Pokemon anime didn't have any of thatNot sure how you define either, as literally the first episode has the main characters embark on a journey together (adventure) and run into an angry swarm of Beedrill and Spearow (action).
>>155392559Poor pikachu dragging Snorelax while some lazy shit just walks casually.
>>155392628those had video games too thothe issue was that they ended and WB was pumping out shit like Histeria and Pinky, Elmyra & the Brain
>>155392639The fuck? Just stop watching. Everything up to in advance is kino enough to stomp most cartoons. Bringing up dp is irrelevant
>>155392430That's not new for anime. The entire Time Bokan family operated on this template. Team Rocket almost fits the Doronbo gang style.What mattered was that there was continuity and you never knew if the Pokémon of the week would be joining Ash's team or not. And then Team Rocket also started expanding their roster, meaning in future episodes Ash would have to face a different challenge.
>>155392635anon, /co/ fags are also /vp/ fags
>>155392670Video game based on cartoon is not the same as cartoon based on a video game dipshit
>>155392706the Pokemon anime was a shit adaptation tho might as well be its own thing. Didn't adapt any of the story, or heck even have the Gym leaders or Elite 4 or Evil Teams etc.
>>155392717exactly, fuck this garbagegames or nothing
>>155392628Even back then, the manga was better lmao
>>155392584There were attempts to branch western media forward at times like the late 80s-2000s wave of action cartoons but it would always be stifled by brainrotten executives (theyd cite it being too controversial/expensive), soccer moms (think of the kids who could copy said action), or audiences (just having bad taste)Blame the west seeing animation as only for kids, and its consistently retarded need to baby kids.
>>155392749>Blame the west seeing animation as only for kids, and its consistently retarded need to baby kids.I feel like we are currently living in such an era
>>155392749Top left did gangbusters success though. I think it combined the best aspects of Western and Eastern stuff: cool translations, aesthetic designs, romances and serious villains but less pervy shit and gore to not offend the soccer moms.
Pikachu
>>155392607>heck 30 years later when he actually became the world champion>who cares next week new episodeWhat's scooby accomplished in his 57 drawn out years of existence? When's the last time Homer actually grew as a character aside from waist line jokes? Has Johnny Bravo yet scored the girl? Have Pinky and Brain taken over the world & maintained dominion? For all this talk of pokemon being dead in its tracks and being vapid, all I can see critiqurs that apply much more to vapid static episodic garbage.
>>155392858sigh actually I miss bothwhy aren't cartoons and anime episodic anymore?
>>155392063>2016
>>155392161>article is specifically talking about pokemon episodes that aired in the late 90s/2000>DURRR HURRR ZOOMURSI think I have anti-zoomer fatigue. You have to be fucking retarded.
>>155392063How the hell was pokemon more popular than Yu-Gi-Oh? Yugioh had cooler characters with better designs, good soundtrack, an actual plot and the game itself was more entertaining than Pokemon. So, why did it lose?
>>155392063the japanese played the long game
>>1553931531st one was decently popular in Europe but went on for too long and then ended up rebooting itself every following series
>>155392680Nuh uh
>>155393153haha YuGiOh had such a miserable attempt at making a multimedia franchise >failed attempt at video games>manga gets canceled>all ideas for other games like Capsule Monsters scrapped cuz don't sell>TCG somehow survives but forever in the shadow of bigger TCGs like Magic, Pokemon, Duel Masters
>>155393173>ended up rebooting itself every following seriesThe first two shows after original Yugioh were sequels. The rest are their own universes but that is better than infinite status quo like pokemon.
>>155392205>slop.infinitely better than what both japan and usa have to offer these days
>>155393185in the long run it is a failed strategylike today, the only recognizable one is the original one with Yugi
>>155393183Nothing what you posted is true. All the manga finished. It had several successful games. The TCG mogged pokemon for years and still mogs Magic.
>>155392277for me, it was Max being such an annoying prick, although the anime was repetitive as hell much before that
>>155393198Takahashi almost died and had to finish the final arc in the hospital
>>155392615>along with new ones along the way. He even got different companions.gotta sell those new Pokemon merchandise somehow, that's not progression, that's just the same cute adorable critter in a different costume
>>155393183>in the shadows of duel mastersAre you retarded?
>>155393198>It had several successful games.
>>155392858>For all this talk of pokemon being dead in its tracks and being vapidThe difference between Pokemon and Johnny Bravo is that Johny Bravo was very creative even if it's episodic, while Pokemon pretended to have a plot while doing the same shit every single episode.Bravo is inherently superior just for that fact alone, and I don't even like Bravo at all. But Pokemon was lowest common denominator trash, and has always been.
>>155393153people still care for this Pokemon ripoff?
>>155393229No.
>>155393153This shit was fucking retarded. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv6TpXHJTmU
>>155393229>Pokemon ripoffRetard
>>155393248sorry meant Magicbut Pokemon TCG does predate YuGiOh too so...
>>155392063Kids WB autists really raged about this for a few years on FFnet, it was wild
>>155393245mental how the anime that was supposed to teach you how to play the game taught you how to cheat instead
>>155393191>the only recognizable one is the original one with YugiMostly because 4kids was stupid. The rest of shows have a fanbase outside america. I mean, watch this. It's cool as fuck. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeYWj1jzIcQ
>>1553932775D's was the only good one I give you that. What came after was really really bad though, heck GX was pure shit too.
>>155392063Pokémon isn't Sazae-San, it had a plot.Plus Pokémon was nothing but a a scape goat for WB, in reality those Spielberg cartoons were produced at a loss and by the late 90s Spielberg wasn't as popular as he was in the early 90s (Spielberg was funding these shows with his own wallet, no sponsors were used other then whoever TMS hired (namely Hitachi, Nissay and Konami) to bump up their budget), by 1999 Spielberg had ties with Dreamworks and asked Katzenberg to use money he was saving for Shrek to pay for 50% of his WB shows and he said no, he even asked WB themselves and they ended up canceling his shows because they couldn't take the loss (WB only took Spielberg's shows because Spielberg was taking the loss and was using movie money to pay for those shows, if WB had to take the loss they would've rejected Tiny Toons for costing too much) and use Pokémon as a scape goat because it cost next to nothing to license (it's success caused Japan's anime industry to jack up it's rates from $7000 for 70 episodes to $5 million for just 13 episodes to make sure this never happened again).>>155392120They do, but Animaniacs ended and were stuck with this until SpongeBob showed up.>>155392125No, they don't, Laura Haruna is proof of this as Laura had timeless slapstick gags, dated celebrity references (Mimi's (Kana's younger cousin) baby sister Tina was named after Tina Fey who was huge in the early 2000s), and Emmy-deserving musical numbers and historical reenactments and everyone worshiped the ground it walked on.>>155392141Pokemon didn't have timeless Japanese slapstick gags, that was Animaniacs, it did have action and adventure however.>Source: I was a big fan of it between 1998-2000'ish like alot of kids in my era.>>155392205They do not, they want funny animals who drop anvils on peoples heads and preform wild takes.
>>155393309thank you, very well put together
>>155392161Zoomers were watching the first season of Pokemon on Kids WB?
>>155393210>Well it's bad because it's a good enough concept to keep people interested for yearsYou're trying to be sardonic, but pokemon is still around and still popular with kids. Meanwhile the looney tunes and every Western cartoon character created since hasn't reached a fraction of pokemons success. Your like those retards who shit on He-Man and other toy ad cartoons even though those shows were good and selling toys makes the cartoon more likely to stick around
>>155393309TT had more than just TMS working on it, didn't they just produce 13 episodes in total?https://youtu.be/6hJZAAAtEe4
>No, they don't, Laura Haruna is proof of this as Laura had timeless slapstick gags, dated celebrity references (Mimi's (Kana's younger cousin) baby sister Tina was named after Tina Fey who was huge in the early 2000s), and Emmy-deserving musical numbers and historical reenactments and everyone worshiped the ground it walked on.
>>155393287The third season of GX and the last season of Zexal were peak Yugioh tho
>>155393309>Famicom post>>155393328>Some bastard complementing FamicomI am surounded by idiots.
>>155393210>>155393342>cute adorable critter in a different costumeForgot to mention how sad this part is. Cartoons are all about having drawings that are so cool or appealing that people want to actually look at them. Why is it bad that pokemon is able to make new designs people like? How is that different from having a roster of cartoon characters you think have good designs? You're trying to shit on the things that specifically made pokemon popular, makes no sense
>>155393354Master System post.
>>155393342>it's a good enough concept to keep people interested for years>assumes "popular= good" like a good two digit IQ retardthis conversation is over
>>155393333>>155392161STOP FUCKING BULLYING ME, OKAY? I SAID WHAT I SAID.
>>155393368If you could actually read you'd get it, it's that Pokemon has absolutely nothing else to offer. "haha cute thing" doesn't make the show good
>>155393342>Meanwhile the looney tunes and every Western cartoon character created since hasn't reached a fraction of pokemons success.that is a weird comparisonany Looney Tune is more iconic than Ash Ketchum wow and I would argue no kids today ever gave a fuck about him eitherwhat makes Pokemon still relevant are the video games and TCG. Looney Tunes do not have a TCG or notable vidya. Both are still huge regardless but for completely different reasons.
>>155393389>any Looney Tune is more iconic than Ash Ketchum wow and I would argue no kids today ever gave a fuck about him either>what makes Pokemon still relevant are the video games and TCG. Looney Tunes do not have a TCG or notable vidya. Both are still huge regardless but for completely different reasons.
>>155392419People miss Laura Haruna that much, she made the balance of episodic adventures that took just 1 episode to complete and laugh out loud funny.It's just that not every episode was like that, some episodes were more slice of life while others were just straight up goofy god-tier comedies that only exist to be funny but Laura did what she felt like and shows with on going stories don't have that privilege to do that.>>155392628No they were not, they were on par to Looney Tunes while Pokémon is just isekai which is much older then you think (even Mario is an isekai when you thing about it for long enough).>>1553927174Kids butchered it, the Japanese original is much better.>>155392754It's 20 times worse in Japan, where kids content is nothing but long runners that have been going for 20+ years.>>155392858>Has Johnny Bravo yet scored the girl?Theres a reboot comic that had him not just score but he also got married to said woman and they had a son together who is much smarter then him.>>155393153People still have a grudge for Konami for what they did to Hideo Kojima.
>>155393403>People still have a grudge for Konami for what they did to Hideo Kojima.Good.
I am not going to read this thread, so I am going to assume it's full of people who have been seething since the Kanto eoisodes of Pokemon, yes?
>>155393407That plus one delusional idiot with an obsessive fixation on the girl from the hamster show.
>>155392063>literally a shitty Japanese cartoon where nothing matters and every episode is the sameYa know what I really don't get, adults who are still super into Pokemon. I see it all the time, especially college age people playing the games or with lots of pins or other merch from it on their person. Pokemon is literally the most common IP I see fuckin TATTOOS of on people aged like 18-35~, it feels like. There is so little depth or substance to this shit that by the time I was like 12 I was already completely over it. What do people get out of this that make them love it so much to the point of wanted to get things form it permanently inked onto their body? Just surreal to me.
I never cared for the piece of shit garbage Pokemon cartoon wowYou faggots are insane. The games carry that shit. They will forever the moving block of Pokemon, without the video games you have no new Pokemon, and that is a fact. The anime can get canceled tomorrow and franchise just goes on like nothing.
>>155393407No surprise. Famicom found this thread now. And as usual, I have consistant bad seeing eyes on /co/ in the morning because I also witnessed Becky Braps throwing a samefag hissyfit in another thread.
>>155393328Thank you.>>155393345They did 19 episodes plus the opening, How I Spent My Vacation, Night Ghoulery and a bunch of Japanese ads.>>155393368With Pokémon people want waifus, not adorable critters.>>155393389Looney Tunes had those Crazy Castel games and that excellent Sunsoft Game Boy game (even updated fore Game Boy Color).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR_ISP-NIvY
>>155393420>adults who are still super into Pokemon.arrested development, these are the dudes that defend modern pokeshit
>>155393420the games got betterbut uglier too
>>155392063Children (and manchildren) have always been stupidly weak against toy comercials disguised as tv series. Pokemon it's a very subpar franchise that Im glad to have grow out early, still Im pretty sure it's one of the things that ruined millenials as a generation.
>>155393420it is also a breeding ground for scalpers now
>>155393406They brought back Bomberman but I feel they haven't notice that because they're still upset about the Kojima drama.>>155393415Hamtaro was extremely main steam and Laura is even more main stream.
>>155392469>>155392479>>155392495>>155392545>something physically unrealistic happened in my show about magical fairy monstersOH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>155393438
>>155393420>Pokemon tattoosI've noticed that camgirls and Pokemon tattoos go together like peas and carrots. Scrolling thru camgirls you can see like a dozen Pokemon tats in as many minutes.
>>155393374On some level that is true though. If something genuinely doesn't have a large number of people invested in it it will not continue and to get people invested you have to be good on some level>>155393382That's not true at all. Just look at the anime. That has more intense battles, emotional moments, build up, lore, and interesting locations than any western cartoon for kids barring shit like Batman the animated series and avatar. So obviously shit like Billy and mandy or fairly odd parents is gonna look lame in comparison. >>155393389They genuinely aren't dude. Most twenty year olds would definitely have to think for a second to name one looney tune. Everyone under forty knows Ash at this point
>>155393432They didn't defend Scarlet and Violet.
>>155393473Everyone knows Lola Bunny
>>155393349Only the front half of GX's third season (read up to Rainbow Dragon vs Armityle; maybe Brron) was good. ZeXal's writing got worse when it stopped being kiddy slop somehow
>>155393467Show me da proof
>>155393477yet it was the best game in the franchisethis is how you know Pokemon is dead, it is filled with nothing but grifters now
>>155393222Do you know which country Johnny Bravo had the highest viewership in? India. That’s where Johnny Bravo leads you, India
>>155393403Ashime lacks real dark themes, even if 4kids is annoying>muh Japanese movie 1 directors cut!Still barely a 5/10 due to its shit ending>Muh edgy filler with James breast implants and Dratini feat gunsMeh
>>155393473The thing is NOBODY wants intense battles, emotional moments, build up, lore, and "interesting" locations, they just want falling anvils/safes/pianos, giant mallets, bombs/TNT/explosives and wild takes.You want a real interesting location, how about a water tower that 3 puppy like kids who are zany to the max that they have baloney in their slacks live in, THATS a interesting location.They do know about Looney Tunes, all twenty year olds can name one Looney Tunes short, and that short's name is The Great Piggy Bank Robbery.>>155393498No, that was Black and White which is compared to F-Zero GX in terms of quality.
>Boomers trying to figure out why Networks rather pick up a 300 episode anime series instead of their funny talking animal slop or show based on a kids’ dad like XTREME SPORTS.Wonder why kids picked DragonBallZ and Pokemon over stuff like COCONUT FRED or THE BOOM CREW.
>>155393532Yeah I don't know why anyone would think "hurrr japanese version is better" would even apply to Pokemon. It's a kodomo anime. It's made for literal 4 year olds. Whatever 4kids does doesn't matter because you're getting the same exact kid shit regardless.
>>155393406Kojima is a hack, even if Konami is worse
Hideo, scan this guys feet.
>>155393309>dated celebrity references (Mimi's (Kana's younger cousin) baby sister Tina was named after Tina Fey who was huge in the early 2000sListen, I half-agree with you, but a character being named after a famous person is not on par with Freakazoid literally spending minutes of its runtime talking about boomerslop from the 1970s.
>>155393586It’s Famicom, you should expect some made up bullshit.
>>155393432NTA, but from what I’ve seen, it’s mostly women. They’re less autistic with the cards and more into plushies and merch and they think Pokémon is cute and relaxing.
>>155393595Who the fuck is Famicon and why are you on his cock
>>155393542They didn't, they picked SpongeBob and Fairly Odd Parents over Dragon Ball Z and Pokémon.>>155393552Pokémon isn't Blue's Clues, it is far too violent for preschoolers.>>155393586Meanwhile Laura spent minutes of her runtime talking about Bob Clampett leaving Warner Bros to create Time for Beany.Everyone loved it.>>155393595It's not made up.https://hamtaro.fandom.com/wiki/Tina_Iwata
>>155393552Dogasu's backpack feat 4kids being the 2000s ultimate evil, so all slander or criticism, no matter how contrived is justified, because 4kids sucks.
>>155393606Animation historian.
>>155393626Ashime is barely above pre-school slop though. Only YGO and Digimon are serious toy ads for serious people when complaining about old bad localization, and the former has some adaptation decay of its own.
>>155393654No it isn't, Pokémon isn't Paw Patrol.
Anime is shit kys weeb
>>155393654This. Even actual pokemon ripoffs like Palworld are better than Pokemon
>>155393666YGO and Digimon are way more serious than Pokemon. Fuckin' Monster Rancher and Medabots are more serious than Pokemon. Hell, I'll lower the bar to the Earth's core and say gooner slop like the Megaman Battle Network anime is more serious than tripe like the Ashime
>>155393626>it is far too violent for preschoolers.>Kodomomuke works are generally aimed at the 3-to-10-year-old range and are usually more gender-neutral than shōnen and shoujo. That's just the age range for Japan. Even when I was 4 I started watching Pokemon, it's not that crazy of a concept.
>>155393692Palworld is unironically modern Pokemon tier though, extremely gay lawsuit from Nintendo aside.
>>155393700
>>155393718How?How is it debunked?
I see a lot of >Pokemon is lame >The series is subpar >The anime is dumb If you really believe this then what has been stopping the western animation industry from creating a cartoon that's as successful as the pokemon anime? They've had decades to get the message but even now no one is creating cool cartoons to court western audiences back from anime
>>155392858It's funny how this "animation war" mentality only exists in the minds of the cartoon enthusiasts. Anime was never trying to compete with cartoons at all, they were just making shows for their own market and giving the OK when foreign networks imported them.Nobody saw the anime boom coming, nobody thought these weird japanese shows would captivate american children without even trying.
>>155393626>it is far too violent for preschoolersEveryone really focus on this. Right here is why Western animation is in the bad shape it's currently in. Dumbass pearl clutchers thinking kids don't want cool shti
>>155393740Because the average modern writer wants to write about realistic panic attacks/pander to shipper mongrels, and no one will ever care about less gory versions of shonen like the DCAU or Avatar in current year.
>>155393718i too wish i was retarded and rely on a folder full of images that say "debunked" when i don't feel like arguing
>>155393737Pokémon is too violent for 4 year olds.
>>155393740I can't explain why, but the west could never create something like Pokemon. Monster collecting is just an inherently japanese idea. Even now any competition Pokemon gets comes from Japan itself.
>>155393782According to you.The age range of the Pokemon anime has been already decided by Japanese publishers and broadcasters, and it includes 4 year olds.
>>155393782Its still kiddy fare, even compared to memoryholed kids action shows like The Zeta Project or Hulk 1996.
>yet another fucking East vs West thread except this time Famicom's here
>>155393808No it does not.
>>155394438You got debunked.And raped.
>>155394476>You got debunked.>And raped.
>>155394564What's the history behind this image?
>>155393153cute always sells more than cool
>>155394711Yu-Gi-Oh was only big with blacks
>>155394665It came from the Animaniacs segment The Please, Please, Please Get A Life Foundation.
If Pokémon is more appealing to kids, try to understand why that is instead of kvetching about those darn gooks taking yer jobs
>>155393740>what has been stopping the western animation industry from creating a cartoon that's as successful as the pokemon animeBecause Pokemon managed to create a perfect formula that extremely hard to recreate if not impossible>A great setting that gives kids and older freedom and cool pets>Said great setting can make people want to read the official mangas or make their own stories >Incredibly marketable designs>The game are easy to get into and complex enough for those that prefer to play competitively>The franchise also has successful spin offs in case you want something different from the mainline games but still pokemon
>>155395121>A great settingIt's simple, but effective.Basically the modern world as viewed by a child in the 90's.
>>155392063The reason they blamed Pokemon for killing Kids WB because their original stuff sucked and no one liked it. Pokemon wasn't the only non-Kids WB show that the viewers liked, Yu-Gi-Oh and Jackie Chan Adventures as well.
I'm here to say: Bakugan > Pokemon
>>155395257The DC animated stuff did well too.
>>155393477Of course they did.>>155393602yeah maybe, after pokemon GO women realized pokemon are cute
>>155393567doesn't mean it was right for konami to treat him as they did
>>155393514I wonder which franchise made more money in india, pokemon or johnny bravooh yeah that's right
>>155392749Another problem was that channels were allergic to airing shit in order. When Korra was airing, the creators talked about what a huge issue it was for Nick to air the episodes in the fucking order they were supposed to be watched. Networks largely preferred shit with no continuity.
>>155393309>FAMICUNT IS HERE
>>155393153Games. The early Pokemon games were like the biggest hit ever because they are super easy while also keeping you entertained and encouraged that trading shit with friends. Also >>155394711 is right. Pokemon had way wider appeal because girls could like the cute pokemon.
>>155392585Ain't I so fuckin clever?
KWAB: the thread
Probably the most famous anime is DBZ which is not episodic.
>>155393626Shut the fuck up about the hamtaro Loli you fucking weirdo, we already figured out your identity you freak!
>>155394665>>155394740nerds were exactly the same then as they are now.
>>155395723now at least some would be trans
Fags shitting on YuGiOh are fucking insane. YuGiOh is /co/ at its core and fucking cool. Pokemon is garbage for manchildren and women.
>>155392585>You sacrificed storytellACK ACK ACK ACK ACK ACK
>>155393153Yugioh literally being about card games and not monster buddies makes the conceit much lamer than taming real monsters.
>>155396505Pokemon aren't monsters. They are cute puppies with weird designs.Yugi tamed gods https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5ddOG5voZE
>>155396310>author gets screwed out of millions of dollars by a close aide for over a decadeKurumada did not deserve that.
>>155397150What? Is that what happened? Why?
how can one become so tilted at Pokemon, much less early Pokemon when it wasn't as retarded as it is now?
>>155395267true, although nobody understood the card gameAlso Mira is cute
>>155397175No, this is more recent. They were going to a 50th anniversary, but it got cancelled. Then recently it turned that his company was close to bankruptcy because one guy had been stealing money for years.
>>155397331You mean Tokuma Shoten?
>>155397227She fucked her brother tho
>>155392749I mostly blame executives, because all they wanted were shows that could be easily syndicated, 65 episodes that can easily played in any order, shopped to a variety of channels as need be. You'd get the occasional 2 or 3 parter, but still.
>>155397215Pokemon has been the same kidslop all along. The designs are far worse and less memorable now obviously, but that's not really the anime's fault.
>>155397574Shut up, tranny
>>155397584>when you're a chud and have no cognitive means to produce anything beyond your first canned post
>>155397627Go get your binky
>>155397215it was dumb since day one>pikachu use thunder on rock pokemon>somehow wins
>>155392125fax, those cartoons were dogshit and family guy/south park/robot chicken did it better
>>155397720>Simpsons
>>155397720>faxStfu
>>155393153>why is the most convoluted and retarded thing ever NOT more popular than kids having adventures with their little magical pets.
>>155392120>John K. Mike Judge, Trey and Matt and Akira Toriyama Akira Toriyama is the only one of those who was ever any good.
>>155398062Toriyama openly admitted to being a lazy writer who always wrote by the seat of his pants.
>>155398062No, retard
>>155398095he gave the bare minimum, imagine if he actually tried
>>155392430Team Rocket are based on the Doronbo Gang from Yattaman, one of the most influential and regularly referenced series in all of anime. Like sure Tatsunoko did take a lot of influence from Hanabarbara but they were contemporaries at the time. Basically what I'm saying is your argument is fucking stupid.
>>155398270Judge is better
>>155398285Yea, Doronjo is hot. I just hate Pokemon.
>>155392063pokemon didnt start out on cruise control, that came much later. it started out as a mind-blowing concept of a show where, 22 minutes at a time, you get a piece of an ongoing story that never ends, and is working toward something.Freakazoid was also mind-blowing due to its completely off the wall humor. They were both among my favorites.
>>155398350er wait, it was 24 back then
>>155398329Shittaste
>>155398380blame the fandom not me
>>155398270Ever wonder why is "humor" was so dumb and not funny for most Americans, dude was always a goofster that never took anything seriously and rush things out to get a chapter done in time at the last second unless it was something he really wanted to do,band he was a henpecked weirdo who love shitty asshole women because he tought they were 'stronger willed".The dude died in his 60s cause he loved to drink and got something in his head I think.
Did this board enter a time warp and a discussion thread from 2008 get brought to the present. Like half these takes come off as something that would be dated in 2015.Oh yeah also if your going to argue about popularity at use Tom and Jerry since at least people outside of the States give a shit about them. Like I'm sorry, I love Loony Tunes as much as the next guy, but no one who doesn't speak English gives a shit.
>>155398350>you get a piece of an ongoing story that never endsAsh losing the league also felt like a huge thing the first time
>>155392670>and Pinky, Elmyra & the BrainAnd Larry!
Isn't the reason Animaniacs and Freakazoid got canceled was because kids weren't watching it while completing ignoring that teens and young adults where?
>>155392553Disagree. Pokemon was kiddie shit, which is why even though the games sucked, Digimon's anime was superior in every way and is still beloved
>>155398581Wrong, contrarian
>>155392063>literally a shitty Japanese cartoon where nothing matters and every episode is the sametbf Animaniacs, Freakazoid, Pinky & the Brain and Tiny Toon Adventures may as well have been the exact same show and all had the same writing style, humour and often the exact same VAs. WB were complacent and foolish for having all their shows be so similar that if something new and different like Pokemon came out and become popular it'd bowl their entire lineup over. If it wasn't Pokemon it would have been Dragonball Z or Sailor Moon or just some other Network like Cartoon Network or Nickleodeon.
>>155398683>Tiny Toon Adventures nah that one was different from the rest
>>155398683when Pokemon came out they had Histeria which was fucking shit even compared to everything before (on purpose), in other words, no competition to speak of
>>155398683Honestly if you edited the four together into one big thing you could probably trick people into thinking they were one series.
>>155398683>>155398749these shows were good, they weren't even the dominating force of the 90s, that was Capeshit
>>155393606
>>155398581NTADigimon is cooler.But Pokemon is still good.
>>155398433In the early days of the Dragon Ball manga, he would apparently drink all week then hammer out the next chapter at the last minute.
>>155399040Based AI
Will point out PPG came out the same year that Pokemon began being aired in the west and was still massively popular. Maybe if you could keep up your shows won't have been cancelled. :^)
>>155398062From the viewpoint of a cultural critic, DragonBall Z is everything wrong with children's media
>>155392717>didn't have the gym leaders or the elite 4...
>>155399159Explain
>>155392063Lol Andrew Dobson blamed Pokemon and anime, too. Finally, industry vets have validated him.
>>155398683Season Two of Freakazoid was very different from season one in terms of humor and tone, but it also wasn't popular with little kids at all, hence why it got cancelled.>WB were complacent and foolish for having all their shows be so similar that if something new and different like Pokemon came out and become popular it'd bowl their entire lineup over. Ruegger was their hitmaker. When something succeeds, you make more of it, and other companies try to copy you (as Disney tried and failed with Raw Toonage). But he ran his course and got drummed out.
>>155399159No, tard
>>155399194>Andrew Dobson blamed PokemonWhat? Dobson loved Pokemon >butterfry
>>155395121No, those are bad things, it's Laura Haruna thats...>A excellent setting that gives kids and adults laughs and falling anvils from the sky.>Great settings can make people want to read the official monthly comic that is still going or make their own stories.>Incredibly marketable designs that are not meant to be marketable but rather be memorable and cherishable and with with you for the rest of your life, just like Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck.>The games are easy to get into and complex enough for those that prefer to play competitively>The franchise also has "spin offs" (Mirumo De Pon, Don't Toy With Me Ms. Nagatoro) in case you want something different from the mainline series.>>155395267No, just no, this should've been avoided.>>155395364No they did not.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mbv4b7yLgE>>155395687Laura Haruna was bigger then DBZ.>>155397574No it is not.>>155398062Tom Ruegger puts those guys to shame however.
>>155392063>how did it manage to do it?It was exciting and new and had great games and a TCG alongside it. There is a reason why its still going strong today as an IP while all its imitators lag behind or fail.
>>155399227Tom Ruegger brings shame to the entire industry.
>>155398329Laura Haruna, not Doronjo.>>155398442Yes they do give a shit.>>155398577No, it was cost, WB became cheap and didn't want to fund their own products.>>155398683Pokemon only did the way it did because WB got too cheap to keep the Speilberg cartoons going, otherwise they would've never taken off (Laura Haruna excluded because she is in the same mold as Tiny Toons and Animaniacs).>>155398836Yes they were, Buster Bunny is even the most important character of the 90s for a reason.>>155399040100% fake and photoshopped.>>155399125It's fake.
>>155399254Other way around.
>>155399265Honestly, Famicom, you should be proud that even random search engine bots are aware of you, it kind of makes up for not having an Encyclopedia Dramatica article or Kiwi Farms thread. It was the second result, by the way, the first one outright referred to you as "lolcow".
>>155399211He had a love/hate relationship with anime and ultimately blamed its growing popularity on why he never landed a Disney gig
>>155399819>Honestly, Famicom, you should be proud that even random search engine bots are aware of you, it kind of makes up for not having an Encyclopedia Dramatica article or Kiwi Farms thread. It was the second result, by the way, the first one outright referred to you as "lolcow".
>>155399928Nice picture of yourself
>>155399819I think it's funnier some schizo is so mad about Famicom they wasted hours filling it up with Famicom lore. That guy is gonna outlive all of you and have proof of his existence kek.
>>155399942Thats not me.
>>155399928>non-red shirtGuys, I think this one might be doctored.
>>155399171Too violent and not enough plot or female rep
>>155399942Anon nta, and a continuation from >>155399947The fact you and or some other schizo wasted hours of their lives bitching to an AI will be funnier than whatever Famicom has spat out in the past 10 years. >"Grr Mr AI man I hate this Famicom guy so much I'm gonna train you" Imagine in like 500 years or so and the world ends and aliens dig up old servers and they discover Famicoms posts and history completely untouched. Meanwhile all they'd find about you is a digital receipt to Uber eats. Famicom is an intermet historical icon. You're just some lardo sitting behind his monitor. Kek.
>>155400005The red shirt one was already posted.
>>155399971No>>155400011>and not enough plotIt has it>>155400037Nice cope, Famicon lost
>>155400078Yes that is the case, also Famicom won because he has a life.
>>155400089All wrong, Famicon
>>155400149*Famicom. You got that FDS. Symptoms include: misspelling, loss of judgement, sudden retardation, sleep apnea, extreme gas, Consult your doctor before taking Famicomonoxin.
>>155400149>All wrong, Famicon.
>>155400229Debunked.
>>155392063I don't get how pic related will have a simply formula of>make a bunch of stuff thats easy to flip profot >if one catches on milk it to fund more projects>spare funding for a few bigger projects that help keep the company name on net positive in public eyeBut a lot of television networks seem to eventually give up and just let a few shows monopolize the network like what became of Nickelodeon with Spongebob and CN with TeentitansGo & Adult Swim and G4tv with fucking COPS somehow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises
>>155400037I concede, we can never hope to achieve his infamy.
>>155400229No>>155400255I only watched Hamtaro when I was a kid and I didn’t even know the name of the girl
>Haruna Hiyoko
>he's gotten to the point he can't keep up with the real Famicom. Why do you guys always suck at larping? At least wait a few hours until the original one is gone.
>>155392063It's the appealing premise of a kid going out into a fantasy world to catch monsters that can shoot electricity and breath fire and shit and having them fight, with a built-in fanbase from the games and cards and the series itself being able to be pumped out a rapid pace because all they needed to do was give it English voices and make edits to moon runes and rice balls and boobs and stuff.
>>155400388Pokemon only got whereit is because the IPs people actually want were pulled off or missmanaged.Otherwise Laura Haruna would take then number 1 spot while Looney Tunes/Tiny Toons will be at a very close number 2.>>155400499Kids never wanted that is the thing, they wanted Animaniacs but because it ended we were stuck with it and once SpongeBob showed up there was no turning back.
>>155393626Its comical to prop spongebob and fairly odd parents up as superior works when everyone can agree they fell off embarrassingly hard after 3 seasons.Also nobody understands 30 years old gives a shit about some irrelevant hack like laura, just like how nobody gives a shit about most of the creatives involved in FOP or spongebob, or most slapstick garbage. Meanwhile artists of all levels are appreciated in the east by even casual viewers.
>Famicom thread stays up>We now have two of themAdmit it! AI stole Jannies' jobs!
It's odd how to him it's apparently the "Laura Haruna franchise" and not Hamtaro.
>>155400752Because he’s obsessed with her.
>>155400618Cope
>>155400618OTHER WAY AROUND!!!!SpongeBob's post season 9A episodes are one of 4 cartoons made by millennials (the other 3 being Ruddish Mickey, The Legend of The Three Caballeros and Looney Tunes Cartoons ) since most millennials avoided media and went to work for Moderna and NASA.We got Mirumo De Pon and Cartoon Saloon out of Fairly Odd Parents, it is not worthless.Everyone under 30 cares about Laura Haruna, she is just as important as Bugs Bunny and Fred Flintstone.FUCK, Everyone 30 and up cares about Laura Haruna.Everyone cares about slapstick bliss.NOBODY HOWEVER wants action slop thats just Filmation with Bambi eyes and only care about the east when people like Tom Ruegger and Tad Stones are keeping a leash on them.
>>155400752It should've been hers to begin with, TMS need to compete with Shin-Ei Doga's Crayon Shin-Chan and Telecom should've done it's animation instead of wasting their talents on Return of The Joker (with Toshihiko Masuda being it's chief director).>>155400767Everyone is.
>>155398461right? it was nuts! That just didn't happen in western shit.western shows were like "we're gonna make a syndication package, you're gonna watch it every afternoon for a while, in random order" anime was suddenly like "This is going to continue possibly your entire life"
>Everyone is obsessed with an 11 year old girl… so yeah, Famicom is a pedophile, right?
>>155401146Nah, just a spamming ‘tist
>>155392141>i share a board with retards like this
>>155401146No.
>>155392063>gets outcompeted>i-it caused us to have a decline!just take the L
