People who studied shit that actually matters can't get jobs and here's this bitch crying that no one will pay her to make cartoons.

some of the most successful people in the world dropped out or never went to university.
the key is already having tons of money from your parents so you cn create your won stuff.

>>155393965
Bro just ask your parents for some seed money and create an indie animation

>>155393965
Imagine going to the best animation school and coming out only able to draw beanmouth.

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>>155393965
>Can't even go indie because I'm not rich enough to hire people and not seasoned enough to animate, write, voice, and edit it entirely myself.
I can practice and still do but let's be real, we don't have much time. I genuinely believe there will be a massive population culling within 5 years
I feel like I have nothing else except my shitty janitor job

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>>155393965
According to an ex-mine, it’s bad, really bad. The industry was already going down the toilet, but COVID and AI basically hammered in the final nail. Everyone working in the Industry knows it.
At this point, the only shows still getting views are either mindless crap made to keep toddlers occupied while their parents get a break or nostalgia bait aimed at older millennials. Everything else is fucked. And the studios have figured out that, instead of actually investing in original animation it’s cheaper to import anime and increasingly korean and even chinese content

>>155393965
It's fucked for the people getting weeded out by the contraction. It's great for those who soldier on and make million-dollar campaigns on kickstarter.
Art has never been a career of guarantees. It's nuts how many people were deluded into thinking otherwise.

>>155394086
The indie scene can't rely on kickstarters forever. Imo, the indie hype is a honeymoon period that will also implode (the large budget ones, there will of course still be hobbyists)

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>>155393993
Legit just went today to get my stem degree and my other legal papers and I've never understood the meaning of the word surreal until today
I've been trying to get an internship for the last three months, university and high school have already started and my body feels heavy and guilt packed because I'm used to the daily routine now.
My mom's going to kill me if this lasts any longer.

>>155394119
I wonder how parents are actually going to cope with the shitstorm brewing. A lot of genz and young millennials cannot find work and it probably won't get better for a while.

>>155394086
Can you blame them, college was sold as a guaranteed life final step, you had people being the last in their physics major class get an email desk job two weeks after graduation and getting an appartement six months later.
We were told that you should do something you love and you're talented in, art fags did that and got screwed, and even people like me who were cynical and went for the money major like computer science and computer networking got pranked by the industry.
I should've been a barber man.

>>155394144
WHY CAN'T THESE KIDS STOP EATING AVOCADO TOAST AND PULL THEMSELVES UP BY THEIR BOOTSTRAPS!??

>>155393965
Years ago my brother told me his daughter was going to Ringling and I said if she was doing animation I'd honor kill her (she took the commercial illustration path).

>>155394168
>Years ago my brother told me his daughter was going to Ringling
The circus?

>>155394164
I'm literally the stereotypical autist, perfect grades never went outside, breezed through college without attending a single party or having any trouble, I was programmed to just study until I work and I had a single one month internship last summer through nepotism and they give me nothing to do because and I quote
>You'll just waste time we all have enough tokens for this project, just sit there and check the bugs after we finish

If you went to school for animation you failed as a cartoonist/artist and as a person.

>>155394184
Does this count the successful college grads of the 90s and prior?

>>155393993
I'm a butcher and I can't stop getting hired.
Maybe it's time you start wondering what jobs REALLY matter and get your hands dirty.

>>155394176
May as well be

I did a 2.5 year IT bachelors/masters degree program where you don't get breaks, 2 semesters in the summer + 3 regular semesters. Took a job from a friend of a professor, after a year applied to a medium sized service provider for businesses. Moved to an area with a lot of jobs like SF or NY and took a basic support position, covid happened and everyone got let go on my team but me. Company got bought out and now I have an extremely comfy wfh job where I barely do shit besides occasionally googling javascript. I am posting here in what I wore to bed, getting salary to join meetings where I don't even have to be on camera. More /g/ than /co/ job but yeah thats where money is.

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The current meme response from everyone in my life is that I should further my education
>You just have a license degree? Pfft, you have to get your masters, son, you already did half of the work, did you really expect three years to be enough?
Genuine sunk cost fallacy, by the time I'm done they'll tell me to get a PhD and when that is finished the only job I will be able to find is as a professor or a teacher to sell the Kool aid to gen Alpha

>>155393965
Why not put the animation studios in a cheap place?

why this idiots insist in put that in california or NY?

>>155394203
>"Stop hiring me! Reeeeee!"

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Going to university was the worst mistake of my fucking life
Learn to code, they said

>>155393993
How many people studie and get a degree there?
they really think everyone would be hire?

how many animation studios they think exist?

>>155394216
Talking to my family of boomers and x'ers is a nightmare regarding college
People still believe we live in the 80s

>>155394246
You were supposed to learn the warrior's code.

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>>155394215
>Took a job from a friend of a professor, after a year applied to a medium sized service provider for businesses.
That's or a project manager is my dream job, I did a lot of workshops because my sister forced me to do them and I'm better at problem solving and creative solutions and ideas than sitting down and coding
The problem I'm finding is that layoffs are happening so much and very few people retire naturally or leave because companies just use interns to fulfill their manpower needs until the project is finished
I just have to get lucky once, all I need is a six months paid contract and I will have what it takes to apply for a project manager, I maxxed out the Charisma stats and verbal skills I've never failed an interview, my problem is that I don't even get the chance to have one

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>>155394161
I flat out don't know what to do
I'm in 40k student debt for CS, can't find work and was rejected by the military for my medical history. I'm 31, live with my aunt who has 16 cats who shit everywhere and I'm tap dancing just to get hired as a fucking cashier.
I actually believe I should rope.
Only thing stopping me is the fact that I am determined to make my cartoon series despite sucking at art and writing. It's all I have left

>>155393965
>Litterally Calart
>Asian woman
>Animesque prixel-art profile
Nothing of value was lost.

>>155394315
Calarts is the most prestigious animation school in the country.
Hillenburg, McCracken, Genndy, and Alex Hirsch all went there
Why is the school so disrespected?

>>155394253
The worst part is I did everything they said I should, we do not live in a meritocracy.
I've had ai bitches and genuine dumb breaks get grades slightly behind mine and they are living it up, while I'm penalized for doing well
>But you were the first in your patch, how are you struggling? Did you structure your CV well? Have you mentioned your workshops and projects?
I wanna die, the families of the people who cheated expect nothing from their children while somehow I'm supposed to change the world's economy or make my own start-up out of nothing.

>>155393965
You think that's bad. At least the animation jobs died because the shows have sucked and people go do something else. Graduating into dead tech is worse because the tech is increasingly *more* in everything and the jobs are still there, they just aren't for you as an American anymore.

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History is sadly repeating itself and we’ve basically reverted to a 70s-80s style dark age, remakes, revivals, and reboots are our new equivalent to 80s toy commercials, poorly animated slop made to get easy money. Though the difference is that this time it’s more uncertain if this dark age would end, the 90’s creator driven renaissance began because of that whole toy commercial cartoon bubble starting to pop and stuff like Who Framed Roger Rabbit, The Simpsons, and Ren & Stimpy being highly influential and convincing executives that they’re profitable, and even those shows were all lightning in a bottle. What’s the most likely scenario I see that can end this dark age? A big reason why animation, and entertainment in general, is suffering is due to the mergers and the massive layoffs they’re causing, the most likely scenario I can see that can end this dark age is if the antitrust laws start cracking down on them and forcing conglomerates to break up and want to take more risks with their media.

Though even if that antitrust crackdown does happen, I’m just not sure if we even have enough skilled creatives these days to make any worthwhile cartoons, industry cartoons are obviously shit, but even without industry restrictions, zoomers just make Hazbin/Digital Circus clones, diet anime, or slice of life furryslop. I worry that a second animation "renaissance" would just be shit like that flooding the industry.

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I'm going to be extremely honest and sincere to a degree that I've never been before in my entire life.
I've started to become extremely sympathetic to actual, literal communism, not because I'm a commie but because I sincerely hope it fails and everything gets destroyed after we try it out.

>>155394108
>The indie scene can't rely on kickstarters forever.
I didn't say it would. The winners are those who are willing to take risks and adapt. As long as one has that mentality, it doesn't matter if kickstarter goes away.
The majority of animators who are crying are those who want a comfy studio job, while constantly badmouthing corporations and capitalism, all while losing money because they don't want to make anything that "caters to the chuds".
These people should not be "the industry". They are not industrious. I'm not crapping on all of them, but they have made their beds. If they choose to roll over and die, that's what's going to happen.

>>155394373
The truth is that this is the natural state of television animation. Limited animation, big IPs, toy cartoons, etc.
Animation can only thrive in the theatrical realm. Problem is that 2D animation is all but dead in American theaters.
TV cartoons are beyond saving and we need to stop trying to turn it into something it wasn't meant to be. The theatrical animated feature is what deserves our attention

I make pretty good animations using Novelai designs then animating in Grok. I’m using programs to create music, Eleven Labs does pretty good voices. I didn’t have to live in California, I didn’t have to spend crazy money to go to university. I’m learning editing from YouTube and it’s coming along pretty good. I have 1.8 million views and over 12,000 followers across my platforms and earn about $3200 a month across my patreon and other like services.

These idiots like her hide behind their professional victimhood and use their degree as a shield. They also think they’re above getting real jobs so boo hoo some more and become like the dinosaurs.

>>155394446
>The winners are those who are willing to take risks and adapt.
The winners are those who come from money

>>155394452
>They also think they’re above getting real jobs so boo hoo some more and become like the dinosaurs.
Define real jobs.
Because let me tell you if you think the tech industry is a Jewish one wait until you hear how Sisyphean it is to get a plumber apprenticeship if your last name isn't the same as the boss's.

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>>155394333
It could be for any reason jealousy, butthurtness, Trolls, John K autist, dislike of current trends in animation, and in the current situation with the Dean of CalArts where they want the students to learn AI. You can cherrypick any reason but we're on 4chan so your going to get a bunch of opinions. Real Crab Bucket Vibes, or Schadenfreude Call it.

>>155393965
>Just how fucked is the future for the animation industry?
not just animation but any kind of art related job, really. 90% percent of it is going to disappear along the 2030s
>failing concept artist

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And talking about desk jobs, if you're not a female contender for America's top model, then might as well make an origami bird with your c.v

>>155394464
Nigga the guy who made Balatro was a fucking lower class nobody who got bored durring his vacation. Even fucking Notch who made Minecraft was a barely above middle class schmuck.

It's already retarded enough that you equate success and "winning" to having a shit ton of money and things, but if you aren't even willing to put in any of the work and just give up the moment your one and only job application gets rejected then that's definitely on you.

This is literally the problem with western animators and artist. They love to shout about entitlement and privilege but refuse to do anything unless there is a 100% guarantee they are the top turtle who barely does any work and thinks they are owed success because they made another shitty LGBT mock anime show.

>>155394503
Why the fuck is Calarts teaching prompting?

>>155393993
>shit that actually matters
Why are you here?

>>155393965
It'll all be AI slop soon

>>155393993
Nobody can get a job because we're in a depress--I mean AI is replacing all the jobs and we'll soon usher in a socialist utopia. Totally NOT because the economy has been contracting harder and longer than the great depression while being propped up by circular AI funding.

>>155394636
>Normalfag has yet to accept that stem majors are /co/ and /a/ fags, bronies are econ fags and tv anons are all accountants
Let me guess, you still believe your lawyer and dentist are not furries right?

>>155394608
Current President is an MBA and sucks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuCCFyaORUM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYf2Alus4jZ/

>>155394664
>Totally NOT because the economy has been contracting harder and longer than the great depression while being propped up by circular AI funding
Anti ai are the socialist sjws you retard, show me one pro ai leftist, hell every right wing meme in the last year has been an ai one, your shit posting used to have soul, now even the president is ai posting.
You are right about the contracting longer part but that started years ago, every company has like 20 people who actually matter and get paid well while the rest are just interns that get rotated more than your hole in the family gathering each Christmas

>>155394304
on the bright side you don't have to pay rent. if you're a neet just channel all your energy into your work, believe in yourself

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>>155394449
Since Warner Bros fumbled it with The Day the Earth Blew Up and Fixed, we only have one more hope in saving the 2D theatrical market…

Hope you like that furryslop bros

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>>155393965
>calarts

>>155394047
I currently animate but every day I regret not starting in 2012

>>155394503
>>155394333
Also
>People that go to CalArts keep start arguments in social media.
>and for some reason people that has nothing to do with calarts defend they, but attacking other thing, like talk bad about old cartoons to defend Steven Universe.

>>155394702
I don't know what the fuck you're sperging out about but you got a couple choices here:

1. AI takes all the jobs and we live off UBI forever.
2. AI takes all the jobs and we all fucking die
3. AI does nothing and we just set a bunch of money on fire for no reason.

And none of those things address the national debt, collapsing trade relationships, runaway inflation, or freefalling credit rating. The best thing you can do is get the fuck out of the US because this isn't getting fixed in 8 years.

>>155394719
>Witch dinossaur sassy

Well...we are fucked

>>155394176
Same people but it's an art school as well. It used to have a 100% placement rate meaning if you weren't graduating with a job offer in hand you had to be a real fuckup. The dude who made Hate Farm and now animates video game cutscenes is an alum.

>>155393993
It's funny how you're sold the idea of a college degree being a ticket to a succesful life, only for all of them outside of medicine to be worthless, so now people feel like they wasted years of their life studying shit they don't care about. When education is treated as a means to get a good job instead of also being an opportunity to grow as a person, you've got a lot of angry customers who feel like disappointments because of factors outside of their control (a shit economy for example). College is so fucking weird

>>155394203
>I do manual skilled labor that so far can't be practically automated
And you have every right to be smug as fuck about it. For now, at least.

>>155394524
>Nigga the guy who made Balatro was a fucking lower class nobody who got bored durring his vacation. Even fucking Notch who made Minecraft was a barely above middle class schmuck.
Poor people win the lottery sometimes too, doesn't mean it happens enough to matter.

>>155394702
>tourist NPC who's been programmed to conflate socialism with SJWs
>eats shit because Other Side hates it

>>155394817
>instead of also being an opportunity to grow as a person,
With all due respect you can grow as a person for free, it's more of a means of networking than anything

>>155394817
There are many jobs that require a college degree. You can't be an engineer of any kind without a degree, it's required for the license. Being a teacher requires a degree in most states, even though it pays like a high school diploma level job. Worst case scenario, you need a degree to be an officer in the military (which has seen record recruitment this year, probably because nobody can find a job). Many NGOs also require a degree for any position.
There's no shortage of jobs that require a bachelor's degree. Of course an associate's is indeed worthless.

>>155394817
>instead of also being an opportunity to grow as a person
God forbid you told someone in the late and early 2000s that you weren't in stem but god forbid, humanities.

>>155394817
I think the real problem is the current economic inflation where you couldn't support a family working at a McDonalds, and Mom and Pop Shop now and everyone in your family wanted you to have economic stability so they said go to College, only to unfortunately now be Holden by debt, and the inability to get a job due to Market Value on cutting corners, and infinite growth.
With the US having a shit minimum wage, and an economy to scrap by as the top 1 percent get to play oligarchy, through party funding and donations.

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The most bizarre thing I've seen as a recent college grad is the fact you have people in their 50's or 60's attending college. And when you ask them why they're going, they tell it's to "further their education". As if college is the only place they can learn this shit and the internet/random book about the topic doesn't exist. I honestly don't get it. Maybe there's a chance they just want to "get ahead" in life, but I doubt it

>>155394935
>And when you ask them why they're going, they tell it's to "further their education".
Well yeah they're not just gonna say it's to perv on girls a third their age.

>>155394246
>>155394304
>be me
>drop out in the 9th grade
>study using Khan Academy and Youtube
>get GED, start community college at 16
>government pays my white trash ass to go to college
>transfer to a 4-year, government still pays me
>graduate with 15k in unused government grants
>IRS internship right after graduation
>several federal offers
>now work at a cozy WFH job with 100k saved at 25
I legit thought I'd die poor. But I'm happy Uncle Sam saved me from the trailer park.

>>155394935
It's because employers are slaves to PR and as a result you MUST have a Master's because how else are we supposed to know that you know things?

>>155395016
>at 25
You lucked out by a hair, you are like the last Nazi scientist who got a deal with NASA, you're like the guy who was fired from the world trade center in the first of September.
I'm happy for you though, you deserve a win Anon and I hope you keep winning until you can retire comfortably

>>155394144
>young millennials
The youngest millennials are 29 years old

>>155393965
>>155393993
The animation industry being in shambles and nobody being able to get a job is just a symptom of the larger problem that is a massive recession incoming

>>155394935
>you have people in their 50's or 60's attending college
they're probably rich enough to afford it, easier to be spoonfed a curriculum than to teach yourself

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>>155395058
It feels surreal. My family dress up just to go to the local Chinese buffet because my parents thought that was high dining. Now I'm traveling and brushing shoulders with people who know Mitt Romney.

>>155394664
Maybe locking down all businesses for a cough wasn't such a good idea.

>>155393965
When I studied animation I once asked my teacher "How can we make sure the audience will like our work?" and he answered "Fuck the audience!"

Tells you everything you need to know.

>>155395388
>Then everybody claps
Do Americans in university even study other subjects in their major? Even in my English language and linguistics studies, we had entrepreneurship as a module

>>155395321
No we recovered from that just fine. COVID is a nice scapegoat but ultimately it amounted to one bad quarter. The other 24 bad quarters we've had since then are attributable to shitass fiscal and trade policy with two administrations in a row that insist everything's fine and nothing is broken.

>>155394880
>With all due respect you can grow as a person for free, it's more of a means of networking than anything
I'm not denying that, I'm saying that we value education itself (which is where a majority of someones growth as a person is) only in terms of what kind of jobs/opportunities it offers. Treating higher education as just a place to network (which doesn't even always work considering the job market now) is also really depressing.

>>155394894
>There are many jobs that require a college degree.
Sure, but that's not enough, clearly. So like >>155394216 said, you need to go further into education (and debt) if you even want a chance to get a job, hell you even have places deny you because you're too "overqualified" if you're trying to work at Mcdonalds or something.

>>155395708
That's why you tailor your resume to the job. Don't fucking tell mcdonalds you have a PhD. Tell them you're a broke neet that lives with his parents, because thats' who they want to hire.

>>155395418
>Do Americans in university even study other subjects in their major?
do you mean like electives? Those are required if you want to graduate.

>>155395438
Grocery prices already started going up right after lockdown and we are now experiencing long term effects.
Ukraine and Iran escalated things yet have been mostly used as an excuse for a downward spiral that has been going ever since 2008 subprime crisis and late 1990's desindustrialisation.
Low birthrates and aging population caused by 1980's antinatalist ideology also played a big part pushing up degrowth.

The only industries not facing massive layoffs are insurance and repo type agencies

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>>155393965
They deserve it. Even if the industry cartoons they made were complete failures, they would still gloat about working in Hollywood and abuse random people online trying to make things better.

That fantasy career needed to die.

>>155394119
Bro if you didn't have an internship before you graduated (like by the summer of your third year) you were never going to get an offer

>>155395732
>Tell them you're a broke neet that lives with his parents, because thats' who they want to hire
That just goes to show you the effectiveness of a basic bachelors degree
>too much for basic burger making jobs, so don't use it
>not enough for an "entry level" job that needs 5 years of experience, and more degrees
not to mention all the ghost jobs you receive as well as the fact most of these companies what to pass your resume through a bot first

>>155395805
You're not thinking longterm. You bust out the degree when it's time to get promoted to manager.

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>>155395829
>dude just be a wage slave for a few decades so you can have a slightly higher position and still have managers that shit on you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JsgrXyBZO0

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>>155394817
>It's funny how you're sold the idea of a college degree being a ticket to a succesful life, only for all of them outside of medicine to be worthless
No, they aren't worthless. They are incredibly valuable if you come from a low-trust hideous mess of a society, such as India, where you can effectively tell anyone "Yes sir I graduated from here sir" despite having never shown up or paid a dime, and that college will go "Yes sir he graduated from here sir" because, in some obtuse way, that claim benefits them. Two liars lying so that one of the liars may infiltrate a higher-trust society, where he will continue to lie, where he will continue to operate on low IQ sociopathic impulse.

This will continue happening over and over, because the obvious algebra of
>pay nothing for college
>get hired and bullshit through your job
>hire your relatives who also paid nothing and will bullshit
has a higher yield than actually paying for college, actually working hard, actually doing anything whatsoever in the country you actually grew up in. And if you believe what I'm saying has only affected the tech industry or something, you aren't just naive, you are delusional.

This is also why whenever an increasingly-large amount of people tell you to KYS for being such a heckin ally to the brown people all these years, all to fight back against the chuds (i.e. guys with values that reflect an older, traditional standard from when the USA was an enviable and respectable place to live) they are correct. Now watch this post vanish because the janitors on this dying website are exactly the sort of jeets I've described.

Has anyone ever been to an animation college? What was it like?

>>155395863
That is generally how it works yes

>>155394215
Got a graphic design degree and jumped through a few short jobs before the market really got fucked up and I just switched to a small IT company owned by a family friend. Guaranteed steady work because so many people still dont know how to use a fucking computer.

>>155393965
It's overdue a new startup company.

>>155393993
Someone’s seething

>>155394315
She will never want to fuck you.

>>155393993
Cartoons do matter.

>>155395097
>The youngest millennials are 29 years old
Those are zoomers

>>155395926
Hipsters abound

>>155396282
Zillennials

>>155394304
if you rope, the 16 cats who shit everywhere will miss you. and probably your aunt too.

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>>155394842
Either do something or shut up lol. There are ways to get what you want and more than enough people willing to bend over backwards for you. You still have to take action. Even if you don't become the next Disney, is it really that bad to chase the dream? You'll never reach your peak if you just continue to be a doomer fagot making excuses.

>>155394304
You keep fucking trying until you die because the alternative is dying and you're going to do that anyway.

>>155396405
What about the thousands of now dead union animation jobs

>>155393965
Cal Arts is nepobaby daycare. An actual good animation school is Gobelins.

>>155394053
How come anime can flourish? What excuse do the animation doomers make for the sustained global success of the Japanese animation industry?

>>155396510
Some of the calarts senior project animations are pretty good. But Gobelins projects are better.

>>155396560
>Some of the calarts senior project animations are pretty good.
Then they're forced to work on beanmouth show number 5000. Maybe it's for the best the industry is collapsing so they can actually use their talents.

I'm not sure why people want the complete collapse of the industry. Indie is not going to carry the weight. There needs to be an industry for animation.

>>155396535
>What excuse do the animation doomers make for the sustained global success of the Japanese animation industry?
Overworked and underpaid work force that can only exist in asian countries which is not sustainable.
There's also the saturation of the medium for every frieren there are 5k Isekai anime that look like western action cartoons and even worse

>>155396417
What about them anon? You know they are dead so stop looking at them and move on. Go find something else, go make something else, go do literally anything else. Either you find what you are looking for or you'll find what you are really looking for. Either way stagnating and doing nothing is never going to get you anywhere. It sounds like a load of basic bitch advice, and you are half right, "bee ur shelf an jusk dew et" is a lot deeper than it is. But the road people take are never going to be the same, but you have to accept that part and either take the path or go a different way.

>>155396641
Honestly I can't believe Overlord is as big as it is, shows just how bad shit has gotten. Frieren is the best thing I've seen in like 20 years.

>>155393965
first time ive seen such an unappealing asian

It hilarious how people just allow shit to die. The creators involved in the animation renaissance didn't give up on the industry. Why are people so quick to now?

>>155394119
Unfortunately, and they don't tell you this, you needed an industrial placement in the year before your final year, to have a chance at being employed at the end of it all.
You're expected to not just treat your job as a hobby but to live and breathe it, whilst also having time spare to do """normal person""" hobbies so the HR woman doesn't think you're a psycho she can't date even if she wouldn't ever date another employee.
>>155394144
They mostly get extremely aggressive when their children suddenly don't have a job, wife, car, house and promotion by the time they're 25, like their generation did. They refuse to look at economic conditions, the fact that they showed zero genuine interest in guiding their child into the world of work, and that they continue to refuse to ask how things work even to the point where an interview to them is a firm handshake and a family member saying "He's a good lad/lass" and an entry level job is walking dogs or washing cars.

>>155393965
should have been a doctor like your parents told you

>>155396671
She will never fuck you.

>>155396888
My Dad told me to become a computer programmer and that's exactly what I did. That was working out very well until recently.

>>155396641
Sounds like an excuse. If you aren't willing to work like an Asian slave for low pay, you shouldn't be working in animation. If these countries can do it, why can't the lazy American zoomers with no work ethic also do it? The reality of animation is it's extremely time intensive.

>>155396888
Wouldn't have worked because hospitals would rather hire Pajeeta.

>>155396679
People have bills and need to eat.

>>155396973
They want to make self-indulgent therapy cartoons using their OCs from middle school.

>>155396641
>5k Isekai anime that look like western action cartoons and even worse
How is that bad? It means there are plenty of jobs to go around. The fact that so many bad shows get made every year proves the Japanese animation industry is continuing to grow to flourish, otherwise studios wouldn't have budgets to produce 5k isekai and new seasons of Rent-a-girlfriend and rent-a-girlfriend knockoff.

Japan is providing the blueprint of what a functioning animation industry looks like in 2026. If American animators are too lazy and obsessed with unionizing to follow the Japanese example, that's on them.


There is zero global demand for Amerislop woke cartoons cal arts students create while there is big global demand for knockoff C-list isekai with cute waifus shows.


Western animators aren't merely lazy- their ideas aren't popular either, all Cal Arts students create are Steven universe knockoffs, or cynical deconstructions of magical girl shows.

>>155396890
thank god for that

>>155394817
>so now people feel like they wasted years of their life studying shit they don't care about.
Imagine if you found a girl and settled down.
Imagine being a boomer.

>>155397071
Keep telling yourself that when you cry yourself to sleep tonight.

>>155397094
>Imagine if you found a girl and settled down.
I did. We both love cartoons/anime and that's how we clicked.

>>155396671
>I've never seen an Asian outside of porn
Yeah we know.

>>155395863
>happy 50 years margaret!
Legit the most depressing thing about low wage work is noticing how old some people are and realising you can fail to "succeed" at life. That this can be the ceiling. And that you don't get to decide if it is.

>STEM, humanities and businesses are all getting automated
I should've become a nurse. Nobody wants a robot to take care of them.

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How has no one posted her art yet. This is amateurish for a post-grad artist

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>>155397200
That's almost 3 years old.

>>155397200
No that's pretty fucking good. It mimics the perspective of a wide angle lens which is a fairly difficult trick for people without experience to pull off.

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>>155397200
This is also her art

>>155397241
Good technique, no new or unteresting ideas. Many such cases. Sad!

>>155397200
No wonder she can't find work lol

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>>155397217
This is from this year. It's not great, and her portfolio is filled with animatics that look like they were made by kids. There's no technical skill here.

>>155397279
It's so generic, looks like shit your average artist alley scrub makes, and they didn't need a $50k a year degree to learn how to do it.

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For comparison this is some random twitter artist without formal training

>>155397299
What if I said the $50k degree didn't teach drawing...

>>155393993
this.
got laid off a couple of weeks ago. they gave me a 3 months heads up about it and only now I have been getting interviews. Before that I spent around 7 months unemployed.
Shit is hard everywhere.
>>155394203
People used to scream learn to code until people actually did and now the market is filled with coders.
Maybe you should keep your secure job to yourself.

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>>155397241
Feel like I could generate this by asking Grok “an example of work by an American animation school graduate, very Asian influenced”

If you choose to be actually original instead of be a copyist reproducing the latest trends, your art will always have value.

>>155397370
This. It's how to work on a traditional production pipeline, which is being retired as kids stop watching cartoons and AI slop overtakes entertainment in general.
It will have no practical use soon.

>>155393965
>It has been publicly acknowledged for 15+ years that the animation industry was hard shifting towards moving to Korea, China, or Latin America.
>It's 2026 and people still think that getting into the animation industry isn't a waste of fucking time
Aren't there tons and tons of videos of people who went to this very same school and said that it was a waste of time and money because the animation job market in the US is DEAD? Do people just not do their own research when it comes to what current job markets look like?
>>155393993
>People who studied basket weaving can't get jobs
If you aren't going to college for a STEM degree you're a fucking retard. Either go STEM or go into the blue collar trades
>>155394333
>Calarts is the most prestigious animation school in the country.
>Why is the school so disrespected?
Because it killed the US animation industry and it's a school for rich kids that was marketed towards socially retarded poors who didn't understand that you needed to know people in the industry in order to get hired or have enough of your own money to start your own studio
>>155394304
Go work in the trades like an electrician or plumber

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>bulk of the western animation industry is held up by stuff made for kids
>kids stop watching cartoons
>everything fucking collapses
>except for anime, which has a steady supply of stuff for teens and adults, with a time-tested pipeline of manga->anime adaptation
People were pushing for western animation to expand out of the child demographic for decades, it's the fault of suits for being retarded and refusing to listen. Vivzieslop and glitch shows are the last man standing because they're filling the void by targeting the hot topic teen demographic which was ignored in favor of the brilliant strategy of going all-in on the 5-12 age range. I'm so fucking glad I never decided to pursue a career in animation because the people running the industry seem like the biggest fucking retards on the planet.

>>155397370
Then it’s teaching how to work in a dead system instead of how to be an independent artist who can work on anything.

I had dykes screeching at me to help preserve the jobs of people like this, and they should be left to their poor choices with many blaring warning signs.

>>155397398
>Shit is hard everywhere.
I hear you. I had a decade worth of experience and worked for a AAA game company with plenty of people higher up the chain who'd vouch for me.
Took me 6 months to find a job. That was 2024, and I imagine it's even harder now. I'm hanging onto this job for deal life.

>>155397437
>Do people just not do their own research when it comes to what current job markets look like?
It's vastly different from just 3 years ago in ways nobody could've predicted when starting school.

>>155397454
hang to it brother. don't let go. I was making bank until the boss decided to cut all contractors. Now I only get ghosted or ignored.

>>155394333
Because the people that come from there nowadays are genuine leftists retards that will start arguments on animation twitter if you dare to critize their shitty media like therapy sessions and in general bad artstyles?

>>155397442
Kids in the west love anime too

>>155397454
Were you involved in a movie about certain islander robots and a certain game with lots of deployable walkers?

>>155395873
This. Unironically.

>>155397479
Thanks, I don't know what I'll do without it, so I'm starting a side business outside of work just in case. But everyone's starting something because of AI and it's hard to get noticed with all the noise, so I'm expecting it to flop and be pleasantly surprised of it works out.

>>155394817
Turns out that when everyone has a degree, nobody really does, all they did is add 4-5 years of highschool+ but this time with debt that will Hunt them forever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW86N0mc8lI
Don't know why this feels depressing I know its was essentially a showroom, but they still have a whole lot that now only for production work no animation.

>>155397454
>That was 2024, and I imagine it's even harder now.
Last I saw, something like 30-50% of all AAA devs had been laid off or currently laid off within the last 3 years.
>>155397476
In the case of Calarts and the US animation industry, its been a known factor for well over a decade that it is a waste of time getting into it due to how abysmal the job market is. A simple and quick youtube or google search would have saved this girl 4+ years and tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars. Though her parents probably paid for the thing to begin with
>>155395863
I heard that Amazon wants something like 90% of their warehouse work done by automated machines or something like that

>>155397442
Vidya animation has been on the up, when it's not mocap, or stock animations
Everything else, including anime, has been on the down

>>155393965
Why don’t we just start an indie animation studio that makes stuff we like? Who says we have to go work for some mega corporation, and be at the whims of their shitty corporate decisions

>>155397313
She's an average ex-tumblrina. Why does she feel entitled to a job in such a competitive and small industry

>>155397560
Mega corps are who fund animation

>>155397497
Where do all the right wing animators go

>>155397560
Or the Goverment funding like Australia with Glitch, and Lesbian Space Princess

>>155397525
>Were you involved in a movie about certain islander robots and a certain game with lots of deployable walkers?
I can't say what I worked on, but it was decided one day years in production to be used as a tax write off, and that was that.

>>155396679
Back the people didn't have anime as a viable alternative, once it came to the west it was the end

>>155397570
Damn. Why does animation cost so much tho, is it just their labor that they’re paying for or. Because you’ll hear about a single show costing MILLIONS

>>155397646
Usually adult animation pays 90% to voice actors and pay the outsourced workers pennies.
You could save a lot of money using real voice actors who'd work for much less instead of a celebrity who's already has more money than he knows what to do with.

>>155397603
Comparing animation quality of Disney Renaissance animated movies to contemporary TV anime that was coming out at the time is embarrassing for Disney. Westernslop was only able to flourish because audiences didn't have easy access to the competition. An average episode of Urusei Yatsura has better animation quality than Aladdin and Beauty and the Beast. If you compare good Japanese animation like Akira or Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust to the best western 2D animation, it's even more embarrassing for the west.

>>155397665
Right. Forgot about that aspect of it. Alright boys, some of us gotta get business degrees, others art school, and some take voice acting lessons, so we can build the avengers of kino toons productions, without the help of pedowood

>>155397646
>is it just their labor that they’re paying for or.
Ask yourself how much someone costs per year, you're allowed to lowball it
Then ask how many people work at the studio
Then ask do they have any support staff (cleaners, HR)
Then ask how much does the physical studio cost to rent
Then ask about software license prices, music licensing, voice acting...
Then ask about utility bills
Then remember you're not factoring in the salaries of those leading the studio

>>155397665
NTA but you're making it sound like animation for the last years has been used by the showrunners to build connections in their prefered celeb circles.

>>155397560
logistics
first it takes capital, maybe you can find some random millionaire who has a dream to make their own cartoon, but thats a real long shot
second it requires obtaining management and experienced veterans to even lead the project. how is that millionaire even going to know these people?
third, it requires building a team who are skilled and would be willing to work for below minimum wage in an already specialized skill with no chance there would be even more work in the future. most people would rather just leave the arts entirely than doing that. people got bills to pay dude
and with all that considered, it would not guarantee something that would be good in the first place, making the whole thing a waste of time and money for everyone involved. with how the internet is now, anything less than good is garbage

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>>155397681
Finally someone said it, white people suck and they were never on top, genuinely just end your pathetic western culture already, china and Japan have won so praise the Asian supremacy.

>>155397442
You could also add the fact that the western animation with has become a feminized estrogen factory that has no media that appeals to men and boys because the institutions in US were taken over by the woke cult, meaning that if you're born with a penis in west, your only realistic options for you are a few adult animations, anime and japanese vidya. And since girls always will prefer live-action over animated media, they're essentially appealing to no one

>>155397759
Sharom

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>>155397769
China is based and actually right wing because they dare to name the j men.

>>155394880
Its a means of networking
Yeah and all the people with connections realized this and no longer associate with trash who dont have connections themselves
That was never a long term solution
But people tried to act like it would be

>>155397747
>NTA but you're making it sound like animation for the last years has been used by the showrunners to build connections in their prefered celeb circles.
Am I necessarily wrong? Look at Invincible. They're getting random celebs to speak in their normal voices while the animation quality takes a nose dive. I can't give them the benefit of the doubt their main objective is to make a good show.

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>Kill your own industry and support with self inflicted wounds.
Good job, Bozo.

>>155397766
>>155397442
Now that I think about it, isn't Space King filling that market? Their recent Kickstarter is a total success with millions of dollars

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>>155397781
Yeah now the trash is still around to haunt them every step they take to recover from their myopic and narcissistic decisions.

>>155393965
>rich nepo born in Hong Kong
>could have gone to Japanese anime school or Gobelins
>chooses Cal Farts instead
>whines

>>155397560
Anon all these people are doomers who don't want proof that their dreams can be made real in any capacity. They either want to be little victims or are so spoiled that anything lower than Supreme Ruler is an insult to them. Look at all the excuses they keep making about "funding" and "demographics" as if any of that shit matters in the slightest. The simple fact is they don't want to be who they say they want to be or do what they say they want to do. They want to be cry baby victims and thats it.

>>155397791
I'm not calling you wrong. I am more like "this sounds suspiciously plausible".

>>155397863
Oh, my bad anon.

This art fucking suuuuuuucks

>>155394053
what if they start nostalgia baiting older zoomers? could that work?

>>155393965
Hard to say, job opportunities in animation have always been limited. People aren't retiring in huge numbers in that field

>>155396535
Merchandises sales is what keeps anime's afloat

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>>155393993
Animation is the heart of American culture, it matters a lot.

>>155394053
You're right. The most popular things that can even be considered "TV Shows" are legacy IPs like Spongebob, Phineas and Ferb and Teen Titans Go.
The biggest problem is the 6-11, a once very strong and reliable demographic, doesn't watch cartoons anymore. That's what the majority of cartoons were primarily targeting, and if that age bracket isn't watching, everything falls apart. Plus their minds are turning to mush with all the slop constantly shoved down their throats by the algorithm. They can't pay attention to a simple silly 11 minute story anymore.
They're playing Minecraft, Roblox or watching shitty influencers on Youtube. When they get older they start watching "longer form" content like TV shows with an actual story and narrative, but they also favor anime over western stuff.

>>155398194
That goes for all animation tbf

>>155398236
You posted a movie the 1970s that was literally about dismissing America’s history and heritage. your not really helping your case.

>>155393965
It's genuinely over

>>155393965
the whole point is to network and build connections

>>155398300
This used to be true about past shows, these days I'm not so sure what keeps animation afloat. I know Rick & Morty has a lot of merch but what about everything else? Does "Common Side Effects" have any merch? King of the hill?

>>155394373
>we’ve basically reverted to a 70s-80s style dark age
So, we're in this for basically 20ish years until whatever future version of 90s golden age comes about?

>>155398311
I don't think thats what Coonskin was about

>>155397241
she went to calarts drawing like that? did the standards lower over the years?

>>155398385
What's wrong with it

>>155394935
This happened in Monsters University

>>155398385
Calarts demands that you are skilled to get in but will destroy your abilities overtime

>>155398254
>When they get older they start watching "longer form" content like TV shows with an actual story and narrative
That's exactly what a lot of showrunners were pushing for, only to get told no by executives. The western animation industry is a victim of retards who fucked it up on purpose because they thought that the purpose of animation was to shit out cheap garbage for stupid kids despite everyone around them telling them that isn't sustainable.

>>155398254
I was a tutor for a while and you’re pretty spot-on. Kids just aren’t watching TV or cartoons anymore; they’re on their phones or laptops. Even when they aren’t brain-rotted, they’re mostly watching anime and even older Western animated works, but nothing modern.

>>155398411
Characters clash with background

>>155398451
>they thought that the purpose of animation was to shit out cheap garbage for stupid kids despite everyone around them telling them that isn't sustainable.
They fortunately found the right people for the 90s and never understood why those shows were popular. Which is why they keep bringing them back for revivals and never including the production crew that made them classics in the first place. Look at what happened to Animaniacs, Tom Ruegger was more than willing to come back but they said no, only for it to fail.

>>155398156
zoomers watch shonen slop though.

>>155394742
>I regret not starting in 2012
this but with digital art in general

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>>155398385
The portfolio that she submitted looks fine. She seems like a skilled traditional artist. But after 4 years from one of the supposed best art schools, I'd expect her art to look better than this. The creativity was sucked out of her. >>155397279

>>155398385
She's a wealthy Hong Kong nepo baby.. cal arts is all nepo babies now

>>155398530
Really?

>>155398473
>Even when they aren’t brain-rotted, they’re mostly watching anime and even older Western animated works, but nothing modern.
That's one silver lining to this generation of parents. They're millennials, probably the most nostalgic generation around now, and you bet your ass they're showing their kids the classics they grew up with.

>>155398489
shonen kino

>>155398477
How so, dark colours against a bright background makes them stand out more
>>155398451
Making animations for adults doesn't pay off either, animation for stoners has the best track records when it comes to profit

>>155394009
How much money?

>>155398552
>Making animations for adults doesn't pay off either, animation for stoners has the best track records when it comes to profit
Only because they refuse to make anything but shitty Family Guy ripoff that get 1, 2 short seasons at best. Always with celebrities who can't voice act and trite political observations.

>>155398580
It's usually made by comedians you've never heard of who aren't even animation fans and only went that way because they wanted it to be cheaper to produce than live action. Which is why the animation is abysmal and they try to play it off as "ironic" or whatever.

>>155398552
>Making animations for adults doesn't pay off either, animation for stoners has the best track records when it comes to profit
the best track record is anime. serialized stories for ages 12+, the exact thing that plenty of people were begging to do for years but were told no

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>>155398311
>depicting white women violently rejecting the sexual advances of stinky nons
>dismisses America's history and heritage

At least she didn't go to SCAD

>>155398345
…..
…in a dead industry
Then y’all wanna bawl like you’re little princesses and the populace will rally to fix your careers

>>155398631
>the best track record is anime. serialized stories for ages 12+, the exact thing that plenty of people were begging to do for years but were told no
They don't even need to be inappropriate for younger ones. Some kids would still watch, even if they don't get everything out of it.

>>155398632
Do you genuinely think it was based and conservative? It clearly wants us to sympathize with the blacks. I bet you think George Carlin would totally be against ‘wokeness,’ rather than recognizing him as the liberal capitalist puppet he always was.

>>155393965
This is practically any job after any education. I went to school for computer shit and you know who else did? Every goddamn person of my generation so we had more applicants than jobs.

>>155398580
Did you watch Monkey Dust? Scavengers Reign? Inside Job? Pantheon?
>>155398631
We're not talking about anime, leave that out of the conversation.

>>155398704
Exceptions to the norm.

>>155398530
Calarts was always a bunch of nepo babies that knew that they needed to network with one another. Vast majority of high end colleges these days are just centers for networking with future business partners. What changed was the fact that a bunch of POORS started entering the school without the knowledge that the school was really only there for connecting with rich people or people who were already in the industry, but only wanted to hire people that they already knew in some capacity

>>155398680
>It clearly wants us to sympathize with the blacks

What it wants and what it gets are two different things. It's why so much of our media now has people sympathize with the villains, because people that are depicted as villains in fiction are often the good guys irl, and the people you're meant to sympathize with aren't

>>155394695
>Give Indians computers
>they ruin the whole world.

>>155398725
>It's why so much of our media now has people sympathize with the villains, because people that are depicted as villains in fiction are often the good guys irl, and the people you're meant to sympathize with aren't
I miss when this was a twist.

>>155398704
>ignore the animation industry that is currently thriving that doesn't count

Will the industry ever return to normal?

>>155393965
CalArts is just a daycare for privileged young adults who coast off mommy and daddy's money. I can't see why any regular person who struggled a day in their life would would ever sign up to earn a degree from that dump.

>>155398747
No. 90s kids and the kids of today consume content in completely different ways. The youngest have internet with unlimited content to watch and choose from. AI allows anyone to make "content" specifically catered to them or anyone else. Kids get bored easier and can just watch something else with a single swipe instead of being forced to a TV schedule and settling with whatever's on.
This is the biggest problem, because nothing has the opportunity of being given a chance. Something doesn't immedietly appeal to you? Swap to Minecraft funnies number 213778 by obnoxious screaming influencer number 137345 because it gets the point across instantly, instead of needing the viewer to invest in something to get everything out of it.

>>155398541
You can't send your kid from Hong Kong to study at Cal Arts unless you're rich as fuck.

>>155398704
The global success of anime and shows like Bluey proves that animation isn't dead. It is only American animation that is flopping and failing.

>>155398725
Okay, but you acknowledge the film’s obvious intention and message. Anyway back to the point at hand, what you claim is the heart of American culture is mostly shit from the 1970s. That’s true of most things for the rightists and leftists, their politic and ideas, can be traced back to the 1970s

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>>155398747
if you un-invent social media (including youtube) then yes.

>>155398529
>21 years old and looks like that
>will look like a granny by the time she's 30
Bish should've stayed in Asia

>>155398869
I think everything, not just animation, would be better off. I was happier not knowing about how fucked the world was with new evidence every single day.

>>155398385
>>155398529
I think one issue out of multiples, is at CalArts, they don't take into account for other relevant areas of art that compliment animation. I think they're obsessed with "technical" strong neutral drawing skills.
But animation requires other disciplines under the general umbrella of drawing. It requires cinematography, timing, spacing, and especially weight control and manipulation and movement. Exaggeration and over exaggeration at key parts.
Some of them are good at rendering and painting, but I think at some point, loading up all these extra skills is a detriment, especially from a talent pool potential.
I think one reason we see faux-anime and such dead corporate styles is partially rising is because they've gutted out any alternative, authetinc or stylized artists and styles in favor of hyper-technically correct artists with almost no personalized style and then probably not taking into account artists.
I don't think there's going to be many wild-card or unique artists in the mainstream anytime soon either. And that may fall on "indie" but I am doubtful, because YT fucking HATES animators with a deep seeded passion with their shitty algorithm that rewards the shittiest of metrics for the laziest fucks imaginable.
There's also been some scandals behind the scenes recently too at CalArts if I recall with the Dean or President or something. And at SCAD as well.
It doesn't help tuition is like 250k+ for 4 years, when you could get a different degree in even low level STEM and have a better return on investment.
>>155398716
>>155398805
This too. It's very upper class, if not elitist types, and they have some of the most boring, inexperienced takes imaginable. Art wise and story telling wise. Soulless would even be applicable.

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My country stopped dubbing western cartoons after 2020 because of your gay and blasphemous content.
Apparently China, Korea and France are still making cartoons but they're just less popular and more kiddy in their plot lines.
Have you heard of Heroes inside, Sasha and Milo, Jade Armor, code name x

>>155398932
>My country stopped dubbing western cartoons after 2020 because of your gay and blasphemous content.
I think being bad shows on top of all that is also a good reason.

>>155398932
Good. American media hegemony is absolutely pozzed, politicized, and retarded. The whole zeitgeist currently is obsessed with DEI representation at the cost of all the rest of the parts of story telling and entertainment.

>>155393965
It’s fucked because the talent pool is women like this

>>155396873
>They refuse to look at economic conditions
They mostly ignore the unchecked immigration which reduces wages and inflates housing prices, because as older established people who own business and houses they directly benefit from increased housing prices and depressed wages.

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>>155397364
Great sad story

>>155398869
I'll be right back, gonna build a time machine
Wish me luck, guys

>>155397062
Most animators in Japan are freelancers anyway.

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>>155399009
Partially this. It's the same with the gaming industry. All the initiatives to push women forward who really shouldn't be pushed forward, at the expensive of the hyper autismo men who used to make up the bulk of the industry. Same with the bulk of DEI, including lgtbq and minorities.
>https://wearewia.org/
>https://www.womeningames.org/
It doesn't help they let them fail upwards, and then the whole industry is very much humping after DEI initiatives that benefit them solely, as men are the sacrificial totems.
If I recall too, a lot of universities are freaking out because men are abandoning higher education because of the open hatred and bias against them, and the plan was to more women into college while shitting on the men, and now the men are leaving wholesale.
It's also telling that the industry is almost solely and purely an ideological homogeneity. They gutted any and all opposing voices out, and they're swimming in their feminized hugbox "purity" chambers without anyone saying "maybe this idea isn't so good" or "why are there so many gay characters", or "maybe it's not wise to have annoying girlbosses".
It also doesn't help, they abandoned the make audience wholesale, and then Disney is freaking out because for the past 10 years, it was all "the future is female" and then the actual fans left, leaving a giant male shaped hole of money in their bank profit margins. What you see now, is males then spent their money and time viewing anime and manga, where their media isn't male humiliation ritualism, and actually doesn't demonize them and their "male gaze" or interests.

>>155398863
>what you claim is the heart of American culture is mostly shit from the 1970s

When did I claim that lmao? America invented animation in the early 20th century.

>>155397766
This is why RWBY failed.

>>155399018
>They mostly ignore
"How dare you, those brown people make great food and are the best coworkers, and they're needed for selling things to and working with other people of their own kind, and don't you dare suggest that's a part of the problem, why if I had to choose between hiring one of them and my own son I'd throw you overboard for such racist rhetoric!"

>>155397062
>Amerislop woke cartoons cal arts
Some people are eternally stuck in 2016. Sad to see.

>>155399319
Nothing has changed since then, that's wjy.

>>155399393
anon those cartoons aren't even being made anymore. in fact nothing is being made besides animated sitcoms, capeshit, toddler stuff, and indie stuff.

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>>155393965
Get a REAL job lazy bitch

>>155395172
It's 995 wannabe Communists refusing to actually do work in hopes that communism will give them cushy 6-figure jobs any day now.

>>155399506
There are barely "real" jobs anymore.

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>>155394053
Fucking dead really

COVID was kind of a boost but the jump to streaming removed all capacity to make money off short form media. The Various Actor, writer, and animation strikes in 2023 fucking buried it.

Important people with decades of films and high profile gigs that made hundreds of millions cannot get any work in the last 3 years.

>>155397759
fuck off shitskin

>>155396535
Anime is draconian work that pays slightly above minimum wage for skilled labor at around 60-80 hours a week and tends to burn out or kill the employees doing it.

>>155393965
Same as it ever was

>>155399588
Sounds just like the typical full time American job.

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>>155399506
When the goyim think they "deserve" life outside of coal mines and battlefields

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>>155398716
Calarts exists for the networking, not the training. You go there to rub elbows with nepobabies and children of important Hollywood people that are guaranteed to fall ass backwards into success and land things like directing gigs for their 22nd birthday. It's not about learning the trade, it's about making the right friends.

The school is basically the world's most expensive daycare center for children of producers, actors, and directors to doodle anime and looney tunes.

>>155394176
The very same.

>>155399632
This. CalArts might be the only school in America where it could suffer a shooting and everyone else would just go "Well earned"

>>155399529
There are plenty, you are just a lazy worthless communist looking for a handout.

>>155399625
poor or rich, nobody wants nepobaby developed cartoons with intentionally ugly artstyles. in this instance getting a real job is doing yourself a favor over chasing a dream in CalArts

>>155398529
You're conflating art with animation. They're completely different fields of study. It'd be like asking why an engineer is so bad at theoretical mathematics.

>>155394216
>>155394215
In my area getting into the craftsman jobs was/is terrible. No one wants to hire you unless youre journeyman, you cant be journeyman without a mentor, tradeschools are full delinquent drop outs who promise a mentorship which doesnt happen, and craftsmen you personally know act only are interested in training their own children and act like youre after their pot o gold if they are to take on a student. They have zero interest in providing skilled personel for the future.

At least in my area. In the Midwest I heard the trades are better respected.

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>>155399722
the thing is being skilled at art is necessary to be really good at animation. you know it helps with understanding anatomy, perspective, design, lighting, and even composition.

>>155393965
So if she got like an actual degree with a real career field behind it there would be no problems here.

Animation is a hobby for rich kids who have daddy to pay their rent and buy their groceries.

>>155399663
Is that why you're posting on 4chan on a Wednesday afternoon?

>>155399762
You don't need to be highly technically skilled to animate, and animation requires a different modus set of skills than drawing, but drawing does obviously complement animation heavily.
Consider stop-motion, clay-mation and 3D animation. All can be accomplished without little or any drawing skills. Hence, animation skills are a skill-set unto themselves.

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>>155394304
You should do what I do continue living and striving for the day when you can have your revenge. Your revenge can be an undeserved kindness to society or neglect or a malicious but lawful act. We all may grow old but they are getting there faster, they will reap what they sew and you can be there to make it so much worse. All you need to make it to tomorrow is a little food, a little water, and the knowledge tomorrow will always come.

Vote to abolish social security until the boomers have died off then bring it back, is what Im saying.

>>155399830
no but you need to learn the fundamentals to avoid easy mistakes such as fucking up perspective. in the other mediums you describes you also need to take this into account maybe not as much as drawing in 2D but you need to have it on the back of your mind

>>155399730
This is also what happened to the animation industry. You have to get in on a gig somehow when people only ever want seasoned experts. Making a newcomer incapable of getting any job at all anywhere. Getting the needed experience means somehow making a friend in a higher up somewhere in the world and getting on a decent profile job, not anything will do. hiring managers have to have heard of the thing you worked on so most YouTube projects will not count.

At the same time, getting that apprenticeship is incredibly hard since for some reason the expert guys, including the ones that charge for it, have this impression you are trying to steal their universe and everything they own so they are not as willing to teach shit.

>>155399875
Again, you don't actually need to know how to draw to understand perspective.

>>155394702
The anti AI stuff is supported by China, who wants to be the leader in AI. They do this to everything they want to monopolize, actually. Factory work, nuclear power, IP theft, and imposing sovereignty on third world nations are other examples.

>>155397437
STEM degrees dont get you a job either. Not unless you got the right school and right degree. I think gender studies have a higher income and hiring chance than CS students right now.

>>155400054
Let them win and ruin their own country before they even get a chance to target others.
Not our problem.

>>155400086
How did CS grads get cucked this hard?

>>155395418
Depends on the state and the college. Some demand you have writing and communication classes some do not. Some recognize courses taken from different colleges some do not.

Ive learned that most people have drain plugs in their skulls that they can pop open after getting out of these colleges and the parts of their brain that held literacy and writing spill out.

>>155400187
Because there's been a mad rush ever since the late 90s and the dot-com bubble to shove as many people into CS as possible.
Then corpos began to outsource almost all CS work to Scam-poo-ligans, who then in turn hired each other exclusively (and then they have the fucking audacity to cry discrimination when there's no jobs left for them).
Wonder why like 3 out of 4 times you call tech support it's Jeets?
Doesn't help too, that DEI and feminists pushed foids into CS because "muh industry gender gap" bullshit where not enough wahmen were in CS.
Coding is now outsourced to Jeets who already did a shit job, and now AI can do a large bulk of the work.

>>155396535
Anime flourishes because it was marketed as "adult shows being heavily edited for kids." very early on. You have idiots to this day who think shows like Yu-Gi-Oh and Naruto are made for adults so they feel comfortable embracing anime while even well respected shows like Avatar, BTAS, and Gargoyles will only ever be viewed as good by cartoon standards. They're not viewed as good works in their own right they're viewed as good despite being cartoons. Its also why we rarely see genre cartoons for adults that don't market themselves as anime.

Adult animated sitcoms like The Simpsons escape this mentality but they're still often looked down on.

>>155400111
Given how a large portion of our debt and terrorism problems stem from China trying to conquer the world through corruption and bad trade practices I would say that is, in fact, our problem. They dont need AI to help murder what little creative they still have, they have guns and falling buildings for that.

AI is our toy! We shouldn't let them steal our toys because they do that dirty, "oh that toy sucks now" trick!

>>155400582
I'm not talking about creativity. I'm talking about machines turning against their creators first. Let it happen to China and let it be a lesson to the whole world that we shouldn't go that far.

>>155400451
>now
Its been happening for 20 years, in my experience. The concept of globalization is the heart of it and it convinced business owners that they don't need their jobs done well, just done. Failure can be managed in accounting. Lying about success is mandatory.

>>155400690
>Machines saying communism is bad and killing the PLA.
Well, when you put it that way.

>>155393965
Imagine having a job like this.

>>155393965
Imagine if wannabe animators were inspired by things that were good instead of anime dogshit.

>>155397542
>but this time with debt that will Hunt them forever
That's why I never went. I would rather be a minimum wagie without debt than one with debt.