The amount of damage the "Invader Zim Fujoshi" has done to culture is something that's not talked about, and it really should be. Let me schizo out for a minute here:in 2001, a show named Invader Zim was released. Its writing style, pacing, and humor was primarily non sequitur, ironic, sarcastic, and slapstick in a lot of places, to counteract the twisted elements in the show such as alien abduction and body horror.This show did not last long enough to go beyond a second season, but it still had a cult following, enough for its character 'Gir' to become enough of a mascot that in the 00's, it remained the face of "Hot Topic" for a decade.There was a contingent of girls who existed at this time, who typically dressed up in what was called 'alt' - light goth, dyed hair, arm warmers, etc. This was a measurable subculture in the West from 2002-2011. they had a disturbing amount of merch of said Gir character, and had one other weird trait; They liked to "Ship" characters together. Zim was the primary victim - often paired with Dib from the same show - but this 'gay pairing' obsession these girls had extended into things like Naruto and Pokemon as well. In *EARLY* Youtube before it became a place for its own shows, crappily made music videos with windows movie maker that were just a slideshow of Deviantart gay softcore was not an uncommon sight on Youtube. This was a thing that went under the radar for about a decade to most of the world, as there was still a contingent of people that were not digitally acclimated - which is why the South Park episode on these girls was NEARLY A DECADE LATE, but I digress.Fast forward to around the time these girls start graduating - 2009-2013... and the majority of these women make up the founding userbase of Tumblr.And from that we get things like:"Quirk Chungus Earthbound Inspired RPG with fur bait #30675"Hazbin HotelDigital CircusUndertale and Deltarune.
CONTI'm not speaking on the quality of these things or lack thereof.I'm speaking on:1- a measurably consistent "Spirit" or "Style" that all of these share that from just LOOKING at it, you can reliably predict what the writing, humor, and other content will contain. So much so it's a subgenre in and of itself. I call them "Zim Skinsuits," personally2 - The overwhelming - inevitably so - fate of over-sexualization of the entire fanbase.Fast foward 20+ years on from zim. These women are anywhere from 40-28 now.And where are they?Running all the HR and writing departments of all the game studios and animation houses you used to respect.Everything from the shitty trapppings of 'indie' to what people call 'woke' today, can stem back from these women, and the irreprable destruction (more accurately, stunting) of these ladies tates, writing skills, and humor.In essence, entertainment is overwhelmingly captured by self-repressed women whose writing skills have never evolved beyond 2006.This is why EVERYTHING feels like a self-indulgent middle school fanfic from the 2000's; BECAUSE IT IS.
>>155403379what
>>155403379Fujos existed long before IZ
>>155403379I'm going to need two jars of peanut butter for this one.
>>155403731This is true. However, they were not enough of a Western presence that they actively caused problems within culture as a whole. When people bring up "Millenial Writing", I look at these people and think""It's not that there aren't good millenial writers, it's that enough were allowed to proliferate without an ounce of criciism that 'millenial writing' became a thing.I call this demographic 'fanfic foids'
>>155403379I feel that you're in the right path but you're explaining what you're looking at, instead of what happened.While yes Gir became bigger than the show itself, literally appearing in a lot of spaces online and still does to this day. You're forgetting many people that liked Gir weren't fans of the show. They knew him as the "cute green dog" and i know this because that's how i learned about Invader Zim, since Gir kept appearing in Loquendo videos (as avatars or assistants) or in bootleg stickers and t-shirts. But the reason why he was so liked by these future dykes and trannies is because of his childish nature/looks combined with the series edgy/gory themes.
>>155404095I understand that. But that feeds INTO my point, actually. Most of the girls were 'tourists' - Think about the spats going on in Fallout between "Show" people, "Bethesda" people, and the OGs. My point is these girls had a 'tourist' level fandom with the shows of their era.And DESPITE THAT, that caused enough of a change in their formative years that it irreprably broke their tastes, writing, etc. Being a fan or not doesn't have to be mutually exclusive from the point I'm trying to address - I'm saying that the women and girls who are of the old "Rawr XD" gir-posting era circa 2007 are, OVERWHELMINGLY the EXACT. SAME. GROUP that:1 - Founded Tumblr2 - Make 90% of the 'indie' slop or latch on to said indie slop like a cancer cell3 - where able, are orverwhelmingly the writers/HR team of once beloved studios, be they games, animation or otherwise.And FROM that, things have proliferated out.It is the nexus point, like it or not, of everything from Cortana looking like Jerma to Morning Glory Milking Farm.They're the SAME women.Hell, Vivzie''s gone on record not even remotey shying away from the Zim influence; to the point that they hired Richard.The 'subculture' that zim created is the very same that is found in ALL of this, and thus my core argument that the women in entertainment today have not evolved their skills or tastes beyond 2007. And it is why everything feels like a self-induglent, goon-filled fanfic.
>>155403775why? you can just ask him, he's retarded
>>155404432He's advanced.
>>155404654>I understand that. But that feeds INTO my point, actually. Most of the girls were 'tourists' - Think about the spats going on in Fallout between "Show" people, "Bethesda" people, and the OGs. My point is these girls had a 'tourist' level fandom with the shows of their era.>And DESPITE THAT, that caused enough of a change in their formative years that it irreprably broke their tastes, writing, etc. Being a fan or not doesn't have to be mutually exclusive from the point I'm trying to address - I'm saying that the women and girls who are of the old "Rawr XD" gir-posting era circa 2007 are, OVERWHELMINGLY the EXACT. SAME. GROUP that:>1 - Founded Tumblr>2 - Make 90% of the 'indie' slop or latch on to said indie slop like a cancer cell>3 - where able, are orverwhelmingly the writers/HR team of once beloved studios, be they games, animation or otherwise.>And FROM that, things have proliferated out.>It is the nexus point, like it or not, of everything from Cortana looking like Jerma to Morning Glory Milking Farm.>They're the SAME women.>Hell, Vivzie''s gone on record not even remotey shying away from the Zim influence; to the point that they hired Richard.>The 'subculture' that zim created is the very same that is found in ALL of this, and thus my core argument that the women in entertainment today have not evolved their skills or tastes beyond 2007. And it is why everything feels like a self-induglent, goon-filled fanfic.>>>> Anonymous 09/09/26(Wed)21:39:43 No.155404432▶>>155404654>>>155403775>why? you can just ask him, he's retardedKek
>>155403379>Hazbin Hotel>Digital Circus>Undertale and Deltarune2/3 of these are made by males though?
>>155404692What?
I'm pretty sure that Jhonen Vasquez was inspired by the already existing goth subculture that was around during the 80's and continued on into 90's and early 2000's in the form of alt/emo. Invader Zim was popular with those kids for obvious reasons. If you're going to blame anyone for...whatever it is you're accusing them of doing you might as well start at the source and go after Beetlejuice? Nietzsche?
>>155404811I'm not.I'm rather, proposing that the chicks that got into Zim were the first case of "Skinsuit media"That being, while Jhonen may have been inspired by goth, a bunch of hormonal tween chicks spun a safe way to goon without being looked at weird like the weebs.That then became its on culture, one devoid of critique and pushback to the point that there's a very clear cut, measurable 'trace' you can draw to when it got twisted into this 'Gayboi quirk chungus' subgenre of 100% ironic and sarchastic, nonsensical writing.I posit these women do the same thing with *most entertainment writ large, what things like Fallout have been morphed into.
>>155404981>'m rather, proposing that the chicks that got into Zim were the first case of "Skinsuit media"Your proposition is incorrect. The phenomena predates 2002.
>>155405110This is true, however, the mass-proliferation that Zim onwards had due to the digital age has radiated out into culture as a whole.So this zombification thing is hitting every piece of IP.
