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>>155412203
I really liked how much Dreamer was workshopped in previous threads, but I don’t like how sexual it got. So I’m going to repost the idea minus the sex part.

>Dreams only exist around the person dreaming with everything outside of them being an undefined void.
>in order to remain inside a dream, Dreamer must camouflage herself to maintain the theme of the dream, or risk destabilization
>if discovered, Dreamer will be at the mercy of whoever is dreaming as the mind tries to reconcile the existence of a foreign element.
>the longer Dreamer stays in a role, the more the role rubs off on her, risking mental contamination or her forgetting what her original mission was
>if the dreamer is lucid, it becomes even more risky for Dreamer due to the potential for direct manipulation
>within these dreams, Dreamer’s primary goals are information gathering and the elimination of hostile dream entities

>>155412322
Some direct reposts from last thread

>Asking someone a question in a dream will have them automatically tell you the truth, because the mind thinks of an answer before deciding whether to speak or not. This gives her an advantage because she can ask anything she wants and immediately get a truthful answer.
>A dream only exists within close proximity of the person dreaming it, because people dream of scenarios and situations, not entire universes. This puts her at greater risk of being absorbed, but also means she can be close to her target at all times.
>Dreams are mercurial and fluid, and a single word out of place to the dreamer can change the dream entirely.

>>155412203
Here’s my pitch for Featherweight. She’s a former member of the league of assassins with an aura around her that mimics super strength instead of true super strength think Superboy. She left after seeing Damien’s success because she wanted to be rich and famous instead of hiding in the shadows. Once in the real world she struggled with a world that isn’t a meritocracy where you get respected for punching harder basically she’s a younger Booster Gold with a tendency to go for the kill

Take your meds.

>>155412767
This is a writing thread.

>>155412322
>>155412371
I feel like the Dreaming should consider her an interloper. She's an awake, conscious mind directly interacting with and manipulating someone else's dreams. That's got to trigger some kind of "the fuck you think you're doing?" response from DC's cosmology.

>>155412506
I don't know why but I love the idea that she's genuinely not smart enough to realize that her personal context is completely different than her cousin's and develops a chip on her shoulder about it.

>>155413261
Yeah. I really think that Featherweight should be a Booster figure in DC. A fame/social change seeker who is completely inept in an actual social environment because she was raised in a place as sheltered as the League of Assassins

>>155413261
I remember Supergirl having her use some kind of Dream Totem that represented her powers, and her needing to use it.
What if the Naltoran Dreamer is meant to be the guardian of the Dreaming against interlopers and by using her powers to interfere in dreams, Dreamer is directly violating her family’s cosmic duty that Destiny chose her for. Actually since the power is canonically a chosen one deal, what if her interference in the Dreaming causes a conflict between Dream, Destiny, and Desire

>>155412203
>There are no bad characters
Yes there is, if you to completely overhaul the character to the point of unrecognition then it was bad.

Also you guys are describing a lamer and gay sleepwalker

>>155413446
Not necessarily. It means the core concept was good. There are tons of characters who have been completely overhauled over time. Flash isn’t even the original Flash

>>155413515
Not necessarily. Sleepwalker has a directly alien appearance, a pacifist ideology, and was manifested via a dual identity. Plus he was a resident of the dream realm.
Dreamer by contrast is a human looking interloper in the dreaming who is regularly hunted for the use of her powers. Personally I think her current writing personality is pretty good with her directly seeking comfort and being forced into bad situations to the point where she almost welcomes ego death at points. But she needs proper enemies and a big story.
In some ways she’s almost an anti sleepwalker

>>155413365
>morally oblivious Booster Gold-esque figure who hasn't, and probably can't, figure out that she's actually a supervillain
Fund it.

>Featherweight here to save the day from these bigots!
>Jesus fucking Christ you murdered all those people!
>Trans rights are human rights! Why are you running away? Oh, I get it, spreading the word about the newest hero. It's Featherweight; you know, like boxing! Follow me on Bluesky! I've also got an Insta but don't really post on it!

>I don't get why everyone is so upset with me, I thought the Justice League was about justice and shit. It's in the name.
>You helped Gorilla Grodd and Professor Zoom steal a subatomic forceps device that allows them to lock quantum states in order to manipulate localized physics and somehow destroyed three buildings while doing so!
>Oh, I'm sure some fatcat billionaire is going to be so upset about his missing toy.
>CERN is not owned by a billionaire!

>>155413643
>Lex Luthor is builds a new power plant that is heavily polluting the surrounding area
>Featherweight (who was raised under Al Ghul environmentalism) decides the best course of action is to bomb it
>with everyone still inside

>”This is ridiculous, you can’t arrest me! Everyone hates Flock cameras, I’m doing the world a favor”
>”you took out half the city’s power grid and murdered five people”

>>155413756
>Look, I'm not saying people can't disagree with my beliefs, I'm just saying that they should expect lethal force for being so insultingly wrong about things. The truth hurts. Unless there is CNS damage.

>>155412203
>I think (x) [has] potential
Empty platitude that means nothing.

>so I’d like to workshop them.
Arrogance and unoriginality masked as constructive criticism.

>>155413867
Yes, yes, we all appreciate you took time out of gooning to child actor feet pics to give us your shitty opinion.

>>155413844
>What do you think of my new billboard? Pretty sweet huh
>I think it’s going to kill every epileptic that sees it
>eh, who cares. The weak die the strong survive, that’s just the way of the world
>…
>…
>are you a fucking social Darwinist?

YWNBAW

>>155412785
NTA, but if you care that much about writing, you wouldn't frame your thread with "everything has potential" or going on a spiel about trans characters being seen as bad.

Saying something "has potential" isn't praise. The statement itself only points out that what exists is lacking since anything when executed right can work. Complementary, this means that a seemingly intriguing hook can fall flat during execution, and the idea of workshopping someone else's idea carries with it a certain arrogance. Think about it; you are basically saying "I could write a better story" by writing only an elevator pitch. Often it's not the elevator pitch that fails (think of how many series out there have ridiculous premises that seem stupid when said back), it's everything that follows.

And I don't care if your feelings are hurt, but trans stories suck.
They categorically suck.
There are themes of dysphoria within stories that are intriguing and can be pulled off well, but stories of trannies suck when their identity is taken at face-valye instead of coded. Stories about dysphoria only really work if the conflict of self verses the outside world's perceptions is examined and challenged, because otherwise the internal conflict has no grounding. The trans movement lacks that because it's inherently contradictory, since the identities it's followers only affirm the gender roles it tries to dispell, leading to sexist implications. Because of this, trans stories don't exist for introspection, but affirmation to other trans people. Notice how many of them only ever revolve around someone denying their "gEnDeR iDeNtItY," because to them that lack of affirmation is the only conflict they seek to address, because the turmoil that dysphoria brings is never considered as having any sort of grounding against the main character's tRuE SeLf, and any doubt is just easily personified as some fat racist. It's not interesting when it plays out because it turns into power fantasies.

>>155413923
Very weird projection.

>>155413929
>Pfff, of course I believe in evolution; why would you think I was a creationist?
I'm imagining Damien being the unwilling Ted to her Booster because she keeps barging into his life due to learning family dynamics from Tiktok clips of 90s sitcoms.

>>155414077
Off day today? /v/ probably has something up to get you going.

>>155414105
Are you okay schizo?

>>155414131
Hey man, everyone needs a hobby.

>>155414067
Also it's a fictional setting. You don't need to make the main character, fake his gender. You're the writer, just make him a woman from the get go.

>>155414067
I find them actually quite interesting really.
Truth be told trans people are pretty hardcore and not by choice. Even when the whole world is against them they still remain true to themselves. That’s far braver than you or I.

Even so, regardless of the interesting dynamics discrimination can bring, I find the characters themselves interesting.
Dreamer, Galaxy, Coagula, and Featherweight are all fascinating as people, though Featherweight still needs some development

>>155414089
I see it more as an issue of Damien trying to do some level of PR/believing she’s his responsibility. His status as a Robin is what drove her to her “heroics” so it’s his mess to clean up

>>155414623
>I find them actually quite interesting really.
Truth be told trans people are pretty hardcore and not by choice.
OP you can just say you're a tranny, it's okay.
>Even when the whole world is against them they still remain true to themselves. That’s far braver than you or I.
You consider pedophiles brave? I also feel that you're subconscious is telling you something, if you think trannies aren't widely accepted.

>>155414780
I’m not trans dude. I just have a tendency to look into characters whenever /co/ says they’re bad. And usually I end up liking them.
I have a knack for seeing what is and isn’t working in a character. A lot of then, minus Featherweight are mostly working, but I’d still like to come up with some ideas. It’s less the arrogance of trying to impose my will on someone else’s story and more so just me enjoying playing with a concept

>>155414836
Alright serious question opinions on Miles Morales?

>>155414877
I find him interesting as a diametric foil to Peter Parker. In particular I wasn’t much of a fan of him until the first Spiderverse movie and I felt like the second dropped the ball a little with the focus on canon events. Really I feel like Miles needs to break away from Peter’s format a little bit overall I think he is defined by his two traits
>1. His desire for connection and diffusion of responsibility.
Unlike most marvel heroes, Miles doesn’t have a unique identity and that is actually a core part of his identity. In a fundamental reversal of Peter Parker who pushes people away in order to protect them, Miles Morales is terrified of being alone and possessing the sole responsibility of a matter. He is fundamentally a team player who feels most at home when in a group where he doesn’t have to be the one in charge.
This reversal is also reflected in their names.
Peter, much like Saint Peter means stone. He is a leader, hard and unflinching in his dedication to responsibility. Parker means of the park, showing that this responsibility is to New York and its people.
Miles by contrast means soldier as in good soldiers follow orders while Morales speaks to morals. In other words he is the good soldier content to follow the crowd while attempting to maintain his personal morality

>>155415007
You failed the litmus test you're a tranny.

>>155415073
By that logic I could accuse you of being a Scientologist. One’s interest in media does not gender make.

>>155414623
You didn't even read a single word I typed you self-absorbed, tranny faggot, and that's really the core of it. You creatures don't care about making good stories or humoring anything outside of your ideology, it's always about selfish affirmation with you, and repeated poisoning of that well has signaled that a character being trans means the writer doesn't care about the story anymore.

>Truth be told trans people are pretty hardcore and not by choice. Even when the whole world is against them they still remain true to themselves. That’s far braver than you or I.
Foremost, nobody's fooled by your third-person tense.
Second, there's no bravery in delusion, especially one backed by MSM. You're not brave or oppressed. In fact you're a protected demographic.
Third, you wouldn't know this from any trans media. It's always, and I mean always, about the faggotry being accepted by some outside source. It's never an introspection that actually addresses what the dysphoria means, it's just "DAE I like dresses and skirts?" There's no actual depth for what the supposed "true identity" is, because not even you fags think it beyond the aesthetics of womanhood.

>regardless of the interesting dynamics discrimination can bring
"Can" is not "is," because your media sucks.

>Dreamer, Galaxy, Coagula, and Featherweight are all fascinating as people
No they are not. If they were not trans, you would not give a shit about them.

>>155415114
By your logic Scientologists are pretty hardcore and brave, so shut up.

>>155415155
>>155415173
You’re the one who chose to come into my thread. Regardless I have an individual reason for liking each of them.

>Coagula: interesting member of the Doom Patrol, a very philosophical character in mannerisms, and her recent appearance had a commentary on comic book deaths
>Dreamer: a fascinating psychology and power set plus she’s actively adversarial with the United States government
>Galaxy: her conflict with the Green Lanterns is interesting as she is the survivor of a genocide that they ignored. I hope the Vane are Guardian creations because then she would effectively be a heroic mirror to Atrocitus
>Featherweight: admittedly the weakest but her connection to the league of assassins has some potential.

Regardless while you are correct that their trans identity is what brought them to my attention. That is not why I like them as characters. I see characters as individuals but also machines. And if I don’t like something then I try to figure out the issue so I can enjoy them better.
I have similar feelings on Space King

>>155415338
The only one of them you had anything of substance to say on was Galaxy, and that was a contrivance at best to justify his existence. FFS, you couldn't think of anything to say about Featherweight other than hAs pOteNtIaL even though, again, that's not an argument and just a platitude that admits there's little there.

And this isn't your private website you hugbox-seeking faggot. This is a public space for anyone to post on, and you wanted opinions. I'm sorry that more than one person thinks you're a dipshit.
Faggot.

if trannies were real women why cant they just read normal women comics

>>155415631
I will admit that of them Galaxy has the most substance to her story in works. But overall I think that’s because Maines is doing a very good job on Dreamer and Coagula is already pre built.
Also what gave you the impression I was seeking a hug box. I merely wish to engage with these characters on the level of a fan and ideate on potential future stories similar to how /co/ has always done. I do respect your opinion but overall I question why you are even in this thread as it seems to be on a matter you dislike. Also I’d prefer if you didn’t refer to me as transgender. Not because I am offended but merely because it is untrue and this continued assumption is acting as a roadblock to further discussion

>>155412203
>[Castration cult] superhero characters
Impossible; nothing autogynephiles or autoandrophiles do can be considered heroic. Same with sodomites and sapphists.

>>155415772
>I merely wish to
Signal phrase that you trying to reframe the conversation since you're losing control.

If you wanted to have a discussion that wasn't hugboxy, you would have responded to >>155414067 with something that wasn't self-fellatio, troon.

And I'm here to call you a faggot and point that out to anyone who might be reading this, since your ilk is genuinely, genuinely annoying.

>>155415891
With all due respect I feel like I’ve responded to your genuine points in a manner that did answer your question without attempts at self aggrandizement.
I truly enjoy each of these characters, but I disagree with DC’s handling of some aspects of their stories:
As for your argument on losing control it’s less that and more that I’m struggling to understand why you are here at all. While I appreciate discussion I can’t help but feel like you don’t enjoy these characters, so I ask again. Why engage in the thread at all if you’re just going to end up upset

>>155415338
>Parallels to Atrocitius
I’d actually like to see that from a Galaxy run. Her and the Red Lanterns cleaning up the planets that the GL corp ignored showing that the Guardians of the Universe are just as destructive n their inaction as their action

>>155415891
If OP is a faggot you're a fucking bugchaser living in a dog kennel behind a bathhouse. You're a histrionic Karen who entered a thread about a topic you don't like and then decided to have a screaming hissy. I'm gonna guess you were raised by a BPD single mom and Hasan Piker tiktoks.

>>155416510
tranny mad?

>>155416557
You would know a lot about trannies, would you?

Sooooooo
Back to the actual topic. Featherweight is a hilarious influencer who murders people for the sake of heroism but mostly because her chat told her to

>>155416618
>All right, you horny boys, once we hit $5000 donations I show my butthole on cam and rip this guy's thumbs off!

>>155416820
>Chat starts warring between the people who prefer the porn content and the people who want more SAW esque bloodsport

>>155417272
>Booster starts actively losing popularity due to not filming brutal executions
>realizes he now has a responsibility to become more famous to prevent more bloodthirsty streamer heroes as a role model

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>>155416618
>Featherweight being upset that the bloodstains make her hoodie look red white and blue

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The two who I actually want to read a series of

>>155413446
Generally I agree with the rule of no bad characters only bad writers and virtually every character has had overhauls. But I think that there are some that run counter to that rule with Dazzler being the most prominent example. There has never been a good Dazzler story and I can't think of anyone aside from gays who see her in a book and go "Yes, it's Dazzler!". A one off Z-list villain from her solo wound up eventually having more good stories than she has.

>>155419100
I think Dazzler works best as a world building element in X-Men stories. Showing mutantkind and their effects on pop culture

I think Coagula, Superman, and Jason Todd should start a resurrection support group

>>155416354
>I feel like I’ve responded to your genuine points in a manner that did answer your question
And I'm telling you, you disingenuous faggot, that you did not. Otherwise you wouldn't have used "sHe hAs pOteNtiAl" i >>155415338, because you would have actually proposed some way that "having potential" is a merit to a character and not just arrogance disguised as the benefit of the doubt. You never did such. Not once. And that's just an easy example.

This fake-positivity tone while you blatantly lie to my face and gaslighting isn't cute either.

>and more that I’m struggling to understand why you are here at all
Something something MillenialWoes tweet.

>help but feel like you don’t enjoy these characters
Noooooooooo. You don't say?
Did me saying that trans stories categorically suck and then a dissection of how they fail at dysphoria stories clue you in on that, Einstein?

>>155416510
>Karen
Stopped reading.
You will never be a woman, fag.

>>155420050
If you’re unhappy than can you leave
We were having bloodsport fun

>>155420050
You specify fixate on Featherweight because you know that your argument fails on every other character I mentioned because I’ve given you concrete reasons why I like them. You seem to be incredibly befuddled by the idea that a white man can enjoy these characters regardless of gender

>>155420050
Whenever you post you sound like a Hazbin Hotel character in my head. I love Hazbin Hotel. Please keep going lol :D

>>155416618
>the castration-cult "hero" is a zombie whose whims are dragged by the words of malicious actors on the internet
Interesting parallels to real life.

>>155420326
>>155420380
>>155420360
Imagine being so mad that you reply three times, and onlh one of them tries to make an argument.
>specify fixate on Featherweight because you
No, I fixated on him because your only defense on him was to feed a platitude that, three times now, I told you wasn't valid. Arguing about the others is worthless if you can't move past a very simple point and address it. You can't address one point that I've explicitly made, and you're unsuccessful in playing dumb to avoid it, so why am I going to waste the text on the others? If you think that's bitching out, then might I remind you that you haven't addressed anything at all I said in >>155414067

So... fuck off.

>>155420836
>thread I chose to enter has things I don’t like

>>155415155
>Second, there's no bravery in delusion, especially one backed by MSM. You're not brave or oppressed. In fact you're a protected demographic.
It's opposed by the dominant political party in the usa and some of that same MSM.
I don't think fox news is pro trans.

>>155421013
This does play into the DC comics narrative as well.
Dreamer is opposed to the DC government due to how they treated her in an effort to harness her powers while Galaxy is opposed to the Lanterns due to their ignorance of her home world and treatment of her afterwards as a possible conspirator and threat due to her ability to interfere with their constructs

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>>155420936
>website I chose to enter has things I don’t like
You came to 4chan to be coddled?
You're welcome to go back.

>>155421013
>It's opposed by the dominant political party in the usa
Is it? Last I checked Trump's campaign showcased a bunch of troons onstage. Most of the GOP's offical opposition is due to the transgender movement's insistent push on trying to convert children, use public funding for it, government identification documentation, or for prison care or any other government institute where sexes are split from each other. Last I checked "pride month" is still a thing. Last I checked gender identity was still protected under hate crime laws and the Civil Rghts act was expanded to include gender identity. Last I checked gender identity discrimination was still illegal.
So... kindly take this godawful cringy self-persecution complex, shove it so far up your asshole that your boyfriend can't fist it out, and waddle your axewound back to pReddit, you waste of oxygen.

>fox neeeeeews
Man, shut the FUCK up.

I think I’d like to see Dreamer focus a little more on the eldritch side of DC. There are a lot of interesting things that go down in dreams especially in the writings of Lovecraft

>>155412203
cute freckles!

>>155422423
Does this imply that Ras Al Ghul has a freckle gene

>>155419029
Is that a headband or horns?

>>155412203
Kill all trannies.

>There are no bad characters
Tell that to Soft Serve

I looked up Galaxy because of this thread and I honestly like how old school sci fi she is. She feels like a 60s alien with ill defined psychic powers who dresses like she came from the Jetsons

>>155423203
Soft serve is a good character. She’s just a joke character who relies on timing

Simply making them not trans fixes a lot of issues. Mind you they'd likely still be written my a lunatic like most modern comic characters, but it's still a step in the right direction.

>>155421550
That's fucking rich coming from the bitch demanding the thread agree with his opinions.

>>155424493
To chemically castrate them, the image means. That's the goal: to enforce a regime of hedonic, nihilistic anti-natalism. You saw this in 2021, with the mandatory injections going around at the time.

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>>155415338
>I have similar feelings on Space King
Get filtered tranny faggot.

>>155424099
Yeah, not sure what he expected. Really thinks that his opinion actually matters to anyone in this thread beyond a mild annoyance

>>155413261
I don't know enough about the Dreaming to speak definitively, but I imagined the Dreaming basically being like a God to her. She has to show proper deference whenever they show up. In particularly desperate circumstances, she may make a request. But she is NEVER in ANY position to make demands, and she knows it.

>>155425200
You misunderstood. I enjoy Space King. I just worry that’s it’s making a few missteps in making Captain and Bryce too similar to each other. Their personalities blend together and I think it’ll hurt the show in the long run.

>>155426072
Agreed. Interestingly there’s actually some connection between the dreaming and her backstory as her mother was killed by another dreamer seeking more power over the dreaming.
Still I agree, it should feel like an ant meeting God

>>155412203
Graymalking from X-men is the wrost caracter ever.

>>155412322
>>155412371
I was in those threads. I do like the idea that there's levels of detection.

>Baseline, The dreamer and their mind have no idea she's there and consider her part of the dream.
>Mildly disturbed. Can happen when a dream changes suddenly before Dreamer can change her design. If someone, for example, goes from dreaming of their childhood to suddenly dreaming of being chased by zombies, and Dreamer is still dressed up lik a kindergarten teacher, the Dreamer may start to catch on. At this stage, the dream may react to her like white blood cells to a foregin body unless she quickly switches into an appropriate disguise.
>Alerted. The dreamer isn't aware of who or what Dreamer is in their mind, but their subconscious knows that she is not a normal part of the psyche. Extremely perilous, because the mind will either try to eliminate her or absorb her into the psyche, and that could result in Dreamer OR the target being driven insane.
>Red Alert. The Dreamer knows exactly who Dreamer is and what she's doing in their mind. At that point Dreamer is entirely at the mercy of the Target.

>>155418061
>No rule34
>Bad caracter

>>155426148
Yeah I like that too. What’s interesting is that she also uses the Dreaming in the comics to physically travel long distance in a short amount of time, so the dreaming could also be treated a little like the Warp in that Dreamer picks up levels of mental corruption as she hops from Dream to Dream which she needs to actively cleanse to avoid going temporarily insane

Skipping the trans discussion to say that characters like Superman are pretty bad from a literary perspective. Any good stories with goody two shoes characters with almost no weaknesses succeed in spite of the dumb premise

>>155426221
That would be fun. Maybe she has to meditate or something to remind herself of who she is, actively dismantle the dream narratives she absorbed.

>>155426340
Could play well into her current psychology. That or maybe she needs to sleep and spend time inside of her dream. Right now in the comics she’s so guilt ridden and self loathing that she might allow them to take hold if not reminded not to

>>155426150
Every other character in this thread has some somehow

>>155426935
Yes, the pervasive acceptance of free-access pornography is closely related to the pervasive acceptance of fetish-cultism like autogynephilia and autoandrophilia. Not many people make that connection, when they really should.

>>155412203
Trans superheroes don't work inherently because they can easily find a cure for their mental affliction.

>>155426965
You wanna talk about how this also applies to the tradwife movement? And how tradwives are based on a fetishized fantasy of a fiction that was never traditional

>>155427140
(The cure is always transitioning)

>>155427141
>tradwives are based on a fetishized fantasy
Right, of course; all husbands are closeted sodomites and all wives take Quaaludes and Xanax to deal with the abuse from their closet-sodomite husbands.

>>155427312
No I mean it’s literally based on a fetish derived from 1950s commercials and TV. Christ, why is the husbands being gay the first thing you think of

>>155427356
>it’s literally based on a fetish
I would say it's literally based on tradition, hence the "trad-" prefix, but I didn't absorb enough of the "correct" propaganda while my skull was still soft enough for it so what do I know...
>why is the husbands being [sodomites] the first thing you think of[?]
You tell me; why was it for (You)?

>>155427392
You’re literally the one who brought it up.

>>155427459
Yes, I clearly brought it up out of nowhere. It's not like it was a meme that walking, talking vectors for the progressive illness like (You) have been spreading for years now...

>>155427513
This is a DC comics thread

>>155427551
Oh, right, that's ALL it is. Nothing else in the OP, no sir! Sorry, "ma'am." Sorry, "xir." Sorry, [made up un-"gendered" title that didn't exist until next week].

>>155427585
Most of the LGBT community doesn’t even use those. Either talk about superheroes or go back to pol because right now you’re just being obnoxious and annoying.
And I mean actual superheroes, not some brain dead satire you conjure in a minute

>>155427154
Gender operations don't cure gender dysphoria. It's a placebo that's meant to calm the symptoms but it doesn't offer a solution to it.

>>155427635
>Most of the [anti-natalist fetish-cult] community doesn’t even use those
Right, they don't use "sir" or "ma'am," they use made-up gibberish that points to a sex that doesn't exist.
>>155427674
Nothing can cure "gender dysphoria," because there's no such thing.

Galaxy the world falls down established that Galaxy’s species is immune to mind control. Why doesn’t the league use her as an anti Starro bullet?