So the Siancong War mostly fixes the problem with characters who were involved with a war in their backstory. Problem is, Siancong mostly works as a Vietnam analog. What about the characters who have the Nazis as a part of their backstory? Do you think Marvel should create a second floating conflict alongside Siancong that works as a WW2 adjacent war? Something like a Neo-reich or 4th Reich instigated by Hydra or something. Place it somewhere before the Siancong War, you can have Magneto and Nick Fury Sr. here to keep them young. Have Magneto be involved in a 2nd Holocaust or something like that. Just an idea I've been having. Any thoughts?I don't really like this whole sliding timeline thing, but if Marvel is willing to die on this hill, they should probably commit to doing something like this to keep their characters young.
>>155434140>Something like a Neo-reich or 4th Reich instigated by Hydra or something. Place it somewhere before the Siancong War, you can have Magneto and Nick Fury Sr. here to keep them young. Have Magneto be involved in a 2nd Holocaust or something like that. Just an idea I've been having. Any thoughts?>WWIII was fought against Hitler's Republic of Obamastan>Nick Fury loses his other eye>The Nazi and Commie Red Skulls fight each other>There's not a second Holocaust it's just Magneto getting the death penalty and mutants reeeing about it
Fury Sr and Magneto both have in canon reasons for extended lifespans, don’t overcomplicate it
>>155434140the problem is the alternative is constant resets like DC. For a macrostory without end, but requires brand recognition to survive, we have also seen that creating legacy successors doesn't work either, and supporting cast becoming a legacy doesn't negate the desire to see the original.the only alternative to sliding timescale/frequent continuity resets/a mix of the two is ultimately all stories are their own continuities or having multiple alt lines at once.that being said, the current Magneto solution is just every so often deaging him which is something I guess but Chuck should also be just as old as him? so we need to regularly deage them both. the sliding timescale is unfortunate beyond WW2 shit though because it means that the F4's test flight is during Obama (2010). technically everyone now has later starts than even the MCU, which had Tony make his suit during the Bush era. if we keep this up, in a few more years the F4 will have first flown their test flight after Trump announced his campaign.
>>155434140Why?Like >>155434261 said some of the major characters have in-canon reasons for extended lifespans. Fury has the Infinity Formula, Magneto got deaged at one point (and you can even give some other reason his aging is slowed down as well based on his powers). Logan also slowly ages. Namor can also be shown to age slowly. Jim Hammond is an android. Toro got resurrected and revealed to have dormant Inhuman genes. Steve Rogers got frozen. Bucky was frozen and sometimes activated to go kill people then frozen again. Natasha Romanov got the Soviet version of the Super Soldier serum.The only mild issues are the other Howling Commandos or some of the other Invaders and All-Winners Squad or whatever, or civilian friends that Steve knows from WWII.
>>155434140This book was a waste of Javier Rodriguez.
>>155434140It doesn’t fix anything because Siancong is just as confusing and convoluted way to retcon things
>>155434140I really like the idea. You could have the Red Skull and Zemo leading a hidden Nazi insurgency in Germany, as well as their counterparts in the other Axis countries. And instead of the Soviets creating Omega Red, maybe he’s made by some true believers after the fall of communism.
A war with Hydra and a mutant holocaust works.>>155435315Literally just change the names and everything else works as-is.
If we apply the real world history to these fictional conflicts, then>Siancong War1991-2011>Hydra War1975-1981
>>155435400Except it doesn’t because it becomes a meaningless conflict that has zero weight behind it
>>155435438Siancong or the Hydra war?
>>155435472yes
>>155434140timeline-obsessed retards like you need to either get over your annoying, pretend-autism, or be raped to death
>>155435534Nah, you're hating
>>155435418So 2012's the year the Avengers form then. Spidey and the X-Men showing up too.
>>155434140Fuck that, let's make it more convoluted>Cap, Bucky, Namor, Hammond, Toro are basically as they are>Magneto is still a WWII Holocaust survivor and Xavier is still a Korean War vet>Xavier forms the O5 in the early 60s, new team in the 70s. >Claremont stuff happens as is in the 70s to 1991 but without the non-X-Men superhero/supervillain crossovers--no Avengers, no Doom, etc etc. If necessary they interact with SHIELD or Punisher or some other group like First Line from Marvel: The Lost Generation>Twist is that after the events of Claremont's last issue, a few things happen and then Morrison's X-Men run happens in the late 90s instead, then House of M in early 00s (Scarlet Witch goes crazy while associating with X-Men instead of Avengers), a cross between Schism and AvX (minus Avengers, so it's really XvX) in 2004, Krakoa in 2007 and the death of all Mutants in 2008 + Xavier mindwiping the entire world, then resurrection of Mutants (and some non-Mutants close to them) in 2010, resetting them to where they were in the 60s so now the O5 are teenagers again when Peter Parker gets his powers in 2011 or something, and everybody resurrected vaguely remembers doing something like what they're doing before but don't know why. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver now join the Avengers instead of the X-Mentl;dr version: 60s-2008 = Silver Age/Claremont/Morrison/House of M/Schism/Krakoa2010-present = partial Silver Age & Claremont redux/some post-Claremont 90s/some other direction>There are two Punishers, one is Frank Castle, Vietnam War vet, MAX version and was in action during the 70s to the 00s. Second is his descendant David Francis "Frank" Castle, who becomes the Punisher during the 2010s or whenever it will be when Spider-Man is in college due to sliding timeline. David "Frank" Castle is the Punisher for all your MCU synergy/crossover needs
>>155435472What’s the difference.
>>155435621One's Vietnam+Korean War and the other's WW2.
>>155435676And what’s the difference.
>>155435789Are you retarded?
>>155434140America fixes the problem. You just got off (and on) a 20+ year sand war. More than enough time to insert a character or two with "war never changes" syndrome. Gives a connection to war is hell for readers and as bonus only offends child fucking muslims. Everyone of note connected to WWII is pretty much saved by powers or left on ice. Even Magneto would be easy to work in as having a secondary affect of his powers be youth. Already did something similar to his helmet.
>>155436205>Everyone of note connected to WWII is pretty much saved by powers or left on ice. Even Magneto would be easy to work in as having a secondary affect of his powers be youthToo geeky. Changing things is better
>>155434140no
>>155435792What is the difference? If you have to start explaining “durrr it’s exactly like Vietnam except with a different fictional name” you’re just making it dumber
>>155434261It's getting really stupid for Magneto at this point
>>155439314He’s been resurrected from the dead. That’s a simple explanation. Only people who don’t read comics whine about stupid shit they don’t understand
>>155439370The repeated deagings are the stupid part (but dying and coming back is a systemic problem with cape comics that reaches far beyond this specific stupid quirk to justify Magneto still being a Holocaust survivor)
>>155439287How?
>>155439370I don't think Magneto has ever actually died and come back, it's all been deagings.
It’s so funny people have a stick up their ass about Magneto meanwhile Mystique and Destiny are from the 1880s and I don’t think they even got turned into babies at some point Also post krakoa we have a reason why they’re so old but young, new bodies from rebirth
>>155434140>>155434261>>155435548Sliding timelines are dumb. Either commit to a certain time period to make the characters backstories coherent, like the present day is the 90s, or make everyone immortal without acknowledging it. >It's getting really stupid for Magneto at this pointWhy can't Magneto have slowed aging like Wolverine?
>>155439370The problem is that since he has a canon birthdate we're rapidly reaching the point where he'll need to be deaged prior to his first appearance. Currently Mags' debut would occur in-universe when he's pushing 70 at the youngest.
>>155439423No, I think that's bullshit too. Mystique at least has the fig leaf of being a shapeshifter, Destiny was just some random 150yo lady who was doing supervillainy as a frail old lady.
So for those who are ethnically Vietnamese with the war as part of their history, how do they work?Turning into a fictional people seems like a bad idea.
>>155439416He has died. There was an entire comic about bringing him back to life
>>155439423Destiny was literally resurrected after decades of being dead, you dumb dingus
>>155440151Wait, did you think the Siancong War erases the Vietnam War from Marvel's history?
>>155440200He only died for real in the Krakoa era when it was meaningless, he was deaged several times prior to that.
>>155439507We actually have a Captain America who came after 9/11 but before Steve was unfrozen in the modern era now.
>>155434140>Siancong resisted communist takeoverDoesn't linking this to the cold war already date it? What the hell is point of a fake conflict to ease the timescale if it's linked to real-life events anyway?
>>155440564>thing happened in past (Siancong resisting Communism) that led to continued decades-long conflicts with East and West>does this date it guys?!Did you huff lead paint recently or something
>>155440564They're vague enough about how they put it that it works regardless. It's not like it actually matches Vietnam anyway- describing the conflict as "Vietnam resists communist takeover" is charitable at best
