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>>155453615The before image should be Eve
>>155453615i feel like her and adam would be guards rather than players. >'sir, i picked up all the pieces from the dalgona round that didn't have blood on them for you'
>>155453723I'll be real with you: I never watched Squid Game, I only played the Roblox version
How many of you cunts are either spics or niggers?
Hides post while sipping my enormous starbucks
>>155453615This place needs more GuitarQueen.
>>155454257in theory i have nothing against this ship (that one fanart where she's holding onto his arm while he leans on her but they're both ignoring each other still is gorgeous) but it's so hard to find content for it on AO3 that i've given up.
>>155453615>Charlie does her season 2 dumbass arc all over again in season 3 and everyone will be so sick of it that she gets bashed even harder. 1000 more YT videos about it.>Alastor's arc focuses on Lucifer with no doubt tons of RA shippy moments and zero Vox while Vox's arc is getting over Alastor and building his relationship with Valentino. Ship wars explode with the now massive and already seething RS fanbase leading the furor.>Lilith will not live up to everyone's different headcanons about her and there will be complaints in all directions about it.>Potential Lute is Eve reveal that kills other theories, people will get big mad about it and there will probably be 1000 videos criticizing it.Post season 3 is going to be so fun.
>>155454026Shut up, Meg
>>155454361>>155454361Yeah it usually a background tag most of the time but I've ran into two cases where the tag shows up because the author needed justification for RA slop and having Lilith gaped by Adam was a good enough excuse.
>>155454534Absolutely
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>>155454705lol links?
>>155454794One I can't find because it's old as balls and the other one isn't worth checking out because it's literally just "human Lucifer was a perfect stay at home trad husband which always took care of his daughter but the evil Lilith was cheating on him with Adam which he found out without that much of a description (because we gotta rush into that gay sex) so that makes it justified for him to have steamy interracial sex with Alastor the MILKMAN's BBC".
>>155454980the racism and internalised misogyny in certain fujos needs to be studied in a lab.
>>155454534The RS fanbase is fucking insufferable. They weren't like this pre-S2 but they're unbearable now. Bunch of demanding retards.
>>155455095They had their moment which got to their heads. Now it's only downhill for them and nobody's gonna give a shit because they alienated everyone. They believed themselves Viv's chosen yet they shall find she will pick another when the time comes.
>>155455064I find it kinda funny to a certain extent.
>>155455146They have a huge victim complex too.
>>155455095Season 2 and the VAs catering to them got them high and the ship got an influx of new fans. Just in time for them to get fucked by their biggest rival ships the next season. And they know it's coming which is why they're acting out.
>>155455095>demanding retards.Just put Vox and Alastor on a shirt or a keychain and they'd shut up It's really that simple
>>155455389They absolutely wouldn't
>>155455389No they wouldn't. Even an entire season and an official artist constantly feeding them high quality art of their ship didn't shut them up.
>>155455412>>155455489It seems like the issue is official merch, no?Honestly seems strange there isn't more stuff with Vox and AlastorYou'd think that would be easy money
>>155455572They won't be satisfied.
Anyways. Anything else you guys wanna discuss?
>>155455852does sera stand a chance at surviving the series? she seems built to be a heavenly figure representing the old who sacrifices herself for the greater good and the future.
>>155456045Still not over that guy calling her genderswapped Yakub last thread. Fucking lmao
SLUUUUUURRRPP SIP SIIIP SLLLUUUUUURRP
>>155456066That was me. But cmon she's literally just female angel Yakub. Too bad we didn't get the Eve reveal and the pale Adam art early because we could have had Hazbin Agartha edits.
>>155456045Maybe she lives. I could see her role being a member of the old guard who doesn't cling as strongly to the old ways and actually listens to the newer generations and their ideas bridging the gap between the old isolated elite who are in power and the rest.
>>155456045She has my biggest death flags right now. It would be an oh shit moment to throw Heaven into chaos and it seems like her character arc is nearly over anyways. She's fat to cut.
>>155456292Could also happen so that when she shows up in the Eden flashback it a bit more bittersweet since she's currently dead in the show.
>>155456352Or season 3 is partial Eden and Lucifer in Heaven reveal/flashback, Eve reveal is the season 3 cliffhanger, season 4 has the rest of the Eden info that digs more into her, and Sera gets killed sometime toward the season 4 ending.
Viv announced we'll get Hazbin crossover stuff this season of Helluva Boss. Moreso in the second half of the season.
>>155456539i am curious about how this goes considering that the whole point of the seven deadly sins is to tempt humans to sin, increasing the pride ring's numbers despite the overpopulation concerns that haven't been called out as bullshit yet (so i'm inclined to believe that's actually true and not a dumb excuse adam came up with). what purpose does this serve?
>>155456539Unprompted video that IMP watches which has Lucifer dress in a woman's dress and talk to toy ducks.
>>155456539I'd guess Lucifer showing up briefly. I don't watch HB, is the timeline synced to Hazbin's or is it a little behind or ahead comparing season to season?
>>155456689>what purpose does this serve?They're evil, they uphold a brutal caste system within their own peoples and they definitely don't give a shit about sinners
>>155456719what if lucifer and lilith split because lucifer wouldn't stop letting the hellborn tempt sinners to hell despite the overpopulation problem? it's known that he favours them over sinners because he made them.
I consider it a wasted opportunity for Adam to not have a mini-me or a miniature form, imagine Lute being an actual mom to mini-adam and the little gremlin matching the chaotic energy of Niffty.
>>155457409If Adam wants one he has to nut up and make one with Lute the old fashioned way.
>>155457435He probably already did that. Maybe they named him Seth.
>>155457435I kinda see them both asking Sera for it as they don't want a fucking Abel but a mini Adam.besides we don't know the effects of what an Angel/Demon fusion may cause, Lute is bad enough as she is and we all know what happens with Nephilim and Cambions.
>>155457624Nah that's the whole appeal. Creating a new race of freaks from their loins to conquer and rule the world. They're pretty much experts at this point.
>>155457623Seth strikes me as the smartass thats actually smart but everyone thinks otherwise, also totally see him as a sort of TFS Future Trunks type of guy.
>>155457624She looks very reminiscent of Lilith with the horns here. She's not beating the Lilith rip off accusations.
>>155457646it could work...thought they will need to be smooth about it.
>>155457409in an alternative universe where this is all a magical girl show, adam is evil magical girl lute's cute annoying mascot who transforms to his true form and sacrifices himself to protect her from the true villain in the finale.
>>155457653I mean his only mention was that he looks/acts like Adam so that's why I proposed him as mini Adam. He's probably a case where the kid comes out as a literal physical clone of one parent.
>>155457673...I would watch an AU anime of Lute being a magical girl with Adam being the trigger for a transformation.yeah, I dig it, a deliquent japanese gal becoming the mc magical girl to stop the forces of evil and she wacks them with baseballs and broken bottles, it writes itself.
>>155457735>She goes through life thinking she's a normal girl until she meets weird mascot smug little asshole Adam>who tells her she's made out of his ribs and she is to be his fated bride>She's into it more than she should be
>>155457808>He keeps bragging that he's only trapped in this form and secretly he's the most handsome man in the world>when he's finally freed from his mascot form he's a scruffy and tired looking man with a beer gut and eyebags>She's into that more than she should be too
>>155457646Hey guys, I'm back! XD Also, this isn't too far from where I envision (Zombie) Adam and Lute/Eve ending up by Season 5. Not only do I see them becoming Hell's worst overlords, but they'll picked up where they left off on earth: fucking each other's brains out and this time beginning a new race of Nephilim-Zombie-Demon spawn.If we go by the idea that Eve was originally a Sinner who Sera artificially ascended into an Angel, only to probably fall by the end of Season 3, and then we take Adam, who will likely become a reanimated Archangel...Then what the heck would their offspring be? Going by the tail-like design of the blood behind Lute on her 'I'm with Dickmaster' shirt, it's possible her original sinner form had a snake motif with a serpent-like tail. (making her mirror to Sir Pentious all the more biting)So she's probably gonna start crapping out a lot of eggs containing her and Adam's monstrous offspring...
>>155457808>the transformation could be the same thing as megaman zx biometals>she transforms in her Exorcist fit>her job is to ice Sinners and Hellborns on Earth>she could get extra powers over time>she could add her gang of girls into this>the founding of the Exorcists takes place>Adam and Sera have a similar relationship akin to TFS Alucard and TFS Integra>show becomes a spiritual sucessor of Panty and Stockings
>>155457940>Monstrous Lizard sinner Lute birthing eggs out of which her's and Adam's spawn come out Honestly if we're ever getting sinner Adam I want him to be a beastman looking Goatman. He does have the horns for that. Plus would be interesting if the children are a chimeric mix of angel,demon/sinner, reptile and mammal.
>>155457887>Adam one day just straight up yoink her>she now lives in a opulent but messy appartment>both have too much chemistry and synergy to actually mind the kidnapping>Lute's parent DGAF
>>155458004My dream Sinner Adam is basically his masked form made flesh. So, kind of draconic.
>>155458038>Lute's 'parent' is Sera>Lute always suspected she was adopted (it's kind of obvious, her mom is black) but Sera was always tight lipped about it
>>155458004Yeah, this bitch is getting a very Pentious-esque tail by the end of Season 3. It'd explain the hiss we hear when she hisses "Don't you dare" at Emily.
>>155458043Honestly I'm fine with a lot of stuff as long as he looks very different and barely recognisable because his new form is so different. Don't just slap horns on his human form and call it a day.
>>155454257>>155454705fine...>They were deep within the cave.>It was pouring for three days with no signs of stopping and even deep within the caverns she could hear the roar of thunder and the deafening drumming of rain.>The only other sound – a crackling of fire. Its fiery tongues danced lazily, illuminating stonewalls with dim yellow and oranges.>None of them dared to say anything.>She and Adam haven't said anything to each other since the mourning and even the thing in her hand has ceased it moans and soft cries, as it peacefully slumbered in her arms.>It was a…misshapen mass of limbs, feathers, heads and meat.>A simple passing gaze could tell an observer all that needed to be known.>Possessing traits of neither man nor animal, this monstrosity had no right to exist within God’s Creation. >Its rapidly failing biology only adding to that fact.>Even now, in the peaceful slumber, it was wheezing, barely able to breathe.>Adam, who was sitting on the other side of the fire, did all in his power to not look at that living mistake, while she only cradled it closer to her heart, sharing with it her love and her warmth.>After all, this thing was their child. Her child.>No matter how monstrous he looked, he was her son and she will love him with all her heart and all her soul.>He was a flesh of her flesh and bone of her bone.>No matter how monstrous or deformed he was, her love for him will never cease or lessen.>Such was the mother’s love, after all.>Suddenly, first time since she went into the labor and the spell which disguised her form broke, Adam spoke to her and his voice was haunted and distant.>“Why…?”>he asked, completely lost.>She gave no answer and averted her gaze away from his in a shameful display of meekness.>“I don’t understand…you chose Lucifer…You left Eden, left me…Why do all this? Why take her form and her side beside me…? Lilith…”>She kept her gaze low.
>>155458120The chad Lute/Eve getting the cool snake/reptile form while the virgin Lucifer remains a Voldemort midget onceler rip-off. Truly another L for Lucifags.
>>155458167>“Lilith…” something crept in his voice, it burned and seethed with rage she never witnessed before this day.>“Answer me!”>She flinched and that stopped him.>There was a long and anxious silence.>She held her babe close, not in an attempt to shield him, but trying to gain strength from him being there, in her arms.>She sighed and looked up to see Adam looking at her with barely contained rage.>A single lie would set him off; she recognized it and spoke only the truth:>When archangels cast us down into the pit, they took something away from me.>A part of my very being has been ripped away from me.>I could no longer bring life into this world, Adam.>Whenever Lucifer and I tried…all our attempts…they ended in death, Adam.>I… had to bury so many infants.>I grew tired of it.>I couldn’t bear it anymore.>So I sought the only solution I had left.>“Don’t lie!” replied Adam.>“Don’t you dare! Lucifer could bring stars into Creation with a mere snap of his fingers! He could’ve done something! You never had to involve me in this!”>“Don’t you think we haven’t tried all we could!?” Lilith replied, raising her tone.>“Adam, we tried all we could think of. There was simply no escaping Lord’s curse. I sought you in desperation, hoping that maybe if I did it with you, I could bring life into the world.” She lowered her eyes to her arms where a child… her child slept, a smile crept on her face. “And it worked…”>Adam grimaced.>That thing in her hands…>This misshapen mistake was not a child.>Still, he could not summon his rage against it.>It bore no fault in its creation.>Even now it was paying the price for its mother’s crimes.>Just by looking at it, Adam could say that this thing was suffering in agony, yet this witch was too blinded by her fulfilled desires to notice.>How typical.>Yet he had one more question.
>>155458167>>155458270This is fire, please keep going!
>>155458270>“You’ve spent a year under the guise of Eve,” he said.>“Even after you conceived, you stayed by my side, hiding your nature under her visage. For a single year, you played her role. The role of whom you deemed lesser, of whom you thought subservient, of whom you called meek and spineless. Why? Why did you stay after achieving your goal?”>The answer was obvious.>Adam loved Eve.>He truly did.>This love was unlike the one he held for animals of Eden, archangels of Heaven and even the one he once held for her.>It was pure, bright and unending. Showing its warming rays in his every gaze, every word and every action.>It was unlike the grand speeches and gestures of Lucifer.>This love…even in the simplest of forms it appeared grand and illustrious.>Those small touches, those arms wrapped around her form in the dead of night, those longing gazes and vulnerable smiles…They were addicting, enrapturing and kind.>She envied Eve.>She cursed that this meek pathetic waste of bone got to receive something like that and for no effort required on her part.>Adam’s love was not only vast, but unconditional.>All Lilith had to do was exist as Eve and Adam would worship her every step and embrace deep to his souls their every moment.>It was shameful, it was awful, it was disgusting.>Especially after all she’s done to him.>She could reply, for that would mean angering him beyond any measure.>So instead she lowered her eyes and remained silent.>Adam’s face contorted in disgust.>He asked her:>“Does Lucifer even know you are here?”>She did not reply.>The answer was obvious.
>>155458320>“You’ve spent a year under the guise of Eve,” he said.What was Eve doing during that time?
>>155458120>>155458257If she falls from Heaven as an Angel, then her form might take on a chimaera-inspired form: wings of an angel, black horns from her exorcist mask, and her huge ass snake tail.A very "demonic angel" as Vosk put it.
>>155458320>“…I have no words for you,” he stood up.>“I have wasted enough time as it is. I fear to think what my absence might have provoked in Eve. I desire not to continue this farce. My wife, my real wife needs me,” she flinched at that as if she was struck. “I am done. Never cross my gaze again.”>He went to the exit and she called him one last time.>“Adam,” he stopped, but did not turn.>“If… if she rejects you, know…”>‘…that you shall always have a place by my side,’ she wanted to say, yet words could not leave her when he did turn and looked at her.>His golden eyes shone with disdain and disgust.>His next words were devoid of detectable anger, yet the slight tremble gave away the bubbling rage within him.>“If she rejects me, so be it. I wronged her. I wronged our union, even if unknowingly. Something like this is simply unforgivable. If she decides I no longer have a place beside her for laying with you, even if at your deception, then I shall accept it and spend my remaining days in my own company… but…” the tremble in his voice grew.>“If something happened to her and I was not near when she needed it because you wanted to play the role you once rejected out of your volition… May Father be my witness, I will pay you what you did to her thousand fold. Mark my words, Lilith.”>And with these words he left her and her bastard child alone in a dark and dreary cave.>It would be somewhere around nine hundred years before he would cross paths with his unwanted child in the infernal lands in his search for his true love.>It would take three thousand years before he and she would face each other again on the opposing sides of the negotiation table after the conclusion of War in Hell.>Now, however, there was only her, her barely breathing abomination in infant form and heavy weight of regret.and that's all, Asmodeus origins.
>>155458406Very nicely done anon, I enjoyed that
>>155458390this event I think should have taken place post Abel death, aka Adam went on a rampage and Eve just exiled herself for a bit to mourn her first murdered child.also this is based on the rumor of Lilith disguising herself as Eve being truth, Adam wouldn't be aware until the shapeshifting fell through due to post labor for Lilith.
>>155457940Where have you been? Did you not see the latest buzz about what Jessica said regarding Lute?
>>155458043i've seen and read a few arts and fics where he's a dragon but maybe two of them actually make him fully draconic, which i think would be a fun reflection of his death. want to be worshipped as a god? fuck you buddy, no humanity in your sinner form for you!>>155458153god same the sinner adams that are just recolours are the worst.
>>155458093jesus fucking christ, Emily would be the cheery innocent imouto that looks up to her senpai onee-chan Lute.St. Peter would be the straight man pointdexter yet caring onii-chan that babysits Abel for Adam from time to time.shit, the dynamic between them is almost like a 80s/90s japanese family and community on animes.
>>155458533I hope Adam doesn't go charizard model.
>>155458120Sinner Lute having design parallels to Sir P would go hard. She brought a curse upon her children; he is the first of her descendants to be freed of it.
>>155458533You say that despite the fact that being a dragon is the coolest shit ever. A fantastical beast surprisingly common throughout human mythology which inspires awe and fear. Literally more of a reward for a sinner form rather than a punishment but funny enough it fits Adam. Even when he's supposed to be punished he somehow gets something awesome out of it.
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>>155458736why am I even surprised?...
>>155458689I bet if it was Cain or any of the OG senpai she wouldn't have said anything.
>>155458785He would use CHARIZARD in all his teamsMoveset: Wing Attack, Flamethrower, Fire Blast, Blast Burn
>>155458823Probably. I do feel like her and Adam would be less kind the more modern and distant their descendant is. Closer to them? They get a pass. Distant? You get jack and shit. Enjoy.
>>155458827He should also add Snorlax.
>>155458730what would be funny is if Dragon Adam were a thing, I bet he would make his house on the highest peak of the Pride Ring and hoard food + gold while setting the cities on fire and taking a few lambs to sate his bloodlust.in fact, imagine Charlie or Vaggie going full medieval knight with armor and all to save the "princess" from the evil dragon.that would be precious and funny, the King asking for a valiant knight to rescue the kidnapped princess from an evil dragon.
>>155458452I got banned for a few days. It was my fault, posted a piece of Lute/Eve fanart that was a bit too blue, shall we say. Should've known better, so I've just been a watcher.Now that I can comment again... well, what else can I say? If this doesn't soft confirm it, Looty (assuming that's you messaging me) I don't know what else will. The fact that she felt she couldn't answer about Lute's thoughts about Eve (not even something noncommittal) and that she outright said Lute was motivated by her past are both green flags in their own right.I mean, what possible past could this Exorcist angel have, especially if she were otherwise allegedly created 7 years ago, that would set her apart from all the others? Can ya'll think of anything, cuz I can't?And then... Vosk fistbumps the lady, when the latter playfully vaguely suggests she's Eve... now Come On.Stick a fork in it; it's done. She's Eve. What other explanation can there be at this point?Btw, Looty, when you add to that the alleged leak you heard about Adam and Eve being a villainous power couple? Was that the right wording? Then the path is pretty much laid out for us. Zombie Adam will probably be a thing towards the end of S3, with it already being said Baxter has a large part to play.
>>155458892He would definitely use Snorlax and Dragonite. His ace might be Shiny Ho-Oh? Lute used Venusaur in the Eve days but now she's a die hard Blastoise fan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m7Bt-mB8jYSilvally and Absol are both Lutecore, as is Lugia.
>>155458949I unfortunately can't really say my source. Frankly, I shouldn't have said anything to begin with but just take it as a "trust me bro". I'm willing to believe it given the Guitarspear merch
People are coping and trying to reconcile Jessica saying that Lute is Eve, being that now it can't really be ignored, with saying that she was made in Eve's likeness. Lol anything else just for the sake of her not being Eve, right.
>>155458949>I got banned for a few days. It was my fault, posted a piece of Lute/Eve fanart that was a bit too blue, shall we say. The Lute/Eve one where the nips were visible? My recommendation is always use the catbox if you're not sure about nip visibility.
Vaggie content from the ms. /co/ thread >>155458338Plus a nsfw version there too: https://files.catbox.moe/sdsyk7.png
>>155459026I think Adam would use a deceptive yet effective team.shiny Charizard because it starts golden but then gets a badass black red design, a Snorlax because he loves that fat piece of shit, a Gengar because it looks menacing and it has his grin, Dragonite just because Eve or Lilith or even Lute gave him the Egg, Crobat because it also looks cool but packs a punch, shiny Gyarados as his main hitter but also because it can also use flamethrower and lightning alongside water stab moves.Lute lowkey would use a Sinnoh base team, Staraptor, Gallade, Lucario, Garchomp, Togekiss and Umbreon/Leafeon(apple).
>>155459138It's another "Roo might the embodiment of evil but that doesn't rule out her possessing Eve" cope. Lute is Eve. It's just that simple.
>>155459184Not just Lute being Eve, Roo ISN'T Eve. Viv doesn't have to explicitly say that for it to be debunked. It's hilarious because in an ironic way, Roo/Eve WILL happen, just not the way they wanted it.
>>155459121That's fair enough; I understand, and I'll leave it there. More I was checking to see if I remembered correctly. We'll let it be.But yeah, I just... can't see what else Vosk could've meant here. She's motivated by her past? Okay, so what else could it be if she's not Eve? If anyone else can offer a satisfying alternate explanation, please, I'm all ears.And Looty, I'll say this: if you're looking for the best meme for when the fateful day comes, personally, nothing beats the TFS Cooler's "I hope someone answers that phone. Because I fucking called it!" XDBtw, know we haven't seen eye-to-eye on much lately. Just wanna apologise for that and hope we're cool.
>>155459183Sinnoh mons do seem to fit Lute too, she has some of that Cynthia flare going on. Togekiss has some adorable implications if she raised it herself.
>>155459276Honestly once the reveal happens I can't wait to dunk on Hazbin fans who somehow didn't see it coming but somehow a Evefication fetish porn artist accidentally nailed it.
>>155459276I have been tossing and turning thinking up of any good explanation where she's not Eve. I've said before that one of my earlier theories, before we got the romance confirmed, was that she was Adam's daughter? I still think that's a pretty good idea, specifically Cain's wife. It would explain her absolute fanaticism with eradicating sin, and then the traumatic thing is Cain killing their sibling, it would explain why she's so attached to Adam and follows him around, and it would possibly open the door for other ships, and it would give her and Charlie something in common: shitty dads. Another earlier theory I had was that she was a winner soul, possibly had Adam as a guardian angel, and her whole thing was sinners, is perhaps that she was killed by somebody and they didn't get the justice thought they deserved? Except that kind of falls flat because she's in heaven and then the murderer would be in hell so...I do like the clone theory, my problem is purely the time constraints: I said it once, I'll say it again, this show is eight episodes per season. So far, each episode is what... Not even 30 minutes, and then half of that episode is just songs. There's no way they can fit something as complicated as a clone theory into this, not in a cohesive manner. And then we fall into the same thing of. Okay, that's not Eve, now we have to introduce an additional figure named Eve, sympathize with her, agree with her goals, root for her when we know nothing about her, so presumably there would be set up for her for the next season or two, except that doesn't really track because we're already halfway through the series. It's just too much.. If this was like more than five seasons, and each season had twenty or so episodes, then I would absolutely buy into it a little bit more. Those were some of the theories I was microwaving around, but they just don't really fit. She's Eve. It's that simple. And we're fine. Sorry if I've been moody lately. All good!
>>155458827>>155458892>>155459026Eve Team (grass type specialist): Venusaur, Leafeon, Exeguttor, Ferrothorn, Shaymin, Virizion/HydrappleLilith Team (dark/ghost main): Mightyena, Spiritomb, Rotom(all forms), Gengar, Drifblim, Darkrai/Giratina.Lucifer Team (duck main ftw): Golduck, Farfetch'd, Quaquaval, Magmotar, Ludicolo, Porygon-Z.
>>155459318I can totally her raising a Togepi and also show she has a soft spot but only reserved to those closest to her heart...though I see her naming her Togepi "Gorematron".
>>155459613>GorematronWhat's that?
>>155459635just a name I think she'll pick, you really think Lute and Adam wouldn't have funny names for their mons?Lute would totally name her cutest pokemon like that and even name her Umbreon "snowball the III" or her Lucario "bad motherfucker" like her wallet.
>>155459475(About The art) It's fucking hell. It's the same character twice. Is this what people want??
>>155459475>Shaymin loses its ability to turn to Sky Forme after Eve becomes Lute because she doesn't have much to feel grateful for>She releases Hydrapple because she can't bear looking at it anymore
>>155459695Apparently yes that's what the people want. Despite that it might not be pure twin shenanigans but Lute does kinda look like Lilith and high chance her Eve form form was even closer to that. It was probably a "they look like sisters situation" rather than pure twin copy paste.
>>155459695nah, it was just a Lilith mirror art.the Eve that artist draws is a brunette.>>155459740A pokemon team often reflects its master and their story.
>>155459843>nah, it was just a Lilith mirror art.the Eve that artist draws is a brunette.Honestly I couldn't tell at all. Looked like twin theory stuff to me but I was probably wrong. How janky does this Eve look?
>>155459843I love that she's rib sized
>>155459475>lucifer team is literally just duckskeklilith before and after eden should have different teams thoughI see her using a arbok, drapion, weavile, lopunny, medichamp and gardevoir on edenafter she runs with lucicunt her team splits as lopunny medichamp and gardevoir straight up dump her for betraying adam, she literally had team charm and team awdbefore the fall she has arbok, weavile, drapion, salamance, gliscor and mightyenaafter the fall lilith becomes a main dark and ghost type trainer
>>155459992similar yet radically different from Lilith.at the start on Eden she kinda looks like Lilith but post fall and in Hell she looks different.
>>155460055Really? Interesting I guess.
>>155458257>motherfucker looks like chiaotzu with a dio wigmy fucking sides
>>155460028>she literally had team charm and team awdI can tell you are a man of culture
>>155460167Bruh more Hazbin Lucifer design slander dropped.
Adam is Lilith's step-son, are you sure you should be shipping them making out and stuff?... oh. OOOHHHHHHHH
>>155460704I'm sorry what are you talking about?
>>155460704Are we not gonna address this? I'm genuinely confused as to what he's talking about.
>>155460704I'm so confused
>>155460704Is this some reverse psychology thing?
>>155460704In what universe is Adam Lilith's step-son? Seriously, there's no extra text, apocryphal, Judaic or otherwise that supports this.
>>155461133I'm maybe thinking they had a double misstype and wanted to say Lute and Abel.
Idk wtf he's talking about so have some snake Lilith https://files.catbox.moe/5e74vb.jpg
>>155461133>>155461169Funny enough, in some variations of Islamic theology, Adam has a daughter named Anaq who is, for whatever reason, basically another Lilith but literally zero reason. Like, she's just born with demonic features just because. I thought she was Lilith's affair child or something but nope! She's also sometimes credited as the first adulterer. I thought anon was referring to her for a second.
>>155461238You think the average anon knows that much theological obscure lore?
>>155461293Sigh. No.I'll put on the dunce hat.
Did Lilith genuinely miss Adam?
>>155461077If Lute saw this she'd get Lucifer to fuck her in front of them as revenge. In his horse form. Not because she likes him but because she's extreme like that.
>>155461389No no, in snake form. There are some texts where Lucifer/the serpent and Eve fuck, which is how Cain is born. In another (unrelated, so Cain is not Lucifer's child in this) after Cain's death, Adam leaves and has an affair with Lilith, cheating on Eve.I hate everything about this.
>>155461389Even she has standards. Plus Adam doesn't know she's Eve. She's gotta tell him first so he knows she's here and not to do dumb shit.
>>155458400>>155458120>>155458689If she's revealed to have a serpent-like tail in her new fallen/sinner form, Charlie or Vaggi needs to trick her into biting down hard on it.
>>155461352In the show canon probably not. Then again I'm pretty sure she didn't miss anybody. Maybe Charlie. A little bit. Like a droplet.
>>155461497The Po Vs Tai Lung fight scene
The fandom with Roo/Evil:>“There’s NO setup! How the fuck were we supposed to know they’re the same thing?!”The fandom with Lilith/Eve:>“There’s SOOOOO much setup! How can you not see it?! It’s OBVIOUS!”
>>155461450>Wait.. what the fuck EVIE NO>Adam dodgerolls her out of the way of impending horse penis
>>155461389Not sure about this since Adam has plausible deniability unlike Lilith. She probably knows Lute is Eve and might do this crap just to be a bitch to her.
>>155461562>It gets redirected into his butthole >Eve is moved by his act of sacrifice and kisses him while he's crying from the pain
>>155461623This is the plot of Fixed (2025)
>>155461389my hot take is that lute wouldn't care, because she just has to 'introduce' herself and adam will immediately cease all activities with lilith to talk about his fucking awesome lieutenant for two hours.
>>155461806Adam offers his gfs to Lute for sex when he's too busy practicing guitar or other shit but 9 times out of 10 she makes them sit and read the Bible while she does paperwork. The 10th time she makes them eat her pussy messy style.
>>155461806Ew, she getting that pre-wet dick.Lute would say she wouldn't care but she's seething.
>>155462001Seething enough to take horsecock?
>>155462060Seething enough to fuck the serpent, I'd say. Bring in serpentseed Cain pls
>>155462096I say if Adam fucked Lilith at some point it's only fair Eve should get a taste of Lucifer. Something something eye for an eye.
>>155462142Ayyyy you get it
Wtf are you guys talking about?
i feel like making evil itself a physical, quantifiable entity like roo doesn't work for a series like this which is about self-improvement and how anyone is capable of good and evil actions, intentionally or not
>>155462174Everything is about sex. Except for sex, which is about trains.
>>155462193Hard disagree. I don’t really understand why people keep treating those ideas as inherently contradictory. The existence of Evil as a literal entity doesn’t negate anyone else’s capacity for good or evil, nor does it absolve them of responsibility for their choices. Roo existing doesn’t mean Valentino is evil because Roo made him evil, or that someone who hurts others suddenly has no agency because Evil itself exists somewhere in the universe. A literal embodiment of Evil reinforces the series’ emphasis on choice: Evil can exist, temptation can exist, outside influences can exist, and people still decide what they do in response to them. “Anyone is capable of becoming better” also doesn’t mean every conceivable being must be redeemable. Charlie’s entire philosophy hinges on people being capable of change if they choose to change. Roo gives that philosophy an interesting boundary to confront: what happens when Charlie encounters Evil itself, rather than another flawed person committing evil acts?
>>155462060>>155462096>>155462142>>155462151Ew
I foresee the whole Adam v Eve passive aggressive sleeping around battle eventually ending in tearful apologies and reconciliation on both ends. Lucifer still has a horse boner and nervously hopes Lilith might do something about it but her mood is soured so looks like he's sleeping in the stable today.
>>155462307>he's sleeping in the stable today.this made me laugh like a retard for some reason. thanks for that.
>>155461503she would have missed Charlie if she didn't turn out to be a retarded womanchild like her father.I totally see Lilith playing favorites here if she had more than one child and specially if the sibling outshined Charlie.
>>155462386a new hellborn race, the centaurs, appears shortly after.
>>155462307I know the horse joke but why do I have the feeling that Lucifer would definitely been a brony and Charlie a pegasister.
>>155462539i think she does love charlie but she's the type of person who sees the greater good as paramount, regardless of the lesser evils she commits to get there. she's not ignorant to what she's doing to charlie, and probably does immensely regret it, but she cannot prioritise one girl's self esteem over [whatever she's up to]. she's like a single mom who has to work night shifts at the hospital unexpectedly a lot and ends up missing a bunch of her daughter's special days/events growing up, never went to her dance recital/forgot her birthday etc.
>>155461238>>155461293curious how the name "Anakim" is referred as the giants who were nephilim descendants.
>>155462668>Anakin >I hate sand
>>155462629that would be the case if...she wasn't married to Lucifer.to be fair thought, Lucifer may be the one wearing the pants in the relationship but it was Lilith who told him which pair to wear thus I bet it was Lucifer who acted as both mom and dad to Charlie than Lilith ever did.
>>155462682call it coincidence but the Anakim lived on arid lands or icy lands back then...six fingers, 15ft tall to 8ft fall, often pale with reddish hair, looked like clowns, 2 rows of teeth, eated people on the regular...
>>155462307I like the idea that Adam and Eve can't stay mad at each other for very long. Lilith hates how easily they seem to get over things when her relationship with Lucifer has been rocky for a long time now.
>>155463539Lilith never learned to just let such things go, she let the small things build up.same with Lucifer but after Charlie, I think he realized he shouldn't hold grudges or at least over the small things and let it go, ironically learning to sympathize with Adam and Eve out of all people.
Why did she do it?
>>155467306She wanted free will and was coerced into eating it by Thing 01 and Thing 02
>>155465663>picThe need to be sexually harassed by female Adam.
>>155463539>>155465663It makes sense. The point of Eve is she wouldn't engage in powerstruggles with Adam. In turn Adam is much more forgiving to his second wife and doesn't hold things against her to score points.
>>155467306>>155467356if she didn't have free will...how did she choose in the first place?
>>155468311so they managed to talk shit out like proper human beings? what a novel idea and excellent example that I am certain many would follow...oh wait, she had taken a bite out of a certain fruit and now has her very soul polluted, so 2/3 of Humanity will be doomed due to evil growing and spreading like a cancer until it takes hold.and people wonder why Eve would be hated by everyone...in fact, I am surprised no one killed her or even attempted it.
>>155468333We don't know exactly since it's super vague.
>>155468333ask the people who wrote the bible
>>155469122I get the joke but in the bible Eve had free will. The fruit gave knowledge of good and evil in most stories.
>>155460704Again any idea on what this is supposed to mean?
The rib imagery in Gravity sure makes a lot more sense if she's Eve.
>>155469476Yup. That's the thing with Lute being Eve. Unlike other theories it tends to explain and make weird in-show shit actually make sense.
>>155469506What a gentleman
>>155468333It's usually called free will but the apple contains the knowledge of good and evil that lets you make an informed choice. Like maybe you were free to do good but not to do evil because Roo hadn't been let in yet.
>>155468488>I am surprised no one killed her or even attempted it.I like to think the Seraphim offered to unmake her after her mistake and Adam told them to fuck right off.
>>155469531And add to that they probably tried to explain to him that if they unmake her that can take another bone and try again. Maybe assuring him that "third times the charm".
Something that doesn't make sense with the Roo-Eve theory is if Roo corrupted Eve like a parasite when she ate the apple she has to live a whole life on Earth first. With Lute-Eve the punishment presumably comes after she eventually dies and is judged a Sinner by mysterious means. The Elders then treat her badly based on that, reinforcing the idea even they don't really understand the mechanics of judgment.
>>155469670Roo-Eve requires the parasite to activate after she dies or Adam being too much of dumbass to notice his wife got skinwalked by the embodiment of evil (then again this also means the embodiment of evil was getting dicked down on a daily basis for her evil plan. Kenjaku style). Again very convoluted and unnecessary. Lute-Eve is a lot more straight forward and requires less dumbassery from the big guys.
Bop
So...does SM vs RS survive season 3, or will it be like RA vs Charlastor where it's the biggest deal ever leading up to season 2, only to be nigh completely forgotten about post said season?
>>155468333Do you want an even funnier question?Even if you assume the worst of Adam when he was just created. There was no evil in the world at the time. So...what did Lilith not like about Adam?
>>155470438SM wins by virtue of Alastor being tied in RA. RS fans shit their pants. Lucilith fans cry when they finally discover they're not Viv's favourite hetslop ship and suffer RA cuckage. GuitarSpear and Flowertunes have a light bulb moment when they will realise their ships(it's technically just one) is Viv's favourite among the hetslop.
>>155470448>So...what did Lilith not like about Adam?Lilith asked Adam to be her retarded himbo malewife and to nurse from his delicious chest. He said no. This broke her heart and she ran away from sheer sadness and pain.https://files.catbox.moe/84u10q.jpg
>>155467306If Lucifer convinced Eve to commit the first "sin" defined as rebellion against god then why the fuck is she the root of all evil and not Lucifer?
>>155470483>why the fuck is she the root of all evil and not Lucifer?Because she's not the root of all evil? Roo is her own thing separate from Eve. Lucifer and Eve are just the two retards (in Eve's defense she's was probably young and hadn't existed for that long) that unleashed her.
>>155470501Roo is different from Eve?
>>155470564Yes. The two are separate. Roo is Roo and Eve is Eve.
>>155470564so Hazbin is ditheist or Gnostic as opposed to 'Monotheism with a kayfabe Satan who is subordinate to God but still exists to teach moral lessons'
>>155470564This has got to be Looty bait at this point, lmao.
How fat is Adam in pounds?
>>155470739That's classified information.
If the Council of Elders revealed how much Heavenly taxpayer money was spent on feeding Adam per year it'd cause a political scandal.
>>155470757What about rumored weight? The gossip and speculated numbers?
>>155470692She's probably busy working on the Lute=Eve document and having spats with retards on twitter. I do think the second thing is a bit of a waste of her time since those fucks won't understand no matter how hard you try to explain it.
Oh dear… I’m torn between pity and biting myself snickering.Like, I get it, I’ve been on that side of things too many times where my headcanon turns to dust in my hands, it’s never fun.But it’s still fun to be on the winning side for once.
>>155471259Context
>>155471318Basically someone on X responding to the Lute!Eve theory, they’re worried cuz they’re massive Holyblades shipper.
>>155471623Oh. Well not to be that guy but when Viv(who normally likes a lot of ship art and doesn't discriminate even if the ship is toxic) doesn't like any romantic art with your ship and instead has liked only familiar context where they're like mother and son you should kinda see the writing on the wall. Sorry Holyblades fans either you find another ship or swallow the incest pill.
>>155471737Fuck, the lack of Holyblades in Viv's likes is the thing that convinced me Lute!Eve is real in the first place.
>>155472356I mean regardless of Lute=Eve it tells you that at least it's a stepmom hanging out with her stepson dynamic. It's just that Lute being Eve reveals it's literally mom hanging out with her literal biological son. Not to be an ass but Holyblades always felt like "we must ignore canon hard" ship.
>>155472390People can ship whatever problematic thing they want. But if you’re shipping something the creator has framed as virtually anything but romantic (specifically familial) or where the VA for one of the characters has now (indirectly) said twice that she’s his mother, and you unironically think it has a genuine chance of becoming canon, you are setting yourself up for heartbreak. You’re purposefully ignoring everything pointing in the opposite direction. I think that's the part that gets me annoyed and doesn't allow for sympathy. At least ships like guitarqueen know their stuff doesn't have a chance. They're not trying to convince people it's superior or that it's actually happening. They don't act like crybaby victims when someone dares to talk about their ship in an unfavorable way, or try to act like they have the high moral ground.
>>155471623Lol is this the one popular shipper, whisp or something?
>>155470448thats right...could it be that Lilith was never the person she claimed to be?
>>155472781Yep. If the theory is getting traction with Holyblades shippers and they're finding it plausible you know it's actually plausible.
I'm not against Lute=Eve (mostly undecided, maybe 55-60% in favour) but find it strange how everyone posting here is for it and no one is arguing against. A lot of the clues seem like schizo stuff and everyone is treating it as foregone fact. VAs tend to have a 'don't confirm or deny' answer to fan speculations and this could explain Vosk's behaviour. Not dismissing it but it seems overly speculative for the confidence anons have.My cards on the table: I think it'd be funny and, like most people here, want more Adam/Lute content. Otherwise I don't have a strong bias for it.
>>155473188>how everyone posting here is for it and no one is arguing against.This is actually relatively new. You're probably not a chronologically online person, which is very good don't change that, but this theory was heavily ridiculed and criticized until it only recently. Even though Jessica essentially softly confirmed the theory 2 years ago, it never took off. Before that, Rosie/Eve/Lilith was all the rage. It still is in certain parts of the fandom because of the alleged leaks. Before that nobody questioned the authenticity of said leaks though. It took a few loud fans like Looty to get people to actually look into this shit. >A lot of the clues seem like schizo stuff and everyone is treating it as foregone fact.A lot of this stuff comes from Jessica herself, which is dubious admittedly, however, the biggest thing is that she requoted the theory herself 2 years ago. I don't know how Twitter works exactly other than you like stuff and things appear in your timeline. This theory didn't exist 2 years ago like that. So she either looked for it or it just magically appeared on her timeline. But for her to not only give it a like, repost it and respond to it? Please. And then everything that has been said or done since then only supports the theory and Lute is doing almost everything the Eve in the leaks has been doing anyway. A lot of it is actually not schizo stuff. We aren't looking at frames paused at specific times or looking at symbolism that may or may not be there.>Confirm or denyNobody asked her to confirm the theory. Again, she requoted it herself. It absolutely was not a popular theory.
>>155473188>VAs tend to have a 'don't confirm or deny' answer to fan speculations and this could explain Vosk's behaviourShe was the one that actually brought up the theory herself. This concept was made fun of for a very long time because of how ridiculous it sounds on the surface. I'm very curious to know what schizo stuff you're talking about though? Because everything has either been said by Jessica, Viv or Sam, or it's stuff found on production material.
What surprises me more is people acting like Jessica would repeatedly entertain such a niche, specific theory purely to create confusion. Why would she even bother implying something as seemingly outrageous as Lute being Eve when she can hype up Vaggie/Lute or something? She could tease Lute’s backstory in a hundred other ways without touching that theory at all. But sure, Jessica repeatedly feeding into “Lute is Eve” specifically means absolutely nothing, apparently. lol.
>>155473491Exactly. That's the thing with Lute=Eve. The repetition. When you're trying to throw people off you tend to invent something on the fly but that thing rarely comes up or matches with other stuff. You can say whatever about Jessica but why do the lines point back and connect to what Viv and her co-creators say? That's the suspect part. Why do the puzzle pieces fit?
>>155471259holyblades shippers feel like they’re closet incest shippers even aside from the theory desu if they already have zero ethical problems to ship an almost-stepmother with an almost-son, and a poor suffering woman with a son of her only close friend, who had been killed, then they might also be okay with incest as well; or they could just make au where chars aren't related and stop worrying about what's going on aroundthey’re just afraid that people will think badly of them, that’s allwhat a hypocrites
>>155473188I don't think the Jessica Vosk devil emoji tweet is proof enough. However it's not only that, it's a whole string of different things both inside the show (especially imagery in Gravity) and outside the show (comments from Viv, Jessica and Sam in publicly accessible resources). There's true schizo stuff like hearsay 'leaks' too but I consider them lesser. Basically: it's not just one thing, it's lots and lots of things. I'm about 90% positive it's happening. If it's not happening then I'll be disappointed but I'll get over it.I think it's gripped imaginations on /co/ for two main reasons: /co/ likes Guitarspear and /co/ likes feeling like they know something the rest of the fanbase does not know.
>>155473813Yeah, bullshitting about something once is whatever. Amir has done that shit multiple times. Doesn't mean anything. Talking about similar themes surrounding it, and then bringing it up again...? Not only that, but it aligns with what's been said from the other crew members? Yeah. We're going to get suspicious.
I'd also point out that until recently nobody put the same energy into questioning why people took Roo!Eve as fact - and people have taken it as fact for years - without evidence.
>>155473903Yep. It's actually the same thing with Lilith being Eve. There's zero evidence of a whole doppelganger thing going on. The fandom has legit gaslit themselves into thinking there is. But have someone who is not at all familiar with viv's past work, the leaks, doesn't participate in the cancerous fandom or anything... Nobody gets that vibe. It's not there. But Lute/Eve Is dismissed as a schizo theory at worst, or "funny" at best (like the other anon was saying), as if it doesn't have mountains of evidence.
Honestly at this point we need someone to ask Viv in a Q&A session or interview if Eve in her universe still loves/has feeling for Adam(a pretty non spoilery question). If she answers yes then not only do we have confirmation but Lilith=Eve is dead and buried.
>>155458167>>155458270>>155458320>>1554584061/8"Barren"
We know that Lute's making it to Season 5. We know she's being set up to be extremely important. We know that Lute is getting more songs with Adam and Abel and their voices are deliberately supposed to harmonize. We know Eve is also going to be important. Does the show really have enough time to bring in an entirely separate Eve character now who hits most of the same notes as Lute?
>>1554739982/8
>>155473993I would say that is a spoiler though because there's no setup for it. We have zero idea on what Eve is even like currently or in the past. With Roo, there's no spoiler because it's been set up and it's been in the show since season one.
>>1554740123/8
>>155473249 >>155473283By 'schizo stuff' I was referring to anons last thread analyzing a necklace, Lute's facial physiognomy and her name being positioned next to sliced apples in Lilith's S2E2 scene. Potential clues albeit still speculative, but I guess that's my fault complaining about fan spec in a fan thread between seasons.>>155473491I suppose my main reservation is that Jessica's online footprint is sloppy professionalism if the theory is true. The reveal itself would be one of the biggest twists of the show, and to be revealed like that is...strange and anticlimactic. Which makes me wonder if she's throwing people off the trail. I still prefer the theory to Roo walls-of-text, fujo ships or whatever Reddit is talking about.IMO the best circumstantial evidence is what people have mentioned about Lute being his literal subordinate, following his orders, loving him, and never challenging his BS, which fits the Yas Lilith Feminist Slay Queen theming. Eve in this version of the story is essentially an automaton/robot. Which, for my own schizo 2c, could dovetail with previous theories about how the Exorcists were created for the Exterminations and weren't already autonomous angels. Maybe Eve had her mind downloaded onto a new body, being effectively a robot herself.
>>1554740314/8
>>155474052
>>155474048apologies for the visual abortion that was this comment spacing
>>155474009This is another big reason. The logistics. We've only had what 16 episodes so far for two seasons? Each episode is not even 30 minutes. Half of those 30 minutes are just songs? So you're telling me they're going to introduce some random bimbo horror that we've never met before, have not heard about before except those two times, maker to be a badass girl boss, have a sympathize with her (God help this character if she hates Adam. Whether you like or hate, Adam doesn't matter, narratively he set up in a way that we're supposed to remember him and maybe even sympathize with to a certain point) and she's going to be doing basically everything Lute has been doing? That is so fucking redundant.Imagine if they pull a Stella and Andre though. like, Lute is the one that's going crazy, but then they introduce Eve, and she takes over while Lute is sidelined lol
>>155474071fucked up already.6/8
>>155474048Oh yeah, that is schizo stuff. The truer Lute/Eve theorists don't claim that shit. That's stupid shit. Things like oh, the shape of her eyes, or how the blood stains on her uniform look like an apple etc
>>1554740857/8
>>155474048>Jessica's online footprint is sloppy professionalism That's exactly what it is though. Have you actually bothered to look through her interviews? She can't keep a secret to save her life. Also, in case you didn't know, this is her first animated role ever. She genuinely fucked up and spoiled it. That's it.
>>1554740998/8
>>155474048>I suppose my main reservation is that Jessica's online footprint is sloppy professionalismJessica's a Broadway actress - she's used to live shows with single-sitting stories everyone already knows by heart - I bet most of her usual audience have already streamed all the songs from each musical on Spotify before they ever see her live. This is the first time she has EVER been involved in serialised storytelling, she will be used to talking about her characters as if everyone already knows them.
>>155474052>>155474071>>155474085>>155474099KINOOOOOOO
>>155474048>I was referring to anons last thread analyzing a necklace, Lute's facial physiognomy and her name being positioned next to sliced apples in Lilith's S2E2 sceneOkay this IS schizo stuff lol but I'm a hardcore truther and none of the above things even crossed my mind as 'evidence'.
>>155474261I second this, and I've been believing this theory ever since that tweet. This is pure schizo shit. None of that is even GOOD evidence.
>>155474261>>155474276This is the kind of evidence you use in your arsenal for your theories when they are not backed up by any of the crew members, the va's, production material etcLute/Eve literally has all that other stuff.
Imo Vosk can afford to be a little loose lipped because nobody is gonna believe her until it happens anyway. The fandom literally doesn't care
>>155474411there's still people out there who think adam forced lilith to go to heaven as part of the deal, when lute threatens to make her go back to hell. there's no helping them.
>>155474293nta but what if lute is a copy of eve?as in eve is still in hell as a sinner but allowed herself to have her mind copied and make a body replica for sera to make so at least some part of eve would make it to heaven since redemption was impossible at the timelute thinks she is eve but she isn't yet she loves adam the same way
>>155474469This is so convoluted and still requires Eve to have screentime and her own arc exploring the Fall of Man from a feminist perspective. We don't have time for this
Don't get me wrong, I'm open-minded and you guys may be winning me over. Another doubt, though minor, is that pulling off a genuine Lute-Eve requires a faith in Viv's writing skills that exists in the same universe as Stolitz shenanigans. Though Hazbin probably has a tighter writing team...This all begs the question: Why would Eve work under her husband as a professional butcher where neither of them acknowledge the other's identity? Is it simply a memory wipe? Maybe it's related to Lilith's deal. Maybe Lute's growing insanity is the beginning of a literal disintegration, her past identity intruding in...
>>155474495Most truthers believe Lute is 100% aware of who she is and has NOT been tampered with in any way. It is Adam who has been tampered with not to remember her. It's a punishment for Eve; she isn't worthy of being his wife any more but she must still be his helper and help clear the mess she made (aka her cursed descendants).
>>155473998>>155474012>>155474031>>155474052>>155474071>>155474085>>155474099>>155474110What's funny about the comic is that if Lute is Eve then this sort of thing is more her style. Especially if she initially went to Hell. Like Roo could have supplied her with the weapon and idea of making Lilith's "abandonment of her duties" a permanent punishment. Sinner Eve secretly asks Lilith to meet up. Lilith shows up all high and mighty and expects gratitude for gifting Eve "free will". Eve stabs her directly in the womb (makes more sense for her to do it than Adam since she's probably more aware of female internal anatomy). Then she proceeds to gloat and rub it in Lilith face that she's the Mother of Humanity and only she had the right to have children.
>>155473188Isn't that the case with any theory? People who want this to be true will stretch every crump to make it a real, people who hate it will do the oppositeIt's just most people here are from the first campAnd I’m one of those who very want the theory to become canon, but think there’s a 0,0001% chance of that happening. In my view, all the facts fit much better with the "another big villain" version in this quite primitive showAlso, I don’t trust the authors, they're too woke to make Eve such eww person as they had already portrayed poor Lute"Look at that dummy who’s always making the bad choices, look at her getting exactly what she deserves! We’re going to humiliate her for five whole seasons! It’s satisfying to watch, isn’t it? Just don't be like her, be like good characters! Make the right choices!" - this is how authors present the most important female character? Seriously? It doesn't seem to me that this was done on purpose to show how everyone treats Eve. This looks more like personal Viv's position about conservative, religious, fanatical (and dangerous) people whom she strongly condemns for obvious reasons, and she made one for her show, as another plot device
>>155474411She already spoiled it 2 years ago. Her supposed fans don't give a shit..
>>155474469This is my second favorite theory but we've already discussed that one, there's no time for it. There's literally no time for that. As in the show is very short, and you would still have to introduce an additional EV character that we have not met, we know nothing about her, we're going to have to sympathize with her, and we're going to have to root for her. Why am I going to root for some random Lilith look-alike and her endeavor for revenge when I have Lute right there?
>>155474495>Viv's writing skillsIt's worth bearing in mind that Adam and Lute and presumably by extension Eve are elements of the show that underwent very heavy rewrites and development under the supervision of A24. They do not exist as we know them in the pilot era and of all the characters have likely had the most outside writing influence.
>>155474574Lute has a lot of "fans". It's why she's probably the most larped character in Hazbin.
>>155474495It doesn't require Faith. We're not necessarily arguing that it's going to be a good execution. Loathe as I am to admit it, the Lute/Eve theory is, if true which I believe it is, is not the best setup within the show. And this is coming from the person who put the Lute Google doc together. In a fandom that needs to be spoon-fed everything (look at how they act with a character that HAS been setup: Roo) Viv could have made it a little bit more obvious? It's no wonder that people look at a frame with Lilith and slices of apples, and think that's the Eve doppelganger
>>155474495>Is it simply a memory wipe? This question pisses me off so much. Why is that the first assumption of this theory when Lute's entire fucking Arc hinges on not only Adam dying and her love for Adam, but what she has endured in the past? It makes no fucking sense that she wouldn't know who she is. Holy convoluted theory is Batman. Come on people. No, she's not a clone. No, she doesn't have amnesia. Yes, she's a shit mom to Abel. She's just Eve. That's it.
>>155474556>think there’s a 0,0001% chance of that happening. In my view, all the facts fit much better with the "another big villain" version in this quite primitive showWith all due respect, and I'm, I'm genuinely trying to be nice... If you come out reading everything that's been said about this theory, all the evidence, which is not made up by the way, and you still don't see how it aligns with Lute / think it lines up with Lilith being and Eve doppelganger or some shit, I'm afraid you're media literacy is shit and no better than the people that, even after Viv just debunked it, are still saying that Roo is Eve.
>>155474624Yeah I'm of the same opinion. I genuinely think Lute=Eve is happening. Is it done super well? Eh. Was Lute=Eve a necessary mystery? Considering the fandom intelligence probably not. Was it made even worse by Vox filler season? FUCKING YES.As it currently is and considering the overall intelligence of the fandom Eve hiding her identity behind the persona of Lute was not the right choice. If Lute was just Eve from the beginning then it would have been more understandable for the morons on why she's like this and what her motivations are. Vox season wouldn't have had such a blue balling effect when it comes to important lore and stuff happening. And high chance we wouldn't have that many Lute and Adam Larpers.
>>155474637I'm less sure about this because in S2 we are given a lot more access to Lute's internal thoughts & reactions, not just in seeing her rage and sing alone, but also the Adam tulpa reflecting her thoughts back at her. Why doesn't Hallucinated Adam call her Eve or 'wife', and why doesn't she call him 'husband'? These are her private thoughts so she shouldn't need to hide her identity from him or the other angels. IF she is Eve and IF she knows that she is Eve.
>>155474722Can only assume they wanted a big plot twist to generate hype and buzz. That or it's daring metacommentary on how people will overlook the real Eve because they're compelled to put women in a box (it's not this but it sure is ironic)
>>155474754Hallucination Adam never once calls her 'Lute', did you notice?
>>155474754>Why doesn't Hallucinated Adam call her Eve or 'wife', and why doesn't she call him 'husband'?Jessica has said in two separate instances that she thinks of herself as a loser and that she works hard, but it comes across in a misunderstood way respectively. Viv has also reinforced the second point, also saying that she doesn't get the respect she thinks she deserves. And then of course she rages when Vaggie calls her a failure.Lute have low self-esteem issues. She probably never thought she was worthy of being Adam's wife. I refer you back to Eve's seen in the storybook, looking all sad under the tree. Why do you really think she took the apple?
>>155474754The in universe answer is that she's suppressing that stuff and tries not to think about it because it will break her. The out of Universe answer is because it's Vox filler season and Viv can't have Hallucination Adam spoil yet the fact she's Eve. That's for the end of S3.
>>155474551it would had been for the apple but also to deny Lilith the motherhood she threw away and wanted back.makes sense that the birth of Charlie would have required more than just conception but tons of deals for a miracle to even take place.
>>155474759I'm pretty sure the metacommentary here was purely accidental. It fits but it was definitely not planned. More of a byproduct of the fandom being fucking stupid and stubborn.
>>155474759There is something so absurdly funny that Viv is actually kind of doing a good job with this. In the sense that, she finds it unfair how women are blamed for sin, and making a commentary about how women are overlooked and talked over. Here we have this raging bitch, going crazy about a guy who didn't even look twice her way apparently, not being respected by the system she upholds so dutifully.....NOOOOO, no way, she's too much of a bitch, she's not pretty enough, she's abusive.. There's no way she's the mother of humanity. Everyone knows the mother of humanity is perfect and beautiful and a goddess. Please tell me this irony is not lost on people.
>>155474802after the apple and bringing so much evil into the world through her fallen children, yup, I bet she was proud and honored to be Adam's wife but over time she and the rest of Humanity just saw her as the one who fucked up.kinda sad.
>>155474833She's not sexy evil enough, she's just messy evil.
>>155474813Exactly. Roo basically had Eve/Lute help her by pushing Lilith into making a deal with her for Charlie after Eve/Lute castrated her. I love the idea that Roo is this absolute mastermind pulling the strings and having elaborate Domino games where one pawn creates another or sets the right events in motion.
>>155474833Not to mention that Adam is already a schlub and not remotely fatherly but only Eve has to stick to the ideal standard.
>>155474858She's not tall enough, pretty enough, nice enough, tragic enough, sad enough, seductive enough... She fits better as the sidekick archetype, the scrappy lesbian daughter archetype.. No way this character is Eve. Oh what's that? Jessica called her a mastermind and a girl boss? No no, she obviously doesn't know what she's talking about. Lute can be a girl boss and a mastermind, but not like THAT, obviously
>>155474858Still HOT.
>>155474878You point this out, and they tell you that it's just different. Why? It just is!!! Eve is supposed to be perfect and motherly!!!!!
>>155474883>She's not tall enoughThis one always gets me because she is A RIB and Abel's the same height as her
>>155474909Eve got subjected to the male height elitism. Poor woman. "You must be this tall to date Adam"
>>155474874it makes you wonder if Charlie is compromised and that she is another pawn, perhaps evil can now spread to Heaven thanks to Sir Pentious.and whats terrifying is how patient Roo is at this, she is willing to wait thousands of years for her to spring up her trap, just a single moment to cause a domino effect or cause a situation to snowball...perhaps Roo will be that one scary bitch that doesn't need to shout or be emotional but rather ruthless and straight to the point.
>>155474754the adam tulpa is actually a pretty compelling point of evidence for lute=eve, just not in that way. rewatch the scene where tulpa adam confirms that he doesn't know what lute doesn't know. it's a common fandom belief that the preceding 'i never got to tell you that-' was going to end with 'i love you' had the tulpa not interrupted to say 'you think i didn't already know?'. however, watch lute's hands closely when she says 'did you?'. she reaches out to touch adam. now, assuming that fandom belief is the case, she knew not to or was too afraid of rejection to confess her feelings for him while he was alive. however, in that case, why does she still reach out to touch him at 'did you?'? why would she assume on the spot that he'd reciprocate her feelings and want her touch, when she withheld her feelings the entire time they knew each other?but replace 'i never got to tell you that i love you' with 'i never got to tell you that i'm eve', and suddenly she's not reaching out to a man she had a crush on, but her husband. her husband who might've figured out who she really was, or might not, but she'll never know now. who was never SUPPOSED to know, hence her shocked face and voice at 'did you?'.
>>155474909Which is funny considering it might be one of her insecurities. Like when Lilith showed up she probably felt wrong/inferior since she was so short by comparison. Heck her developing an almost Small Dog syndrome from that where she tries to compensate by being aggressive and intimidating is very interesting.
>>155474903Idk why anyone wouldn't want to be descended from her. Our gory, revolting, hard as nails mother. May we be as hard to kill as she is.
>>155475135canonically STINKY
>>155475182The smell of SUCCESS
>>155475182She's just like ME!!! SHE'S JUST LIKE ME FOR REAL!!?!?
>>155475182Adam doesn't seem to mind.
>>155475135I like how that first image looks reminds me of the Eve silhouette in the book. The colors palette is just inverted. Like, she was holding the apple containing all the evil, and now the evil is spilled all around her.
>>155475238Makes him hungry mmmmm animal carcasses.
>>155475135I just realised is Lute/Eve basically a Dawi from Warhammer fantasy? Her whole thing is grudges and revenge. She's short (by Hazbin standards) and probably pointing that out will piss her off. She's stubborn and spiteful. Her whole Lute thing is basically her taking the slayer oath (especially if she cut her hair which was long while she was Eve). Much like a Dawi her ideal body type in a partner is round with a big belly.
>>155475325adam pointing out that she's short would make her blush though. pocket sized, perfect for perching.
>>155475325Lute likes em fat because her primitive monkey brain equates it with being a good provider for her and offspring.
>>155475344He gets the S-word pass. He's technically an exception.
Which Sinner is Lute/Eve most likely to befriend after her redemption? Are there any she would feel proud of?
>>155476099Jessica's headcanon is that Lute would find Rosie the 'least offensive' overlord to work with and sign a deal with.
You know considering the sheer amount of art of Lute being pregnant and having Adam's kid I wonder if people somehow subconsciously knew she was Eve. Like there's a ton of it.
Lute x Roo could be called PrimeEvil as a pun on primeval and prime rib.
>>155476607most see Lute as a lowkey good mom, you don't notice but they totally see a mama bear in her and when its just them in private she is the sweetest thing ever.
Would you believe me if I told you this is supposed to be Hazbin Adam and Roo-Eve
>>155476783No.
>>155476802Well. It is supposed to be
Eve invented meat eating. After they were kicked out of Eden it never occurred to Adam they could eat the animals until Eve helpfully suggested it
>>155476951d'a~w, Adam's love for ribs came from Eve first perfectly roasted wild cow ribs.
>>155477020It was probably more like finding her eating raw dead rats.
I like the thought of there being something viscerally raw and human about Eve her immediate predecessors didn't have. Less divine dust and more flesh and bone.
>>155477094Descending from the rib mother in an unbroken line of gore...
>>155477183I think the discourse following the Lute is Eve reveal will be literally that meme with the thinking cap guy saying "this sucks actually" while it's literally the coolest shit ever.
>>155477651It's a cooler story for Eve than being possessed by an eldritch thing and having no agency.
Rewatching Gravity again. Hallucination Adam sort of smirks at her after she says 'does no-one know who they're dealing with'.
>>155477793True but that won't stop the fandom from being retarded.
Okay, okay, call me a schizo if you want but I think this scene is the biggest piece of evidence for Lute=Eve within the confines of the show itself.>Lute sings 'the only soul who's ever completed you'>Adam slides up so he has a curved rib-esque shard of a broken record embedded in his chest, and gives her a cryptic smile>Lute straddles Adam's body, pulls the rib shaped shard out of his chest and flies up with it>Lute uses the shard to shatter a mural of Heaven and Hell on the ceilingLike I think this is deliberate. The choreography in the songs is very deliberate.
>>155477969Also keep in mind the shard is leaning more his right side. The side that wasn't visible in the bff merch. The side which Lute tends to favour when standing near him. The side where his rib might have been extracted from. Funny enough all the rib scar fanart has it be on his left side. Adam got unintentionally Zuko'd.
>>155477969I definitely think Lute’s “Does no one know who they’re dealing with?” has a double meaning. The Castilian Spanish dub makes it even more interesting: she says “They don’t know who I really am.” Contextually, it conveys the same idea, but given how much of Lute’s identity and backstory remains hidden, I thought that wording was worth pointing out.
>>155478220Don't we see some kind of scar on Adam in the recent march? Through the fishnet?
>I'm Eve. And I don't mean it metaphorically or rhetorically or poetically or theoretically or in any other fancy way. I'm Eve, straight up. And I've come for you, Charlotte Morningstar.
>>155478557PLEASE, SHE LITERALLY NEEDS TO SAY THIS FOR THE AUDIENCE TO GET IT
>>155474662Don't worry, I see how all theory evidences work perfectly, but only from a subjective point of view and in an ideal world I also see how more primitive real things could be in the real world with poor hellaverce fanfic writing Your understanding of real people (like Viv and her team) is shit. You can build amazing plot constructions, but it still may have nothing to do with reality just because Viv hates religious fanatics so much she makes scapegoat character to show how wrong they are, and is able of seeing Eve only as uwu femAbel So, good luck not falling off your high pedestal next year
>>155478604Nta but you have no counterarguments other than Viv bad.
>>155478389since it goes all over his body it's more likely a highlighting decorative choice, but adam also having a fucked up all-over body scar from the process of having the rib ripped out (or becoming an archangel) would be pretty cool.
>>155478604>I also see how more primitive real things could be in the real world with poor hellaverce fanfic writing>Your understanding of real people (like Viv and her team) is shit.>You can build amazing plot constructions, but it still may have nothing to do with realityWAIT A MINUTE?!???? IT THIS WHO I THINK IT IS????
>>155478582>well clearly eve is a codename for 'wow EVil Enemy'
>realityIs he back?
>>155478667This guy is too esl to be the King
>>155478690You think? Becauseeeee he often refers to this kinda shit as 'reality' and 'fantasy'. Hmmm,
>>155478703Big B is convinced his elaborate batshit theories will be real. His grammar and sentence construction is weird but English is still clearly his first language. This guy is ESL and argues different points.
>>155478727Fair enough!
Looty's tweets are getting people pretty fuckin' riled up now. They're scared.
>>155478924They can't deny the evidence anymore. People thought she was actually making shit up.
>>155478995Watching this gain traction in real time is a blast!
>>155478924Ahw jeez. What are they saying?
>>155478881Cute.
>>155478924>>155478995>>155479058>>155479109Keep a cool head Looty. Those fucks might get stupid/insane enough to try and dox you or throw other shit your way.
TransLute/Bugcuck is back?
>>155479134I do get pissed off, admittedly. I need to cool down though. Watching the chaos unfold is a lot more fun. People are really losing their minds over this.
>>155479134She uses a dedicated account that only talks about the theory, I don't think there's much to find.
>>155479162Yup, and I did that on purpose. I was clogging up my personals with this Lute/Eve brainrot. Might as well just put it on one place.
>>155479158You're always free to bitch about Twitter over here. It's our national pasttime.
>>155479158>>155479198Recommend shit talking the people that annoys you here(I sometimes do the same). Less chance of problems happening and a good way to relax and decompress.
>>155479198I’m genuinely flabbergasted half the time because, to be frank, I'm hella slow. I'm an actual neurodivergent piece of shit who's highest reading level comprehension is probably no father than the sixth grade. So how the hell am I managing to follow something the fandom insists is impossibly ambiguous? Roo is Evil because the story literally tells us she is. Evil exists before Eve, Evil is already present at the Tree, and Eve’s actions allow Evil to finally enter the world. Yet somehow we’re still at “there’s no evidence Roo is Evil” or “Roo could still be Eve.” Like, y’all, if a moron like me can follow what the show is practically spelling out in capital letters, what are we doing here? Not just this but other stuff too...
>>155479109Someone called MY great post that she screencapped for her twitter a 'strawmanny 4chan post'. ts pmo
>>155479304STRAWMANNY 4CHAN POST LMAO
>>155479304Which post? I'm genuinely curious.
>>155479320One about fans already making up their minds what Eve's supposed to look like yadda yadda
Apparently she 'Cited it as a source'
>>155479347Wait y'all have me looking through my posts now. This one?? https://x.com/Lute__CEO/status/2087055671569379622?s=20I only cited the first mention of the old leaks (which was on 4chan) as a source... as far as I remember,
>>155479372Yeah that's my strawmanny 4chan post. That was a source you cited apparently because people can't or don't read
>>155479372Oh the second reply with greentext is me
>>155479395THAT'S NOT A SOURCE. I WAS AGREEING WITH THE POINTS YOU WERE MAKING. THAT'S NOT EVEN THE CORRECT TERMINOLOGY NOR THE POINT OF THE POST--. Kay, know what, whatever... lol I'm noticing when people vehemently disagree with something they use terms like 'strawman' or shit. You can just say, hey, I don't like this...
>>155479411We're being slandered. Shall we sue
what are we gonna do when the Lute/Eve reveal happens....
>>155479439If it's true then I'm winning a bet
>>155479439Idk? Celebrate. Maybe have a victory orgy?
>>155479444I have a bet going on too!>>155479447Right, the victory orgy. I'll bring snacks.
>>155479458Jokes aside here's not much we can do. I'm mostly waiting for the payoff for my vague posting elsewhere and a guy who genuinely believed twin theory to glaze my ass for being right (funny enough I didn't eve tell him about Lute being Eve but that twin theory isn't going to happen. My victory conditions are no twin theory or Rosie=Eve).
>>155478557>>155478557This comes right after Lucifer tries to land a blow on her but fails spectacular cuz, y’know, she’s a Sinner.> Charlie: “… you’re not an Angel… you’re…!”> Lute: “Eve.”And that line about not being metaphorical, rhetorical, etc is probably due to how the same conversation with Abel went. XD
>>155479522I wonder if Lute/Eve will deliver some chatartic Lucifer abuse
>>155479439Continue to overfeed Adam and exterminate sinners.
it such a shame the show will focus only on Eve and not have more worldbuilding than bareboned stuff.what about spin-off stories and tales that recall events from the distant past? for example the book of enoch or the tale of atlantis.just imagine the nephilim and cambions being real, having a sort of early samurai jack type of vibe.
>>155479637
>>155479522>>155479575Lute would probably end Lucifer in the exact same way Niffty killed Adam, she will unleash her inner victorian london street urchin energy and stab his ass to death, worse part for Charlie is that she will know by then that her father deserved it.
>>155479683NGL if Lucifer dies that way then Hazbin becomes the best show of all time.
>>155479630Is there such a thing as overfeeding Adam?
Did Viv not just debunk this or...
I'll be honest, the main reason I support Lute=Eve is I'm a Guitarspear shipper and I also like Adam and Eve symbolism and I don't want to choose. I want to have both at the same time.
>>155479756it will involve Charlie being in the exact same position of a victim from Earth, Lute wouldn't be sorry for killing the man that ruined her life and in her eyes now they are even for Adam's death.would Charlie forgive Lute if she killed her father? she is on the other side now, its up to her to break the cycle of violence.as for Lute, she'll get a modicum of justice and peace of mind...but then having no true purpose to go forwards.
>>155479947It’d be a god of war situation where the cycle of violence has to eventually stop and Charlie knows she’ll have to be the one to do so,As for Lute!Eve, let her murder a truly repentant Lucifer. Guess what? It’ll give her no satisfaction in succeeding. At best, it’ll last a few minutes, tops.
>>155480181Speaking of God of War,> “Why isn't she dead? Are you talking? Who told you to do that?! You don't talk! You don't THINK! I think, you kill! It's a simple fucking concept!”> “Abel was right about you... I just didn't want to see it.”> “What is this?! Are you broken?! I am your MOTHER! You kill who I tell you to kill!”~ Eve berating one of her nephilim-zombie-demon children when they refuse to kill Charlie or Vagi.
>>155479912People will ignore Viv literally debunking something because they formed a parasocial relationship with their headcanon.
>>155480181I mean, thats how it will go probably, she finally got revenge on the guy and maybe Lilith too if she was involved, but it brought her nothing.it didn't fix her issues nor the problems caused, if anything the end of Lucifer will be anticlimatic for Lute as now she has no one else to blame nor there was a significant change, other than Charlie and few others...the majority wouldn't judge her or even be surprised at this nor blame her for her reaction neither judge her for it.imagine her looking like Kratos after killing Zeus, the world was a chaotic mess and it was his fault.right then and there, Charlie will have a crucible as she now has to decide if she drops her mercy for revenge or stay firm to her belief and stand down.it fits the show, no Lute has nothing else to look forwards as even killing all Sinners on Hell wouldn't fix it and the biggest proof was Lucifer's death...even if she killed every Human on Earth it wouldn't stop evil from being a problem.
>>155480181>As for Lute!Eve, let her murder a truly repentant Lucifer. Guess what? It’ll give her no satisfaction in succeeding. At best, it’ll last a few minutes, topsNot sure about that chief. She'd definitely feel zero remorse and she would feel incredible satisfaction from killing Lucifer. Hell at worst she'd be sad she didn't get to torture him for that long.
>>155480216I think it'll fit Cain more if he got a redemption arc, Abel will get through his brother's skull that killing didn't solve the problem and by then Cain would know it to be true.
>>155480428probably, but if we go with the route of having no goal beyond it or rather feeling emptiness after fulfilling a long time goal, then I think Lute/Eve would get more of a malaise and enter a crisis of sorta, because she thought she would get a reward for everything Lucifer caused but seeing barely an improvement.Adam is still gone, people are still dying and doing horrible things to each other, etc...Lute/Eve will think that by killing Lucifer, she would kill the very source of evil in Humanity and correct her mistakes at last.
>>155482289I am beginning to see an hyperfocus on Lute/Eve theories far more than necessary, the guitarqueen shit managed to revitalize the thread but not much.how about a small green about Lucifer and Lilith confrontation after Heaven kicks her out forever.
>>155482472>far more than necessary,And who made you the authority on what qualifies as “necessary”?
>>155482586no one, yet pointing it out doesn't make me the bad guy.
>>155474802 & othersThis effectively means that the 'camera eye' is only on Lute when she doesn't directly think about Eve, and there are presumably off-screen moments when she would think about it more in depth that aren't shown to the viewer. Effectively the show is selectively 'editing' or reporting her thoughts in a way to force a plot twist further down the line. Reverse dramatic irony. IMO this is quite shoddy writing if it's true. This is literally the type of thing I'd have done when I was 14 brainstorming plotlines, to force dramatic tension at the cost of believability.S2E2 gives us unprecedented insight into Lute's internal thoughts, and for Eve to not be referenced beyond some cryptic hints like >>155474775 >>155474992 strains credulity IMO, if she is fully aware of her identity as Eve.Based on what people have said, it's more believable that she's suppressing it like >>155474803 says or has had her mind wiped.
>>155482652I like this HOWEVER, to that I say: what about the plate of ribs Adam was eating? She was there.
>>155482652For fuck’s sake, no, her memory isn’t wiped. Nothing even suggests that. Good lord. Everything about Lute as we currently know her points toward overcompensation: her obsessive adherence to dogma, her fixation on hierarchy, the extremity of her hatred toward sinners, and the sheer violence with which she enforces Heaven’s judgment. Jessica’s repeated comments about Lute’s hidden history, trauma, internal conflict, and the deeper meaning behind her actions only reinforce the idea that her past is actively driving who she is now. Deadass giving her amnesia would undermine half of what makes that characterization compelling.
>>155482586You can complain about it and make an observation, sure, but “far more than necessary” implies there’s some objective amount that would’ve been appropriate in the first place. There isn’t. You personally think it’s excessive. That doesn’t make it unnecessary. If you want find it excessive, make a separate thread or simply just talk about something else.
>>155482757>>155482652Adding to this: just this past weekend, Jessica was asked whether Lute is motivated by her past and emphatically agreed. Whatever happened to Lute is actively informing who she is and what she does in the present. She doesn’t have fucking amnesia, lmao. Nothing about her current characterization points to that.
>>155482652>>155482725I am starting to believe that Lute and Eve are the same person but different in how they function.think of this a something similar to Marika and Radagon, Eve the Sinner is down in Hell and Lute the Winner is up in Heaven.every time Lute goes to sleep, Eve wakes up and prowls around in Hell or even more easily, Eve OG body is still in Hell on a sealed tomb yet her mind is inhabiting her Lute body as per the deal struck for her to be in Heaven which explains her being a demonic Angel.she is a Sinner piloting the body of an Angel.
>>155482774>I am starting to believe that Lute and Eve are the same person but different in how they function.For fuck's sake. Lute is the identity Eve currently lives under: there aren’t two separate versions of her operating simultaneously, no split consciousness, no alternate functions, no fragments, no amnesia. One woman. One continuous person. Something happened to Eve, and she became the woman we now know as Lute. Just like a soldier returning from the war with PTSD.
>>155482472I'd rather have our usually scheduled Lute and Eve speculation than guitarqueen.
god i need them to drop a trailer or teaser or something i don't care if season 3 isn't coming until next summer i need news. has there been any news?
>>155482943Nope... The focus right now is on Helluva, which is getting a trailer on the 16th. All other shows/movies are getting leaked, except Hazbin.
>>155482943Here's your season 3 leak.
Putting all questions of Roo's identity for a moment why are people so fucking mad that Viv talked about her? I swear people are on Viv's case about every tiny think. I've never known a fanbase be so fucking picky.
>>155483310A few inconsistent reasons, honestly:1) A lot of the Roo = Eve crowd were operating under the assumption that Roo was Eve, so Viv explicitly confirming Roo’s existence and identifying her as the Evil God threw a pretty massive wrench into that theory. Some of them are still desperately trying to keep it alive anyway.2) The literal embodiment of Evil presents as a woman, so naturally you’ve also got the “this is misogynistic/woke feminist bullshit” discourse starting up, because apparently an Evil God presenting as female is now a political statement that requires twelve dissertations.3) Piggybacking off #1, a weird amount of people had convinced themselves that Roo’s identity was supposed to be some enormous mystery, or even that Roo and the Evil God might be two separate characters. There's anger because answer ended up being incredibly straightforward: Roo is the Evil God. Viv wasn’t casually spoiling some grand identity reveal because, apparently, her identity was never the mystery people decided it was.4) Viv spoiling she's the big bad of the season which again, was obvious, since Season 5's color is red. I do kinda agree with this one a bit. It's mildly annoying but eh
>>155483335>Some of them are still desperately trying to keep it alive anyway.I noticed after the latest Vosk incident Cqraaa is now proposing Lute was made in Eve's image. Anything to keep Roo!Eve alive and avoid the elephant in the room none of the Flowertunes shippers want to acknowledge.
>>155483417Yup! Saw that lol
>>155483417Isn't their Eve a Lilith #2 with different hair and inspired by Pamela Anderson? Viv liked a bunch of her Eve/Roo and AdamxEve arts. I'm sure she felt like her shit was canon lmao and then Viv debunked that shit
>>155483466She's got such a superiority complex towards Lute and Guitarspear that it's going to a pretty rough ride for her when the train picks up. God, imagine your iconic ship that you're known for in fandom spaces being decanonized because one of the characters just straight up never existed and you just misinterpreted the canon material really badly. That must be so embarrassing.
>>155483501Oh, then if someone who hates both Lute/Adam and Lute herself is willing to concede that Lute may have been made in Eve’s image, she knows she’s fucking cooked. LMAO.
>>155483517Extremely cooked. She hates Lute for having no right to any of Adam's belongings or memories too, which if she's Eve, then uhhh.
Most Flowertunes shippers have it out for Lute specifically, like they'll tolerate other Adam ships but I guess they feel threatened by her
>>155483545lmaoooooo the fact that most likely she's Eve and the Lute/Eve theory has backing from Jessica herself
>>155483501Honestly it's not that bad if she didn't assume her shit was canon AND hated on the character that is canonically in love / besties with the character she likes. People like that and holyblade shippers were asking for this kinda karma
>>155483551Flowertunes shippers be like 'Adam x Eve will always be the one true ship' until Eve doesn't look like their OC
>>155483560Both, just for slightly different reasons.Flowertunes!Eve people because they’ve spent years assigning an entire personality, aesthetic, and relationship dynamic to a character who is inevitably going to show up in the actual show. Headcanoning is fine and dandy, but becoming so married to your own made-up characterization that anything contradicting it feels wrong is just setting yourself up for disappointment.Holyblade shippers, meanwhile, because Lute’s entire arc has snowballed out of Adam’s death, yet they’ll pair her with his son and then act like their ship occupies some moral high ground. It’s a fucking cartoon; ship whatever weird shit you want. But you’re smacked in the head if you genuinely expect canon Lute, who Jessica has repeatedly described as deeply in love with Adam, to turn around and go for his son. Could that premise work as some horrible dramatic love story where both of them eventually realize how profoundly fucked up the situation is and regret it? Sure! But that’s clearly not the type of story Viv is telling here. Especially when the actual romantic setup is Abel/Emily. At this point, you have to close your eyes and plug your ears to convince yourself otherwise.
>>155483560It's the complete lack of interest in Hazbin Eve that gets me. They claim to be so invested in her and now we get the first hints to her identity and personality in years they don't want to listen?
You guys know that, technically, the idea of Eve being a Lilith twin has already taken a pretty significant hit, right? A current Helluva Boss employee has drawn Eve looking extremely similar to Lilith, and because she works for SpindleHorse, people naturally started treating her design like it was secretly canon. She’s had to clarify multiple times that it isn’t, it’s her personal headcanon, and she has no idea what Eve actually looks like. She apparently even finds it funny when people mistake her Eve art for official information. If her design were actually anywhere close to Eve’s unrevealed canon appearance (it also looks remarkably similar to Cqraaa’s) I’d expect Viv/the studio to tell her to knock it off. Then Helluva Boss went and made fun of the whole convoluted “secret twin” trope anyway. None of that independently tells us what Eve does look like, obviously, but the fandom treating Lilith Doppelgänger Eve™ like some near-canon inevitability has never had the foundation people think it does.
If Guitarspear is actually Flowertunes, which name do you use? Or would you invent a new one altogether.
>>155483611The fact that they don't know what Viv has said about Eve. They just focus on the one appearance lol I love Eve and I am all ears when her name is brought up. I'm so tired of seeing blonde Eve. I like the brunette Eves. There's only like... threee ish that I know of who don't draw her like that, and my favorite one has been MIA.
>>155483617Some people came up with good names on these threads, fuck I don't remember them... Something to do with ribs...
>>155483617>>155483628Ribrock is the one I saw here.
>>155483644Hell yeah. Ribrock. Make it a thing.
>>155483617Even the name Flowertunes implies a characterisation of Eve we haven't seen yet!
Imagine if this artist got Eve's design and story right lmao 1/3
>>1554836642/3
>>155483664>>1554836693/3
>>155483644>>155483649RibRock and GuitarRib were the two names proposed.
>>155483664>>155483669>>155483676She's probably blonde in canon. Like I'm sorry but we both know Viv has a fixation.
>>155483955Ribrock rolls off the tongue better
>>155483973Eh for all we know there could be more names proposed when the time comes. These two were just the two names people here came up with.
Guiteve, Adeve, or a non-portmanteau like Genesis, Banished, Eve of HumanityMakes me wonder if the etymology of Old English ‘eve’ is related to her. Probably not.
What do you think Roo sounds like? I personally think she sounds like Annapantsu.
>>155484089Get either Abril Lavigne or Amy Lee to voice her
>>155459141Fuck yeah! Vaggi is SEX!!
>>155484114Do they have the budget or sway for that?
>>155484131Old news but I'm happy for you.
>>155484114Avril's been dead a long time, though I guess her body double would suffice.Amy Lee would make sense for the musical aspect, but I'm not sure how I'd feel about her VAing her; not because I doubt her abilities mind you, but because like with the supposed original plan of having Weird Al voice Lucifer, I feel that I'd have trouble not seeing her dialogue as wangsty.
>>155482472I'm sorry I wasn't there for you my GuitarQueen friend.
>>155484177Imagine if Roo the literal embodiment of evil is the only character who doesn't swear. She just talks like a normal person while being menacing and manipulating.
>>155484240That'd be asking too much of Viv
Sator got pissy at Looty for "stealing their image" (a collage of screenshots) and "pushing her narrative". People are pisseedddddd about Viv disproving Roo being Eve.
>>155482472I liked your greentext and I engaged with it but gunna be honest I come here for Lute Eve talk. We know what we like
>>155484391You can't steal fucking screenshots. It's not art. Looty pay me royalties for using my posts NOW
>>155484391wait what? some1 give me the tea. who's sator
I do think Looty needs to cool it on the confrontation. She's using bug spray tactics on the genteel folx of xitter now and they tend to hold grudges. You can't just rebuke their insults and lies
>>155484391Isn't that the guy who blocks literally everybody for anything? Wait, didn't he also get pissy because an artist drew an Alastor drawing with a similar pose to his Alastor drawing?
>>155484447Jake is that you?
>>155484466No. I rebuked him
>>155484447I don’t confront people like that, though? I actively try to avoid taking over other people’s posts unless I’m directly responding to something they’ve said on one of mine. And if I screenshot someone else’s post to discuss it separately, I always crop out their name.
>>155484464Didn't Viv block him or am I misremembering? Or isn't he Viv's biggest cocksucker? I forget
I still think Roo isn’t female but will take over someone’s body/soul and turn into the woman that Viv drew
People have mentioned the idea of Adam having his memory wiped in order to not recognise Lute/Eve. S1 last ep shows that Adam is aware of his second wife as Lucifer mentions giving her the apple, plus he knows he is the father of humanity with a woman (who isn't Lilith). How would you square this? Did he forget what she looked like but not that she existed? Did he assume that she went to Hell and died in the Exterminations?Re: the general theory, I understand now that Lute would simply drop the name Eve and that's why you don't hear it bandied about, whether by other characters or in her thoughts. Plus a hair & fashion change. No need for amnesia or shapeshifting shenanigans.
>>155484501I think Roo or Heaven could have actively interfered with his memories as well. Hee remembers Eve, he just doesn't remember -his- Eve. Maybe I'm hoping for too much, but they might pull a pseudo flashback memory type shit like they did in Steven Universe with Rose Quartz and Pink Diamond. When her story was being recalled, these two characters interacted despite turning out later that they are the same individual. Maybe something similar will happen here. Roo inserting herself into the narrative basically. Or maybe having did some shit, I wouldn't put it past them, especially with Sera telling Charlie that there's more that they've done that she doesn't know about.Who knows, that may be why former employees who left early say that there is a Lilith 2.0. Because that's what they're going to show, because Heaven put those memories in there.But it's too early to tell, so this just sounds like schizo babble.
>>155484475She's the embodiment of evil. Of course it's gonna have a female form. Plus it's a Viv show. It was to be expected. No possession required here.
>>155484528I don't understand why people can't accept that that's just her design? She's a god. More than likely, she can take whatever form she damn well pleases. Why do people want her to take over other people's bodies like that? Of which, I'm sure she can... But people don't want the brunette humanoid Roo to actually BE Roo....
>>155484501>>155484519Honestly I just think Lute looks fundamentally very different from her OG Eve appearance and stayed enough in character for Adam not to realise it's her. He probably has a feeling but he's convinced it's wishful thinking and he's just imagining things (keep in mind he's not the sharpest knife in the crayon box). Like maybe that's why Lute doesn't have entire mountains of merch. Her Eve form might be substantially different from her Lute one to the extent people don't figure out it's her.
>>155484532It's because Roo looks the most edgy Deviantart OC of them all in the Hellaverse.
>>155484548 I give her a pass because she's kinda hot.
>>155484391>>155484425No give *me* the tea
>>155484607Of course your majesty. Would you require biscuits alongside your tea?
What is Adam’s diet and how many meals does he eat a day?
>>155484623I don't think he had anything set in stone. If he was hungry he would eat. What did he eat? Whatever he was probably craving in the moment.
>>155484519 >>155484541I assume the real meaning of his pre-death smirk was him finally figuring it out.
>>155480428I’m not suggesting she would feel remorse. Rather, I believe that, like Kratos destroying Olympus or any other tunnel visioned character, it will ultimately bring her none of the satisfaction or peace she believes it will.
>>155484665It really depends because I'm pretty sure if that would happen her killing Lucifer would be along the first steps of her "wiping the slate clean". After he's dead her immediate target would be getting rid of all the sinners in the Pride Ring. Lucifer's death would be a "we're back in business" situation which generates hype for more killing.
>>155484640Exactly. I think in that moment of weakness and anguish for her she accidentally dropped some hints (perhaps her voice cadence changing a bit or her subconsciously reacting the same as she did for an older tragedy they had to go through) and he truly figured out she was Eve and that she had been by his side all along.
>>155484541Hmm, I’m not sure they’ll make her appearance too drastically different, but perhaps just different enough that Adam might have done a double take when he first saw her. He might have put it down to Lute and the other Exorcists being based on Eve, so that explained it to him for a while.
>>155484739I guess. Then again I hope it's more substantial than growing out her hair and getting a palette swap.
Do you think there will ever come a time the Hazbin gang, be it Heaven or Hellborn, will ever interact with a living human?
If it's been 1000s of years then she doesn't need to look too different. He's a known dullard and even the brightest minds would forget a lot about appearances in that time span.
>>155484816>Hellborn Only Charlie is hellborn. You mean sinner or winner right? As for the question probably. Really depends. They could interact with one in the HB/HH crossover or maybe technically interact with a "living" human if Cain is still alive.
>>155458167>failed prototype
>>155484912Huh?
>>155484868How do you think that would go?
>>155485035The guys that were once human are kinda shocked and a bit messed up because they start to remember their human lives. Charlie (and maybe Vaggie) are trying to be super nice and not scare them off.
>>155484089Norm McDonald
The discussion around Roo reveals how fundamentally brain dead the fandom is. Didn't ever think I was ever gonna give Viv that much credit but it seems she is somehow more intelligent than the large majority of her show's fanbase.
Eve, Apple, Isaac Newton, Gravity, LuteQ.E.D. It’s all over. I’ve cracked it. Irrefutable.
>>155486177You might be on to something
>>155486177Gravity. Fall of Man
>>155486651>Lute got Adam killed twice>Lute may as well ruined Adam's life>she was very aware and selfconscious about it>Adam never once blamed her>it all went wrong with the apple>and just like when she took a bite so did it came back to bite her>first with ALL of Humanity>and then Adam died by the union of everything she hated about herself and others
>>155486858She should be allowed to kill people with hammers
>>155486916Obviously. As they said she has a very understandable/relatable reason for wanting to kill sinners
>>155483561>... until Eve doesn't look like their self-insert
>>155487153See: every black Eve.
>>155487153An accurate statement. Ever wonder why black Eve was so popular for a while?
>>155487258Black Eve who's a gentle uwu flower baby and the only person who can tame Adam's wild heart. It was a thing. Still is in some corners.
I remember the first round of Eve larper crashouts when Abel was confirmed white
>>155487298Luckily Abel showed up and squashed any doubts that Eve wasn't a white blonde woman. Like did people seriously expect Adam to be the type to dip in the chocolate?
>>155487309You know in retrospect if they wanted to keep the Eve appearance mystery going (her skin and hair colour) they could have made Abel have the same hair colour as his dad.
>>155487254 >>155487258I was about to wonder what you guys were discussing before realising I had seen black Eve art before.Other than ‘woke’ it’s probably because A+E are the progenitors of humanity and they figured his other half would represent the opposite end of the spectrum (white and black).Thinking about human races in the context of Hazbin is funny because you can’t really expect that kind of speciation in 10,000 years. It would be humorous if Mormon Curse of Ham theology was true in Hellaverse.
>>155487336Viv is an idiot. It actually would have been funnier if the son that he likes the least looks the most like him.
>>155487319>did people seriously expect Adam to be the type to dip in the chocolate?Adam. The guy established to be a horny ass mother fucker who's desperate for cooch. Are we talking about the same Adam? You're saying he would NOT? Lmao
>>155487254>>155487258>>155487298>>155487413say, do you know some drawfags that could make a black eve look like this? just as a experiment of sorts...
>>155487430He only fucks heavenborn outside of Eve so unless you're counting seraphims such as Sera and Emily (he hasn't screwed either, but if there are more like them) in fact he's never banged a black woman. He has sex with bugs.
Post niffty.
>>155487463I don't have any niffty. I dont like niffty.
>>155487460There's no black people in heaven? Spotted the KKK member.
>>155487463What's with idiots like you asking for other people to post stuff. You do it.
>>155487491Because I'm in class and don't have my niffty on me Guess I'll draw her when I'm done.
>>155487430Later on yeah he's pretty open minded but did people seriously expect after his only experience with seeing humans being his reflection and his white blonde wife he would immediately jump in the chocolate business?
>>155487460I have a feeling Adam was just straight up bullshitting about banging anyone in Heaven and that he is the type to stay loyal till death, considering how that shit with Lilith went.imagine if he was monogamous and the reason why so many women liked him was because even after all this time he still loved Eve and just wanted to be seen as a cool man, perhaps a reason why Sera tolerated him...she couldn't help but love that romantic aspect of Adam.lowkey husband type.
>>155487414Oh it would have been really funny but also interesting since it would imply he cared more about character rather than appearance.
>>155487580I mean he only talks about that sort of stuff in his meeting with Charlie right? He was obviously stalling for time there so the drone could get the info needed.
>>155487414>>155487586I mean, it makes sense...there is a valid reason he must have went to Heaven.
>>155487580considering that meeting seemed to intentionally be a waste of time while the angel drone searches for the missing and then dead exorcist unnoticed, i'm not against this theory. it'd also make the 'lol adam had a harem and fucked ALL the women!!' and 'adam was a serial rapist including charlie and/or alastor in the final battle somehow' factions finally shut up.
An interesting thread Viv liked on bsky. part 1
>>155487641
>>155487637>adam was a serial rapist including alastor in the final battle somehowWhat? Al is a man. Wtf is with these people.
>>155487656
>>155487624Why is she beating her idiot son?
>>155487612what would have been funny is Charlie getting hyperfixated on Adam instead of hating him, let's say that Charlie notices a small portrait of Eve he has in his desk and he snaps at her for touching it in a very defensive manner.thus revealing that he cares about Eve even after everything thus makes Charlie become obsessive about him.anyways, I bet Adam suspected Charlie for the dead Exorcist as she is the only one with the power to do so and Adam pretty much was ignorant that Angelic Steel harms Angels while also seeing Charlie raising an army against him...was that battle a setup Roo planned?.
>>155487658my brief foray into the adam/alastor tag revealed that much like adam/lilith that poor tag is being abused as merely the catalyst for radioapple.
>>155487676he tugged at her heartstrings and managed to get her mom side out for a second, aka she is just being tsundere.
>>155487702>much like adam/lilith that poor tag is being abused as merely the catalyst for RadioappleThing is that tag is just randomly added most of the time. They use it even for works where they don't interact once or they just start off hating eachother. Like pretty sure that's not how you're supposed to tag.
>>155487688Honestly I like this idea but make it into an AU where Charlie becomes a Eve schizo and is trying to investigate what happened to her. She keeps pressing Adam for information and trying to piece things together until it culminates into her finding out Lute is Eve. You can have it be extra cheeky where her false leads and dead ends are Twin theory, Roo=Eve and Rosie=Eve.
>>155487688idk i think ten seconds in a room with charlie reveals that she doesn't have a killer's eyes. an AU where she WAS the killer could be interesting though, assuming she doesn't fold and confess at the slightest push.
>>155487624>>155487722How will most Holyblades fans react when their art turns out to be incest? Like you think mass delete or just posting a disclaimer.
>>155487765that would be funny in such a meta way, Charlie going on a deep rabbit hole where she straight up creeps and stalks Adam to the point of absurdity, even redemption takes the backside and having her strap-on while tying Vaggie to a chair the moment she finds out she was a Exorcists, Charlie has zero fucks to give she killed Sinners but rather how much she knows about Adam.her going full gremlin and somehow finding Lilith, not to ask where she'd been but rather what she knows about Adam.Charlie snowballing to the point of causing pandemonium to both Heaven and Hell, even better if somehow Charlie can go in and out of Heaven as she pleases.
>>155488044And throughout the whole ordeal you see Lute slightly panicking. Which you'd think it's from having a hellborn demon like Charlie running around freely but it's actually because she's afraid of being found out.
>>155488020never let them live it down.and have the alabama side of many fandoms welcome them to the group.
>>155488081Honestly I'd just suggest TCOAAL for them saying "you'll definitely love this" just to fuck with them. Can't even rebuke me because because I'm not the one who made incest art between mother and son. They literally turned Abel into Chris Chan.
>>155487676He didn't clean his room.
>>155488166She found the cum socks.
>>155488074and Emily will totally join her, they would cause mass panic and give Sera a reason about why she can't take a vacation.Lute will lowkey be panicking and adding to the fire, Adam will be entertained enough to be clumsy and leave "clues" for the pair of fools to find but also send them on Lilith's way to fuck with her.Lucifer will also panic as the last thing he would expect is Charlie finding out the actual truth and also cause mayhem.in fact, Adam making Charlie go full on conspiracy theorist on the Eve case would had been perfect.
>>155488189But isn't Adam's thing that's he's not aware she's Eve. Or is he sending Charlie on a wild goose chase only for her to actually succeed and tell him where Eve was all this time. Resulting in a heartfelt reunion and talk with Lute/Eve. Only for it to quickly escalate into very graphic sex which leaves Charlie traumatised as she watches those two fuck like animals.
>>155488218thats the idea but also as indirect revenge, using Charlie to fuck with everyone? he could get down with that.and since Charlie has her father's luck...she could actually find where she is through it and not with her twisted brains.
>>155488218i don't think it needs to be any deeper than 'lol, this bitch is crazy i wanna see how far she goes before she snaps' and her accidentally uncovering world-shattering shit about eve is an unexpected bonus.
Salivating at the thought of the grunge rock Lute song Jessica teased.
>>155488727Maybe S3 will have it
>>155488796>"I mean this show, for me, as the person who has to do all this crazy shit, it's way more badass than Broadway. For Broadway it's like, “Okay, belt this thing, uh, hold this note, sustain this note,” and I just recorded a new season for Hazbin a couple weeks ago and uh, I think Andrew and Sam were like, “Do it like you're in a heavy metal band with a side of grunge,” and I was like, “Great.”">This was in animate Orlando, August 16, 2026I think it's going to be for Season four
Gonna draw Nifty as the murdering exorcist she should be.
>>155488888>Digits
>>155488867Four or five. I can't wait
>>155489038Seasons or digits?
>>155488867Is it going to be the song where she gets out all her anger about being fucked over as Eve?
>>155489081I’m not a music person, so I fully admit I may be talking out of my ass here (maybe one of you lovely people who actually understands music can weigh in) but I find it really interesting how Sam Haft talks about Lute’s musical identity specifically in relation to Adam’s. When developing “Gravity,” part of the question was literally, “What is Lute’s sonic palette, how does it relate to Adam’s sonic palette?” Both of them occupy rock musically, but Adam gets this older, theatrical Meat Loaf/Jim Steinman sound, while Lute’s version is darker, more distorted, more contemporary and much more sinister. Sam even points out that some of the rhythms in Lute’s music come from hip-hop influences that simply wouldn’t exist in Adam’s older style of rock.They share the same broader musical language, but Lute’s is essentially a new version of it, modern and more vicious that still retains an identifiable relationship to his sound. I don’t know!! With everything else surrounding Lute/Eve, I find that choice really fucking interesting. Especially because the writers apparently approached her music by first asking how her sound relates to Adam’s, instead of constructing her musical identity in complete isolation from him. Maybe that means absolutely nothing beyond reflecting their established partnership! Again: not a music person. But if anyone with actual music theory knowledge wants to dissect the relationship between their respective rock styles, please do, because I’m staring at it suspiciously.
>>155489081>>155489126I hope so! According to Jessica, this is stuff she hasn't done before (which is fun for her, apparently, since she just doesn't get to do this in theater)
>>155489126Apparently grunge/heavy metal hybrid would be shit like Alice in Chains?
>>155489126So Lute's musical style is something new using parts that came from Adam's music
>>155489126>>155489176iirc he's also cited 'within temptation' as inspiration for lute's music and my god. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vxx04quIzshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fgudq4CcH8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN6I75gG7sU
>>155489291Almost like Lute is something new which came from a part of Adam.
>>155489297>ForsakenHoly fucking shitballs it's about Adam and Eve
>>155489297>>155489374WAIT the WHOLE BAND IS THEMED AROUND ADAM AND EVETHE WHOLE THING
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>>155484739Okay, now This is eerily perfect.Just different enough that you can see Lute in Eve’s design, and vice versa with her current form.It’s enough that when Adam first meets Lute, he double takes, but is able to shrug it off as Eve being the template.
