https://www.thepopverse.com/comics-marvel-dc-jla-avengers-superman-thor-tom-brevoort
>>155453686I ain’t clicking that link , bro
>>155453712Brevoort agreed to humiliate Thor for rage bait.
>>155453686>Just know that if you pit Detective Chimp and Hit-Monkey against each other, I truly won't know who to root for.Well one is a multifaceted mainstay created by Broome and Infantino and the other one is shit churned out by Gerard fucking Way, so it seems like a no-brainer.
>>155455156>and the other one is shit churned out by Gerard fucking Way,It was DANIEL Way who created him, the Waypool guy
>That's probably my greatest crime in comics, was letting Superman beat Thor. Don't sell yourself short Tom
>>155453734Thor fans are the whiniest, thinnest skin bitches in the universe.
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>>155456991Nah, superfags are worse.
I love Thor, but I'm not at 80s Thor yet in my read through, I'm only up to 1977, but at this point he's still having trouble against Stilt Man.I don't see the issue, outside of the whole magic thing, unless he becomes Superman levels later. Odin is the one who could actually kill Superman easily (before Jack Kirby left)
>>155457499Things both get crazy and also stay the same.
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>>155453686Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isn't Superman basically hope incarnate. I don't really know much about Superman but the way his fans talk about him means he probably wouldn't lose here. One of those guys who just always comes out on top.
>>155457881Cucky Thor without his powers would have taken off his pants and said "USE me as thou sees fit".
>>155457951That's only true in an abstract sense until Doomsday Clock. Before then, the Story of Superman was more or less metaphorical.
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>>155457881>not the fuckable little bitch edit
>>155458021Go away, this isn't your thread.
>>155458091Oh mother fucker
>>155457499Isn't odin on par with mephisto and other cosmic entities?
>>15545749960s Thor and 60s Superman are pretty comparable in feats and abilities, but 70s Thor was a lot more grounded than 70s Superman is for the most part.On the flip-side 80s Thor is overall depicted as stronger than 80s Superman, especially Post-Crisis, and then it basically balances out afterwards. But I think Aaron Thor and any version that has the power of Odin is depicted a lot stronger than Superman is.
>>155458507Current Thor pre-death is cosmic in his own book and then has to job everywhere else because otherwise he'd obviously solve every issue the Avengers have easily. There's an issue of the Cates run where Thor one-shots the villain all the Avengers are struggling with which kind of lampshades this.
>>155458487Odin is superior to someone like Mephisto, and typically regarded as higher than most cosmic entities when he's fully powered. Full powered Odin is probably on par with a well-fed Galactus, who can take 3 or 4 Celestials at a time. Below Eternity, Living Tribunal, Shuma Gorath, and The Beyonders though.
>>155458487Lee and Kirby depicted Odin as being ~= to Galactus, which is generally where he's been placed ever since. In his actual fight with Galactus they were generally even with a slight edge to Galactus.
>>155453686>Superman defeats Thor>Batman defeats PunisherBased Busiek.
>>155458632Celestial scaling is fucky because how strong the writers imagine them to be has varied wildly. Odin amped up as much as feasibly possible could barely even phase them back in Thor 300 near their debut, but then in modern comics Knull was a threat to them and Thor was on-par with him. But then that same Thor literally got one-shot by a Celestial during AXE.
>>155458727The way I've seen it explained is that Celestials serve different purposes, and some are stronger than others. Something like Exitar being 50x the size of Arishem for instance.
There was a lot of horse trading on fights in A/JLA. Superman got to beat Thor so Hawkeye could not only beat Green Arrow but also cuck Ollie. And the Cap/Batman fight ended in a draw.
>>155458727The only consistent thing about DC/Marvel capeshit is how inconsistent they are.
>>155458632>>155458675So could Odin, if he wanted, undo the deals mephisto has made with certain heroes, Cap recently and ... other infamous deals?
>>155453734Isn't that most cape comics now?
>>155460707Probably not. Mephisto is from a previous Cosmos, so he's probably got the cosmic hierarchy on his side.
>>155463808all of them to some degree
>>155458487Mephisto's powerlevel is the most as the writers have need thing as it gets in comics.
>>155458487Classic Odin scaled to just under Galactus, not current jobber Galactus, but classic Galactus that was on par with Eternity when well fed, and sometimes was depicted as being boundless. He had a fight with an Elder God that threatened to destroy the multiverse. He could rewrite reality, turn back time, create life, create pocket universes, etc. without effort. He gradually got scaled down in terms of power as he started having more agency in the plot because you couldn't just have someone with infinite power not solve everything in 1 second without making the story feel contrived. Usually, the way they scaled him down was with the Odinsleep, since he needed to go on long periods of rest to rejuvenate his power, and sometimes he couldn't help because he was too tired and needed to rest, or was not at full power. After he returned from his death in Jurgen's Thor run, he was severely downscaled. I think Cates, or Aaron, said that the reason why he was so weak post returning was that he was never meant to come back and that he was using the Odinforce to keep himself alive basically, and had barely any of it left. But modern Odin is not depicted anywhere near as strong as his classic version. He had to prepare all of Asgard for war to destroy the Earth in Fear Itself, when destroying a planet should be something trivial to him. He fought evenly with Jane-Foster Thor, who should only be as strong as normal Thor, and while he was winning, it was a close fight. He got low-diffed by a hungry Galactus despite having tons of prep time against him, when classic Odin should have been evenly matched with him. He needed Iron Man's help to fight Malekith, despite still having the Odin Force. I could go on, but basically he went from Elder God-Abstract/omniversal level to maybe Galaxy level at most in modern depictions, but at least it was kinda explained in that the Odinforce was starting to reject him.
