>The indie animation scene basically consists of former (or active) industry people and well established youtubers with tens-hundreds of thousands of dollarsDo hobbyists make animations anymore? Feels like we're just trying to recreate television but on YouTube now
I've seen a couple literal whos make cartoons by themselves.
>>155455913>TFW my indie concept is too ambitious for me to make alone and I still suck ass at animating despite doing it for over a decade. My show can only be done justice through the television system. Thankfully, I have had opportunities to pitch it
Every day I regret not making full animations and posting them on YouTube back in 2013. Biggest mistake of my life. I was retarded and thought I would make my show in stop motion for some fucking reason so I was training for that. Bought a 600 dollar camera, 300 dollar software, legos and a bunch of clay/puppet making material. Didn't snap out of it until 2019. Now I'm 31 and my 2D animations suck ass. On top of that, I don't know how much time we have left. I genuinely don't see this planet surviving past 2031
>>155456124>he fell for the climate change meme
>>155456158Pretty sure the nukes, widespread famine, and ai get us before that
Why are a lot of indie animators dykes or fags? Their work isn't all that original, they steal ideas from pre-existing works like anime or classic literature. The only difference between their work and the orginal is that they put "cute" designs over them.
>>155455945Any you guys particularly like?
>>155456225Most aren't actually gay. They're just "non-binary queer" women, or troon men who want to feel extra special.
>>155456225All animation is derivative of older stuffYes, even the shows you likeOriginality is a meme
>>155455913>Do hobbyists make animations anymore?They do, they just can’t draw so they look like shit (and sound like shit too)https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XowKNqJYFmc
>>155455913>You are now competing in the attention economy against literal industry pros on fucking YouTubeThis pisses me off to no end. Now I have to somehow shit out a tv quality production as a one man show. I'm not speedoru (even he's spending over 10k for PPF)
>>155455913Are we going to have this discussion again? Please, lets have this discussion again. It's the only good discussion /co/ has had in a long time.
>>155456293>9m subscribersSeems to be working for himAnd even he has a dozen animators on each video so I don't know if hobbyist is the right word considering that he has a payroll
>>155456258When it comes to animation like Bob Clampett or Chuck Jones, reproducing their work is straight up impossible. And there have been a lot of animated revivals of past popular cartoons that completely failed. The originality of the creator is necessary.>>155456293Plenty of shitty-looking professional work as with Boxtown, you just have your clout goggles on.
>>155455945Please list them.
>155456349Isn't Ren and Stimpy just Clampett stuff as well as a bunch of homages to classic films. Both characters are based on actors
>>155456124Oh dude i myself have a game/cartoon concept that's amazing for stop motion and claymation. I wish i had what ya got years ago but i suppose it wasn't meant to be, at least not in this world.
>>155456187Oh dude you have no idea.
>>155456385You have very little visual comprehension to say this and may not have even watched the cartoon and are going off of social media memes.
>155456425John himself said he based Ren off Peter Lorre and Stimpy off Larry Fine
I don't know how to feel about it, man. People keep saying "indie is the future" but I can't find a fucking job in over a year. All the good paying jobs in California and New York have gone back to wanting people to be on-site in order to apply, which I can't afford to do because rent in those places has become unsustainable. Most of the contracts are only a year long, six months if you get very unlucky. I look for indie productions to see if anyone is hiring artists/animators and so many of them are, "Basically no pay until we get our Kickstarter going!". I now have to compete with people in Brazil and India applying to remote jobs and accepting 1/6th the pay. Fucking industry veterans are trying to get their foot through the door with GLITCH to get their idea off the ground. So many of these independent productions feel like they're clamoring for a Netflix deal but are going to pay their crew a quarter of what working on an actual Netflix production would pay, but uh, I guess that showrunner gets to have HIS dream come true of making his passion project, so fuck everyone else. This all fucking sucks. Indie is not an alternative to the industry. When you have some dork-ass stick figure "history animated" YouTube channel looking for animators and have to compete with 100+ people because everyone is desperate for money, and the money is like $200, it's just fucking pathetic. I'm sick of hearing indie is the future. I'm sick of the union telling me I should re-join and pay my fees and never promising me work. I fucking hate that these self-help millennial retards made the most boring cartoons imaginable filled with agenda garbage and crashed the industry before I had a chance to really work in it. I hate that they're all blaming greedy executives as if they weren't also contributing to its downfall with insanely unappealing cartoons that no kid wants to watch. I just wanted to draw for cartoons like Dexter's Lab and Angry Beavers as a kid, I thought it was so cool
>>155456225Because a lot of right wingers look down on the arts. Sure there are some right wing animators, but most of the time, they'll scoff at the idea that their kid wants to get into it, say it's "Not a real job" then wonder why a lot of industry people tend to be far on the other side. Then they just spite them by calling all their stuff woke and shilling AI. Not even just for animation, 90% of the film industry is like this.
>>155456595Why do so many of these storytime YouTube channels require teams now? Even odd1sout had a dozen people working on a given video before being forced to downsize.
>>155456652That's not true at all. It has nothing to do with right-wingers and everything to do with certain cultures who prioritize monetary success above all else (Chinese, Jewish, Indian). Those cultures tend to be more conservative leaning, as in holding tight onto their own culture's traditions, but not American right-wing. Whites, Hispanics, and Blacks have no problems with saddling their kid with $400k+ worth of debt to go to an art school because they believe it'll make them happy.
>>155455913The milky subway guy was a literal who and made his show on a dime
>>155455913>Feels like we're just trying to recreate television but on YouTube nowThat's literally what YouTube is now. Channels are like networks and each video is a new episode or special.
>>155455913If their ideas are shit, they're still going to flounder. A teenager spent 4 months solo making an AMV for her OCs and it got 80 million views and a whole fandom in less than a year. The type of shit these industry people would kill for but since their indie ideas are mostly shit, they'll never reach that high
>>155456652A lot of extremely right-wing animators are typically AI shills, talented names like Sven Stoffels, Emily Youcis, and Doug TenNapel have all shifted to making AI-slop.
>>155456733Calarts is filled with Chinese students, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>155456708>Why do so many of these storytime YouTube channels require teams now?Animation itself takes a long time and for them to still be in the algorithm they gotta have teams of people to work on new videos. So maybe it's due to greedier intentions and laziness.
>>155456733My parents are boomers and they told me college is a waste of time and I should go to the trades or be a fireman. >t.black
>>155456595Call me crazy but I’m starting to think that Unions were a mistake, Union prices are fucking insane.
>>155456708Not sure for all of them, but I know some newer channels are trying to crank out videos in hopes the algorithm will pick them up so they can be the next "OverSimplified" or "Historically". They tend to have scripts that reach to either 15 to 30 minutes long and want multiple videos being worked on at once, so invest a little bit into having multiple productions going on banking that they'll be making it back with a spike in viewership. https://www.youtube.com/@imfranzytLook at channels like that to see what I'm talking about. Relatively new channel cranking out very simple storybook explanation videos every couple of days that average 10 minutes long. The only way that's doable without AI is by having a team of like, eight or twelve people total. They know the quality is simple and do not charge very much, probably $50 to $150 for each artist's work per video. I'd be willing to bet most of the artist team is composed of people from India, South America, or Mexico.
>>155455913Being a one man indie creator is pretty shitty. You gotta be good at drawing, animation, writing, compositing, video and audio editing, and marketing
>>155456862I don't understand how anyone can bother trying to make it big on YouTube in current year. The landscape has completely changed and newbies have unironically missed the boat. If you didn't make it big before 2017, you never willIt sucks making videos that barely cross 1k views.
>>155456792The screen cap is right. There is no rational reason to reject AI assistance while fully accepting puppet animation. If anything, AI assistance is more human and original. The only reason to try to preserve puppet rig crap is communism, fake jobs for people who can’t do real stuff.>>155456525“Originality” doesn’t mean being made in a vacuum. Every child is original to the parent, you can’t get a kid with those genes elsewhere, but they eat food that anyone can eat.
Okay, since you fuckers obviously just want to complain about Glitch, here's some actually good indie stuff out there right now. Monkey Wrench by Zeurelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i18HXAa1uY>Tales of Alethrion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUlg8Y_mLfA>Sauria and Dinosauriahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQJWcrjC_OY&list=PLZ5VEKOKH8PCoo-gp50NgGhm3CNPAhglehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E98bD5WrMrc&list=PLZ5VEKOKH8PCCR6zSLEyRKvqYpuJ205-OCompletely made by one guy btw>House on the Outlandshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWjwn033D3I&list=PLjD29mHz_ctKrYOcSDdRnRh-x7W9C4XC_>Sunny Side Down https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv8jaH4Iy-c&list=PLjD29mHz_ctIEnClknhRpHA4shK6dBZqE&pp=0gcJCbwFa94AFGB0>Day Stonehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct_9iSZl-rk&list=PLoweuIRiBKJMhTGgFem6BVY4Aq-VjJUj7>Overclockhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCyaLA7PO58&pp=ygUJb3ZlcmNsb2Nr>Anna Loguehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXQA76EZ0SM&list=PLDmozCaO13hlhZ5WJMd1ZqcJ6JecOwlRx>Looter Takes a tumblehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDEtEfnx7PE&list=PLnK-S-TXlc21Opy0u8PxNM__9imZbq9pj>Pixie Park https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cZavn3rGIg&list=PLeuQVwGu4a_b1o5ordvToMb9zKgcNFbdJYou fuckers just want to complain about Glitch and mainstream shit without doing any sort of digging for yourself. Fucking explore a bit.
>>155456929You gotta love the game first before you start playing.
>>155457005Most of these are made by either a small studio or just completely by one person btw.
>>155456950Where's your cartoon?
>>155456124Stop motion is cool whats the big deal?
>Dislikes puppet rigging>Shills AI which is even more soulless I don't understand this mindset. I have yet to see an actually good AI animation
>>155457081I still love the medium. It's just that it would have taken far too long to make a video and my designs wouldn't translate to 3D well anyway.
>>155457108>>155457081Also would be very expensive to get materials, make sets, find space to put said sets and materials.
>>155455913>Do hobbyists make animations anymore?i was considering it
>>155456929This. YT actively deters animators and animation. The algorithm based format (to which YT controls behind the scenes but denies and pretends the algorithm is some kind of mysterious machine function of their site they have no control over) turned YT into a heavily curated and biased platform. It doesn't help their posting rules and violations are extremely vague, and there's a large amount of censorship and bias from moderators.It's also why you see so much slop on there, everyone is chasing the algorithm. Every YT short is someone at the bottom of the screen is looking at the viewer as a video or clip plays. The Ad-apocalypse further gutted the platform, Markiplier, SpecticEye and PewDiePie were making a big racket about it at the time because it fundamentally changed how they had to approach the platform, and they all agreed and lament that it was easier before hand. You also see these three big YT Juggernauts begin to slowly bow out around that time.Then to top it off, removing the like and dislike ratios, and then cutting off comments. >>155457005>Tales of Alethrion Shame that never caught on.
>>155457081he didn't have the czech seasoning to make it cool
>>155457176Hell, even established animators can barely pay their team. Piemations has millions of subs and views yet he said his channel has effectively been running at a loss for years. His ad revenue dropped 70 percent.
>>155455913>Do hobbyists make animations anymore? Feels like we're just trying to recreate television but on YouTube nowYour work is invisible to the hoi polloi unless something validates engaging with it. This usually means a preexisting following or connection to something with clout. There are dozens if not hundreds of golden goose tier IPs rotting in obscurity because people can't be bothered to view something that isn't viral on twitter
>>155456040You gotta imagine your cartoons less as a TV show and more as proof of concept shorts.
>>155457259Vets dumping indie that easily would be interesting to see. I can see that pissing a lot of people off. Especially if Dana Terrace leaves Glitch for Disney
>>155457087You’re just childishly refusing my point in a gay way.I made this wip painting, AI made a video game concept out of it, guiding finishing the painting. My AIs are starting to define brand integrity of my projects to preserve originality fully.>>155457259> Dykes and Fags wanted representation but people bitched at them to learn how to "Create" and make their representation themselves,Funny part here is Boomer Bootstrapism coming back out of your mouths after pretending to rebel against them. Truly both boomers and gays are insufferable.Gay people jerked off and buttfucked to ruining the careers of heterosexual artists as they tried to do to Chimptopia but failed so they’re changing their tune.
>>155456225Dykes and Fags wanted representation but people bitched at them to learn how to "Create" and make their representation themselves, so the Dykes and Fags got to work, learned Blender or ToonBoom or some other animation software and now you're starting to see the end resultAnyone from that era complaining now should have seen this coming>>155456298I can see a lot of these Industry Pros and Veterans ditching the Indie Scene the moment the Industry stops shooting itself in the foot. The indie scene is sort of held up/held hostage by guys who had legitimate jobs animating and not people doing this in their free time
>>155457322>Post deletedWhat did Anon post?
>>155457424The post above you
>>155457424He posted >>155457383Probably to correct a typo
>>155457041He's workin on it!
