Ending the Unicron arc.Transform and roll out.Previous storytimes:https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155228917https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155268570https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155296598https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155325907https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155344680https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155411937https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155439197https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155456513
Since this will be the last Marvel G1 thread, think about what you'd like to see next: Marvel G2, or just skip ahead to Dreamwave?
Skipped a page, sorry.
A double-page spread of Optimus Prime and Megatron fighting in front of two nondescript buildings. It won't be the last.
>>155486866Marvel G2 because I think people acknowledge it less than Dreamwave.
>>155487427bruh
>>155487510RIP Brainstorm
>>155487636RIP Xaaron
>>155487719RIP Cloudburst>>155487730RIP Highbrow, Finback, Hardhead, and Bomb-Burst>>155487753RIP Waverider, Quake, and Joyride
>>155487785kinda hot
>>155487833RIP Scorponok
>>155488010Less than 8 issues to go.Doing any of the follow-ups or are finished . . . over! after issue 84?
>>155487961Fun fact: this was supposed to be the final page of the final issue of Transformers as the book was supposed to end with issue #75. But the Unicorn saga saw enough of a sales boost that the book got renewed, only for Hasbro to pull the plug after issue #76 came out.
These last three issues will look funky since I pulled them from the same reprint I took Headmasters from.
>>155488045>>155488077>>155488092Anyone else get a Johnny Got His Gun vibe with how Prime ended up?Or that Prowl's scream is born from Optimus learning NOTHING from the clusterfuck that was the last time Grimlock got put in charge?
Will take a short break from posting while I run an errand. Will be back soon.
>>155488575>The Transformers will return after these messages.
Okay I'm back.
>>155487707>YEEEAAAH, THE APOCALYPSE.
>>155487833RIP Zarak. It wasn't his fight.
>>155489082KWAB
>>155489067>>155489108Right page, wrong issue.
>>155489108>>155489353Oh fuck, you're right, how did I not catch that? Okay, here's the page that should've been there. Just slot it in mentally.
>>155487090Thank goodness this wasn't posted back on Friday. I can see why this was cut out of modern reprints.
>>155487271Out of everyone to come out of the headmasters mini, I really did not think he would get this character arc.
>>155489426>be firecon>not fireproof>die to fire
>>155489059Gimlock is KEWL
Page 16 of this issue is here>>155489108
>>155486866>Dreamwavewell now i have vomit in my lungs
>>155489625Oh
>>155489685Nooo, Blaster.
>>155489707>HUMANIGGER
>>155487863Poor Mindwipe, died offscreen and most won't notice.
>>155489736Red eyes OP is so damn cool. Shame they stuck with Sunbow's eye color system.
>>155489803Well, rip Hi-Q.
Because of declining comic sales and Hasbro losing interest, this is The End. Until Marvel brought the Transformers back 2 years later.'Til all are one.
Wow I had no idea there was more after the final showdown with Unicron, I remember when I found what I then thought to be the last two issues after years of on-and-off reading any random ones I could find often out of order, the hype was real.>>155488305>the book was supposed to end with issue #75. But the Unicorn saga saw enough of a sales boost that the book got renewed, only for Hasbro to pull the plug after issue #76 came out.Classic
>>155489886Thanks. Is it possible to do G2 for more Furmanism?
>>155488932>>155488916Am I the only one who prefers Galvatron in his toy/comic colors?
>>155489182Does Furman hate Ratchet like he dies Mind wipe and Prowl? Between the hell Ratchet endured in #56-80, not being brought back in G2, and the absolute nightmare he endures before being put out of his misery in Regeneration One, it's kind of clear Furman has a hate boner for the guy...
>>155490046We need "Another Place and Tine" storytimed first since TECHNICALLY that was the last G1 story
>>155489182>flashback
>>155489281it was absolutely his fight, unicron was going to eat everybody, stupid
>>155489506Wait, the leader of the Dinobots is called Gimlock? I've been calling him Grimlock! Why didn't you guys tell me? Oh, I've been making an idiot out of myself!
>>155486852thanks
>>155489886TIL ALL ARE ONE!
>>155488305It should've been the final issue. At least then we have a real climax.
>>155489158Kek, poor Shockwave. Doing so much to lead the Decepticons only to die by being double-teamed by two Megatrons.
>>155490306And if the G1 comic wasn't canceled there would've been a plot where Megatron controls Ratchet via their mind link.
>>155492537I'm surprised we've never gotten a Shockwave like this since thenShow wise, Energon is the closest as he takes on Starscream's role, but he was Shockblast.
>Soundwave 9/11s The Last Autobot>Decepticons are indeed a genetic disorder>Ratchet gets cucked>Primus goes from "morally ambiguous" to outright malevolentWhat was Furman smoking during RG1?
>>155493489whatever he was smoking with trans arceeI think he's got a thing for anatomy horror, but lacks the other aspect of writing to make it land. And that's being able to write people. Horror only works if your audience can be familiar with the victims and either relate or understand the antagonist.
>>155487889>>155487909When I first read these I figured Circuit would just be a villain of the week and disappear after her first appearance, but she turned out to be one of the most important characters in the comic. If Marvel wasn't stingy with copyright she could've been a recurring human character in different TF stories.
>>155488092>Prowl...get Grimlock...tell him...>Yes, Prime?>Tell him...that under no circumstances is he to ever become leader of the Autobots. He's completely unqualified. It's very important that he knows this. Also I merged my spark with that Nebulan I used to become a powermaster. He's your new leader, go listen to him
>>155489886Kind of weird that the story branches off in 3 directions from here. G2, Regeneration 1, or Collectors' Club/Classics
>>155492573Budiansky arguably hates OptimusFurman hated RatchetDWJ hates BumblebeeJRO hates Hot RodAny other obvious writer least favorite
>>155494837Everyone should hate Hot Rod.
>>155490258Yeah, you just might be.
>>155495069Not me.
bump
>>155489588I dunno, War within and the 2nd G1 mini were pretty good
>>155494837>DWJ hates BumblebeeTechnically, he was told to kill Bumblebee.
>>155487090who's the artist?>>155488295when I read this as a kid, some screw-up gave the characters snazzy alternate colour schemes>>155490306I don't think he hates Ratchet, I just think he likes putting characters through the wringer, even the ones he likes.I've always had the impression he's fond of Prowl too.>>155495069>>155495830I actually think Hot Rod's another of Furman's favourites
>>155493489>Grimlock suddenly starts talking about the transformer civil war being a genetic race war and that deceptions are made evil and autobots are made good>the decepticons almost immediately prove him right>also the only decepticon to move past his natural state of violent ADHD and perpetual backstabbery was a headmaster binary bonded to a human (who started out as an arguably as much of an asshole than said decepticon pre-binary bond) What did they mean by this
>>155498022to be fair, Krok did say some of the Decepticons thought it might've worked
>>155488333I'd like to ask Furman what his idea of Optimus was.TV Optimus was 'the dad.' And subsequent cartoons/movies have a very clear dynamic as friend, father figure or a true commander like Armada. But I've got no idea how comic Optimus is supposed to read outside of genuine moron.
>>155497140>I actually think Hot Rod's another of Furman's favouritesNot sure about that.I did find a comment from him saying he didn't really care for the Rodimus Prime persona, which is why he is mostly a jobber under his pen.Or maybe he treat them differently.
>>155486852Thanks for your effort anon.
>>155498898I see comic Optimus as space version of some old world military leader with his own specific code of ethics and passion driven decisions.
>>155499078he may not have cared for Rodimus, but given how often he used Hot Rod, even when he didn't need to, suggests to met that he particularly liked him
>>155493489were you reading a different storytime anon
>>155499856I'm referring to ReGeneration One, the IDW-published sequel to the comic OP storytimed. It makes several things worse in retrospect.
>>155500053Was Bob the one objectively good writer out of all the comics?I did like the Bayverse prequel comics, they gave everyone their colors back and I liked how they handled the humans being a step above a nuisance. But all the other writers I've read between IDW and current Skybound range from mid to trudging through sewage to finish. Art doesn't help either depending on the artist for IDW.
>>155500766Cool art.
>>155502235There's an archive of all the books and cassette tape dramas.I think all this unused lore could get good use in a new series instead of more IDW character nonsense. Cyberworld has been leaning more into Marvel Bumblebee instead of 07 and 'modern' versions of him.https://camphortree.net/tf/books/
>>155500245Bob was awful, did you not see that shitty wrestling story that just went on and on
I wish Circuit Breaker was more appreciated, I like crazy bitches in metal bikinis zapping robots indiscriminately.
>>155503381I want to see her in something modern. However, she might get Tarned depending on how Marvel treats her.IDW Tarn was babby's first sociopath who was all about being cool and killing.Cyberverse Tarn was a fan child with a toned down backstory and actions.
>>155503442>I want to see her in something modernThe best time for transfromers to use her was Animated. The best time for Marvel to use her was Avengers AI.
>>155503455>The best time for transfromers to use her was AnimatedShe would have fit in perfectly with the Headmaster guy and all the other human villains in S1, and her anti-robot rhetoric would have made sense in a robot-heavy Detroit.
>>155503455I could see a Transformers 87 being made. They keep offshooting G1 so much an X-Men style reboot continuing from the movie isn't far fetched.I doubt we'll ever get a full length show of anything original again. Cyberworld feels like a tax write off.
>>155503455>The best time for Marvel to use her was Avengers AI.Machine Man book where she's on him like Punisher on Spider-Man in ASM 129 while Sunset Bain or whoever is out doing Robot Crime
>>155503815Hasbro has a standing police to ban explicitly revisiting the OG Transformers cartoon media-wise, to the point that a lot of people suspect that the only reason we got the new G1 CGI short was that Hasbro found out that Cullen was dying and wanted to give him a chance to send off Optimus before his death. IDW explicitly tried to get revivals of the Sunbow TF and GI Joe cartoons made but were repeatedly smacked down. And the Takara comics are only allowed to exist because it's Takara and comics largely serve as a way to backdoor insert US Transformer lore like Primus into Japanese TF lore.
>>155504650Source? Sounds stupid enough to be true.
>>155504650>Hasbro has a standing police to ban explicitly revisiting the OG Transformers cartoon media-wiseThey do a single episode into Earthspark.
>>155504877That isn't the actual G1 cartoon, so might be dodging.
I should get around to reading this. Back when there was a Transformers General, I was trying to read both the US and UK issues plus the current comic lines and burned out around the Seacons introduction iirc. I liked it, but only have vague memories at this point.
Why is Transformers dead on /co/ when there's a comic and show airing? The toys are a mess but, Blokees is keeping Hasbro alive with their affordable model kits.
>>155505410Comic momentum was dying and lost the original creator, Cyberworld is a series of 5 minute YouTube short so presumably not the same target audience as who would pot here. Also generally dying board.
>>155505410skybound turned to shit the instant kirkman took over
Why has Transformers retained it's popularity so long when every other 80's toy commercial cartoon has been forgotten by everyone except 50 year old manchildren? Is it just that Hasbro has put more effort into the brand?
>>155506940It appeals to women and teen girls than G1 manchildren could ever admit. Picrelated.In China it's a top fujo property and got a Chinese exclusive full series based on Nezha that will likely never be dubbed.
>>155506940Evergreen concept. Aliens, robots, vehicles, and war can be as easily understood decades apart.
>>155503442>Cyberverse Tarn was Superior.
>>155506940
>>155507169It was alteady a billion dollar brand before the movie. The movies exist because of the toys, not the other way around
>>155504682It was reported a while back, after being forced to kill Scarlett Strike Team because the writers kept insulting and blood libeling Joe fans, that Chris Ryall tried to get the writer to still write GI Joe by having him write a "season three" comic based on the original planned "Crimson Twins as the new main villains running a Cobra spiritual successor group called The Coil while Cobra Commander tries to get his human form back" pitch. They not only rejected the pitch but told Ryall never to pitch such things again due to embargo on such things.
>>155507141I'm hot/cold on him. Better backstory, worse character.IDW Tarn's backstory as someone Orion knew corrupted by Megatron was handled like shit. Being a poser with an inferiority complex is fun conceptually. The one thing just right was his design.
https://www.camphortree.net/tf/books/big-looker/hijack/hijack-full.html
>>155507764Damn these are cool.
If anyone's going to see the movie today through saturday, report the state of the audience.I'd like to but the single day screening is not for the employed.
>>155505410I don't like DWJ as a person but his TF run was good. Kirkman has had zero good ideas so far.
>>155512772Killing Breakdown was but that's only for people like me who hated how they changed him in IDW. As in, being Knock Out's "disabled" accessory.I don't care that they're a couple it's all in the flavor.
Since today is the rerelease of the movie, I'll post the comic version.
>>155513383https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH4Fjh4UX1k
>>155513396https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z43aGvagI-o
>>155513407https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJhtkwEXeWY
>>155513418>Fortress Maximus
>>155513458https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS6RvWE8KdY
These were first comic books I ever read shortly after I learned to read.My dad had then in his collection from way back and he would give me a new one once a week.Thank you for storytelling these Anon.
>>155513493>>155513502Weird pseudo-Furmanism
>>155486938The Neo-Knights are muties?
>>155513514https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkjWUVu0zzc
>>155513569Yellow dick Scourge!
>>155513583I hope we get a Marvel Comics SS Galvatron one day.
>>155513617so Starscream was filled with SKRMMBLL all along? huh, he doesn't seem the type
>>155513625ebin miscolor
>>155513433https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c4WdzztiFY
>>155513788>>155513777>No Wheelie in sight and Dinobots just show up on their ownBased Dinos
>>155513903Scavanger and Shrapnel, Megatron's.... I mean Galvatron's top men.
The end.Which final battle with Unicron do you prefer, the movie version or the Marvel comic version?
>>155513626Technically we already did. They did you colors Galvatron aka Marvel Comics Galvatron aka Galvatron II as a Hasbro Pulse exclusive a couple of years back before finally putting out a cartoon color version of Galvatron without battle damage
>>155513285thanks again.
>>155512772S'truth, mate. >>155513285Thank you, based TFposter. >>155512168Likely 98% male 40-60 years old. I would bet $100 on it.
>>155512168Double check. Depending on the theater, it might be running for a few days at least. I know I was initially sunk because of my work schedule, but a matinee screening was listed that I'll be able to make.
>>155514220I think the Marvel version is far better, it's more of an epic last stand where almost everyone still alive at that point, even the decepticons, shows up to fight him. Also Galvatron getting so pissed at everyone freezing in fear that he tries to 1v1 Unicron, and Optimus's speech in >>155487924 are kino.
>>155513383>>155513396I really like this color scheme for Hot Rod.
Good grief, this comic is terrible. It sucked all the suspense and drama out of the movie story. A perfect illustration of why "show, don't tell" is better storytelling; too many words and too much explanation in the comic.
>>155514220I don't think any Unicron appearance in history comes close to Marvel. Perhaps Armada because of how Optimus is characterized
>>155516748I mean the Marvel serialized comic, not this one.
Get to your assigned seat
>>155516748the whole 2006 thing where he's a malicious superpowered head in TFUK is pretty great too
>>155512168smelled like heart disease medication in there
>>155516602Maybe it should've been four issues instead of three.
>>155512168>3 families>half were 35+>half were under 30After credits short called Transformers Awakening. Optimus talks to Primus(?), they talk about the multiverse and show a couple of his deaths. Gold Bug is Megatron, and becomes a combiner. He throws away the matrix and talks about being the light in the darkness.For clarity, I'm 28 and have never seen the movie. Also have zero nostalgia, as I just started watching transformers about 3 years ago. Sat between a fat bitch who graduated in 2002 and a 50+ year old couple.
>>155519360Well, did you like it or not?
>>155519398Not that anon, but I thought it was neat. Dug the easter eggs like namedropping Prime's original Japanese name Leader Convoy, and even the different universes. Did feel like a big tease towards something bigger, which may never come with Peter's passing, but for a sendoff, I think it was nice.
>>155519398Overall 6.5 out of 10.It raised a hundred questions, and I liked Five Faces of Darkness a lot better. Apart from the obvious kick-ass action in the movie, I would argue even Rebirth is better. Unicron was pretty anticlimactic and the new characters didn't have enough screen time to have any development.Also, I'm not sure if I blacked out or something, but I don't remember how Daniel and Hot Rod landed on a quintesson planet and got captured.If you mean the after credits short, they left it just open ended enough to be interesting. 7/10
>>155520298>I liked Five Faces of Darkness a lot better. >I would argue even Rebirth is betterOnly person on the planet to ever suggest this>Also, I'm not sure if I blacked out or something, but I don't remember how Daniel and Hot Rod landed on a quintesson planet and got captured.Oh so you're a zoomie who was on his phone the whole time, Daniel was never on Quintessa
>>155520298>Daniel and Hot RodKup and Hot Rod. Daniel was on the trash planet with Magnus and Arcee.But you ain't wrong. As fun as the movie is, there's no denying the script was all over the place, even more so than any of the Bayverse films or other movies in the franchise. It's strange given they had roughly two years to make the film, beginning not long after the cartoon had begun in 84. You've got the Cons and Bots jumping between Cybertron and Earth like they're nextdoor to one another, but then having long trips in other scenes, and rather pointless ones like Galvtron going to see Unicron who could have just telepathically told him "nah bro, you didn't kill Magnus yet"That said, it's definitely something you're bound to like more if you either grew up with the original cartoon, or at least have a soft spot for older cartoons and their film tie-ins and how those were quite frankly just big toy commercials with insane budgets.
One thing I like about the Marvel comics is how the Decepticons and Autobots were composed of mostly independent subfactions that share a common cause instead of just being Megatron/Optimus and their followers. The Decepticons are full of commanders who are ready to take over if given the chance, not just Starscream, while the Autobots follow Optimus simply because they like him more than any other potential leader. In both cases leadership is earned, not given.
>>155520375Relax grandpa, it's probably because I marathoned the first 2 seasons before the movie. Also I got rebirth and the return of optimus prime mixed up. Fuck the headmasters.
>>155520833Animated has my favorite good guys, Marvel has my favorite cons.I think the Autobots should be a civilian army but still a functional one. To have them blindly following a singular leader because a magic crystal accessory said so, is weak. I do get how it's for kids, it's not supposed to be incredibly well written. But the writers themselves put a lof of adult effort into the world it seems fitting that backstory should be consistent at the same time
>>155521708Prime is not just the millitary, but the political ans spiritual leader of the Autobots. He's the Pope-President-General.>magical crystal accessory said soNigga, what would you do if a magic crystal told you to follow somebody?
>>155513932it's cool how they kept in the original idea for Magnus death
>>155513710>Kup and Hot Rod hate shit>Fuck 'em
>>155487980>>155489281Still hurts every time.
>>155488305The 'cancellation numbers' Transformers was selling back then would have made it one of the top books in the industry in any later decade.
>>155490306I don't think he hates Ratchet, he just keeps giving him heroic deaths. IIRC his toy didn't get re-released in G2, and the G2 comics were gleefully slaughtering G1 characters that didn't get G2 toys, so he was probably better off staying out of that one.>>155493824It's odd that Marvel went out of their way to make sure they would own Circuit Breaker, not Hasbro, only to do nothing with her once this book ended.>>155498898Furman's take on Optimus is like a old, war-weary soldier, weighed down by the burden of leadership, but he can't give up and stop fighting because IT NEVER ENDS. It's why when he sees the Scorponok/Zarak combo is a Decepticon leader he might actually be able to reason with and stop the fighting he jumps all-in without talking it over with his own troops first.The comics have a bigger problem in how Budiansky and Furman weren't on the same page about Grimlock.
>>155506940>Is it just that Hasbro has put more effort into the brand?Transformers managed to keep successfully reinventing itself every few years and bringing in new generations of fans, while doing enough to keep older fans on board as well.Recent cartoon and movie efforts haven't been so successful in bringing in newer and younger fans, which could cause problems for the future of Transformers unless they can turn it around.
>>155516602>>155522332This comic was probably produced from an earlier draft of the movie script, to be released around the same time as the movie, it was the norm for comics adaptations of movies back then.
>>155513812Wheelie jumpscare.
>>155513886Nanny Arcee.
>>155507447IDW were allowed to do a GI Joe mini set loosely in the cartoon as part of their 'Saturday Morning Adventures' line, but it was loosely set between scenes of the first or second episode of season 2 (all the new season 2 characters and troops are in the mini except Serpentor), and didn't affect the status quo at all, so maybe that's why it was exempt from this apparent rule against doing any kind of continuation of the GI Joe or Transformers cartoons, or any project covering the 'missing years' between Transformers season 2 and the movie, which should be easy money if done well.
>>155507473>IDW Tarn's backstory as someone Orion knew corrupted by Megatron was handled like shit.It was conceptually a good idea, but they made the reveal be a Literally Who? and possibly did that just because any sensible choices had already been guessed by readers, and comics writers constantly have a mentality that swerving the readers with a reveal they didn't see coming is better than a satisfying resolution some readers might figure out in advance.>>155516329The movie has the Decepticons already out of the picture by the time the Autobots and Junkions show up for the finale. As much as I love the movie, it would have been an improvement if the final battle did have everyone joining forces against Unicron like in the comic.
>>155514206That's a HUGE winnebago.
Missed the last thread, but the Matrix Quest storyline in there was the first time any Autobot leaders before Optimus had actually gotten named. Season 3 of the cartoon showed a number of earlier leaders, and one pre-Megatron Decepticon leader, but without naming them. Dreamwave and IDW would reuse some of the names from Matrix Quest, and eventually the guys depicted in the cartoon would get canonized with those names too.
>>155523167>and possibly did that just because any sensible choices had already been guessed by readersI'm pretty sure most of the hints about Tarn being Roller were just red herrings and there's set up for Tarn being who he is quite a while before he was eventually revealed.
>>155493489This shit is why I prefer G2 to RG1 as a continuation of Marvel. Yeah it was a bit too 90's at times but it didn't completely shit all over the characters and even had a far more hopeful ending (even with the threat of the Liege Maximo at the end). >>155493974To be fair to Optimus, its not like he had a lot of candidates for Autobot leader at that point. Xaaron is dead, Fort Max is offline and Ultra Magnus didn't exist in US Marvel. Well there's Blaster, but Furman made him into toon Blaster for some reason.
>>155522934>The comics have a bigger problem in how Budiansky and Furman weren't on the same page about Grimlock.Arrogant warmonger seemed pretty on point for them both what was prominently so different? I saw Grimlock trying to resurrect the others as a neat arc to calm him down
>>155523535If anything it was Bob that fucked up. Furman Grimlock isn't that different from the Grimlock that drove off Trypticon and won over the Autobots. Then a couple of issues later Bob turned him into arrogant asshole leader who forgot all the lessons he'd learned previously.If anything, the greatest disconnect between Bob and Furman would be Blaster. He went from Autobot Wolverine under Bob to Sunbow Blaster under Furman.
>>155523768>He went from Autobot Wolverine under Bob to Sunbow Blaster under Furman.O i dunno, he seems to still have his healing factor in that last issue>>155489685>>155489848>>155489860
>>155520388>Galvtron going to see Unicron who could have just telepathically told him "nah bro, you didn't kill Magnus yet"I mean partly that's because direct confrontation is more urgent for the viewer but yeah, the whole thing with Unicron hears Galvatron everywhere and punishes him for disobedience, Unicron just screams when Galvatron gets the matrix and predictably plots against him .... honestly, Furman handles it better with Unicron pulling alt-Galvatron back in time and simply laughing him off with "it doesn't matter bro, I own your ass, it's not like either of us believes you can open the thing"
>>155520833It's funny how any time there are two decepticon leaders on the same team they immediately start to plot to betray eachother. Scorponok was completely baffled at the end of the underbase arc when he realized OP was actually speaking the truth and wasn't trying to backstab everyone.
>>155524018And it was only possible because half of Scorponok was a Nebulan.
>>155524018The Decepticons do seem to have some kind of organized military hierarchy though. A Decepticon High Command is mentioned a few times (they're the ones who informed Ratbat about the cassettes with the Underbase information and appointed Thunderwing as commander in Marvel UK).
>>155520388>As fun as the movie is, there's no denying the script was all over the place, even more so than any of the Bayverse films or other movies in the franchise.Nigga, please. The movie introduces the stakes at very beginning, splits the characters up for their own sidequests, but builds up towards the final confrontation with Unicron.>Bots jumping between Cybertron and Earth like they're nextdoor to one another, but then having long trips in other scenesCybertron was always relatively close to Earth on the show, and it's not like they could go directly back to Cybertron after Autobot City got attacked. Plus they were dealing with a damaged ship.>rather pointless ones like Galvtron going to see Unicron who could have just telepathically told him "nah bro, you didn't kill Magnus yet"Unicron didn't give a shit about Magnus. He wanted the Matrix. And Galvatron in his hubris was going to bring it to him. >or at least have a soft spot for older cartoons and their film tie-ins and how those were quite frankly just big toy commercials with insane budgets.Comments like these are very reductionist, because everyone involved clearly wanted to make an entertaining action adventure film with real stakes and narrative consequences.>>155520298>Unicron was pretty anticlimacticHow so? He's s constant menace through the film and almost smashes the shit out of Cybertron for a good while before Rodimus opens the Matrix.
>>155525257>Comments like these are very reductionist, because everyone involved clearly wanted to make an entertaining action adventure film with real stakes and narrative consequences.Listen. It's an ad. Anon is right and to an adult who is used to a nuanced story, presumably, the story is a mess of things happening.If the story were paced out into an 8 episode series, and every act given at least 20 extra minutes, it'd be an incredible story. But this is an hour long movie to entertain children. Children invest differently and what seems like sugar addled nonsense is actually coherent. I remember watching the most random cartoons and building book length narratives around them.But for a bunch of cartoonists int he 80's, just being cool is enough. Your nostalgia and defense make you look like a manchild geewun baby.
>>155525352Reddit spacing a side, having underlying commercial interests (as every film does) doesn't mean it also can't try to tell a story, and being a dismissive fag to everyone who doesn't share your low effort criticisms (that you likely got from a Youtuber) doesn't make your stance any more credible.
>>155525257>Cybertron was always relatively close to Earth on the show,No it wasn't, they were far enough that they often needed the space bridges to get back, at least in early episodes when returning was a big thing for the Autobots who didn't know if their world was even still around after being comatose for millions of years. Even then, it doesn't change how silly it is that they could just pop over to earth in like five minutes as though they were in the same solar system when that wasn't the physical case.>Unicron didn't give a shit about Magnus. He wanted the Matrix.Yea?... and he could have telepathically could have said "you idiot, you only blew up part of his ship, he's still alive"Sure, it removes Galvatron as an active threat for a few minutes, but it doesn't change how silly it is that Galvatron could have been informed of his mistake without having to detour.>Comments like these are very reductionist, because everyone involved clearly wanted to make an entertaining action adventure film with real stakes and narrative consequences.It's hardly fucking reductionist when that's the truth. The movie was literally a vehicle for the new toys because the "original" toys were technically not originals, just slightly redesigned models of the two toylines that were used to create the Transformers. Pointing that out hardly takes away from the movie being fun, but it can't be denied that it was just a giant commercial at the end of the day.
>>155525477>reddit spacingLiterally no such thing, but okay, act like a baby because your precious cartoon movie got a fair criticism during a discussion.
>>155525257>How so? He's s constant menace through the film and almost smashes the shit out of Cybertron for a good whileNot really, he's mostly a vague planet throughout the movie. At the climax he smashes Cybertron a couple times, but you don't really see the effects of the damage too much. I wanted to see a planet scope size of damage from a planet sized threat. Everyone quickly transforms into vehicle mode and then buzzes around him like flys for a couple minutes. The ship crashing through his eye did the most damage. Honestly I wish we could've seen more of the inside of his body and maybe dealt some damage there. It's a PLANET sized transformer, but it honestly didn't feel any different than fighting a metroplex sized bot.
>>155489685I didn't take much notice when I first read it, but I guess Blaster's here because he'd been a major character about halfway through the series>>155523768I thought Furman barely used him?
>>155526447>no counnter argumentI accept your concession. Have a nice day.>>155526470He's an active and antagonistic presence through the entirety of the film. He turns Galvatron into Megatron, he eats the moon base, etc...
>>155523225>and Ultra Magnus didn't exist in US Marvel.Mistakes were made.
>>155524018It's also amazing how it's that far into the series before Starscream actually betrays his leader and makes a power play. Most of the 1984 Decepticons who aren't Megatron or Soundwave just didn't really do anything in these comics, most of them got killed by Omega Supreme, then killed again by Starscream in #50.
>>155529198Starscream not making an attempt every issue makes for a better read. It works in a cartoon because kids miss episodes. Not so much a comic with a coherent numerical order. You could watch G1 in random order and the only thing you'd need context for would be the 'lore' stories.
>>155529813Not every issue, sure. But that it doesn't happen at all until almost 50 issues in? It's insane to look back on it and realize he was deactivated for around half of those first 50 issues.
>>155529163Bob had some thing against using the Movie characters for some reason (maybe because he didn't write their bios?). You'd think that after killing off Optimus and Megatron would be the perfect opportunity to replace them with Ultra Magnus and Galvatron as the new leaders, but he had Grimlock and Ratbat become the new faction leaders instead (kind of surprised Hasbro let him get away with that, actually).I think only Hot Rod and Kup had actual speaking roles under Bob (Cyclonus and Scourge showed for one panel and were never seen again in Marvel US).
>>155503315He still came up with all the major personalities so he can’t be that awful.
>>155523225Furman deciding to ignore G2 for RG1 is still so weird to me. Was he that ashamed of it?
>>155519360>>half were 35+>>half were under 30I think of this as the BW gap. People around 28-36 grew up with BW and didn't really know G1. It was nearly impossible to find on video before the 2000's and not on TV. People my age might know it through osmosis but not really something that's nostalgic for most people my age, unless you went in on being a general TF fan like I did.
>>155486952This woman is retarded.
>>155530541RG1 included shit that Furman wanted to do when he thought he had plenty of time on the original book, like address the catastrophic Nucleon side effects and the resolution to the huge dangling plotline involving what happened to the various headmasters OG heads and FINALLY giving Ultra Magnus not only an official intro in the US comic book but allowing him a decisive victory over Galvatron that he never got allowed to do in the UK comic. Along with "earth being a ruin and humanity all but wiped out" being his meal culpa to fans who hated how the first 1/3rd of IDW Transformers (which Furman ran) was so utterly human centered for the first year and a half.Meanwhile G2 was Furman brought back, told he had 12 issues (and Hama doing most of the heavy lifting setting the book up in GI Joe) and the only mandate being a soft reboot jumping on point for new readers. Furman by this point was not into weight ore Transformers, so he went super violent killing characters left and right because Hasbro didn't give a shit and everyone rightfully sending that the book wouldn't live past said twelfth issue. Hence the last issue basically ending with Megatron and Optimus doing a truce.
>>155520833Would love to see more of straxus in the future. IDW tried bringing him back but gave him a god awful redesign and missed the point of his whole character.
>>155526483No, Blaster is there because Action Masters. Most of the revived Autobots were Action Masters or were part of the UK exclusive Transformers Classic reissue line.
>>155486987Valid crashout.
>>155530414Using the movie characters IIRC would require doing a time skip and. While he had an out to bring Kup, Blue, and HR I to the mix as Targetmasters, the others were more complicated.But as someone else said in an earlier thread, Bob knew well in advance how retarded it was to kill Optimus and probably refused to use the movie cast beyond what was mandated, to keep the door open for Optimus coming back. Especially since he explicitly set up a plot device to do so.
>>155530730>Bob knew well in advance how retarded it was to kill Optimusuh he did it himself. I don't think he was pushed for movie synergy. And it's a far less cool death than the movie.
>>155530760Bob got ordered to kill Prime and Megatron off and rebelled by giving them both clear outs. To the point that Furman IMMEDIATELY jumped on the out to keep Megatron aron in the UK books the entire time he was "dead" in the US comics
>>155487113>Finally, some peace and quiet...
>>155530777>>155530777>Bob got ordered to kill Prime and Megatron off and rebelled by giving them both clear outs.not according to him>Perhaps I was taking it to an absurd extreme, but I wanted to illustrate the high moral standards by which Optimus Prime lived. Even if it meant his departure from the scene, he lived up to his agreement with Megatron about the game. Also, I always planned on bringing him back, so reports of his “death” were greatly exaggerated, at least in hindsight. I chose Grimlock as the new leader for contrast, as much as anything else. Whereas Optimus Prime had great concern for humans caught in the Autobot-Decepticon conflict, Grimlock had virtually no empathy for humans. His only goal was to beat the Deceptions, and he was ruthless in pursuit of that goal. I thought his different approach would shake up the direction of the book in an exciting way and confound readers’ expectations, which it did, although, to be honest, many readers found Grimlock’s ascension to the leadership roll distressing, based on some of the letters we got. As for Ultra Magnus–wasn’t he from the movie? Wrong timeline. Anyway, I was just too intrigued by the idea of putting Grimlock in that spot. I certainly wasn’t influenced by Ultra Magnus’s popularity as a toy or cartoon character. I only prominently featured a toy in the book if Hasbro asked me to, otherwise, I wrote stories based using the characters that I thought worked best for that story, or I wrote stories that grew out of characters and their conflicts. And since I didn’t watch the cartoon, nothing I wrote was affected by it.
>>155530669>meal culpaanybody could have made this typo but I just wanted to say I'm proud of you and I love it
>>155530730You wouldn't really need a timeskip to bring in Ultra Magnus though (Furman did it just fine) especially with the setup Bob did of different Autobot cells operating on Cybertron. I'm just amazed that Hasbro allowed Bob to not only ignore Magnus (an expensive toy that could be advertised in the comic) but make Grimlock the new Autobot leader (a toy that was probably not be gonna be on sale anymore) and moreover have an arc where he was an asshole tyrant that stretched for like 10 to 20 issues of the comic.>>155530669Wiping out the Earth just seemed mean spirited (especially what happened to Buster). It's ironic that as edgy 90s as G2 got, it never went that far. Also, he brought in stuff from his IDW run that didn't fit in with Marvel, like mad scientist Scorponok and Jhiaxus. Also, RG1 Jhiaxus is far inferior to G2 Jhiaxus.
>>155529198>>155529813Let's be real, comic Starscream would never be able to get away with the crap cartoon Starscream pulled without getting blasted by Megatron/Shockwave/Scorponok. He had to be more cunning, and when he gets a chance to rule the Decepticons by becoming all powerful he takes it (before blowing himself up).
>>155527077>says the guy with no argument other than "huurr, spacing"Cry more, tardo newfag
>>155531898It took you over eight hours to come uo with this response, and you still don't have a counter argument.
>>155532178>caring how long the response tookI don't need a counterargument because you haven't provided anything worth arguing. You bitched about spacing because you literally didn't have anything of substance to discuss. Go be autistic elsewhere, shoo shoo
>>155532261If yoy're not even going to mention the other points I made than be quiet, you gay little faggot slave.
>>155532297You made no other points, and the fact that you began complaining about spacing and now obsessing over timelines of posts says far more about your autistic ass than it does me or anybody else.
>>155532326>types like a reddit faggot>projects like one>can't follow a simple threadPathetic
>>155532377>no arguments, just ad homs>cries about not getting counterargumentlolnic and kekels
>>155532396Makes up fake, gay wordsNot beating the Reddit allegations.
>>155532416>no argument, just bring up reddit nonstopAt least try to mix things up, newfag
>>155532422Read the thread, you lazy nigger. I made my arguments.
>>155532721No, you didn't, tardo. But hey, keep spazzing out because you couldn't argue for shit and thought spacing was a legitimate complaint.
>>155532839I'm pretty sure he didn't make some actual points before this argument devolved into gay mud-slinging
>>155530689A lot of characters were Action Masters. I think that Blaster was chosen from a range of maybe 15-20 of those as a survivor because of his earlier prominence in the comic
>>155530541For a moment I thought it might have been because G2 killed so many of the G1 cast that you'd have to spend time bringing a lot of them back again, but then RG1 did the robot zombies thing with a lot of the early G1 cast anyway.>>155530669>Furman by this point was not into weight ore Transformers>weight oreI don't know what this means.I suspect the G2 comic and the GI Joe issues that led into it all going hog-wild on killing Transformers was some kind of attempt to play to the 90s extreme audience that didn't really work.
>>155530777>To the point that Furman IMMEDIATELY jumped on the out to keep Megatron aron in the UK books the entire time he was "dead" in the US comicsIf only Furman had done a UK story that just gave Megatron a second 'death' that was similar enough to the first instead of the Fake Megatron retcon he ended up pulling.But speaking of Fake Megatrons, Megatron's decoy Megaplex from Machine Wars should be more of a thing.
Is it just me or this entire G1 Marvel run is a lot more fun to read than the IDW issues? Even when lighthearted, it has better characterizations and more interesting fights, and everything is a lot more logical and less complicated. Every single issue works on its own yet you still have over arcing plots, and despite the light heartedness it still has epic fights. I still think the Starscream fight that ended the Underbase saga was far more scary than the Unicron fight (which was pretty short, considering).And now I wonder what would've happened if they could've gotten the Underbase during the Unicron fight, either redirect it to hit Unicron to kill him, or have it absorbed by an entire army so everyone grows giant sized to fight Unicron, without instantly exploding.>>155523768Yeah but Furman turned him into an arrogant asshole like an issue after he was promoted, and he was single handedly responsible for the entire Autobot army getting Furminated.At least Bobs Grimlock got his shit together and fixed up the Ark, which was a wreck for the entire run, and he wises up the instant he sees how badly he fucked up.
>>155533434>A lot of characters were Action Masters. I think that Blaster was chosen from a range of maybe 15-20 of those as a survivor because of his earlier prominence in the comicYeah but being a major comic character probably helped, and it's not like they are going to have Omega Spreem show up. Wheeljack also showed up revived and he got a new toy, and Krok is the decepticon 2nd in command.It's not like they were gonna use Devestator or Omega Spreem.
>>155533630>I don't know what this means.He means the super ores in the IDW run that first power up Megatron, shifting the balance in power, then it is later revealed there are 13 different one of them all with their own power (one drives you crazy, one raises the dead, one is ultra-energon, one creates time dilation, etc), and it's a million year long plan by Shockwave and bringing all 13 together creates for a massive clusterfuck of a IDW-wide crossover.
>>155533840IDW's fanbase is a loud minority of liberal women.
>>155533840>Is it just me or this entire G1 Marvel run is a lot more fun to read than the IDW issues?IDW suffers from too many people with too many takes on too many characters.And all of them are a different variant of liberal. Then there's Furman.I think internet hammered the quality into a dented piece of slag because the writers were seeing fans online, reacting to them, and you end up with Tarn instead of Roller as a reveal, Prowl, Getaway and the whopper that is Arcee being Galvatron's brother but transitioning and then getting a girlfriend. There's writers who love a character only for someone to hate them, so you got Bumblebee who becomes leader on Earth with no respect, temp leader of cybertron with no respect, and whatever was going on with him dying. And it's made worse by the comic being 80% words and illegible on certain pages.
>>155486943Scorponok-sama... WE KNEEL
https://youtu.be/kHrGywzilaU?si=KQLCdzauJIkoqkZx
>>155534853Dictator Bumblebee just became canon.
>>155537395>Jazz, does Prime look like - >He sure does, lil dude, he sure does
>>155534853not me
Saw the movie today, I'm a zoomer so it was my first time. Fun but my criticisms are the same as everyone else's i.e. they kill all the interesting characters early on so you're stuck with literally whos for the rest of the film. Also as a Weird Al fan I was caught off guard by Dare To Be Stupid being in the soundtrack lol. The new special was cool but I was too much of a brainlet to get it. It was building to something more but there's not gonna be anything since Peter Cullen passed away.
>>155486852Good story
>>155533840While Marvel Transformers is almost entirely just two writers and the two runs gel together well enough, IDW1 has a lot of different writers through several different eras. The early Furman era is does a lot of things different to 'normal G1' and seemingly for the sake of trying to be different from normal, and juggles a lot of concepts and plotlines at the same time. The later runs refusal to just reboot and start over left them stuck with a lot of things they were having to retcon or write around.The All Hail Megatron era is like a soft reboot so they could do a "PG-13 Sunbow G1", sort of like the missing link between Dreamwave and Energon Universe, but the people who'd been reading the earlier Furman run hated that. Then we got the Costa run that fumbled right out of the game with the Bayformers-inspired redesigns and a writer admitting he didn't really get Transformers.The Roberts/Barber run seemed like a massive improvement at first, post-war Transformers being a fresh new idea, and they had a lot of world-building ideas, but by two years in the gays and fujos had swarmed in like sharks smelling blood or flies smelling poop, and online they drowned out the existing audience, the writers started writing for them. Roberts also went way overboard on Transformers making pop-culture references to human TV and movies, to the point where it got really annoying.I think social media has just ruined a lot of serial fiction in general because the writers are interacting with the worst kind of fans so much that they assume everyone wants what those creatures want.
>>155544617>>155534805I was thinking mostly of the Roberts/Barber run. Gay robots notwithstanding it also leans too hard on dumb metaphysics for plot twists that make no sense.Like Shockwave collects 13 dragon balls to summon the zombie universe to turn Cybertron into a supermassive black hole wiping out the rest of the universe, then he gets thrown back in time end ends up becoming one of the primes of legend but it's all just a 10 million year long plan to fuck with Optimus. But I could also mention the whole necrobot thing, Cyberutopia being an euthanasia center, Thunderclash being nearly killed by personality ticks who then die from an overdoes of charisma, and nobody remembers Rung because he got hit with a "forget-me" ray and oh btw he is secretly Primus.Also a bit miffed at how they turned some of my favourite characters into either incompetent assholes or brain damaged invalids, but I can just ignore that in favor of other characters having their own arcs that made them great. It ALMOST balances out, as long as I don't go thinking about what they did with Grimlock (2nd biggest autobot in Marvel, invalid retard who pisses himself in IDW).
