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>>155489297When did he say this?
>>155489522>A band I listened to a ton was a band called ‘Within Temptation,’ which was kind of a melodic metal band, but also kind of a gothy— they would have like violins and chanting and stuff. And that sort of mixture for Lute felt like it made so much sense. This interview: https://youtu.be/q1bZZzUMmlI
>>155489556So he listened to a band named after the Eden story and which did a bunch of songs inspired by the Eden story to get musical inspiration for Lute specifically. OK.
>>155489522it was an interview either with danny motta or with two other podcaster women, i can't remember the names of the latter unfortunately but it was definitely post s2 and they were talking about like edgy middle schooler music vibes? reposting direct links to the songs themselves for clarity:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vxx04quIzshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fgudq4CcH8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN6I75gG7sU
>>155489574TRUST. She's random Exorcist #3498732 who is a closeted butch lesbian who wants to do teh scissors with Vagyna. None of that hetslop shit here.
Okay, now this… THIS is perfect.It’s close enough that you can see Lute in Eve here, and vice versa with her current form, but also just different enough you could easily mistake them for different people. If this is what Eve looks like in the past as well as post-reveal (complete with horns), it’d make sense that when Adam first met Lute, he did takes, but was able to shrug it off as Eve being the template for the exorcists.
>>155489508Magic Man, did you draw that Eva/Lute with the long hair?
>>155489594GuitarSpear/Canon accurate Flowertunes was always Viv's and her Co-creators favourite hetslop ship. Other hetslop ships never stood a chance. One day the fandom will realise that fact.
>>155489686Oh goodness no, the best I can draw is pathetic stick figures with the words Sarcastic Horse and Manic Mailman printed on them, and they stink.Credits goes to this talent: https://x.com/didiyaoyao?s=11https://x.com/didiyaoyao/status/2099918927417704838?s=46
>>155489627I still think she's gonna be blonde.
>>155489627* he did a double take, is what I meant today. Stupid iPhone.
>>155489720Thank you.
>>155489508So are the angels and God good or not? What does this how call good if he'll is full of sinners and heaven is full of the repentant?They try so hard to contrive a way to make evil good and good evil but the only way they can do that is by portraying the good as evil. Thus proving that evil is still bad.
>>155490120They're good but retarded.
>>155490138You can usually say that for 80% of the show's characters.
>>155489627I like it, but to be fair I would add her having the ability to change hair color.
>>155489508Adam isn't a bad guy, he only made a mistake.
>>155489627Why is she fat?
>>155490138Why say that?
>>155490544Women tend to gain weight during and after pregnancies. Not sure how you're not aware of this fact.
People are still going on about how Viv didn't debunk Roo/Eve lol
>>155490568At this point it's going to go on till S3 and the Lute=Eve reveal happens. Only then will they accept defeat.
>>155489627I think she used to be blond but her hair turned brown after the fall.
What if Eve was split into two people, Lite and Rosie?
>>155490564Ah, i get it now.
>>155490992no
>>155490992there is more to that...think of it as each one fully believing they are Eve but just being part of a whole.also if Rosie was Eve then you can bet that she would have stopped everyone from killing him, then have a cat fight with Lute before settling into sharing as they are the same person, ergo, if Rosie was Eve then she wouldn't have allowed Adam to die but rather fetch her man and have more kids.
>>155491059again this is a shitty theory but it wouldn't make sense Rosie would let Adam die but rather backstab Charlie and her friends for thinking they can jump her hubby.
>>155491083>Rosie backstabs Charlie, literally.>The Cannibals were told to pull back, but not given a reason why. >Now, all can see.>She runs to Adam, so happy.>He's confused cause whose this bitch? Not that he isn't surprised a hot babe wants his dick, Sinner or not.>But then he looks into her face, after a moment of disgust, and thoroughly rejects her.>He doesn't believe she's Eve, rubbing salt in the wound by telling her what she's missing from Eve that makes her Eve.>When Rosie, hurt and off guard, tries to get him to believe her, he takes the opportunity to slam a blessed spear into her stomach.>Bam! Free kill!>Highfives Lute.>As Rosie falls to the ground, clutching her stomach, she begins crying, which Adam laughs at and teases.>That's when, however, when she collapses, she begins to sing something.>Something that makes him stop laughing. And pay attention.>She's singing, in The First Language.>It's a lullaby, one Eve used to sing to soothe Abel when he was a babe.>She doesn't finish, and dies.>Ihavemadeamistake.goku.
>>155491556ADAM NO!
>>155491545we can say she is HORN-y.
>>155491545This is how she and zombie/sinner Adam need to reunite. All tongue!
>>155489508I have the feeling Eve at some point did had a ONS with Lucifer
>>155491913No
>>155491947its how I believe she would get into Heaven, Lilith and Lucifer wants a child thus she surrogates thus Charlie can take het spot in Hell and go to Heaven at last
>>155489508I fall for that
>>155492074That goes against the lore of Lilith as being the mother of demon and i don't even think that matters.
on the last thread was something interesting about charlie going full on schizo mode in trying to find out about eve when she met adam and he snapped at her for touching a small portrait of eve
>>155492406nta but he has a point as its usual of lilith to be portrayed as barren due to her fall so she had to resort to drastic measures for her to become a motherI doubt viv wouldn't use such a crutch to explain the connection lilith has with roo as something had to be done for her to be able to reproduce and the extra thing here to let her into heaven would also have to do with both eve and charlie
>My biggest fear... IS... that the Vees or some other terrorist group would get a hold of a dirty bomb, that exploded over a major city within Heaven and kill tens of millions of angels... because then the blow back against innocent demons would be absolutely terrible...
>>155493602>innocent demons
>>155493602>>155493846
one thing that had never been done is applying the same thing doctor who did and have a character be reborn like a phoenixadam stays the same as a base but with a twist, he becomes another adam or the second adam and so on forth
>>155494546Ugly ass design
>>155494582before his face was revealed there were a lot of fanart about him being blonde or ginger
>>155494642Makes sense, because Lilith.
>>155491913It's weird people still cling to this idea after S2 showed he ain't capable of shit.
>>155495719He beat the shit out of Adam lmao
>>155489627Why is she not blonde?
>>155494642>skinny twink adamnasty, once again thank you based viv for confirming his roundness
>>155495740Not what I was talking about but sure.
>>155496053perhaps you might be right but still it would have been interesting to see alternate forms of Adam...though, Lilith betrayed Hell for that sweet piece of ass.
>>155496226For your point it would be more fitting if Lilith was edited into the picture.
>>155490149You can usually say that for 60% of real-life people.
>>155496297True but 60% Vs 80% is a terrifying difference.
>>155496039Why the fuck does she need to be blonde. Brunette or black haired Eve is superior
>>155496056>doesn't elaborate or clarifylol ok
>>155491913Wouldn't be surprised at all.
>>155496326Fuck that she doesn't get to be brunette. She doesn't deserve that.
>>155496326Listen nobody is criticising what you like but high chance Lute's Eve appearance is gonna be blonde. It's Viv's show and we both know she loves spamming blondes like she's your average marvel rivals artist.
>>155496337You are awfully cunty today.
>>155494642Somehow uglier than the one we got stuck with.
>>155496226>>155496289I have one better
>>155496375Who here isn't
>>155496408My mom!
>>155496404>"This is really quite interesting, ribs"What exactly is she trying to say here?
>>155496408Idk people who had their coffee/tea/unstable concoction.
>>155496326>>155496365to be fair, even if Lute ends up being Eve and blonde I wouldn't have minded a a different Eve, like this adorable doe eyed creature.
>>155496415She is quite sweet.
>>155496417Ben be jw
>>155496429I just tend to accept whatever the show does. If fine with whatever. They can make her ginger and it wouldn't affect me much (would however raise the question if she actually has a soul). I'm just expecting blonde Lute/Eve because Abel and because it fits Viv's track record.
>>155496452:| my brain ain't running on full capacity. Can you please explain it in moron language?
Am I crazy to say I'm afraid that Viv will do the twin Lilith/Rosie/Eve route.
>>155496476Yes you're crazy. They poked fun at the theory several times and it really doesn't fit with the current show stuff. It's not gonna happen.
>>155496489I really really really don't want it to happen, and I don't think it will based on what's been said but like...It's Vivienne.
>>155496429also there is a unfallen Eve pic I have, aka a what if of an Eve who simply let Lucifer and Lilith take a bite first to prove their point.she looks heavenly and angelic yet you can almost see Lute in her but without the burdens or guilt.
>>155496469didn't ya see the pic?
>>155496497I have faith in the lady. Despite her outward appearance there's a seed of chud in her.
>>155496516That he's carrying a dumptruck and Lilith is craving some cake?
If the lute/eve theory is right then eve lost her memories?
>>155496590No. We've been literally saying and pointing out the fact she has all her memories. Why do people think she has amnesia? The whole thing is that she's aware of her past. That's why she's such a crazy bitch. The apple is the equivalent of that cringe/embarrassing thing you did once upon a time which haunts you to this day.
>>155496590or just with DID after so much trauma.poor woman is the type to go crazy after a loss, like Abel.something shattered in Eve long ago and Adam managed to put it back together through a lifetime of love, albeit brittle but it broke again after Adam's death.
>>155496609So she was consciously a bitch to her own son?
>>155496635Yes. Because her son is a grown ass man and a massive pussy. She's obviously a volatile type and Abel not being great emotional support isn't helping.
>>155496643It would make sense if she has all her memories because if not then all of heaven would look bad for having a amnesiac/brainwshed woman in their army i guess
>>155496635Nobody tell this guy that (whispers) mean, abusive and evil mothers exist!111
>>155496635>>155496643she is essentially a fem TFS Vegeta, the moment her son dies or gets badly hurt she'll go full "MY BABY BOY" and blast whoever dared to hurt him.
>>155496661Nope. It wouldn't make sense because the entire fucking point is her past actions drive her to acting and thinking the way she does.Also, Jessica Vosk said at the recent con she is very highly motivated by her past. I wonder why.
>>155496675I just didnt make the connection that lute is such a bitch that she even bullies her own son
>>155496675Thing is she might not even be that awful normally. Like she's volatile and nasty but she's currently dealing with a lot of shit and going through some hard times. Abel was obviously not her favourite but he's currently shitting himself (metaphorically and a bit literally) so it makes sense Eve/Lute doesn't have the patience to deal with him.
>>155496635Abel was Adam's least favorite son?!? Dad gets a pass to be a dick, but mom doesn't? Fuck off lol
>>155496700I never saw adam being a dick to Abel, did you see adam being a dick to him? My point is that i would expect for her to have some decency
>>155496700He was obviously not a favourite of both. We'd already seen that Lute/Eve and Adam tend to share a lot of thoughts and opinions. Abel is soft and weak willed lacking his parents bloodlust and mentality. It's not exactly a stretch to assume they loved/preferred more the son that was more similar to them.
So is Valentino going to be a main antagonist this season? What do you expect of him?
>>155496726Cain should appear in helluva boss
>>155496719Could be a case where Adam just kinda gave up on Abel. He knows he ain't changing that boy and he'd ain't ever gonna toughen up. Lute/Eve is harsh but maybe she's like that because she still clings to the idea she can turn him into a man through hardship.
>>155496719>I never saw adam being a dick to AbelBecause Adam's dead by the time Abel appears on screen?? When Lute says 'Adam didn't even like you' Abel says 'I know' and doesn't fight it.
>>155496747Honestly would like if him or maybe another son of Adam and Eve (maybe Seth) show up. Would work to build a contract/foil for Abel and to actually show us what a proper kid of the two would be like. Abel is obviously an outlier and not the norm.
>>155493602kek, this is literally what happened. Love Vivzie but she is a libtard
>>155496772How would a plot like that work? Cain contracts imp to finally be able to die? Or some enemy of caín (like Seth) contracts them to kill him?
>>155496732Vivzie has the guts to write a rapist in a sensitive way?
>>155496732No he's just the main Vee. The main antagonist will be Alastor (and Lilith?)
>>155496804Guy that was screwed over by Cain ends up in Hell and contracts IMP to kill the guy (neither he or they are aware he's Cain the son of Adam and immortal). Shenanigans happen and maybe he somehow ends up in Hell(not dying just randomly walking in as a alive guy).
>>155496758They're just being purposefully obtuse about it. "Lute just imagined that!!1" Completely ignoring that Abel reinforces their dynamic. Adam straight up did not like Abel lmao Sam Haft said he didn't even do a good enough job at emulating him and that the "Bitch you better step back!" is THE closest thing he's ever been like Adam.
>>155496904High chance people will start accepting that fact once Lute is revealed to be Eve and they realise both of Abel's parents didn't like him.
>>155489508Hazbin Hotel is highly satanic because it has DEMONS and HOMERSEXUALS
Here’s a little Lute/Eve tease for the night. Nexus Point News received advance access to Season 2 for their review, which was published two days before the season premiered. In the middle of discussing the Heaven storyline, the reviewer specifically wrote:>>“Complicating things on Heaven’s end is Lute (Jessica Vosk), Adam’s lieutenant – thus far, there has been no mention of Eve, leading some fans to presume there is a potential connection between her and Lute.”Now, I have absolutely no idea how much advance material Nexus Point News was given, or whether they had the same level of access as larger entertainment outlets like Collider. That distinction matters. Depending on the publication and embargo agreement, critics can receive anything from a handful of episodes to an entire season, and reviews are often specifically restricted in what plot details they’re permitted to reveal before release. Nexus themselves explicitly say there was “much more” about Season 2 that they could not share prior to the premiere, so they were clearly working under spoiler restrictions of some kind. It proves absolutely nothing, and I’m not going to pretend a reviewer casually mentioning a niche fan theory is secret confirmation from Amazon. But it’s such a strangely specific observation to insert into an advance review. Eve is brought up specifically in relation to Lute, completely unprompted and without any reason, given that she's not even mentioned in Season 2. Between Jessica Vosk alluding to Lute/Eve twice now, Lute’s still-classified history, and all the secrecy surrounding her backstory, I'm hella sus
>>155496951Forgot the link: https://nexuspointnews.com/review-hazbin-hotel-season-two/
>>155489712I'm pretty sure her favorite hetslop ship is Niffty x Sir Pentious.
>>155496996You're not serious. Viv has gushed about Lute/Adam since the show first started. Also, I think we should use guardrock
>>155496996>>155497006Forgot the image because I'm an idiot
Interesting how during the last few threads discussing this theory no one has mentioned Vaggie hiding her secret identity from Charlie
>>155497034Was she really hiding anything? Or was Charlie just that fucking stupid? Vaggie wasn't in a disguise or anything
>>155497009So? Viv just likes the name.
> Season 2 Episode 2 opening > Lute doesn’t trust a snake Oh.
>>155497085Even made better by the fact that Amir confirmed that Season 1 Episode 1 was actually supposed to be the Season 1 finale, so Sir Pentious' trial was supposed to be the first episode of Season 2.She also hisses like a snake, and it's the same episode where Abel is looking into a glass case with a snake lolAdam also fought Lucifer's snake form in Seaosn 1.It's all coming together,
>>155497108Alternate universe where Hazbin Hotel got enough episodes to tell it's story.
If Lute's Eve she's hands down the best written/most complex character in the verse and no-one can ever say Vivziepop can't write women again.
>>155497046It's kinda hard to compare the two because while Adam is kinda retarded he isn't Charlie levels of retarded. Eve had to take the equivalent of a high school math exam while Vaggie had to do a preschool test.
>>155497130What does the fandom even want though. Because people are bitching about Roo being a woman and being the big bad of the show
>>155497130Well there might be a chance Lute's good writing is a byproduct of A24's meddling and guidance.
>>155497073Personally I prefer RibRock but I guess Guardrock is good.
>>155497157RibRock is catchier imo
>>155497073It's pretty apparent she likes the ship a lot. Are there seriously any other contenders for the Hetslop crown?
Abel loves his mommy. #HolyBlades
>>155497186Groping your mom's muscles and making that face is certainly weird. Holyblades stuff is kinda bothering me nowadays.
>>155497184Potentially Niffty x Sir Pentious. Sir Pentious seems to be one of Viv's favorite characters dunno about Niffty though.
>>155497192I dislike the shippers because they think it has a shot at being canon and God forbid you call out all the weird and distasteful implications of shipping these two together. Honestly it's not even the incest thing, it's the superiority complex.
>>155497192Don't worry most people will stop shipping them when Season 3 drops.
>>155497200How many art pieces with this specific ship has Viv liked? I'm kinda doubting it takes the Hetslop crown.
>>155497184This mfer really thinks guitarspear is on the bottom of Viv's hetgem tier list lmao
>>155497204I dislike their superiority and victim complex but what weirds me out is that the art is technically incest without the implications or intentions that the creator knows it's incest. Like incest stuff doesn't really bother or affect me normally. I've seen weird incest shit from games, movies , shows or books/fanfics I've read. I'm fine with it as long as the underlying idea that's it's incest is made clear. Like I'm not gonna bat an eye when Malekith from Warhammer fantasy is banging his mom because it's presented as a what it is.
>>155497212I think it's certainly one of the top in Viv's hetgem tier list.
>>155497247I'm pretty sure it's NR 1. Of course being NR 1 in the straight list doesn't have the same prestige as being NR 5 in the Homo Yaoi kingdom but it's still a good deal.
Holyblades partisans don't believe the Eve theory (unless xey're sickos...) so it's kinda moot
Abel's fans kind of ruined him for me, there's something weird and rapey about them.
>>155497266That one holyblades shipper on twotter says Jessica Vosk 'breaks their heart' and gets really blue that Lute/Eve is looking more and more plausible
Viv has always been an enjoyer of hetgem especially if you go back to her Zoophobia days.
>>155497266>Holyblades partisans don't believe the Eve theory (unless they're sickos...) Frankly I have more respect for the sickos rather than the non believers. At least they see the weird incest shit and say " I could fuck with this" rather than huffing copium that it's not true and that Holyblades is gonna be canon.
>>155497275I dont like the hairless fat man look... fat men should be hairy with an enormous bush
>>155497275Funny enough all they talk about him in the Trash thread is how they wanna rape and abuse him.
>>155497275If you mean /hhg/ Abel fans just know that 4chan is the smallest major social media platform and that it's the most extreme.
>>155497108Can you explain the season 1 finales thing?
>>155497295There was that Twitter Abel guy with the gross hyper slob profile pic who got called out for pretending to be 18 and other odd stuff recently.
>>155497295Eh. Here it tends towards rape but outside it tends towards infantilization. Both are kinda weird.
>>155497294Rape and abuse aren't on my huge list of fetishes so unfortunately the current /trash/ stuff does nothing for me, the general used to be more varied though
I kind of wish Viv focused on the hotel, the redemption premise, the world, the action, the songs and the animation rather than gay drama I couldn't care less about. The show has a lot of potential that is ignored or wasted.
>>155497289No, actually though. There are so many layers to why it’s fucking weird.Lute’s entire Season 2 arc snowballs out of Adam’s death. She’s still actively grieving a man she was deeply attached to, she’s a cocksucker, for fuck’s sake, so pairing her with Adam’s son is already an inherently fucked-up premise. It could actually be interesting if people embraced it! Give me Lute and Abel grieving Adam, emotionally compromised, reaching for the closest remaining piece of him and making a catastrophic mistake together. There’s material there. Instead, it gets turned into this cutesy Hallmark romance where Abel melts Lute’s icy heart while everyone conveniently ignores that the dead man she’s mourning is his fucking father. It’s like watching Pearl spend Steven Universe grieving Rose and deciding Pearl/Steven would be adorable. Ayo. Obviously the circumstances aren’t identical, but you’re stripping away the uncomfortable implications that make the premise what it is. and like other people have said, I doubt anyone would care nearly as much if the Holyblades crowd stopped pretending they somehow have the moral high ground for shipping it.
>>155497307Which fucking sucks because Abel ain't that bad. His fans are insufferable.
>>155497289That one holyblades shipper is now suggesting Vosk might be cagey about Eve because Lute will date Eve in later seasons. I thought they were cheering on the BFF merch because it meant Lute wasn't screwing Abel's dad? But if she's screwing his mom that's ok?
>>155497410So the holyblades shipper is saying Lute will date EveThe Roo!Eve artist is saying Lute is modeled after EveYou guys smell that? Delicious cope.
>>155497410>Lute will date Eve in later seasonsHoney new Lute Larper material just dropped? I mean technically she's having sex with Eve whenever she's masturbating (because she's Eve). Is she gonna start kissing the mirror now?
>>155497415It's kinda obviously cope at this point. They're grasping for straws because they're falling downhill and they know it.
>>155497417Fun story... I used to draw Lute/Eve stuff, then just started lurking and commenting here. Saw someone on tiktok steal my Lute!Eve art to make LutexEve art. I have no words. But yes, it's a thing.
>>155497425to make a LutexEve video, I meant to say. it's funny.
>>155497425Eh why? Like it's even weirder if the Lute/Eve design they stole looked like Lute and then had that be with Lute. Is it a new species of Lilith/Eve twin theory fans that love the art that has them bang (which is weird since they look related since you know twins).
>>155497423How are they interpreting Jessica’s responses to the Lute = Eve theory itself as evidence that Lute is going to date Eve or turn out to be her clone? We’re not talking about Jessica being cagey over some vague question like, “Hmm, I wonder if Lute and Eve will ever interact?” She directly responded to a post theorizing that Lute IS Eve. Then she fist-bumps an attendee after they told her they suspected Lute is Eve. Both instances are specifically about those two women being the same person. Hello??? You can absolutely argue that Jessica is teasing the theory without confirming it, but I genuinely do not understand how you get from that to “she’s being cagey because Lute is going to date Eve” or “actually, Lute is her clone.” Those are completely different theories that nobody was asking her about.They are coping hard.
>>155497445Yup. It's pretty obvious.
>>155497415>The Roo!Eve artist is saying Lute is modeled after EveDon't forget they said if Eve isn't Roo she could still be Lilith or Rosie... Something's missing...
>>155497463What? Why?
>>155497463Lilith = Eve has already been pretty thoroughly debunked. Viv has discussed Lilith and Eve as two physically distinct characters in the A24 interview, the show has never actually suggested that one woman switched places with or secretly became the other, and everything we’ve gotten since has continued to reinforce Lilith as simply being Lilith, with her own history and relationship to Adam. Even Erika has reinforced this, saying Charlie ALWAYS wanted her mother's attention - ouch.Roo/Eve has pretty much just been debunked.Rosie/Eve is technically still on the table, but ranked lower since Lute’s voice actress has now directly entertained Lute/Eve on two separate occasions, while continuing to tease that Lute has some huge, mysterious past she isn’t allowed to talk about. Lute is the obvious contender for Eve’s current identity is staring us directly in the face.
>>155497473Lute!Eve is like 9/11 for most Flowertunes shippers. They would rather entertain the idea of Rosie being Eve and playing an active role in killing her own husband than consider she might be Lute. Then how would they get their indie points for not shipping the popular ship?
I don't know why Adam x Eve shippers reject the idea of an Eve who clearly and obviously still loves him and never left him
>>155497429Never understood the appeal of Lute X Eve. Like at least she interacts with the characters she's normally shipped with and is shown to like Adam specifically. Currently (unless you're a goated Schizo) Eve is a non existent character. Even if you wanna ship her with an Eden bitch at least use Lilith. They interacted and we know they can communicate to one another (it also might be the most plausible if she ends up being Eve because her and Lilith probably have business/beef or you can do some weird Eden human threesome shit if you like).
>>155497463Rosie/Roo I can actually buy. There are enough little things there to make me suspicious: Rosie’s Emporium R.E. Root of All Evil, the conspicuous lack of Roo’s eyes throughout Cannibal Town, and especially that shot with Alastor telling Rosie he quit, where the R.E. initials are prominent in certain shots. The one thing keeping me from fully committing to Rosie = Roo is Viv saying that they’ve begun recording Roo’s lines. It doesn’t rule out Rosie being a vessel, disguise, or identity Roo uses, but it does make me hesitant to say Rosie herself is literally Roo. I'd be fully bought in otherwise.
>>155497484So they're actually larping liking Adam X Eve? Like if you think Rosie is Eve what mental gymnastics are required for you to think these two can still be a thing? Do they want Rosie to pull a Warwick and turn Adam into a sinner like monstrous husband for herself and lock him in her sex dungeon?
>>155497488Don't fucking ask me I don't understand their crazy logic. Jokes aside it's really weird.
>>155497488I think a big part of it, beyond the obvious fact that fandom has essentially invented its own Eve, is that she became the perfect counterweight to Adam: soft, sweet, submissive, endlessly patient, and somehow morally better than him while still loving the resident bad boy. It’s not an uncommon dynamic, and I understand the appeal. The problem is that they ran so far with it that their preferred version of Eve became canon in their heads, and now anything that threatens that characterization gets treated like fucking blasphemy. Those outdated leaks probably didn’t help either, especially the whole Lilith-twin angle, because they gave people a visual framework that stuck around even among artists who otherwise rejected the leaks. The details changed, but the archetype survived: Eve remained this beautiful, gentle, hyperfeminine woman who mostly submits to Adam rather than actually resembling him in any meaningful way. So I think an Eve who never stopped loving Adam, never really left him, and might actually share some of his worst qualities clashes with the version of her fandom has spent years building, which is kinda funny. Hazbin’s version of Adam and Eve are both rabies-infected possums digging through the trash, and it's fucking beautiful.
>>155497505The Rosie/Eve crowd is a slightly different breed. They still tend to want the soft, sweet Eve, but unlike the usual Adam/Eve crowd, or Roo/Eve, they imagine her as someone who wants absolutely nothing to do with Adam anymore and has completely moved on from him. I actually respect that interpretation a little more. Honestly, some of the Rosie/Eve designs I’ve seen are cute.
>>155497522What a dickkkkk (she loves it)
>>155497521I know that. I was referring to the Roo=Eve crowd that in light of recent events might start entertaining the idea of Rosie=Eve. Like it doesn't work. The proper Rosie=Eve crowd assumes she either hates Adam or doesn't give a shit about him(harsh).
>>155497513It also lessens that tragic pining aspect to bad boy Adam. Ah yes, your beloved long lost wife.... who you did paintball with yesterday
>>155497539>Ah yes, your beloved long lost wife.... who you did paintball with yesterdayThat's actually sounds very awesome and cute. It's more wholesome.
>>155497542It means that humanity, for all it's flaws, was originally born of true love. The messy kind that sticks around. I think that's nice.
I like to think Adam was the one that rejected Lilith, but Lilith just tries to paint it the other way around to save face.
>>155497560Lilith's a fucking downer man, you saw the way she wasn't interested in any of that cool shit he found in the storybook.
>>155497570>"I mean, I love the vibe, totally, I love your tunes. Pretty fuckin' hardcore, don't get me wrong. But it's such a bummer, man, everything down there is just so BLAUGH, you know. *laughs* Eww..."
Did Lute's favourite fruit/food ever get confirmed?
>>155497592Rats
>>155497598No like did we ever get anything confirmed?
>>155497560I think the real rugpull will be playing Adam straight as a misogynistic controlling bastard per the 'traditional' (feminist) narrative. Since Vivziepop likes her male characters they'll probably add something about him being naive and manipulated due to being the first man with no cultural guardrails, but it wouldn't be Lilith herself controlling him I wouldn't think.
>>155497635No
>>155497560>>155497570Honestly I think Lilith fundamental issue regarding Adam wasn't him being that bad but her just not having the skills to properly approach him. Lute/Eve was probably an expert at that which is why she believes herself to be a master manipulator (except it only works on Adam). Lilith was trying to make the horse go in one direction by pushing him while Lute/Eve would just dangle a carrot on a stick and gently guide him in her desired direction.
>>155497639I was just asking cuz I like the idea of Lute/Eve liking pears. You know since Adam is kinda shaped like one. Would be a sorta cute metaphorical cannibalism parallel. Adam likes eating ribs(Lute/Eve) and Lute likes eating pears(Adam).
How fat is Adam in pounds?
>>155497665Lute/Eve gets her way by tugging his collar apparently. She's pretty straightforward. I think the difference is she doesn't try to one-up Adam or bring him down. Adam and Lilith might have been a clash of two massive egos struggling for dominance, and while Eve is forceful she sees Adam's ego as something exciting she can enjoy and hype up instead of a challenge she needs to beat.
>>155497687For God's sake anon there's more to life than Adam's voluptuous gut and generous love handles. Not much, but there must be something.
>>155497687Kinda hard to calculate since his height is pretty inconsistent.
>>155497703Yes, there is work. I work.
Emily probably doesn't actually like Abel since she looked annoyed when he first spoke up in the court and she got mad at him when he said Lute had a point.
>>155497822Work on weighing fat men apparently.
>>155497832I still think it's endgame. It might just be something that gradually happens across the seasons. Abel winning Emily over with his barely noticeable charm(there's barely anything there).
>>155497895That or Abel joins his mom's crusade because Emily brushes him off for demons.
>>155497895Wow, Abel’s got his dad’s appetite.
>>155497909He becomes an angelic incel chud (Lute/Eve's strongest soldier). She's finally proud of him. Even hits him with the "Your father would be proud of you".
Who's ready for some god awful delusional takes on Lute. Too bad I'm posting anyway
>>155497958Where's her hijab...
>>155497967
>>155497974Does this person even like Lute
>>155497958>Comphet>LesbianAre we ignoring the bit in Gravity with the almost dry humping and her Youtooz figurine description?
>>155497958Nothing about her is Islamic besides being part of Adam's harem of Fish Speakers>voidpunkCringe>>155497909 >>155497950Do you think he has Adam's holy light beams? He's implied to be weaker (physically, not just temperamentally) but he could also just be choosing not to use them. Maybe he inherits the beams with the position of Exorcist commander.
>>155497995At this point we're ignoring everything. Not a single shred of Lute went into this OC
>>155498006Once again proving that people only like Lute's design and completely ignore everything about her in favour of slapping their oc and having it skinwalk her.
>>155498005Wtf is void punk?
>>155498005>Do you think he has Adam's holy light beams? He's implied to be weaker Probably. They do seem to be the same type of angel/winner/whatever the fuck they are. I could see him actually doing some damage if he locks in and maybe has his mommy to guide him.
>um actually in my headcanon she's fanatically devoted to Sera, not AdamAnything so long as it's not straight, right.
>>155498045These people are gonna be so mad when it's confirmed she's Eve and they have to grapple with the fact she and Adam were married and canonically fucked (see Abel). Those two had so much breeding sex they fucked humanity in existence. Your comphet headcanon is dead.
What Guitarqueen shippers actually believe??
>>155498084What is this?
>>155497909>Emily brushes him off for demonsGood. Her main job should be cucking Cherri or Vaggie (or both), not getting with that fat fuck.
>>155498084Adamina, as a first-generation human molded out of clay by God himself, towers over 9 feet tall. This makes her still shorter than the average trans woman.
>>155497833Nah, work afternoon shifts.
>>155498084No? What is this?
>>155498121You assume she can't do both?
>>155498167Remember what Angel Dust said about Pentious...
>>155498084Isn't Adam slightly taller than Lilith?
>>155498167Of course, but it's funnier to imagine Cherrisnake and uh, Emibel(...?) sjippers getting BTFO'd by such a plotline.
>>155498272Don't worry, Cherrisnake is going to be btfo'd by Niffty x Sir Pentious plotline.
>>155498328Niffty Schizo did you have your vision of Niffty X Sir Pentious in a dream?
>>155498272>Emibel(...?)Serapherd I think is the correct term.
Eating contest between Adam and Abel.Who wins?
>>155498328they're setting up Baxbomb in the wings for when this happens. Judging by their scene in S2E3 she's a real tsundere for him
>>155498380Nope, just conjecture from a post by the official Hellaverse twitter account that may be leaked information. Also, my observation that Cherrisnake is likely being setup to be condemned by the show since all Cherri and Pentious care about is the sinful/toxic/abusive aspects of their past relationship. I admit I could be wrong.
>>155498407Adam
>>155497150The quality difference between Hellaverse and TADC is proof that "creatives" fucking need tard wranglers to keep them from running the plot off a cliff with their self-indulgent fetishes.
>>155498737I think this is the drawback of indie animation's creative freedom. Like, yeah the executives without an artistic bone in them aren't going to sabotage the project but the creatives still need people to prevent them from doing whatever they want even if it's a bad idea.
>>155498737Exactly. Especially if said creator has some form of autism, specific disorder or weird "quirk". Tard wrangling is necessary almost 70% of the time.
>>155489508Who would win, Heaven, the Hazbin Hotel, or Dethklok?
>>155498798Dethklok
>>155498102Hey, Jake the mistake, fuck off.
>>155498842Adventure TimeCome on grab your friendsWe'll go to very distant landsWith Jake the christian and Finn the humanThe fun will never endIt's Adventure Time.
What is Sera’s lesbian wife like in personality and looks?
>>155499396She's a big-breasted, wide-hipped bimbo that swears a lot, thinks constantly about sex and does drugs.
>>155499396Don't think she has one. Seems like the sad single lesbian type. Really putting the "L" in LGBT.
>>155498407Adam. Abel's soft from years of easy living but he lacks the sheer stomach capacity, stamina and shamelessness. Adam would win easily but he might be impressed with his son for once if he can match him halfway.
Fucking cute
I also remembered that Emily was struggling to say something nice about Abel regarding how he would handle the situation with the genocides. She really doesn't like Abel, huh? Imagine if that ends up being a pattern in the show. Abel loves his dad. His dad doesn't love him. Abel loves his mom. His mom doesn't love him. Abel loves Emily. Emily doesn't love him.
I think Sera and Saint Peter aren't fond of Abel either. Does anyone even like Abel or is he disliked like Adam?
>>155500399At least Lute likes Adam. God damn. Abel really putting the accent on the "L" in his name cuz that's all he takes. I wonder if the devious little shit comment will come into play? Like he gets so fed up and desperate that he starts listening to mommy Eve(Lute) which leads to a lot of issues for the Heaven bunch.
>>155500399I wouldn't say they dislike him? He's just kind of... Annoying lol
Apparently there's a shot with storybook Lilith in a mural in the HB S3 trailer. Think she has a different pose from what we've seen so far.
>>155498842Actually it's my dad who's the mistake so i guess technically you're right? But either way God keeps me around for a reason even when i tried to rage quit.>>155498873So who here would be Finn? Love the post by the way.
>>155500941Wait, that's legit? I thought that was an edited screenshot
>>155501037>>155500941
>>155501037Yeah apparently she's smiling and sitting under the tree of knowledge. Without Lucifer. I guess the idea she's connected to Roo might be true.
>>155501065Very interesting, she's under the tree... That wasn't in the opening sequence. Am I crazy or does her hair look a little different?
>>155501086A little but could just be angle thing or just a byproduct of being a newly drawn scene meant to recreate the same style as the storybook but couldn't get it exactly right.
>>155501020>Actually it's my dad who's the mistake so i guess technically you're right?Daddy issues?
>>155497703of course! his bountiful tits.
>>155501178Chill out Lilith
>>155501065Okay so... We have Lilith apparently nervous or hesitating and stepping toward Eve. It's a very short few frames, but it's in the opening, before Lucifer shows up in front of her, looks like she doesn't want to step close. Then we have her and Roo's name very close together in the "serving cunt" board and now there's this....Yeah, I think Roo and Lilith have some shit going on. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the actual switch.
>>155501174You have no idea.
>>155501244Actual switch or possession? Would be hilarious if the Roo!Eve guys a right except they got the wrong character and it's actually Roo!Lilith. Fuck to make it even more funny OG Lilith is the nice soft klutzy lady Flowertunes fans want.
>>155501020>So who here would be Finn?>Love the post by the way.I dunno Jake.
>>155501343>OG Lilith is a nice soft klutzy ladyThat would make her one of the most rapeable female characters in Hazbin.
>>155501343Switch. What really catches me is that both the former employee and the old leaks, if you go back and read them carefully, only say they think Rosie is Lilith. Which is incredibly strange if that’s supposedly the big reveal. What do you mean you think?I don’t necessarily believe the Lilith we see in the flashbacks or on the card is Roo, but I do suspect the woman Roo is Charlie’s biological mother, or, at the very least, that Lilith and Lucifer made some kind of deal with Roo in order to have Charlie. That would account for Charlie visibly inheriting traits from Roo. I just can’t figure out the exact mechanics yet.But yes, if there really is an identity-switch twist buried somewhere in all of this, I increasingly think the fandom spent years looking at the wrong woman.And then you add in what Viv said about Lilith being a fallen angel... I don't know, there's something that isn't adding up.
>>155501412Please don't.
My unhinged theory is that the storybook is broadly accurate, but the visuals are intentionally false. “Eve” might not have actually looked like that at all, they could simply be using Lilith’s appearance as a visual stand-in because the story is presenting a simplified, self-serving version of Eden. Basically, the same trick where you first see events illustrated according to the story being told, then later get the real version and the visuals change accordingly.The only reason I’m particularly suspicious is that storybook Eve shares details with older Lilith artwork, including those bangs. And Eve has otherwise been completely absent from Viv's work prior to the series, Roo however is another character (along with Lilith) who has existed conceptually since the same early period. So either that “Eve” design is deliberately borrowing from Lilith as a storytelling device, or there’s something involving Roo that we haven’t been shown yet. I don’t think we’ve actually seen what Eve looked like.
>>155501351Would you like to be my Finn? Wanna have wacky adventures while travelling across the Land of 4chan with me? https://youtu.be/xXQNdUpCQzw?si=CdzKqLJFOKmoNgLJ
>>155501065This is supposedly a Hell church (in Envy?) that worships Lucifer and Lilith
Kind of heartbreaking that Lilith is worshipped in Hell but Eve isn't liked or revered anywhere.
>>155501858I mean high chance Lilith is worshipped by proxy because she's so linked to Lucifer. If he disappeared from existence and her ass was left alone in Hell with the sins she wouldn't have that much sway. Unless Roo shenanigans.
>>155501907Guys, this is Viv's show. People obviously worship her. I wouldn't be surprised if that's who Alastor was trying to summon to begin with.
>>155501858Perhaps we simply haven't seen it yet.
>>155496956So, wait... They just randomly put that shit in there?? A reference to Eve specifically when it comes to Lute? That is such a weird thing to put in there... If they were going to do that at all, I would assume it'd be with Lilith. Interesting
>>155502416Yup it's kinda telling.
>>155502416>>155502607I don't know if it was this same outlet or Collider that said Abel is Adam's first born. Don't know how much we should trust that
>>155502646>Abel is Adam's first bornWait what?
>>155502657Check the archives. You missed a lot.
>>155502703What words and names should i put into the search bar?
How are things going Looty?
>>155502889Good, good. Busy week for me at work. I really couldn't care less about the Helluva Boss trailer outside those Lilith and Lucifer illustrations. I'm so impatient for Hazbin content. How's it going for you guys?
>>155502956You mean to say you DON'T give a shit about endless Blitzo and Stolas drama?Say it ain't so.
What are the chances of a Lilith v Eve fight scene?
>>155503351I would actually enjoy that. Usually the place I frequent for memes has people who genuinely believe Lilith will fight Sera and somehow win(Mental Retardation). Eve Vs Lilith makes more sense and would be a more even matchup. Plus would be an interesting case of warrior Vs caster.
>>155502956Just keep in mind that maybe HB will drop some other Hazbin related info. Then again if you have a friend who likes HB you can have them be on the lookout for that sort of stuff. Not everyone can handle the Stolitz slop.
>>155503426i can handle it. i grew up on melodramatic yaoi fanfic so this shit is nostalgic catnip. if i spot anything relevant i'll be sure to report back.
Hazbin in 2027 is still likely right?
>>155503516Definitely.
>>155501065why do I have the feeling that everyone minus Adam was a retard back then in Eden.
>>155503758I'm fully prepared and expecting that Adam was probably spoiled and didn't act the nicest, they're going to push that agenda of first man bad! However, it would actually be pretty cool if everyone was lying, being shady, and they were the problem, meanwhile, he was just minding his own business. I'm looking forward to either or honestly
>>155491913makes sense seeing as the theme of the show adam was right to get pissed but wrong to never let go so the extermination is a way to fuck to lucifer thats why he enjoys it so much
>>155503758Adam was definitely a retard too.
>>155503804Why and how?
>>155491913If she did she overcompensates by letting Adam fuck hundreds of random women.
>>155503799I'm going to be schizo here for a moment... But, it's implied that Lute had something to do with the idea of the exterminations based on her conversation with Sera. And then later in Sera's Confession song, in she asks how she could trust a cool and depraved justice, so given that Adam is credited with the idea, along with the implication that Lute had input AND her likeness is used to represent the Exorcists and the Exterminations as a whole, AND the fact that Sam Haft confirmed that both Adam and Lute believe in retribute of justice, safe to say, if she really is Eve, then both Adam and Eve are sticking it to Lucifer and Lilith by killing their people
>>155503758>>155503793>>155503804I'm just fully expecting everyone to be retarded in Eden honestly. Adam will probably gain rep points because instead of acting like an abusive black guy from the Boondocks (as half of this retarded fandom believes) he'll just be another dumbass in the brain-dead corner. Probably the most affected will be Lucifer and Lilith. Because she's gonna look super bad if she joins the retard corner and when people find out Lucifer didn't have a concrete or intelligent plan and somehow ruined everything through sheer stupidity they will have to give up on defending the idiot.
>>155503824i dont think so especially based on lutes and abels relationship but the show will be only 5 seasons long so maybe there is a memory loss twist or something otherwise you are left with the question of were the fuck is eve
>>155503819Don't think Lute/Eve ever slept with Lucifer though. Lute's just retarded and doesn't have the guts to tell Adam the truth that she's Eve. If she did that he'd probably stop doing it.
>>155503871Bruh.
>>155503871This has to be rage bait
>>155503848Lute/Eve x Lilith is going to become popular, I can tell.
>>155503883This
>>155495740I don't think the ability to beat the shit out of a dude proves anything outside of just outright violence. Lucifer is plenty powerful but just wants to ****Duck**** around for god's sakes. Adam is a bitch. A prideful and petty bitch living in the whitest most gated suburban afterlife community of mankind's favored. Forced to live among the worst among of the worst. Imagine just being an autist that likes rubber ducks in a town full of murderers and psychopaths that somehow does not crumble under it's own weight of sin.Lucifer is banished for the wrong reasons, but is abide to stick to his punishment for all the right reasons. Especially for sinners like Charlie who does not belong in Hell but maybe does for her own good.
>>155503928It's really the only option for Yurislop after people figure out she's Eve. Then again don't think it's gonna be that big compared to the heavy hitters. Plus it does have the element of both being tied to Adam meaning you're sometimes gonna get all three packaged together.
>>155503887>>155503913?
>>155503758Adam was the retard. it is weird Adam self insertors don't want to see how much NTR and cuckoldry he inspires.
>>155504085Bruh what?
>>155504085It's not necessarily weird, they're doing the same thing that Eve people are doing, just inserting themselves. It's a power fantasy. He's the big dick, he's the first man etc. He's the toughest guy ever. There ain't no way he's stupid or lacks intelligence, and if he beats anyone up it's because they deserve it, the exterminations aren't wrong, he's not actually a misogynist etc
>>155504085Eve was an improvement over Lilith and she stuck with him for over 10,000 years.
>>155504085I don't get the retard comment because it's Hazbin. Both him and Lucifer are complete retards and it's a Viv show. Like the most common expectation should be the two of them having retarded homoerotic shenanigans while the irrelevant women (Lilith and Eve) just chill on the sidelines doing nothing.
>>155503824>she could trust a cool and depraved justice,nitpicking but the line is 'cruel and depraved' not cool.
>>155504463But Lute's pretty cool
Charlie may not have her mother's chest, or her ass, but she did inherit her ability to suck a golf ball through a hose.
>>155504473she is but that's just not the line. >>155504490adam...
>>155504509Why would he know that?
>>155504531He watched her suck a golf ball through a hosepipe after daring her to and saying there's no way she could.
Is this it until 2027? Are we just going to get more and more schizo, hanging onto every last Jessica Vosk cock post?
>>155504744we'll be running off merch drops, praying for leaks, background info from HB if we're lucky, and maybe interviews.other then that, batten down the hatches and settle in for fanfic central.
>>155504835Hopefully we get some good fanfics
>>155504835It could be worse. The show could have already ended, badly, with a plot twist that turns the characters trans.
>>155503476I can't say I care about HB for charactisation and relationships but I love the worldbuilding and character design. Like there are so many great hellborn designs packed into every frame. Hellborn society is very Alternia, I like it
>>155505188My fav girlfailure...
>>155504463Typo!
>>155504744Yup that's what we have Looty for
>>155504556Vaggie and Him both watched with watery mouths.
Eve mention (?) in Viv's Bluesky likes?
>>155505344Interestingggggg
>>155505344say...have anyone ever replied to that post with the picture of cleaning utilities? or at least give minnie a bucket with some mop then point at the Earth?
>>155505344Charlie's going to redeem Lute/Eve
>>155505606Male hands typed this post.
>>155505624Yup. That's what the former employee said as well. Charlie's going to forgive Eve oh so graciously for all her sins. At the very least it doesn't sound like she's going to die or anything. And then after that is when we're going to get RooIf Lute really is Eve, then that kind of lines up. Assuming that season 4 is the gold season, that's when all that stuff is going to happen, and then that's the setup for season 5, which is the red season AKA Roo
What is he up to nowadays?
>>155506115Recovering.
>Jessica on my timeline getting canceled over Israelhttps://x.com/gr3yaep/status/2100231751012425820I'm surprised Palestine drama hasn't hit any of the other VAs yet. But actually having a debate with any random retard that DMs you is fucking stupid, you're a public figure, sperging on main isn't a good thing
>>155506439As someone who keeps up with all her shenanigans as as they can, (for the doc!) I got to say, Jessica is... cringe. I'm sorry but... Yeah she's pretty cringe
This show is fucking dogshit
>>155506695Cool. Why are you here?
So with all the DMS Jessica is answering lately, is anyone brave enough to ask if she can reveal who Lute is lol at this rate she might end up getting fired, and then they will have no choice but to spoil it
Would Angel Gabby and Adam get along?
>>155506717To laugh at you specially for having the taste of a early 2010s scene kid
>>155506812So instead of doing that on, gee, I don't know, some anti hazbin group on Twitter or something, you come specifically to a thread where we are actively discussing it? I mean go off. Just seems like a waste of time and a retarded ass move on your end. Whatever gets you off, guy.
>>155506774Sure why wouldn't they?
Did we ever get confirmation on this guy's sexuality?
>>155506726Where and how do i DM her? I won't ask her any of that nonsense but i do have questions in need of answering.
>>155506871I dunno, I like both of them and I like the idea of them hanging out
Why does that one guy keep replying to my stuff. I just keep seeing the filtered out posts lol
>>155506909Fair. I feel the same way with characters i like and think would be good friends. >>155506967Unblock me and we can have a good conversation.
>>155506967 they just need someone to talk to. They don't understand that some people don't want to talk to him lol
>>155507168Well how should i know who blocked me when everyone else in anonymous?
Finished this recently. I am fully aware Charlie has hooves; feet are more fun to draw, and garner more interest in the long run.
>>155507266Are you that one pedo artist
>>155507332Can you point to a work of mine that is "pedo art?"
>>155503516I'm very much of the opinion that it'll be Hazbin-Helluva every other year, and if Viv et al were smart, they'd also do Hazbin shorts as well, since people don't realise how it's been almost two years since the last full Helluva episode.
>>155490544She was constantly pregnant her entire life for some reason
>>155490711That's the best compromise I've heard yet
>>155493602lmaoIf Norm was still alive (God Rest his Soul), who would you cast him to voice act in Hazbin? Existing / potential future characters includedIf St. Peter was designed differently, I might say him
>>155496415WOOOOOH!
>>155507266hooves fits her better>>155507332? charchar is 200 or so years old
>>155508095Heh.
theory: adam will come back without his memories and will win due to everyone expecting him to act the same way when he doesn't remember anything thus acting differently and more focused on important shit rather than prove himself to some faggots that won't help him or are important, still same old adam just with different priorities.
>>155496609I do think Eve/Lute is true, I just really want to know how they're going to explain how Adam wasn't aware. If Looty or someone else answered this somewhere, pls let make me aware
>>155497130So fucking true. It's unfortunately the only interesting plot-line that they've successful set up over season 1-2. Unclear, with vague hints and compelling moments, arguably the most iconic song for season 2, etc.Who tf Roo is, what Lilith or Rosie's plans have been is just vague posting which give the illusions of complexity or depth.
>>155508382you know...perhaps due to a deal is why he couldn't find her, yes we can fetch her from Hell but you'll have to find her and figure it out on your own type of deal.Eve can't be herself in Heaven, only through a change in identity can she be upstairs.
Looty's under fire for shipping Emily and Sera
>>155508382There’s no purgatory so they opted to give Adam and Eve a ‘Hell in Heaven’ deal to split the difference. His wife is right there but he doesn’t know and she knows but can’t tell him. Also they have to kill their descendants. Tartarus type shit
>>155508642that would make their romance quite beautiful and tragic, I can't imagine the pain Lute would have felt seeing Adam missing her every single day and always looking for her.
>>155506115probably hiding and enjoying life at last.
>>155506439Jessica pls keep your mouth shut
>>155506482Yeppp, extremely cringe. Lady you're 40 something. Ignore the DMs
>>155506439What a weird fucking situation though, some random fan DMing her to lecture politics? Just because she's a celebrity doesn't mean she owes you DM current event politics time. If I were Vosk I'd just ghost this mf and unfortunately she doesn't seem to have the sensibility to do that but the fan is a fucking psycho
>>155510185The rando is an entitled sack of shit, but Jessica is a fucking idiot for entertaining it in the first place. Now she looks stupider than the person who DMd her
>>155508526Absolute dogshit taste but also I dont give a fuck. Twitter is hyper sensitive as usual.
>>155510249Maybe I'm a chud but I can't see anything that bad in her replies except for replying at all in the first place (the true cringe move).
Jessica's biggest mistake is she's too offline and she's talking to terminally online weirdos as if they've ever touched grass
>>155510261There really isn't. But this is in the internet, so, the performative politics and all that.>>155510269Basically this, to be honest.>>155510253I think compared to Lucifer and Charlie, Sera and Emily is fine. Why are they sisters but not Vagyna and Evelute?
>>155510280>Why are they sisters but not Vagyna and Evelute?Well if we are right and Vaggie is a clone or uses Lute/Eve as a template then Fallenwings is technically Mother-clonechild incest.
Someone said this shot looks more like Eve's smile than it does Lilith's...
>>155510602
>>155510602>>155510611It's Lilith. It's the 'two rebellious dreamers fell in love' scene in the storybook. This is a Hell church to Lucifer so that is a homage to his wife.
>>155510611Imagine if Lucifer appears near or at the end of Helluva Boss and solves all of the characters' problems.
>>155510611We're finally going to see all of the sins in a room together.
>>155510849>>155510843You guys think we'll get Hazbin lore? Maybe an Eve mention?
>>155510892For spoiler reasons I doubt it but we'll probably get general Hellaverse lore. An Eve mention doesn't seem too egregious so it could happen.
What are Adam’s favorite foods to overeat on?
>>155511400Ribs?
>>155510927Honestly not sure since at best we'll get some Lucifer and minor Lilith mentions and that's it. Then again those will be sparse in between the general HB stuff.
What kind of lesbian is Sera when dating other females? Warm and faux-maternal?
>>155511724Idk
>>155507332
>>155511724The kind that frets intensely about what size U-Haul she should bring with her on her second date.
>>155510843He's going to smite Blitzo for being a dirty imp that touched his precious goetia. Lucifer believes imps should know their place
>>155511876If that happens, I'll forgive Viv for doing him so dirty last season.
>>155511891He might not be able to hurt Sinners but he could maim a few of Satan's dirty imps as stress relief. Nobody would miss them.
The whole Amazon licensing issue is such a mess because by default Charlie appears not to care about the plight of the Hellborn who suffer under a system directly created by her own family, one that she could improve much more easily than the Sinners' lot. Hell Goetia are 'her people' more than Sinners ever were. Goetia are based in the Pride ring too, aren't they?
>>155511941Charlie being racist towards hellborn is honestly the perfect funny explanation. She just doesn't give a shit. They're not "real" people. Even funnier if she learned that stuff from Lilith.
In universe, there's no real reason why Charlie shouldn't sit in for Lucifer on all those Sins council meetings he keeps missing
>>155511941True. She needs to stand up for Hellborn too, or Blitzo will lead an uprising.
Charlie could have stopped the widely televised execution of Blitzo with one fucking phone call
>>155511941only Sinners are targeted for Exterminations and are constantly swelling in number due to replenishment from Earth, hence the need to offload them to Heaven. The Hellborn presumably have stable numbers.
>>155511963Lilith being both a megabitch and racist would be pretty funny NGL.
>>155511980Hellborn should just suffer then
>>155511980Hellborn are a much easier target to fix. Goetia quite literally worship Lucifer as their God and creator. Charlie could tell them, hey, fucking stop that, and they'd listen much faster than Heaven.
>>155511990Exactly. Glad you made the connection yourself.
>>155512005Charlie...
>Charlie campaigning for mass deportation of hellborn immigrants in Pride to make room for the rapidly increasing Sinner population
Hear me out. What if Blitzo WAS the final antagonist of Hazbin Hotel, demanding equal attention from Charlie for Hellborn rights? The cast of Hazbin fights the cast of Helluva in a “Civil War”.
>>155512021>"We need to Make Pride Great Again!">"We need to build a wall and make hellborn pay for it!"
>>155512025Hellborn in Pride probably fucking loved the Exterminations. Maybe some of them treated it as a Purge-style holiday and joined in.
>>155512032I always thought imps should feel some solidarity for exorcists. Their horns are like female imp horns.
>>155511982She's the creator behind several of the slurs used for lower cast hellborn.
>>155512021Charlie being a simp for only Sinners (foreign origin, badly behaved, ruining the housing market) and not Hellborn meshes super well with her bleeding-heart rich-girl-advocacy portrayal. Vivzie is way smarter than I thought, constantly discovering new layers to her work.
>>155511990Lilith...
I would put money on Blitzo having fucked an Exorcist at some point
Say it Viv, say it! Allow Lute!Eve and Roo to be complicated, sure, but please don’t let the show nor the audience forget they’re fucking evil people!
>>155512081Exorcists can probably fuck all the actual decent people in Heaven. Why would they bother with a disgusting vertically challenged imp?
Oh, and I just had a potentially good idea:> What if one of the big secret reasons agreed to the Exterminations was so he could go down to Hell and find his wife?! Never realising she was there beside him until his final moment?
>>155512094Perhaps he believed she would confront him about it? Like she'd leave her hidey hole in Hell and actually demand an audience?
>>155512093Exorcists seem to be treated like dirt in Heaven. No, they'd find love in the arms of their sleazy Hellborn counterparts, or at least an awesome one night stand. Adam gives them condoms before they go and sends them for STI testing after.
>>155512094Adam probably wouldn't agree to sic a butchering force onto a crowd he thought might contain his wife. If she actually went to hell, she would have a different form neither he nor an Exorcist would recognise until it was too late.
Does nobody else want to see Blitzo plow that cute toothgap exorcist with his redhot imp stick?
I can see Blitzo rallying Hellborn against the Sinners, with Stolas ending up the one to resolve the war. The demon of both worlds.
Anyone else hope the Douchecorp Secretary ends up in Hell and a loyal employee of IMP?
Demon Adam x Angel Lute forbidden marriage when?!
>>155508269I disagree, and want to draw her in a selection of different shoes, particularly the kind that highlight the erotic parts of the foot rather than cover.
>>155512187Like inverted AU where Adam ate the apple?
Charlie being a piece of shit racist would be an interesting direction for her character but I doubt Viv went for this. I think the in-universe reason why Charlie doesn't focus on the Hellborn is because she's ignorant at best and fucking retarded at worst.
>>155512443Probably the actual explanation. I will however cling to my fanfic that Lilith fucked off to Heaven after she had a Burger King Crown Guy moment that forced her to leave because of the PR scandal.
>>155512548That's funny as fuck.
Imagine an exorcist and imp couple who only get to meet once a year and are distraught when Exterminations are cancelled because they'll never see each other again.
>>155513953Ew no. That's like beastility
>>155514003halochasing is perfectly respectable
>>155514015No Baljeet.
What's (You)r favourite hellborn species?
>>155514056Since when are cute scalies like indians?
I would love Viv to do an infodump about Heavenborn species it's probably my single biggest wish for these shows outside of shipping crap
New official gashapons!
Surely the fact Jesica Vosk has been sperging about fucking Palestine to total strangers in her Instagram dms is evidence enough she doesn't keep her mouth shut and her indications that Lute is Eve are probably true?
>>155515297That's exactly what I've been thinking.
>>155515297Let's just hope she doesn't sperg too hard. I still want her voicing Lute.
>>155515297>>155515309If true then how do these people get hired in the first place?
>>155515297>>155515309>>155515335Guys, admittedly I'm a little nervous because if she continues making a fool out of herself, it's entirely possible that she could get fired and then they'd have to change the story... I mean, I don't know the logistics of that, I don't know if that would be possible, but I'm sure Daddy Amazon can make anything happen. Realistically, in any other instance, how would that work? Like if a series is ongoing, a cartoon mind you, and the VA fucks up somehow, would they just replace the actor or would they actually change the story? Only example I can think of is the guy from Rick and Morty...
>>155515359Relax, she hasn't actually said anything bad, she gave the most milquetoast 'I want everyone to be happy' stance ever, it's just not extreme enough for some people.
>>155512094>>155512102>>155512116adam probably can sense her due to eve being his rib, but then again he would have sensed lute.perhaps he had the means to find her and he did ironically...
>>155515359Usually the VA only gets replaced. Story changes don't usually happen unless too much is revealed and/or if the VA can't get replaced on time. The former only really happens if the creator and/or company wants it and if too much wasn't spent on creating the story already. The later is kind of common i suppose but honestly the only example i can think of is Glossaryck from Star Vs. Really i think it depends on how episodic or serialized the show is.
>>155515359Even if that's the case they wouldn't change the story they would just have someone else replace her with an added in universe excuse for the voice change(some psycho screaming shit till the voice change).
>>155515435Got it!
I bet at this point Viv is so used to being cancelled she's not going to pursue anything on anything else (especially something as nothing as this) without a personal grudge backing it up.
>>155515425Honestly I think he presumed if Eve ran into an exterminator she would say she's his wife to save her skin and then they could alert him to check the validity. Wonder if a couple of sinners tried that only to die brutally.
Jeremy Jordan has also done something with Zionist connotations allegedly so if Vosk is going so will he.
>>155515486Yeah, but Jeremy voices Lucifer. You know, Lucifer? The twink of the show... I feel like people would excuse him more. Lute has few genuine fans, the rest are larpers and even more than that are people who hate her. The haters outnumber the larpers. Of course they're going to find any chance to hate on her some more and possibly cancel both the VA and the character. They're not going to do that with Lucifer lol
>>155515519Jeremy Jordan participated in an actual Israeli propaganda video organized by a Palestine genocide denier. Jessica Vosk just said some cringe on Instagram that amounted to "I think both sides are hurting and I am still learning about it"
>>155515551Wait so the IDF Hazbin memes were actually accurate for Lucifer? Damn.
>>155515551Yup. Exactly
I just don't think Viv and crew are gonna care about this. It's so nothing
>>155515685Ah yes just "friend" activities.
Regardless, this is a good indicator that, as some of us have been saying, Jessica cannot keep her mouth closed. The things she says are genuine and authentic. But yeah totally, her directly commenting on the Lute being Eve, twice, theory is her straight up line. It just sucks because this theory is already viewed so unfavorably by a lot of the fandom, and now, with this stupid shit floating around, people are inevitably going to add it to their arsenal of reasons to shit on the reveal.
>>155515717People will hate anything for any reason, don't sweat it. If not this they would have found other reasons
>>155515717>this theory is already viewed so unfavorably by a lot of the fandom, and now, with this stupid shit floating around, people are inevitably going to add it to their arsenal of reasons to shit on the reveal.Don't see as to why. They don't need any extra out of show reasons to shit on it since they can always larp up new excuses. Fundamentally they hate it because it breaks their headcanon/ship/preconceived notion of the show. What's insane is how many diverse groups and communities of the fandom it will simultaneously piss off. I personally know some Lucifer fans who will be angry at this exact reveal for the most insane reasons ever. I swear it you dig hard enough you'll find a group in the Hazbin fandom that will be displeased by this reveal.
>>155515762>I personally know some Lucifer fans who will be angry at this exact reveal for the most insane reasons ever.Share?
>>155515797They're the bunch that actually think he's a badass demon who will wreck Heaven's higher ups in S3 in some "le epic" anime fight. I presume they're gonna shit their pants when he turns into short Stolas in S3 and they find out their Gigachad devil didn't actually sleep with Eve and the she actually hates him. Of course that will be after he's infantilized the whole season and after much RA slop. Kinda of a tip of the iceberg situation.
>>155512081>>155512093ew
>>155515858Looool they're in for a rude awakening.
>>155514003Agreed.
>>155515935I guess they're hoping S2 Lucifer was an exception and not actually the direction he's heading towards. But knowing from his VA interview that he's gonna do a lot of crying S3 yeah they're building themselves up for disappointment. Still deserved though.
Looking forward to when Lute!Eve is officially revealed and we no longer have to sift through the inane world of Jessica Vosk for clues.
>>155515976To be honest.... I mean, it's very obvious that Lucifer has been like this since his debut?? People who say he acted differently in season one.. I don't see it
>>155515984I love the fact that she literally spoiled the reveal two years ago, almost explicitly, but nobody gives a shit.
>>155516002Hazbin fans subscribe to the philosophy that women must be seen and not heard. Jokes aside yeah I wonder if we didn't get the retarded "leaks" more people would have noticed or analysed Lute=Eve. It definitely might have been a first come first serve when it comes to gaining a foothold in the fandom.
>>155516039Gotta be polite.
>>155515985I guess they held on to hope but if you don't ignore Viv's likes and writing patterns you're gonna be aware of the direction he's heading. Like cmon. He's her uwu soft luvable Yaoi twink. Wtf were you expecting?
>>155516074Jake wtf does that mean?
>>155512109> Exorcists seem to be treated like dirt in Heaven. … are they? Not sure I’ve seen any indication of that thus far, mainly cuz like most plot devices, they only show up when the story requires them lol
>>155516410It's the implication. They are not seen anywhere in Heaven, which give it off the impression they are not allowed anywhere else. Lute would get special access because she is the lieutenant. Vaggie is our look-see into the Exorcist world. We can at least say that they were treated like crap within the army by their abusers. I think what also gives this impression is that nobody recognizes her, nobody asks about her well-being, which she would at least expect from Emily. Vaggie does not recount her experience during the courtroom, I guess not that it's very relevant, but still, you would assume she'd say something about Adam and Lute's behavior, which makes it seem like they are very overlooked. The way Sera treats Lute is a big red flag as well, so people took it to assume this applies to all the Exorcists.
>>155516484>>155516410Oh, and just by proxy... Sera obviously knows about the army, and the implication is quite severe that she looks the other way, allowing Adam and Lute to do whatever, so long as it gets the job done, which means she doesn't care for the abuse they enact on the girls. That's the other big thing.
One more thing... Even visually, the soldiers stand out, they don't really fit into the environment. They are very clearly, at least visually, other. Sam Haft has said that Lute embodies Heaven's worst qualities, the extreme view. By extension this also includes the soldiers. Heaven doesn't claim them like that. They're not proud of them like that. So it's not a far -fetch assumption to say that they are ostracized within the community
I think after the reveal we'll see abunch of people who never thought about the theory before and were never invested in Guitarspear before suddenly become interested in them and make content. That's what will make up for the people who lose interest.
>>155516566History repeats itself. Right now it's full of the larpers and haters of XYZ character. Once new things are revealed, the old will leave, some will like the direction the story is going, and then we'll get a wave of new people. At least until they get too invested in their version, and then same thing. Rinse and repeat. It was done with Alastor, Lucifer, Charlie, etc. and it will continue to happen.
>>155516589It's like the huge influx of Radiostatic after Season 2.
>>155516606You think GuitarSpear(possibly RibRock) might get a new influx of people post reveal that might be more on the obnoxious side? Like I'm definitely expecting some bad apples joining in.
>>155516638There will be annoying people. There's annoying people now. At the same time het fanbases are rarely as insane as yaoi fanbases, except in fanbases for children's media, for some reason.
>>155516638Oh, 100%. Because from this, assuming any of this is true, we're going to get the Eve larpers and maybe the people who previously hated Lute, or victimized her to a severe extent, are going to use the Eve thing to reinforce their points. We might also get people who unironically will say that Adam and Eve is inherently incest and unhealthy. We might also get people who will never quite let Eve go, and insist or portray Lute and Eve as part of the same soul or twin sisters or something. Though, the last part is just fanfiction AU stuff
>>155516638Adam turbo glazers will love it and double down on gigachad Adam nonsense.
If you thought the edgy 'Adam did nothing wrong' crowd is loud now they're going to get louder and advocate for an ending where Lute/Eve kills everyone and resurrects Adam.
>>155516696You're going to have the deniers and larpers, such as myself a little bit, who will say that they want Eve to get over. Adam. At least I would be fully on board with that... If they portrayed Adam as hating Eve or something, but clearly that's not the case.
>>155516684Eh at least it's understandable from those guys. They haven't changed their tune and are sticking to it. Plus it would be their first win like in the entire show's existence. I'm more talking about new people jumping ship and bringing some new weird baggage with them.
>>155516696I mean funny enough more people might be ok with Exterminations since Eve's doing it. For some it only becomes ok if Eve's at the helm which post reveal might be the case(it's probably her idea at least).
I don't get why people want an additional Eve character to pop out of nowhere, look exactly like Lilith, presumably act exactly like her as well, except wanting revenge for Lucifer and Lilith ruining her life when Lute is literally doing all that already. But more importantly, I'd have to wonder why. Eve would pop out of nowhere and enact her revenge NOW.
>>155516702>You're going to have the deniers and larpers, such as myself a little bit, who will say that they want Eve to get over. AdamYou technically already have that. Just replace Eve with her new name Lute. I guess they will be more vocal and maybe have more support now from some of the butt hurt communities following the reveal. Then again GuitarSpear/RibRock might have more sway/legitimacy because it's Adam and Eve (plus some extra manpower from Flowertunes refugees) to the extent where the Larpers get fucked.
>>155516734Yea, the 'Adam Agenda' people stand to gain the most from it besides us schizos. That's hilarious subset of the fandom if you've never delved into that rabbit hole. It's like Dragonball powerscaling guys but Hazbin.
>>155516484> They are not seen anywhere in Heaven, which give it off the impression they are not allowed anywhere else.Ehhh, that’s a bit of a leap, isn’t it? The most likely reason they probably don’t show up in heaven is because their relevance to the show is only when they’re attacking/about to attack Hell. Not every peculiar writing or art decision is always deliberate, is all I’m saying.Just don’t see Jim Crow being a thing in Heaven, is all I’m saying.> How Sera treats Lute.Oh, okay yeah, for the sake of everyone’s sanity because I’m sure no one wants to tread over this minefield again, lemme just say… no, don’t agree, I’ve made my position clear multiple times on that in the past and we’ll leave it at that.
>>155516769Funny enough even disregarding Lilith clone Eve and Eve wanting revenge on the Morningstars as concepts just having Eve( a pretty important character) just randomly pop out without any build-up near the end of the show is dog shit writing. Even if she's the classic Flowertunes dumbass who spends every minute glazing the Morningstars what's the point? Why bother making that character? It literally adds nothing.
>>155516830>Ehhh, that’s a bit of a leap, isn’t it?Well, no because we literally don't see them out and about. The only one we see is Lute when she's with Adam.>no, don’t agreeIt's not a matter of debate. It's objective fact. Whether you like it or not is a different discussion.
>>155516838The funnier thing is that.. She's literally right there. Lute Is Is doing all that leg work. She hates the morningstars, each one respectively, she's wanting revenge, she loves Adam, and she's established to get significant buildup... Yet people want Eve to get NO buildup. Lol It makes no sense.
>>155515717I suppose you gotta give it to Vox, she’s a straight from the horses mouth kinda chick. She doesn’t bullshit or, simply, can’t and doesn’t keep her cards close.
>>155516799Which is funny when you consider none of them are aware of this or Lute=Eve in general. Like it's genuinely gonna suprise them. It will be like a sign from God for them (God being Viv in this case).
>>155516872>Yet people want Eve to get NO buildup. Lol It makes no sense.In the words of an old man "But the people are retarded."
>>155516876Let's hope she doesn't try playing poker (I'm joking).
>>155516880I've come across a couple posts from that community saying they'd seen the theory and would like it to be true but I don't think they dig deep.
>>155516855Yeah, cuz she’s an actual character who is relevant to the story. The rest of the exorcists outside of Lute and Vagi are just plot devices at this point. Sometimes it can be just that straightforward of a writing or art direction decision. I could be wrong, but right now… eh, no reason to assume there’s some angelic apartheid going on.> It’s an objective fact.Eh, respectfully disagree but I respect your viewpoint.
>>155516996>respectfully disagree but I respect your viewpoint.I'm not asking whether you agree or not LOL. It's fact. That's like saying Lucifer creating Goetia and you going "I don't agree". There's nothing to disagree on.
>>155516939Arguably, there's not a lot to dig into. I keep saying the same thing over and over again, but Jessica already spoiled it and then said that she's not who we think she is. Done. It's over lol
>>155517191Nah, it worse than over. It’s Joever!Also, just gotta ask this, the whole kerfuffle with Vosk on X… what did she say that was so controversial again? Did she try and ‘both sides’ it, or was it more her attitude? I’m not trying to minimise or anything, I’m just too lazy to swim through X.
>>155517330>Did she try and ‘both sides’ it, or was it more her attitude?Both. But the attitude was her painting herself as important. I do agree she sounds dumb but like .. people are wayyy too comfortable trying to dig into public figures opinions like this lolShe's an idiot though, for messaging these idiots back.
>>155517362Oh okay.So… this a big deal or likely a storm in a cup? I’m leaning the latter.
>>155517444Nah, another anon pointed out Jeremy Jordan's done worse apparently. It'll blow over soon.
>>155517362agreed though, as they say, you don’t gotta respond to Every DM. She needs a social media manager or Something
I want to DM Jessica Vosk and ask Lute stuff. I didn't know she answered her messages like that.
I'm tired of analyzing Jessica Vosk. I don't care what she does. I only care about her work in voicing Lute. She doesn't even write Lute.
>>155517520She doesn't write but she clearly knows shit about her
>>155517493I bet if you appealed to her ego you could get her to order you a pizza but only if you're a girlboss or pretend to be a girlboss.
I saw Jessica Vosk at a grocery store in New York yesterday. I told her how cool it was to meet her in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother her and ask her for photos or anything.She said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but she kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing her hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard her chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw her trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in her hands without paying.The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Ma'am, you need to pay for those first.” At first she kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.When the girl took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, she stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After the girl scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, she kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
>>155517631Bullshit
Jessica Vosk killed my dog.
>>155517631>This Really Happened
>>155517673Cmon dude this pasta is old as balls.
>>155517684And by dog I mean my penis
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