>>155535456
Same reason why thinking the Earth is flat is controversial: It's wrong.

>>155536472
Prove it.

It diminished both characters as little more than a played out romantic cliche done better a million times prior. And the fangirls were annoying. Naruto/Sakura annoying.

>>155535456
Because it makes no sense. Every time they were teased about being in a relationship they reacted with absolute disgust.

>>155535456
Because it was racist

>>155535456
Because action shows shouldnt focus in romance and should avoid romantic drama as much as possible.

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>>155535456
The people weren't ready

>>155535456
It wasn't. Extremely cliche, boring, and tropey, but not controversial.

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>>155535456
When I did a tally finger a pole thing most people voted Azula to be shipped with Zuko.

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>>155537144
I'm sorry for the wrong image.

>>155537160
>I voted for Ty Lee [to be with Azula] and I am OP
OP being a fag as per

>>155537054
people on social media used to call it a colonizing fetish unironically

>>155535456
>>155537368
>>155537054
Which combination would be considered racist and which would not: a pioneer teenage boy with a teenage Native American girl, or a teenage Native American boy with a pioneer teenage girl? To cover all scenarios, consider a teenage girl who is Native American and girl pioneer and teenage boys pioneer and Native American , as well as interactions between Native Americans and pioneers during the early times when no one other than the Native Americans had much claim to any territory.

>>155535456
Because zuko and may had the perfect relationship and if your mature enough you will understand may was the best girl in the whole series. She was loyal to a fault, fought back for all the right things and was generally the most reasonable, calm person in the show who made zuko a better man.

Zutara is for mental children.

>>155535456
after zuko betrayed katara trust in the caves this ship was dead.
the woman that defend this pairing after that just love abuse and its no wonder the overlap between this slop and reylo

>>155535456
Because the fanbase for it was obnoxious as shit. That's the honest truth.

>>155535456
'annoying' is not the same as 'controversial'

>>155538094
anyone remember harmione

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>>155538028
>Calling anyone mental children when we're discussing a show for 8 year olds.

>>155535456
It's not the ship itself that was controversial, it's the insane people insisting that it's the One True Ship and that the show itself wasn't canon.

>>155535456
Because it's ass.

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>>155535456
>still lives rent free in Bryke's heads.

>>155535456
it really wasnt?

>>155538967
My nigga thinks it just about the element

>>155538967
Go back to your containment thread aishitter.

>>155536492
Take a poop in front of us!

Wow lots of people really like Mai and Zuko, that's surprising

>>155535456
Hell no.

>>155541976
I'm a Zuko/Ty Lee truther personally

>>155541394
saar

>>155535456
Because it's popular with girls and fanboys always feel threatened when girls like something. See the hate Twilight and Justin Bieber used to get on the internet. Also it breaks the illusion that women want nice guys. Like cartoons are a boys clubs, men are used to see the nice guy to get the girl just because he's nice

>>155535456
It was the most popular ship

>>155536529
No, the people writing the idea did because they're shit at writing. The concept itself is not evil, you're reacting to shipping culture and baited on by the actions of the writers, behavior that should have clued everyone in on the idea that they're kind of hacks who only got lucky because of the people around them.

1. They weren't gonna let poor Katara get away unpaired. She should have gotten to graduate the series single and with the understanding that she doesn't have to be anyone's mother.

2. Aang was bald and his voice actor had a kid's voice. This made him look like a giant baby and was gross. Katara and Zuko looked and sounded like adults. I think this is the biggest factor because if Aang looked like an attractive adult then it would just be a regular shipping war.

>>155537025
what other time did that happen outside of the Ember Island episode though? which isnt the best example come to think of it since it's the same episode after katara pushed aang away for trying to force himself into her.
i recall the new movie but that shit retcons so much previous established lore one might take it as an AU

>>155535456
It really wasnt.

>>155535456
It was the most popular pairing, and it should've happened. It makes so much more sense for the story. Aang x Katara added nothing to the characters, story, or broader themes. There's a reason why Zuko x Katara was the original plan. Don't let Bryke gaslight you.

>>155544062
This is why Zutara is so hated and I don't even care about about katara and aang. People shoving zutara down everyone's throats every time avatar came up made it fucking annoying to deal with. It's also pretty shallow and for characters that young I would have preferred no one get together except maybe sokka and suki.

>>155535456
The fire lord shouldn't race mix with a brown peasant.

>>155536529
Fans loved it but the male writers hated it because it went against their weird fetish for older women

>>155535456
because it's literally the pairing for the female fanbase that wants to fuck Zuko, so they project themselves onto Katara because she's a main character.

>>155538967
is that fucking natsu from fairy tail

>>155544305
t.azula

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>>155544757
Haha how absurd

>>155538198
But it was written by adults

>>155542081
>breaks the illusion that women want nice guys
Don't men usually complain about girls going for the bad guys, otherwise yeah part of it is a gender war thing

>>155544062
>>155544298
But how would Aang's crush get addressed, that was also built up throughout the show. They killed Jet for Aang bro

>>155544772
>>155537144
Even then, Azula was more of a daddy's girl, she'd probably want Zuko if he was more like Ozai which is why she's some kind of rebel trying to challenge his authority now

>>155544851
>They killed Jet for Aang bro
Do you really believe that? Jet didn’t need to be removed like that for Kataang to happen, Katara already moved on from Jet.

>>155544926
No I thought it'd be funny to say, Jet's arc was pretty tragic. If they didn't want to kill him, Hakoda would've been a great mentor, since he wanted to be a freedom fighter.

>>155543059
It also happened when June teased them about it

>>155542282
That’s probably a big reason why they made Aang “hot” in the recent movie

>>155536529
>It diminished both characters as little more than a played out romantic cliche done better a million times prior
Obviously this is not it, since the same applies to Aang and Katara.

>>155537160
>Most people.
>7
Lmao anon.

>>155542282
>>155545076
This is another reason why this ship is hated, half the arguments for it (and against Kataang) rely heavily on projecting the viewer’s shallowness onto Katara

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>>155538055
I feel like Zutara could've happened had Zuko sided with Katara in Crossroads of Destiny (she was about throw away the spirit water to heal his scar after all).
Jinko is superior though.

>>155535456
It's the ultimate race traitor ship
>sure this nation was responsible for your mother's death and the suffering of thousands of your kin but surely you're willing to look past all of that for the scarred pretty boy that actively tried to kill you in their name at one point right?
Funnily enough fujos do nothing but prove the classic combo of women stereotypes about their views on bald and short dudes right by still being cunthurt over it not happening, if Aang was taller and had a pronounced emo cut literally no salty zutara cuckqueans would exist today

>>155546303
Aang being shown as a tall hot adult in the recent movie did nothing to change how the Zutara fanbase sees Aang.

>>155546395
>tall hot adult i
Anon... he's bald

>>155535456
because it makes about as much sense as Azula and Sokka

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>>155535456
The fire/water slot was already taken

>>155540210
Rent free luddite.

>>155548872
Like i said before, go back to your containment thread. Ai shitters are more cancerous than fans of the horse show.

>>155542282
Aang was literally a child. Katara meanwhile had already been established as a slutty teen girl who liked older boys (like Zuko.)

>>155549751
Temporary problem, that didn’t mean anything once Aang grew up

>>155549886
Aang still has the mentality of a 12 year old boy

>>155544373
No, it's Yuji from JJK.

>>155535456
The ship makes no sense in context and only appeals to a tiny niche of degenerates who just want to see their favorite characters fuck and only fuck and not have any other traits outside of fucking. You know all that shit that made you like the character? Well, quite literally, FUCK THAT.

Why does Bryke hate this ship so much?

>>155547360
>that post
this artist does zutara as well
in fact that's probably the case of most women who are into sokkla, it's esentially a palette swap of zutara

>>155535456
Because Aang and Katara were clearly meant to be an item from the very beginning.
Zutara was born from the same breed of fanfic writers that take a one dimension character like Draco Malfoy and make him the center of the universe.

>>155551022
Are you suggesting that Zuko is a one dimensional character?

>>155548959
Not true at all, remember that at least the horse show got the genocides, luddites are still not exinct unfortunately.

>>155551444
>the horse show got the genocides
...what?

>>155551444
Imagine how better the world would be if every single aishitter had been aborted. You morons have an imperious need to spam your shit everywhere, just like bronies did.

>>155551549
the world never cared about snailcats like you, jeez.

>>155550790
Genuinely I dont get why Bryke are so terrified of Zutara citing a 'lack of development' but then keep pushing LGBTQ slop like Korrasami which are two characters that barely interacted with each other

>>155550910
At least Artcraawl's smut is pretty good

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I think the problem came from the fact that the creator definitely didn't like/have plans to make it happen but still acknowledge and even bait the shippers to thinking it could happen, particularly with the end of season 2. It wouldn't have ballooned to be as big as it was if they properly shut it down in the middle of season 2 instead like having it be clear Zuko has a crush on Mai.

>>155538967
>>155544062
>>155550790
>>155552844
>Not to say that Zuko didn't mean something to her, and vice-versa, and that they, you know, they learned a lot from each other. Much like life, you know, you-you have relationships with different people and they-they teach you different things, and it-just because you're not gonna spend your whole life with someone doesn't mean that you didn't grow with them or learn from them as a [In a hushed tone.] as a lover. [Mike chuckles.] So there you have it, that's our feeling on the issue. -Bryan Konietzko

He was a villian for a good while.

>>155546395

Shows over 20 years old, the movie needed to be fucking amazing and become a defining piece of the franchise to have an impact, of course it will do very little to change the tastes that are founded in the original series.

ZUTAROOOOOS!
KATASURAAAAA!

>>155554849
Dont you dare post the greentext

>>155535456
It wasnt. The 'creators' just gave it a lot of shit back in the day because they're a bunch of manchildren.

>>155556101
>The 'creators' just gave it a lot of shit back in the day
Good
>because they're a bunch of manchildren.
Where do you think we are?

>aang is the literal savior of the world and a virile young man
>entire purpose after the firelord shit is to regrow the air bender population
>somehow doesn't end up with 10+ wives and 200+ kids with random women all over the world
this was korra's biggest failing

>>155536472
This
We ship Watercest on this household which is the canonical pairing

>>155556101
They spent their own money to create a 5 minute video mocking Zutara fan artists and shippers back in 2008. They even called Zutarans femcels basically

>>155554133
Mike and Bryan have zero storytelling instincts.

>>155558504
Kataang is just self insert bullshit. Even as a teen boy I thought it was weird

>>155535456
It wasn't just a ship. For some reason, the creators hated on it.

AangXKatara was just so bad it makes anything else look decent

>>155558530
They repeatedly stated it was wish fulfillment

>>155558552
Yeah but there's nothing wrong about that. Let people use their imagination.

>>155558552
they're projecting

>>155538967
That's still not SasuSaku

>>155558646
Kataang was basically narusaku

>>155558670
Exactly

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>>155544831
all cartoons are written by adults (except that Dexter's Lab episode that was written by an actual kid)

Aang's love for Katara was obviously one-sided for a very long time and it took Katara to be a astrology-believing retard to even think about Aang as a potential romantic interest. With how Aang was supposed to let go of earthly attachments with the guru to accomplish his destiny, it would make sense that he would let go of Katara and she would eventually get close to Zuko over their shared trauma.

But, and this reminds me of the Violet/Louis debate in TWD Telltale, many people just go "oh yeah the girl should be with the funny one" and don't think a second more about it.

>>155558809
Zuko betrayed her and almost killed Aang as a result

>>155535456
>Aang and Katara build a real relationship over the course of 3 seasons
>Zuko swoops in at the last second and steals Aang's girl out from under him by being a broken anti-villain

It would've been a thematic hiccup the show didn't need, plus cuck shit didn't become prevalent until after 2012.

>>155558839
Katara and Jet were making out after talking for like 10 minutes. Same would happen with Zuko. Guys really don’t understand how women work

>>155558839
Shhhhhhh don’t point that out!

>>155558847
This, women decide if they like you in the first 3 seconds they look at you, your "personality" only matters after in the sense that even if you're Chad, you shouldn't be a complete hopeless sperg telling her "Can I sniff your panties onee-chan?" if you want to keep her around.

>>155558809
>With how Aang was supposed to let go of earthly attachments with the guru to accomplish his destiny, it would make sense that he would let go of Katara
This subplot never made any sense teebeehaytch. We already did this whole "Aang lets his attachments rule over him" routine earlier that season with Appa. Aang went way more off the rails there than anything that happens with Katara, and yet nobody expects him to 'let go' of Appa when all's said and done. (Probably because Appa isn't standing in the way of a terrible self-insert ship)

>>155559115
Appa was a completely different situation, and it wasn't Aang's feelings that mattered there, it was that Appa was useful and needed to be there to help everyone, the guru is not telling Aang to leave Katara at the south pole and go on without her, just to let go of his feelings. Anyway, this is just symptomatic of the same issue as the lion turtle at the end, characters in the show are being sensible and tell Aang that he has to do X that comes at a personal cost to him, he goes "nuh uh" and gets his way in the end, learning nothing.

>>155559137
No the show pretty clearly frames Appa as an emotional attachment which causes Aang to act irrational and selfish, that's why Aang chooses to shut him (and Katara) out completely in Serpent's Pass. We've already been shown that Aang denying his emotions is just substituting one extreme for another and ultimately unhealthy for him. The show pretty unambigiously extols the virtue of companionship/love throughout the show, Iroh pretty plainly spells it out for the audience in the episode following the Guru.

>>155558847
Exactly, I don’t blame Aang in the moments he was insecure about Katara

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>>155535456
Suki is better

>>155559202
like when he lashed out and tried to force himself into Katara after watching the ember island players?

>>155559231
The kiss not so much but the argument beforehand yes. Katara didn’t really try to disprove it, or even have a negative reaction, when the actors called Aang Katara’s little brother, obviously that’s a red flag for Aang.

>>155553938
>>155547360
it's really more of a hit or miss. her stuff with zutara is mostly lovely dovey breeding sex but with sokkla she's usually portraying azula as a dominatrix.
hell, she's even drawn azula pegging sokka

>>155559258
This, Aang might've handled it poorly but he's not exactly wrong for wanting more clarification from Katara on where they stand relationship-wise.

>>155535456
The pairing isn't controversial
It's fans are.

>>155535456
Zutara gets memed on but it's not surprising that people liked shipping the motherly figure with mommy issues with the Angsty Emo with mommy issues.

>>155559258
>Katara didn’t really try to disprove it, or even have a negative reaction
I dont think that's accurate, she seemed disgusted/uncomfortable at best and given how the rest of the play portrayed their adventures, it's like chimping out because of a robot chicken skid
i think that scene is just portraying that aang like anyone else, can have their insecurities as a partner, you're not supossed to root for what he did.

>>155559352
I guess but if he hadn’t kissed her then she wouldn’t have known how badly Aang wants her. Katara never would’ve made the first move on her own, it was Aang who had to be the one to take initiative.

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>>155535456
Because there's not enough of a foundation for it, neither of them have even shown a romantic interest in one another. The people pushing it have an unrealistic expectation of a fairy tale romance blooming between two people just because they have a more serious personality and share a similar traumatic past with their mother. Fact of the matter is they barely even know one another, and spend most of the narrative being enemies, not to mention Zuko has even betrayed Katara's trust for his own gain, whereas Aang has spent most of it supporting Katara. When you really think about, there's really only just enough information shared between the two to at least make them friends, not so much lovers.

Plus this shipping is also carried by them both being attractive characters too, you think this logic about having something in common is guaranteed to spark love for you irl if the other person was some fat dork? lol

>>155536529
>It diminished both characters as little more than a played out romantic cliche done better a million times prior.
yeah the problem was the kids show didn't invent a new kind of fictional romance archetype. Same reason why no story with a hero's journey has ever been popular.

>>155559382
didnt she already know aang liked her since they've kissed just before the eclipse?
I think this is just the parallel of the time Zuko was throwing a guy that was just talking to Mai across the room when they werent already a pairing which resulted on her being mad at him only for them to get together off-screen.
the pairings in Avatar are just.. not very well-written.

>>155559204
This but unironically

>>155536529
The final episode already diminished all the characters except Zuko, why not complete the job

>>155559457
katara defeating azula was cool though

>>155544307
>older women
Wut? Katara is biologically two years older than Aang (and Aang is chronologically almost 100 years older than her). You frame this like she's in her 40s, lol

>>155559669
incel posters think any man attracted to a woman his age or older is an insane mommy fetishist

Aang looks like a little kid and despite his wiseness, is kind of immature since he's 12 and all.
This show's female audience projects themselves onto Katara, and Zuko is a super cool, hot, brooding bad boy with a sad backstory and the female fans think they should have had a forbidden-love and trauma-bond type of chemistry together.

It wouldn't be as bad if Aang was attractive. A lot of women would still be butthurt, but you wouldn't have them wringing their hands at the creators for actual decades and accusing them of being misogynistic beasts over it at least.

>>155544851
>But how would Aang's crush get addressed
He unironically should've let her go to unlock his last chakra or whatever that was. It always seemed to me that Aang's whole arc was centered around learning not to run away from responsibility once it got inconvenient. That's why that lion turtle shit felt like a cop out.

>>155560094
>and accusing them of being misogynistic beasts over it at least.
Wait do they really do that?

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>>155560094
People age of course

>>155560165
lol bald

>>155560189
Hair can rebuild, Zach

>>155560189
Doesn't Aang just shave it off?

The adherents to it were completely deranged and flooded every Avatar online community with cringe-inducing fanarts and psychotic rants.

If you were not alive in the late 00s you wouldn't get it.

Zutara itself? Nothing really, just another ship in a sea of ships. Zutarans, the people obsessed with the pairing? They were like a forerunner of insane, unhinged fandoms of the '10s.

>>155560226
>>155560241
Zutarans mind

>>155560226
>If you were not alive in the late 00s you wouldn't get it.
If you were born in 2010 or afterwards, you technically shouldn't be on this site

>>155535456
Shipping is a mental illness that people inflict on themselves.

>>155535456
>sorry about killing your mom
it would never work

>>155560279
So people born in 2007 or as late as August 2008 can count ATLA as part of their childhood? I strongly doubt that, and that's the point being made here.

>>155560241
>>155560226
enough is enough

>>155537206
Those who pair Azula with George the Curious are really shitty people and deserve the worst.

>>155535456
Why are atlafags so desperate to repeat the same topics over and over again

>>155541976
if by lots you mean the 2-3 maifags who samefag/ritualpost then sure

>>155535456
A big component was the absolute certainty of the Zutarans. It's one thing to say "I like this ship" it's another to refuse to believe the show might not go in a different direction. Made more glaring because Zuko started off hunting Katara around the world, then briefly showed vulnerability only to immediately betray her, nearly getting Aang killed in the process.
If you were still going "not only do I like this ship but it's the only possible endgame" at that point, you were just delusional.

>>155562876
there's nothing else to talk about

>>155562974
>It's one thing to say "I like this ship" it's another to refuse to believe the show might not go in a different direction.
That’s pretty much all shippers. Some might cope but deep down they all want it to be canon. Otherwise they wouldn’t see evidence in everything.

>>155563099
You mean just like this one topic that's been done to death, as nothing new is present, with none of the previous talking points swaying people from their positions? This exact thread was posted before but atlafags are all varying degrees of retarded, you guys just keep taking the bait

>>155563116
this is also true with ships that become cannon. the only difference is they get to claim vaildation for denying the existence of the opposition in hindsight when in reality most times there was never a set option because that's not how these things usually go. these cartoon writers rooms arent like manga where there is only one author who gets to decide these things.

>>155563495
i think that applies to this whole board as a whole
people here are extremely gullible

>>155563715
You're not wrong.... i want to think /co/ has always had gullible retards but covid really did a number on this place.

>>155560165
Is this really supossed to be Aang?
What happened to his face? Did they really have to go with a generic chad looking face instead of what he really looks like?

>>155565720
It’s still leagues better than his face in Korra, which was basically just one of the showrunner’s faces (can’t remember which one.)

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>tfw the NATLA writers understand the characters far better than Bryke

>>155565882
Based.

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>>155544307
I remember in a con when michael asked who should katara end up with and everyone told him zuko, he straight up malded as if he had been cucked.
I think it was 2006 or 2007, I was a kid back then so the details are a bit muddy.

>>155565740
>which was basically just one of the showrunner’s faces
it was definitely mike's given the shitty beard they gave aang.
dont get me wrong, i still think his movie design facially wise doesnt look at all like aang but it's definitely an improvement over the fugly design they gave him on korra

>>155537160
>Ozai
Based

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>>155567717
>>155566807
>>155565740

>>155568268
it's so funny that he told on himself like this

>>155559669
It's sad that people that watch kids shows don't remember what it was like to be a kid

>>155563116
>That’s pretty much all shippers.
Look I wanted Finnceline, I didn't make a step-by-step powerpoint of why it was absolutely canon.

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>>155535456
>fire nation kills kataras mother
>fie nation completely wipes every single bender from her entire tribe
>due to that, at the start of the series, she and sokka are so divorced from her own culture that sokka calls her waterbending magic
>this gives her something in common with aang btw, they're both the last of their respective races
>the fire nation also forces her dad to abandon her and go to war, meaning she never gets a proper family life
>the only time she ever meets another southern waterbender, the person in question has been warped by years of torture
>as a result, the only true southern water bending heritage katara will ever recieve in her entire life is a demonic, cruel bending that was only created because of the fire nation
>people think katara likes bad boys like jet but she only liked him because he fucking hated the fire nation
>she only stopped liking him because surprise surprise, the woman who had her village raided and people genocided didn't like it when he went after woman and children
>in a similar vein, she only was willing to show Zuko kindness in the cave because he stated that the fire nation took away his mother too so she thought he was a race traitor and thus gained her trust
>as a direct result of trusting a fire bender even once aang gets fucking killed which almost erases the avatar cycle as a whole and he was only saved because of magic spirit water
>btw she only got the magic spirit water after watching a fire bender kill the literal spirit of her people and culture, which resulted in the death of a young water tribe princess who wasn't even an adult yet
>all of this was recent for katara in the context of the series, took place over 1 year so all these events are fresh in her mind
>despite all this, people want her to be with the prince of the fire nation, become the princess of it, and eventually pop out fire bending babies all while dealing with fire nation on a regular basis

Zutara shippers hate Katara.

>>155535456
bit unrelated but does anyone have the edit of this picture where zuko is groping katara's ass