Who has the better ideology?
America goku and supes have the same ideology. Japanese goku's ideology is inferior.
>>155559523does Goku even have an ideology
>>155559603He likes to fight powerful opponents for the pleasure of fighting. He fights to fight. It's selfish and hedonistic.
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>>155559523me
>>155559603Dragonball Goku kinda did. Beat up the bad guys because they do bad things. Dragonball Z Goku kinda just does whatever leads to fighting even when that explicitly endangers everyone and everything.
>>155559651He's against rape
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>>155559523Superman fights to protect the planet. Goku fights for fun and sport. Though morally Superman is the better option, if you're aiming for interesting character development Goku could be better but since Super he went from guy who'll fight for fun but when it gets too bad he'll lock in and fight to kill to guy who couldn't count on his fingers and just pulls out a new form when he's in trouble.
>>155559603Give your opponent a zensu bean
>>155560238Goku is against rape
>>155559523I can't really pin down Superman to a hyperconsistent set of morality.But if you believe Superman is strong enough and fast enough to respond to any disaster on Earth, but just chooses what he's willing to respond to, that's bad.But if you think Superman struggles to help as many people as he can everyday without completely ruining his own mental health, then that's good.Goku doesn't really have this dilemma. Goku isn't proactive, so unless trouble comes to involve him, he's not really seeking it out.His attitude to villainous people is just to keep beating them up when they try to do a big bad until they choose to do good or refuse to be spared and have to be killed.Those aren't really competing ideologies in a total sense though, so I don't know if you can really call one better or worse.
>>155560382Goku was, in fact, never against rape
>>155559523Goku
>>155559566Cringe
>>155559603He's a good person; obviously, he doesn't have an ideology.
>>155560031Redditor
>>155559523>This thread was created because Death Battle is doing Goku vs. Saitama, and the superfags are already seething.Lmao
>>155560468And yethttps://youtu.be/fmfyp_4JpUE
>>155559566American Goku isn't real. Changing the words coming out of his mouth in a few scenes can't change his actions.Goku mostly doesn't care about anyone and will sacrifice people to fight a strong guy. I'm kind of half expecting them to come out with a new story where its revealed Goku has some kind of worsening Saiyan mental illness, some kind of advanced Fight Lust which overrides his whole personality and capacity for reason.
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>>155560535>English dubbing This is not canon, and this speech does not represent an ideology.
>>155559621Superman is involved.
>>155560551>Goku mostly doesn't care about anyone and will sacrifice people to fight a strong guy. That is completely false.
>>155560569>Super-fags think the Japanese like Superman.Lmao
>>155560551Yeah I guess that makes my first post in the thread the smartest and most correct one. >>155559566Goku is a rip of superman with a different personality. American goku is a rip of superman with superman's personality.Superman stand for truth justice and the american way. Goku, stands for self indulgence which coincidentally points him in the direction of beating up bad guys most of the time.I dknt recall him ever nor do I think ever would, sacrifice people to get to a fight. He is still basically good. He's even superior in his goodness because he could get away with anything and chooses not to.
>>155560605Samefag
>>155560568His speech indicates that he stands in the way of evil purposefully and defends the weak. That's his ideology.Even if you accepted the existence of a null ideology the null ideology is still the ideology.>if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.
>>155559936but what if rape allows his opponent to power up?
What would Americans think if japs made a YouTube show where Goku beats up Superman every time?
>>155560627>His speech indicates that he stands in the way of evil purposefully and defends the weak>That's his ideologyThe truth is no; an ideology is more complex than that.
>>155560678You're just describing this board.
>>155560693How so?
>>155560580He sacrificed everyone on Earth once, and everyone in every universe later.
>>155560693>no uThat literally makes no sense in this context.
>>155560476We don't describe ourselves here
>>155560588Akira Toriyama liked Superman.>>155560678Laugh at how obviously biased they are and how they are clearly butthurt and seething.
>>155560529kek
>>155560725>at how obviously biased they are and how they are clearly butthurt and seethinglmao the irony
>>155559603>does Goku even have an ideologyYes.
>>155560717>He sacrificed everyone on Earth onceHe couldn't do anything to save them, so he decided to focus on defeating the villains and then reviving the victims.
>>155560688"Ideology" does not denote complexity. Some ideas are complex and some are simple. Am I talking to an ideologue right now?
>>155560717Was this goku, or everyone else? Pretty sure goku was dead at the time of the genocide attack.
>>155560724>no u Redditor>>155560725>Akira Toriyama liked SupermanJust the movie.It seemed like he hated the Silver Age version, considering this parody.
>>155560848>Ideology" does not denote complexity. You're arguing semantics.Defending the weak is something so fundamental that it isn't even considered an ideology.Ideology is the justification for hurting the weak.Communism, fascism, liberals, etc.—they all share this same pattern.
>>155560962I forgot the image.
>>155560856It’s irrelevant because there was nothing they could do to prevent it, so saying they sacrificed an entire planet to fight someone stronger is a lie.
>>155559603Not really. He just wants to have cool fights with strong people and eat good food
>>155560759Kino
at least goku doesn't turn evil every other teusday
>>155561163or changes ideology every twenty years.
People prefer Goku
>>155560529Kek, man, this one is an amazing joke.
>>155560588Man, no one even tries to read actual Manga? we always had comic book jokes and content in manga, specially with batman and superman.Hell, the whole reason supaman exist in dr slump and why goku origins is similar is because toriyama was a superman/sience fiction fag, he was a fan of star wars and anything that had a motor too, specially cars.We always have puns about batman being related to a baseball bat instead of an actual bat too.Im sure the Jojo guy have some content too, besides his massive boner for music.
>>155560588We have two popular mangas entirely based on western comic book heroes and people still post this shit?
Goku doesn't have "take in the ass and let your rapist free" ideology.He also doesn't have "let your son be gay and end your bloodline" ideology.Also he has no "ill get cucked and accept it gladly" ideology Capeshit makes me extremely disgusted and I never ever saw american comic super heroes as heroes or got inspiration by them....except for Static Shock in this cartoon but no way modern america wants coexistence and peace between races with mutual understanding about each side.Aside from capeshit, I liked He-Man and Thundercats. Those were better heroes than Superman by a mile.
>>155560588Japan likes the OLD concept of Superman from Christopher's movies, live action series and old cartoons(older than Timm's) that were VERY popular back then.Same thing about Batman.Modern DC heroes doesn't have half the popularity as the old ones.
>>155560520Superman already beat Goku 3 times why would beating him a fourth time amount to anything
>>155560529This is high art
>>155559523how's elementary school going?
>>155561043This is like saying Weird Al hates every musician he parodied
>>155560569Holy yum!!!
>>155562017True
>>155561914They have nothing to do with Superman, and those are just two manga out of thousands.>>155561883Parodies and jokes are not the same as liking the character.If you want to see a comic book character who is popular with the Japanese, you have to look at Spider-Man or Batman.
>>155562075>It is impossible to parody something you hate. Ok
>>155562032I don't know what you're talking about; superfags are obsessed with Goku.
Superman can only beat Goku because he has better hax that's easier to activate.
>>155562550>Superman can only beat Goku Just in fanfiction.
>>155562550>he has better haxsince when does Superman have hax he's just a flying brick
>>155559523Superman is a Zogbot who would let a black man rape and kill Lois and not kill him.Goku isn’t afraid to kill evil scum when they deserve it.
>>155562618Goku's hax requires him to recover from a nearly fatal injury. Superman's hax just requires him to park his ass on a sunny beach and wait. One appears to have diminishing returns after a certain point, the other has no apparent upper limit. So if Superman isn't strong enough to beat Goku, he just has to fly into the sun and slurp up all the yellow sunlight he needs to atomize Goku with a cockslap. Meanwhile, back on Earth, Goku is letting Vegeta work through some long-unresolved issues and eating Senzu beans like Reese's Pieces. There's a line forming, and Freeza is next in line after Vegeta, holding a baseball bat with nails hammered through it and starting to grow very impatient indeed. Superman will have a much easier time getting strong enough to win the fight than Goku, is my point.
>>155562664I literally just explained it but he has the sun's out guns out hax. He can grow as strong as he wants if he absorbs enough yellow sunlight, Goku still has to actually train, even if he gets way more gainz than a human thanks to genetics. One of them can get stronger by napping in a tanning bed. The other can't.
They should have retired Goku and let Gohan take over. Anyone who says otherwise is a fucking fagot.
Is it true that the Pokemon phone game canon supercedes the main series games?
>>155562723That was the plan, but nobody liked it.
>>155562733Pokémon doesn't have a canon.
>>155562691>Goku's hax requires him to recover from a nearly fatal injury. That’s a retcon to explain why Goku kept getting stronger after losing in the original series.
>>155562757That's the opposite of what the guy from the other thread said. He said everything is canon In Pokemon.
>>155562782It still counts, so the point still stands. Take both of their hax out of the equation and Goku has the better odds. But as long as Superman has his hax, he can beat Goku even if he powers up to Super Saiyan God Ultra Instinct Ego Saiyan Super Saiyan Mega Doubleplusgood Saiyan 9001 Blue Red Green Purple Rosé Octarine Kaioken. Times eleventy-scheven.
>>155562795>what the guy from the other thread saidI don't know who you're talking about.>He said everything is canon In PokemonThat’s practically the same thing I said.If everything is canon, it’s the same as having no canon.
Goku is against rape btw
>>155560551no if you actually watch from dragonball onwards his arc becomes accepting that being really strong also means you have to enforce justice when youre the only one who can. So you can compare to grandma goku all day. It makes coherent sense when you view it as him maturing/growing into an adult.
GODku.
>>155563821He was sacrificing universes as recently as the universal survival arc.
