Seeing the backlash over Zdarsky jumping the shark got me thinkingWhy didn't people latch onto Kid Miracleman the same way they did for Nemesis or the Plutonian?Homelander obviously but still, not having an adaptation didn't stop the other two from gaining notoriety in recent years
>>155561907Cause Miracleman was out of print for an extremely long time and then when they finally reprinted the Moore run people didn't notice because all the Marvel people could talk about was MCU or how bad Marvel's comics were getting or the Secret Wars event (the Miracleman #15 reprint was published early 2015)It also could be that Marvel only wanted the bare minimum of attention for these reprints because they didn't want Disney suddenly reading them the riot act or some shit
>>155562091I get why a lack of reprints can be a cause but pretty much EVERYONE piratesDo you seriously the people who go nuts over how "hardcore" the Plutonian is over Homelander and Omni-Man actually physically read the book?Crossed has been seeing an online fandom resurgence and that fanbase laments the lack of reprints the series gets while reading the comic digitally through piracy sites
>>155562129Crossed was putting out new minis.Irredeemable was running from 2009-2012Nemesis was out in like 2010 and talked about as one of the worst comics Millar didMiracleman was available online but there was no active discussion in the same way as the other three, because there was no reason for anyone to go looking for it unless they wanted to read a lost comic from Alan Moore. Hell, keep in mind Watchmen was massively popular in 2009 and even though there was the announcement of Marvel buying Marvelman/Miracleman that same year, even though Miracleman was available online at this point, it didn't seem like there was much discussion about Moore's Miracleman on this board to the same extent
>>155562129>Crossed has been seeing an online fandom resurgence APOLOGIZE, /CO/
>>155562291I get what you mean but the fandom resurgence for Crossed is happening long after the series went dormant due to Avatar's behind the scenes difficulties More people found out about the Plutonian and started to spread his infamy via word of mouth around the time of Invincible and The Boys' Amazon debuts>>155562345It's weird but it makes sense given extreme gore has been seeing a rise of interest plus pandemic nostalgia
>>155561907I mean1. Miracleman’s kinda Haute Couture amongst comics to begin with2. “Batman but Asshole” and “Superman but Psycho” are easier badass edge symbols than “Little Boy turns into Grown Up and wants to knock over blocks”. Can’t brag about how cool the little boy is for being psycho3. “Kid Miracleman” isn’t a very badass name either. Creepy yes, Badass no.4. KM’s very gorey and rapey and torturous, which is more gross than cool. He made a “coral reef of baby skulls” and mushed children’s bodies into a giant worm of meat and made a chessboard of women’s tits and hangs people nude from barbed wire, and in extra media he rapes people. Plutonian’s a weirdo too but the closest he ever got to the line was making people fuck eachother for his porn. Otherwise he’s a cool flying brick. KM’s just a horrible frothing sadist.5.The last point I feel is true because the only popular moment people share of KM is pic rel, which is kinda funny kinda badass. The rest is just goreporn.
>>155562704*oh and also he killed himself immediately after his 1 big murderfest.Nemesis and Plutonian have longrunning series of villainy
>>155562704Sounds kino.
>>155562704>They see the smile on the face of the tigeralways stuck with me. God they'll never make me hate moore.
>>155564093Easily one of the most hype moments in comics
>>155562366Well that's another thingCrossed, Irredeemable, and Nemesis also all had film/tv projects announced, off and onMiracleman didn't
>>155564093for years I thought he was posed like Bigfoot on this page, just calmly wading through the destruction, one leg still in the bus. Sitting around is fine too, I guess. He is just waiting for Miracleman to finally come out
>>155564840there was a chapter they did in Miracleman Apocrypha, where they explored the "Miraclemen can see humans frozen in time" idea.Bates as a Kid stayed with a man who'd been accelerated to superspeed, and was living out his whole life in frozen time. Had no choice but to stay with him, if he slowed down to ask for help the guy would die instantly.When he finally died, Miracleman arrived too late after it was already over.Didn't occur to me till now that was probably a parallel to this. Got it in his head how humans can snuff out in an instant, like they never happened.
Moore is just an edgy faggot who never got over getting raped and got cucked by his own druid wife
>>155561907They did latch onto him but Kid Miracleman is basically insanely hard to do anything with since he's so OP that you can't use him except very sparingly.I've mentioned that the best way to use him is just retcon the Moore version as a robot created by Mojo and have him be, like Spiral, a villain you use only sparingly.
>>155565031That's retarded as fuck anon
>>155565031There's stronger villains in capeshit than this psycho loser.
>>155561907>Why didn't people latch onto Kid Miracleman the same way they did for Nemesis or the Plutonian?He wasn't the MC.
>>155565031>I've mentioned that the best way to use him is just retcon the Moore version as a robot createdOr they could just say that's an alternative universe and make their own 616 version,
>>155565174They're usually not handled very well.
>>155565276This. Johnny wasn't even a POV character, it was like 3 and a half issues. Its unfortunate that we're not going to get Dark Ages, Gaiman's Silver Age kinda implied that Kid Miracleman was still hanging around and could talk to Dicky Dauntless in his mind, until Dicky figured out how to banish him. KM acting as the serpent, teaching and tempting YM would have been pretty cool.
>>155565031There's not much to the character itself so that's dumb, the entire appeal of Kid Miracleman is the writing itself as Moore effectively portrays him as a sadistic force of nature with his grandiose prose and shocking imagery. Take all that away and you don't have much to work with.
>>155561907Kid miracleman isn't just a superman clone he's a new version of an obscure British comics character. Unlike Moore's more popular work miracleman is shamelessly British. Also the story wasn't milked for hundreds of issues like invincible or irredeemable.
Miracle man is a psyop with no real fans
I feel like there was more story, but Moore was too pissed with the Marvel ordeal and just wanted to wrap it up. Book 3 could have probably been twice as long. I would have loved more Warpsmith shenanigans.
>>155562704>4. KM’s very gorey and rapey and torturous, which is more gross than cool.That's the thing really, KM is unabashedly taking pleasure in killing two of the big don't do's in fiction, kids and nice women(dogs and sweet old people are the other two). He's not really cool or glamorous in how he kills and there's no cathartic feeling like a Homelander gives people. He gets raped and that's a pretty bad look on him too.