>use beloved character as a washed up mentor to push the new Poochie>everyone loves the new take on the beloved character while not caring about the Poochie>double down on sidelining the beloved character while fast-tracking new projects for the PoochieIt keeps happening
Don't forget>pretend the Poochie was the reason the work was appealing and popular from the start
This implies anyone gives a shit about the green lanterns show written by the guy who wrote the new supergirl and directed by the retard who okayed blackface Dr. Manhattan.
>>155570104>written by the guy who wrote the new supergirlRetard.
>>155570093Nobody cares about Hal Jordan's GL though, John Steward is by far more popular in pop culture before the show anyway. DCAU cemented his place. Honestly, I feel as though laypeople would get Kyle Retter and Hal Jordan mixed up.
>>155570093Anon how many times are you going to spam this board with your dumb bullshit before you realize you are alone
>>155570115We don't have to do anything but watch them destroy themselves lmao everything jews say and do just makes people hate them more
>>155570219Retard.
>>155570115>What are (You) doing to stop us?I talk about Miles' stories and powers.It's amazingly effective with no counter thus far.
>>155570336>i'm wrong but no u
>>155570093Miles has had exactly two (2) movies, in both of which Peter B. Is a major main character and depicted positively and sympathetically.Peter Parker has had nine movies with at minimum two more almost certainly forthcoming.
>>155570098>>155570236Oh right, John’s millions of faithful fans who never showed up to support the comics or the character.
>>155570093do you think they make tv episodes the week they come out or something
>>155570708there's more green in this pepe than all of lanterns.
>>155570093Miles was created 15 years ago.John Stewart was created *FIFTY-FOUR* fucking years ago.Your racist ass may not like them, but they are in no goddamn way a "Poochie," who didn't even finish out the first fucking episode he appeared in.
>>155570839OP thinks that Lanterns is unedited Flock footage.
>>155570708How much money has each of them made for Marvel compared to each movie? How much money has each of their movies made for Marvel?
>>155570868Cope
>>155570819Literally *millions* of people watched the Justice League animated series, easily ten times the numbers who read the comics. For *most* people, John *is* the Green Lantern.
>>155570839No but Gunn fast tracked a Green Lantern movie with John and Guy but no Hal, while defending Hal's death as a creative choice on twitter
>>155570913What a brilliant comeback. I'm *devastated* by your logic and facts.
>>155570868Poochie was created 30 years ago, is he somehow not a Poochie anymore? Time passing somehow just removes the Poochieness?
>>155570898You're moving the goalpost. The original post was asserting that Peter was being "sidelined" for Miles, when that clearly isn't the case.
The problem with this thread is the ignorance of the fact people actually care about John. Nobody cares for Miles and that's why he always needs to leech off a multiverse of other Spider-Men and women to get people to show up for him.
>>155570708Didn't they also sideline Peter for him in the second Insomniac game and are trying to familiarize him to the toddler audience, all while his second movie pretty much says he's the most supder duper bestest Spider-Man?
>>155570915Millions of those people moved on to Dragon Ball Z and Naruto because that’s what came after JLU. You would think Reddit would realize this, but the casual audience have the minds of goldfish. They no doubt remember John from the cartoon, but they leave it at that because he wasn’t an interesting character and all he had going for him was being black. But Reddit being Reddit, just wants him in because the idea of Superman and Batman having a black friend sidekick warns their shriveled little hearts.
>>155570939Peter B is definitely being sidelined though, he was the star of the first movie and got demoted to a bit role in the sequel, they announced spinoffs to the animated trilogy and they're also about the punk Poochie and trans Poochie while Peter B content is nowhere to be found. Doesn't stop fans of these movies for praising them for somehow being the only ones giving Peter a family life (on screen for 30 seconds on the margins).
>>155570661This but unironically.
>>155570927What has Poochie been in, other than that single episode?Miles has been in at least two movies and, like, 700+ issues of multiple comic book titles.John Stewart had nearly 100 episodes of a cartoon, literally *thousands* of issues of comic book titles, and now the unedited Flock footage that OP is bothered by.You do understand the difference between "flash-in-the-pan misstep" and "thing I don't like", right?
>>155570993You do understand the definition of a Poochie anon, right?
>>155570993>You do understand the difference between "flash-in-the-pan misstep" and "thing I don't like", right?Anon of course they don'tThis literal Indian has been shitposting about Lanterns every day since the show started and no one has ever given him much attention but he keeps posting.He's just a racist that wants human interaction desperately
>>155570955Ah, you are le genius because you appreciate children's media on a much deeper level than the plebs that actually pay for any of this shit do.
>>155571002Okay, so y'all made up a new definition of a word. What is your definition of a "Poochie"?
>>155570868John's characterization before 2001 would piss people off today. He was pretty much a strawman of an angry black man with a chip on his shoulder who became arrogant when given power, up until Timm rebranded him into a serious militant figure who keeps other characters in line.
>>155570950>sideline Peter for him in the second Insomniac gameThey gave him a spinoff game while Peter was back in the sequel. >all while his second movie pretty much says he's the most supder duper bestest Spider-Man?Not really? A major theme of the Spider-Verse movies is that there's no one right way to be a hero. We spend more time with Miles as he's the main character so we get his POV more, but Peter B., Peni, Pavitr, Gwen, and Hobie aren't depicted as less heroic or wrong- in fact, Miles would have been doomed in the first movie without Peter B. and doomed in the second movie without Hobie.>are trying to familiarize him to the toddler audience...what, you mean that toddler cartoon where he has supporting cast billing with Gwen and Peter?It sounds a lot like you just have a problem with Miles existing in general.
>>155571025John's characterization is pissing people off today - look at this thread! A black man is going to have haters no matter what he does.
>>155570973>he was the star of the first movieHe most certainly was not. He was a popular supporting cast member, which us why he was brought back in a major supporting role in the sequel and is being set up as a major supporting role in the third movie, but the Spider-verse movies always focused on Miles. He's not being "sidelined" in the animated films unless you think by principal Peter should be the only lead in every Spider project ever.
>>155571044He was quite well liked in the DCAU.
>>155571020It has meant the same thing for 30 years, don't tell me you went into an argument about what being a Poochie is without knowing the definition or seeing the episode
>>155571057He definitely was, he was the Optimus to Miles' Sam Witwicky>brought back in a major supporting role in the sequel Definitely not, he has 100 seconds of screentime every one of which is used to thoroughly character-assassinate him >unless you think by principal Peter should be the only lead in every Spider project ever.Absolutely
>>155571044>John's characterization is pissing people off todayIndian shitposters don't count as people
>>155571062Fuckhead, you're the one who is arguing that something that is clearly not a Poochie is a Poochie. I've defined Poochie at least twice in this thread, whereas you've just kept jacking off over the attention I've foolishly been giving you.Shit or get off the pot.
why
>>155571090>>155571062
>>155571025Sure>>155571044Go back
>>155570949>Nobody cares for MilesOdd that his movies are so popular then
>>155571078Then your major problem is with Miles existing and leading a film at allIn which case you'd never be satisfied with any movie featuring himIn which case there's not really a point to continuing our debate.
So "Poochie" just means "black character". No one calls Terry McGinnis a Poochie, and he literally replaced Bruce Wayne as Batman.
>>155571025John is arrogant and selfish as fuck in HBO Lanterns but people on this website have convinced themselves the show is unaware of that. His brother calls him out on it last episode. This show has a decent blend of pre-JLU and post-JLU Stewart.
>>155571331The HBO show has way too much nuance for /co/ posters to have any idea what's being conveyed.
>>155571044the writes the blacks to incite racial tension then crys out when there is racial tension.
>>155570819Compared to the millions of Hal fans who keep the DC Comics cash machine printing new bills. People who like John may not buy comics. People who like Hal don't buy enough to make a difference, regardless.
>>155571376Not only do John’s fans not like comics, they clearly don’t like character if they go by the DCAU as a good example of the character. That’s like calling yourself a longtime Wonder Woman fan after watching the DCAU version
>>155571025I thought Cosmic Odyssey was written with Guy in mind, hence John being such a smug, reckless prick.
>>155570093>the new poochie>a character introduced over 50 years agoAlso how is it a double-down if the single season isn't over. Unless you're also implying they did post production filming or additional editing to try to change the later episodes to be more John Stewart focus than originally planned.I think you might just be retarded.
>>155571009>Redditspacer makes no argument, smarms verbosely instead
>>155571034>They gave him a spinoff game while Peter was back in the sequel.Okay, a bit moot if they gave Miles the next game in the series and then pulled a Kingdom Hearts by making the third game "2," but that's beside everything.>A major theme inI don't care about deconstructive "themes" here, I care about the plot. Isn't there a part where he outruns every single other Spider-Man? Isn't the whole point of his conflict being that autistic "canon" being broken and making him special "just because?">what, you mean that toddler cartoon where heYes, I do.>>inb4 "but it's a toddler cartoon!"Those toddlers aren't going to stay young forever, and when they grow up they're going to expect Miles in the main Spider-Man media. It's priming a future audience.>It sounds a lot like you just have a problem with Miles existing in general.Not "just," but yes, I don't like Miles period. Brilliant observation. Besides not liking the character, I don't like how his comics and movie appearances are predicated on Peter dying, since the writers don't respect the implications this has on how invested I'm supposed to be with Peter while expecting him to be offed at any moment, the tl;dr of that being "I've never heard anyone say Uncle Ben was their favorite Spider-Man character."
>>155570819John fans didn't exist until JLU happened But no keep thinking a frizzled old man in a Hawaiian shirt socks and sandals who was reading in the 70s is representative of the fandom
>>155570093lmao you people are SEETHING over this show eh?
>Oh right, John’s millions of faithful fans who never showed up to support the comics or the characterAs a John fan from JL and JLU, HA!
>>155571599New is a relative term
>>155571813>the writers don't respect the implications this has on how invested I'm supposed to be with PeterSo you're not a fan, and don't read spider-man comics, and are having a knee-jerk racist reactionFuck off, casual
>>155572032Bro stop samefagging you're really obvious
>>155570708Miles should not have any movies.
>>155571153All true, Poochies should not exist and they should especially not get multimillion movies
>James Gunn made a Scooby Doo movie dedicated to shitting on Scrappy, the original Poochie>James Gunn called Spider-Verse the best capeshit movie of all time despite it being dedicated to glorifying Miles, the biggest Poochie of all time>James Gunn loved Spider-Verse so much he used it as a blueprint for Lanterns Some irony in this
>still pretending Miles is a Poochielmao, you faggots don't even know why you're mad anymore
>>155573699He fits every single criteria tho
>>155572598If I said ANY of that and you said anything besides the tired and rehearsed "you only hate this pushed black/hispanic character (written by a white guy) because you racist" handwave, you might have a point.That's a funny projection too since we would not be having this talk if Miles was white because you only like him because he's a mix-raced minority.And, suppose I were racist... How does shouting that negate ANYTHING I said? Isn't the mainline comic Miles and his most successful movies predicated on Peter of his universe dying?
>>155571376And Guy Gardner chads just keep laughing
>>155570236>>155570915Johnfags love to pretend he's some A-lister because of a show that was on a quarter century ago. John was never popular in pop culture. He was lower tier supporting cast member in a show people only watched because it had Batman in it and was completely forgotten about as soon as it ended. Just because a supporting character is in a popular or widely consumed piece of media doesn't mean that character itself is well-known or well-liked.
>>155573785>Ok I'm racist but am I wrong!?Yes.
>>155570219Gunn didn't wrote the new Supergirl you dunce
Keep coping over Miles, faggots.I'm laughing at all of you.
>>155570093its even funnier with miles becuase they tried to make miguel the villian but people liked him the most
>>155573964Who are you quoting? Who asked that? Why are you so hellbent on making shit up?
>>155573807Don't count on it. Tom King DESPISES Guy and still fucking holds a grudge that fan backlash that finally made DC put their foot down to fan backlash against King and forcing him to rewrite shit, was him making Guy a spousal abuser who Ice ultimately murders in self defense and making Guy's final thoughts being "Ice hates me" when Ice tells Guy how much she despises him and could never love him. DC suspended publication of Human Target and forced King to rewrite the plot to make evil woman beater Guy an evil clone and have the real Guy Gardner show up and yell at everyone fur falling for an imposter.At worst, Gunn is going to do that. At best, we will get Gunn making Guy Gardner responsible for Xanishi's destruction instead of John so as to further shill John/butt Guy and try and bullshit fans with the long debunked urban legend that Jin Starlin always intended Guy to be responsible for Xanishi's destruction but editorial made him make John a mass murderer instead because of racism
>>155571813>I don't care about deconstructive "themes" here, I care about the plot.That's a very shallow way to consune media.So, what, you don't care about the themes of isolation, depression, and healing in BND, you just wanna see Spider-Man punch guys?You don't care about Spider-Man having to learn responsibility because the one time he was irresponsible, someone he loved died?I can't imagine only viewing media as a sequence of events where things Just Happen and being satisfied with that. That sounds like a very sad and unfulfilling way to go through life and engage with fiction.
>>155575800https://youtu.be/_CIYR_XgBSY?is=U47poT6JS7ga9PUB
>>155575800>So, what, you don't care about the themes of isolation, depression, and healing in BND, you just wanna see Spider-Man punch guys?When evaluating the worth of one individual character due to an arbitrary role given. You can like a character's role in a story while disliking their individual character.I.E. In Korra, I liked the role The Earth Empire plays as an answer to the political vacuum introduced by the Red Lotus's anarchy. I don't like that they basically just made a big retarded robot with that idea and think the characters in it are idiots.>I can't imagine only viewing media as a sequence of events where things Just Happen and being satisfied with that.You can't be this pompous and not think for a moment that, if people can deconstruct their own stories from a piece of media, they can also reconstruct their own fun.
>>155570708He got sidelined pretty hard in the second one, and his a blatantly irresponsible father whenever he's on screen
>>155576028Nerd? Really? At least have some balls and call me a faggot, faggot.
Why is the protege always either not white or not male, literally every single time
