Is she the biggest marvel Mary Sue?
for some reasn gay people love this shit caracter
That's not Miles
>>155572749>can do literally anything>most powerful character>authors, directors and others in charge constantly wank her off>WOMEN DONE RIGHT!Yes.
>>155572749No because Bendis happened
She's got about 15 years worth existence where she is possessed, insane, or assumed dead and used as a boogie man. That doesn't seem very useful for Mary Sueing in an ongoing story, who dies at the end only because she was too good for the sinful universe.
>>155572763Is it a "Wiccan's mom" thing, or did it start earlier?
>>155572749No because they keep pooping on her. She's never really recovered post-Mday even though writers keep trying. And look what happened in MCU. Hell the new mangaverse straightup has her as an evil yandere ghost.
>>155572749That would be Storm.
>>155572749no that would be Doctor Doom
>>155572749If she were a Mary Sue she wouldn't constantly be going evil. Mary Sues are loved by all the other characters, while Wanda spent the entire Hickman era of X-Men being hated by the entire cast.Same with the MCU: yes, she's powerful, but she's repeatedly become a villain and there are barely any characters in the MCU who have a good word to say about her.There is some argument for her being a Mary Sue in Orlando's run but a lot of Scarlet Witch fans (especially those of us who think the MCU version is the most comic accurate) dislike that.But she fucks up a lot, at least until very recently. Like in "Ultron Unlimited" the climax has her totally fuck up a hex and accidentally make Ultron more powerful when she was trying to shut him down.
>>155572749It's a three way tie between her, Carol, and Storm
>>155573812>but she's repeatedly become a villainA villain who defeats everyone and the only reason she is beaten is because she decides to stop.
>>155572749Simultaneously a Sue and a Woobiewhich is exactly why all of her fans are insane
>>155573812>Orlando's runThat the current book going on?I couldn't stomach more than 2 issues of that garbageLiterally nothing but everyone saying "Wanda is so cool and awesome and damnit she's a loose cannon but she gets results and is also the most kindest wizard ever not like that fuckin chud Dr Strange who is notoriously stupid and violent"
>>155573897If you add Jean Grey to that, then there is a trend among them.
>>155574391Mary Sue is more than 'powerful woman I hate'
>>155574400She's less of a fuckup than Carol with her big one being a weird setup and has more feats.
>>155574391Nah I don't think you can count JeanShe's constantly dunked on and they ain't ever gonna stop bringing up the time she killed ten trillion peopleAt the very least she's nowhere near where Storm is, where even an anti-mutant KKK grand wizard will talk about what an amazing impeccable perfect goddess she is
>>155574374Yeah, that's the one.A lot of people are claiming the MCU is bringing her back soon, and if that's true then, sad but true, I'll probably enjoy "Wanda working for Doctor Doom for some reason" more than "Wanda can do anything better than anyone" of the recent comics.
>>155573339Before thatIf anything Wiccan was gay Heinberg's self insert and he made himself Wanda's son because he idolized her
>>155574561I think the Scarlet Witch/Vision marriage, being a marriage that is frowned upon by society and can't produce children, had a resonance that the writers of the era did not expect (I recall one of the '70s writers saying that gay rights were not really on his radar at the time, though they were later).
>>155572749There's more to a character being a Mary Sue than just you not liking how she's written. If you don't know what terms mean, don't use them.
>>155572749Despite how strong she was it was usually in specific unusual scenarios. Orlando however has her a on Giga streak where nothing can touch her and powers have zero drawbacks. Cthon is her bitch now.
>>155575124>no more mutantsuh huh
>>155573897I think Carol fell off a while ago. Replace her with Sue who is constantly reinforced as being not just the strongest f4 but Strongest suphero in general and just as smart as Reed.
>>155572749Isn't she meant to be "biggest" of all the marvel women?
>>155575419Canonically, yea. Thank our Lord and Savior Mr. Shooter for that.
>>155575185I give her a pass because the F4 are basically gag characters 95% of the timeIt'd be like saying Tweety Bird is a Mary Sue
>>155572763I noticed this too.
>>155574621>Also works for interracial marriage because people in story were up in arms about an android marrying an organic womanComic books sure get a lot of mileage out of this kind of thing.
>>155575175A Mary Sue has to be overly competent and well-liked/respected by the heroes. You're saying that a story that depicts her as insane, barely in control of her powers, and has the heroes debating whether or not they should kill her is a clear example of her being a Mary Sue.
So how do Kate Bishop and X-23 rank in Mary Sueness? I've heard that about them, but I don't know them that well.
>>155576042Kate is getting smacked around by ghosts in arcane avengers
>>155576042Kate doesn't really rank, X-23 depends on if you're talking about classic X-23 material or girl!Wolverine X-23.
>>155576213The one the writer pairs with her favorite characters.
>>155576260That doesn't really count as lots of writers do that with lots of characters.
>>155572749No. That's still and will always be Wolverine.>Dark and mysterious past>Codifier for 80% of 90s edgelords>Almost never loses a fight against anyone not named Magneto or shares Magneto's powerset>Is on every single super team. Avengers, X-people, or in-between>Has a hot clone daughter>Has canonically fucked the entire ethnic spectrum of womenNone of you can refute this.
>>155576409He's a punted runt.
>>155576409God remember when Wizard jizzed over him every issue
>>155576409>is always portrayed as angst-ridden and tragic>still got a hot wife (who cares if she's dead) >bagged other hot chicks>his son is "evil" but also they reconciled>is friends with and an inspiration to like a hundred motherfuckers including Spider-Man>oh woah my regeneration is so tough guys, seriously it has all this fucked up baggage attached >I'll still live basically forever depending on whose writing me lol>(and fuck Jean again)
>>155576454Sit down Sabertooth.
>>155572749She gets her ass beat in every issue 1964-2003
>>155575602>the F4 are basically gag characters 95% of the time
>>155576042I feel like there was a point in time when they were really trying to convince everyone that she's a better marksman than Clint but I think that went away
>>155577527Anon like the entirety of the last 3 years of F4 have been time travel gags
>>155575185I don't hate Sue being really powerful in theory, because invisible force fields you can pull up anywhere at anytime is genuinely one of those powers you can do terrible things with if you're creative enough.They lost me when she was able to start killing Celestials, and then the movie has her knocking Galactus over(realistically it'd probably make him pause for a moment, make a mental note of it as a curiosity, then just casually push past her force field and keep going) and I'm already over it.
>>155574621I appreciate that the way he's phrasing it makes it sound like he's offended that the Vision is choosing to kiss a mutant, implying he wouldn't care at all if he was kissing a non-mutant woman.
>>155577969That's because North is a joke writer and when he tries to do something serious it goes poorly (see: The Invincible Woman)
>>155572749It's the Hulk. Not just from a power perspective either. Everyone loves the Hulk and anyone who doesn't is always in the wrong. People talk about how bad MU characters get written in X-books. Everyone turns into a jackbooted thug around the Hulk even if they teamed up with him. He has regularly been the voice of reason especially at his dumbest. They love to do the "even savage Hulk knows this is wrong" bit. But lets not skimp on the power thing either because he basically has the closes thing to cannon what if X killed the marvel universe books. He gets to beat up other heroes all the time. I think only Black Bolt has a positive record against him and that probably only because they fought in the 60s and 70s. He is currently wanked around ToAA levels going by his current run and immortal
