Former Dreamworks Animation head and the executive producer of Shrek, Madagascar, Kung Fu Panda, and How to Train Your Dragon has weighed in on AI in animation
Fun fact apparently people thought the villain of Monsters vs Aliens looked like himHe even had to address it
>>155591102I don't have to accept shit, nigga.
>>155591128Nah
Katzenberg doesn't have a single creative bone in his body
>>155591102>Man who has a 40 year history of making incredibly stupid Declarations in the past made an incredibly stupid declarationwe've done this before
>>155591102There is no greater proof of Jewish nepotism in Hollywood than this fucking retard failing upwards his entire career. I'm sure this faggot thought Quibi must be accepted by Hollywood as well.
Would someone explain why people are so pissed about AI? I don't remember this much shit being stirred over photoshop, autotune, or theaters going all digital and obsoleting projectionists.
>>155591161Not to mention his post-DreamWorks output. I didn't think it was possible to fuck up worse than Quibi, then he handled Biden's re-election campaign.
Katzenberg, your sequels are shit
>>155591102Jeffery Katzenberg has always been a businessman, not an artist.
>>155591102He's right but AI has too many amateur and little curation in the frontThe best AI power user is literally actual artists and not the brown creature looking to make a quicker buck.
>>155591433He's not even a very good oneDreamWorks almost went bankrupt in 2014 under his rule
>>155591102His opinion on the subject should have been obvious just from his name.
>>155591433But that's the problem: Unlike Eisner or Bob Iger, he put himself in the position of getting to tell the artists what to do. Toy Story was almost canceled and had to be completely re-built from scratch because this fucker couldn't stay in his goddamn lane.
>>155591458Nice cope
These movies are masterpieces, although keep in mind that Katzenberg wasn't a daily presence at Pacific Data Images like he was in the division behind the 2D movies
>>155591330Brainless redditoid locusts are mad, not actual human beings
there's more artistry in AI than in rotoscoping
>>155591102seems weird for someone working exclusively in the realm of deliberately ugly CGI cartoons, but AI is the only thing that could save 2Dwe need real humans doing keyframes, and AI taking the place of korean sweatshops. That's not negotiable.
>>155591102I and a lot of other people will be glad when this kike dies.
Shark Tale could've been worse
>>155591442This would be true even if generative video never existed. Many of Dreamworks own movies were animated by foreign browns. All that's really changed is the scale of cheap Asian labor that was once deemed a requirement and upheld by transnational companies.
>Treasure Planet premiered on wednesday November 27, 2002>by the end of sunday, it had grossed $16,599,714>Sinbad premiered on wednesday July 2, 2003>by the end of sunday, it had grossed $10,056,980>Brother Bear premiered on saturday November 1, 2003>by the end of that same day, it grossed $11,054,309Katzenberg' 2D studio ended on a whimper
>>155591102The old boomer executives cannot seem to grasp that AI is replacing them too, not just the artists. If ANYONE can whip up an animated short of a movie in their own home in their own time, why would anyone need people like him? He's worthless in this new world. No one will need big studios, no one needs overpaid executives either. Anyone and everyone can just make their own content forever.
>Antz/What Dreams May Come premiered the same friday>Antz came out 1st in that weekend, and it would do it again in the next weekend>Prince of Egypt/You've Got Mail premiered the same day>POE came out 2nd in that weekend, and it fell to 4th in the next weekendKatzenberg obviously took notice of that
>>155592140anon there's a whole lot more to managing these companies than simply making the movies
>>155591102I don't really care what boomers think, they don't have to survive in the economy that AI is creating. They get to coast until they're dead.
>>155591330The internet's much bigger now, you're seeing opinions that didn't have a platform before
>>155591102direct quote from a coworker of mine whose big on AI, to the point of starting a business using it"sometimes AI Makes you do more work"
>>155591102>Former restaurant owner: Guys, you don't understand, pig slop is simply the quickest and most cost-effective way to nourish a human body, it's a logical progression for it to be included into every meal we create!How about no? As in you can create as many slop movies as you want, but I nor anyone else outside of India will pay to see them. Also good luck copyrighting that literally uncopyrightable shit, lol.
>>155592140yea i can generate the blonde woman from bonkers nude i dont need to watch forgotten island
>>155593218>Modern restaurant owner: Guy's you don't understand, this food processing technology actually works and can be used to make actual good things faster and cheaper, you don't just have to use it to make pig slop!
>>155592312Making the movies is what brings in the money. If people are not watching what they are making then they are out. No one cares about that >Whole lot moreIt was never even a part of the argument.
>>155591102Nobody cares if you use AI as long as it doesn't look like prompt-generated slop.
>>155591330Photoshop didn't commit mass IP infringement to make shitty slop that can't draw hands while boiling off gallons of drinking water.
>>155593303>, this food processing technology actually worksLOL >and can be used to make actual good thingsLMAO
>>155592140>If ANYONE can whip up an animated short of a movie in their own home in their own time, why would anyone need people like him?Anon, why do you think the price of PC components, especially GPUs, is going through the roof? It's so not just anyone can do this. It's so they NEED a paid subscription to an AI company to use data centres to generate, and that shit is going to end up so expensive only megacorps will be able to afford to use it. It will be like Adobe subscriptions on steroids. Literally any other scenario results in the AI bubble popping.
>>155591102Bougie piece of shit loves AI, what a surprise.
>>155591576>I have to eat shit because Other Side hates it!
>>155591102>must accept AI as a toolVery important distinction here folks. He's not saying all movies should be made with generative AI, he's just saying it can be used as a TOOL, not the final product itself. Read.
>>155591102>-bergEVERYSINGLETIME
>>155591102He's right, but of course anti-ai zealots are going to attack the messenger rather than deal with the truth.
>>155593649>mass IP infringementWho gives a shit about IP laws?
>>155593696>this is the level of argument luddites can come up withSad.
>>155593303Hey, hey retard. Just look at real life. Super-processed food exists. No one with taste buds and a brain eats it. Because processing kills the texture and nutrition. Much like AI slop looks unpleasant to the eye and doesn't have an artist's intent (food for the soul/thought) in it.
>>155593805AI in art isn't a fucking tool, it IS the whole process you retard. Background creation, lines and coloring are all separate processes. People who make "AI-assisted" shit are kidding themselves at best and make garbage as bad as pure slop or make their good lines look like shit with AI color and backgrounds at worst.
>>155594293>takes the food analogy way too farSuper-processed food isn't the same thing. AI can be applied to things behind the scenes that viewer eyes will never see.
>>155593649>IP infringementEvery popular work was ripped off from some other lesser known artist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acuP4u3iQc4
>>155594372If you're talking about helping with accounting for the movies, or keeping track of logistics and timetables then yes, sure. If you meant directly in the art process, then fucking no.
>>155594825But it is transformed through the prism of the human mind. The current AI is just a language model. A repository of knowledge. It cannot internalize or be inspired to then create something new. It has no notion of good or beautiful aside from having data that someone previously called good or beautiful and it must break it down and merge it, removing all the balance that made it such in the process. All it can do is rip off one thing, or a lot of things and even then only the most popular ones because others lack data. The latter might seem like something new to an uncultured swine, but it isn't to anyone with any experience in the craft. That is what people mean when they say a picture looks soulless. They feel as if they've seen it a million times before because they have.
>>155591330>I don't remember this much shit being stirred over photoshopAdobe lost a class action lawsuit because it was making subscription cancellations too difficult so Photoshop has in fact been in shit for years. As for AI, AI has two major fundamental issues which make it impossible to take over the industry completely:1) AI creations are Public Domain by default. If you wish to own IP for the AI creation, you need a human being to recreate it. You can always try and sell AI stuff but the moment people realize its AI, they can just pirate it for free and it wouldn't even be illegal. Your money-making strategy relies on people not realizing its AI until its too late.2) Consumers don't want to pay money for AI, because they already have AI back home. If you reveal you used AI, then consumers start asking for you to lower your prices and now you have to go and prove you're not just a worthless middle-man in your own project. Why would I eat in a michelin-star restaurant that microwaves grocery store hot pockets? I can do that back home without paying hefty sums of money.These are the two fundamental issues AI-pajeets can never respond to and just call you a luddite and talk about LLMs being the next Skynet, just two more weeks.
>>155591102People with power talking about things they help bring about as an inevitable force of nature is an extremely common rhetorical tactic.
>>155591330i can't bring myself to care about a product someone didn't bother to make themselves >"But I did make it-"You're not a chef if you order off the menu and the restaurant brings you your meal.
https://youtu.be/gXR_GtdJZlY?is=1nUOyFQISrw_RJxaHe almost ruined the Goofy movie with his ideas. Good riddance.
