>be obsessed with objectivism> being selfish and rational is man's true purpose, with the main goal in life being to achieve your own selfish happiness >co create character who's who thing is about sacrificing his own personal happiness and desires for the sake of the people around him The irony of that will always be hilarious
>>155591620Being nice to YOUR family and YOUR friends is still selfishness
>>155591795Like you don't have to be a hermit to be selfish according to Objectivism. You can still cultivate your friendships and such
>>155591830Steve didn'tNobody knew he was dead till his landlord smelled him
>>155591795true, and Ditko probably believed that (you can find photos with him and his family) but Spider-Man sure as fuck doesn't participate in that. He puts saving random strangers and the world over his commitments to other people, the people he personally wants to be with
>OP discovers compartmentalization
>>155591947selfish prick should've called someone first
>>155591620I’m not at all a fan of Objectivism, but the Randian hero is supposed to be selfless in the sense that he does good purely out of his own moral desire. No one forces him to be good, and he doesn’t force anyone else to be good either. He simply acts according to his own principles.The basis for Rand’s conception of the hero apparently came from an illustrated British adventure novel she read as a child. She fell in love with its hero. a young, handsome man with fit forearms, drooping hair but a determined look on his face and always imagined her male heroes.
>>155592625Ironic, then, that both of Ditko’s Marvel heroes are more motivated by guilt than their own pure desire
>>155591620>be 4chan fagnonymous>want to have a shitpost thread because I'm a (You) whore>post easy bait of something I only have surface level knowledge >effective since it's another of those controversial threads people want to hatefuck so muchThis man wanted to be a cop so he could help society. How is that selfishness? He wasnt even a real Objectivist, more like an Aristotelian according to him. Virtue ethics bitch, why do you think he liked capes so much? >co create character... for the sake of the people around himBecause that's what he believed in. Goddammit OP, next time post an Alan Moore rape, Rorschach, or "I hate comics" thread. Those get more replies you whore
>>155591620>but if I deliberately misrepresent his ideology, now he looks silly
>>155592760According to Ditko, when he lifted the heavy machine to get Aunt May her medicine, that was the point when Peter was supposed to have felt like he made up for Uncle Ben. He wasn't supposed to continue being driven by guilt.
>>155593162Welcome to the modern comic industry.
>>155593162>/co/ comic creator threads in a nutshell
>>155592894Nigger, I actually enjoy some of rans writings and ideas (the virtues of selfishness and atlas shrugs) and I still find it humorous how a guy who loved AR's shit (someone who goes on about how altruism is a cancer and a mans true path to happiness is to be concerned with his needs first) helped create a character who's practically the antithesis of those ideas > This man wanted to be a cop so he could help society. How is that selfishnessWhen has ditko ever said that? If you're talking about Mr. A, then it's because Ditko wanted to create a hero that ran on a personal moral compass dictated by his own reason, which is what Ayn meant by having a man be "selfish" in his desires. He's not stopping crime because he's a sacrificial animal to the people of his city; he does it to abide by his own moral code > The Objectivist ethics holds that the actor must always be the beneficiary of his action and that man must act for his own rational self-interest. But his right to do so is derived from his nature as man and from the function of moral values in human life—and, therefore, is applicable only in the context of a rational, objectively demonstrated and validated code of moral principles which define and determine his actual self-interest.
