What was the most painful death?
After hearing people rant and rave about this back then, and having missed it but caught The Maxx, I was really looking forward to seeing this and seeing what all the hype is about. Artwork and animation is alright if you like that art style, and that's about it. The plot feels half-baked when it finally appears, everything about the series is style over substance. Things make little sense if any. But hey, look at that artwork/animation! Just ignore the sexualized snuff in the first 6 episodes, we assure you that's not the artist/writers poorly concealed fetish.The Maxx may have stopped before the plot finished, and failed to explain some key plot details that are spelled out in the comic, but it was still a far more rewarding watch than Aeon Flux. Even with all of Sam Keith's navel-gazing dialogue.
>>155621737I never forgot Aeon Flux.
>>155622165Filtered
>>155622225A lack of a plot isn't a deep plot, and trying to pretend it's deep doesn't make you seem smart except to other mid-wits.
>>155622165You lack whimsy and intellectual curiosity.
the movie was much better than the cartoon
>>155622314Cope>>155622675Stfu, slopper
>>155622653You lack the intelligence and self-honesty to realize the emperor has no clothes.>>155622712You would counter my argument if you had one, so I accept your concession.
>>155622903You've made it clear that talking to you is a waste of time. All you deserve are insults.
>>155621737>that sage episode where he reviews aeon flux just to talk about the minutia of Gnosticism the whole time
>>155624276Funny that Sage would talk about someone else being up their own ass.
>>155621737I liked the guy who looks like Caesar
The conscience robot episode filtered me hard
>>155622165>complaining about a visionary animator indulging in his fetishes You don't deserve Aeon Flux. YOU'RE the reason why adult cartoons nowadays are so sexless and do everything in their power to avoid female nudity.
Aeon Flux The Herodotus File
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>>155622165I'm glad someone like you doesn't like it
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>>155622165Like clockwork, we have some attention-seeking pseudo-intellectual drivel. Have you come down from your (You) high yet?
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>>155626512think of it as a challenge
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>>155622165>The plot feels half-baked when it finally appearsThere is no ongoing plot. Each episode is a self-contained story.
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I like how Chung’s first animation jobs were TMNT, Transformers and Rugrats
Phantom 2040 is underrated.Reign was pretty cool.
>>155621737I watched it all recently and it was good. It has good animation, good action and hot chicks. Hard to complain. Haven't seen the movie yet, should I give it a chance?
>>155621747The freaky four legged humans
Aeon Flux is the best
>>155624276Weirdly apropos.
>>155627325the best what?
>>155621737Thanks for the reminder, friend!
https://www.artofthetitle.com/title/aeon-flux/>And I would have to say that a title sequence which directly inspired Aeon Flux’s was the one for the British television show The Prisoner, which has a back-and-forth between the main character and his captor.>How long did it take to animate the respective title sequences from storyboarding to final cut? What tools or software did you use to put it all together?>Peter: Well, there was no software. This was all done traditionally with paper, pencil and hand-painted cells and then shot under a 35mm film camera. You gotta remember, this was the early 90s [laughs].with sound: >>>/wsg/6242196
>>155621737I never forgot, if you don't have the fly in the eyelash thing living rent free in your head, are you even really alive?
>>155622165Reddit ass post
>>155622165>Just ignore the sexualized snuff in the first 6 episodes,lmao shut up faggot
>>155621737wow cool gun
>>155628955the BEST
>>155626557>>155626579Man, this episode hit me hard as a kid. Tragic and beautiful.
Has any cosplayer ever tried to create an accurate Aeon outfit? Not just the fetish suit, but the hair as well.
In the '90s I randomly saw the god episode of this show and, not knowing anything about the show, mistook it for an ongoing storyline.
I enjoyed how on the episode commentary for “Chronophasia” Peter Chung admitted that he had no idea what the episode was actually about. It really is like a fever dream, which I guess is appropriate. However, I always thought the writer was trying in some way to tie the entire series together in a way that made sense, such as how Aeon dies and comes back. I think it was some kind of attempt at alternate timelines, Jacob’s Ladder type stuff. It didn’t really work because no one got it, but that’s my take on it, Aeon is exposed to something that gives her a view of time as it actually flows, in a benching, non-linear way.
>>155626512A woman built like Aeon would have really long toes and I am unanimous in that
>>155635194Should be “branching” not “benching.”
>>155635194WHERE CAN I LISTEN TO EPISODE COMMENTARY?
>>155621737>>155622200I wouldn't say 'never forgot' but its as foundational to that stage in life when I found them as Fractured Fairy Tales and Loony Tunes was to my childhood, so of course it (and all those other Liquid TV toons) were foundational and thus form core memories
>>155621737It's ashame the DVD boxset didn't include the original Liquid Television shorts.
>>155622165>NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST SEXUALIZE A CARTOON GIRLThe day your kind is removed from the industry will be the day the rest of society heals.>Sees no problem with The Maxx that does the same shitHypocrite
>>155621737This shit is just fucking weird
>>155635832the DVDs lol
>>155635832The DVD set they released around the time of the movie.
>>155635194I hate that episode for that reason that it's just a bunch of fucking around, but the time reset thing being used to show that Trevor is a fraud was pretty neat, not that it really goes anywhere.
>>155635096I've seen three or four at Dragon-Con to varying degrees of success. The best one was a black chick who absolutely lacquered her hair.
>>155636383Nice, I haven’t been to DragonCon in years but most of the cosplayers go above and beyond.
>>155636164I don’t hate it but it is frustrating, precisely because I think there are some good ideas suggested there but they don’t go anywhere. It felt like it could’ve been great with more of a plan and some editing.
i had the creator, peter chung as a teacher last semester. He is such a genius!! Æon Flux might seem plot-light, but every moment is carefully constructed to keep your attention. he prioritizes what the audience thinks, not the characters, if that makes sense.Sometimes he would bring up other students' films from other classes and critique them/eplain what they are doing wrong. I've always wondered what he said about my film in those classes. ah well.
>>155636896If he was your teacher and reviewed your film, you could just ask him for his critique.
>>155622165>newfags still falling for the oldest copypasta in the book
>>155622165>>155621737Why couldn't they hire the people behind Aeon Flux to do an Aliens TV Series or even a crossover?
he critiqued mine too. the biggest note for me was that i wasn't doing the hard part for conveying a character's choice. once character had to feel bad and toss a bandage to another (they are both bleeding to death)the gag at the end is that they toss it back and fouth like out of spite and pettiness.but that wouldn't land if the initial sacrifice felt arbitrary.Peter Chung said to give the dying man an incomplete task or have him see something unique and beautiful, like the gun bubbles from the Aeon Flux pilot.so getting the bandage guy and the audience invested for the same reason. sorry if this is long haha
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Bump.
>>155621737I'll buy the DVD set next year (or for Christmas). Don't worry, I didn't forget.
>>155639211This is great supplemental shit anon, thanks for sharinh
More on “Chronophasia”: https://coagulopath.com/analysis-of-aeon-fluxs-chronophasia/Pretty good blog post with some quotes from those that worked on it.
>>155636062Try Reign
>>155635096>>155635985The one I got has them.
>>155641771That’s a great cosplay.
>>155621737I don't. I never watch his movie. Surely wish I could watch It, to be honest.
>>155644082Don’t
Pretentious slop, waste of good animation
>>155645241Retard
>>155645249faggot
>>155645271That’s you
>>155645241Wrong.
>>155621737I’m surprised Paramount hasn’t revived this. They could hire Powerhouse and/or those Korean studios that make anime-looking action shows.
I got this mixed up with Cybersix.
>>155645956This doesn’t look like any anime that I know of, only Chung can do it
>>155645956They were looking into a live action series for MTV, but I don't think anything came out of it.
>>155645987Live-action sci-fi is expensive as hell. Animation makes more sense.
>>155646002Why not just have Chung do it himself? I’m sure he has a lot of ideas he wanted to do but never could. With streaming he wouldn’t have those restraints.
>>155645963I can see the resemblance lol
I wonder if Chung would still do the loose to no continuity if he did a continuation of Aeon Flux. The non-shorts did sometimes reference past episodes and characters, but there were also ones where Aeon doesn’t escape a predicament and is back the next week. Part of me thinks Chung would try continuity this time but do something experimental like kill off Aeon and Trevor in the first episode and move on to other characters, like War but only shifting perspective once instead of multiple times.
>>155647157Now you've got me wondering the same...
>>155648439I definitely feel like he would do something new. I think he made his point with Aeon dying frequently, he probably would want to explore something else.
>>155648921Does Chung want to do anything new as far as a show? I think he's fine being a teacher at cal arts or whatever he's doing now.
>>155621737>You now remember Aeon Flux wish I didn't..
>>155649895Your loss
>>155621737No I don't
>>155622165>Just ignore the sexualized snuff in the first 6 episodes, we assure you that's not the artist/writers poorly concealed fetish.Anon it's ok to have art that is the artist's fetish and sexy women and shit. Hellraiser was a horror franchise that never hid this either and people love it too lol. WAY MORE GODDAMN SNUFF TOO
>>155622675Jesus Christ I've been here too long I thought this was that guy from the Bully Herrington video at first
weird-ass show
>>155649268No idea. I was considering what he would do if he did have interest.
>>155650955filtered
>>155646710themesong go hard https://youtu.be/3tEL9u_TPTY
>>155641771Pics of vintage cosplayers warms me icy heart
>>155654029I like it
I like Trevor, I wish John Rafter Lee did more voice acting
>>155642637Indeed! Why I saved the pic.>>155654491And kitties always help mine.
>>155655101He did the voice acting for Aristotle for the first few episodes of Reign the Conqueror, but for some reason they replaced him later on in the show. It's a real shame, he did a damn fine job.
MTV used to be so cool, man...
>>155657771Simpsons ruined EVERYTHING
>>155641771>The one I got has them.Can you provide a MEGA link to the shorts?
>>155658400how?
>>155637329you know potential like that won't happen, especially in this day and age
>>155659515The fact that Disney owns the Alien franchise now terrifies the shit out of me, they would never do anything good with it, besides try to marvelize it.
>>155650084Seriously, you don't?
>>155621737Damn that hair is wild, it looks good and makes her stand out. Very good character design.
>>155656412That was because Tokyopop acquired the series. They got the first 4 episodes that were dubbed by another company, so instead of doing their own dub with those they just used other VAs for the episodes that were left. I remember being disappointed when I heard the new Aristotle voice, as I noticed the original VA voiced Trevor.
>>155661549I agree, yes.
Was this the American equivalent of animé?
>>155639211continuing.https://www.artofthetitle.com/title/aeon-flux>Let’s talk a bit about the visual inspirations behind Æon Flux. While some have tried to describe the show as ‘anime’, it’s perhaps more accurate to call it avant-garde; its aesthetic drawing inspiration from the paintings and drawings of Egon Schiele and Jean “Moebius” Giraud. How were you first introduced to their work, and why do you feel that it left such a profound impact on you?>Peter: It’s a combination of the cinematic approach to directing animation that we see in Japanese animation. I’ve always loved Japanese animation since I was a kid, but one thing that’s always bothered me about it was the design of the characters. And I always wished, well, if you could have this kind of cinematic animation storytelling without this horrible cutesy character designs, that was something I wanted to see. I was looking at a lot of Moebius at the time, I had actually gotten to know him and work with him on a project early in my career. I really admired and was inspired by him as an artist. What I love about his approach to comics and graphic illustration in general is that it has a clarity to it. The term in French for that is “ligne claire”, which means clear line. The main practitioner of that was Hergé, the creator of Tintin. It’s a style that’s very descriptive, and what that means is approaching the subject with a certain amount of graphic neutrality.
>>155664448No. Some inspiration sure, but it has more of a French sensibility if anything.
>>155664604>Peter: I think of images on film not as visual elements, but as an event unfolding in time. The reason I chose animation as a medium is that it’s about the orchestration of how you’re using time and the progression of an event as much as it is about the composition, graphically speaking. You’re composing using time. And in order to do that, I think it’s important not to emphasize one graphic element over another. When I’m talking about elements, I’m talking backgrounds, props, characters; all those things have equal importance in conveying an event. It’s not just the character. A lot of times what you see in comics and Japanese animation are attempts to provide atmosphere with light and shadow, and I think that’s the wrong way to go about the medium. Drawings don’t have any lighting, that’s fake; you’re just simulating a light source. So it kind of defeats the purpose to try and play that game. You can do it and do it beautifully, but I’m more interested in being descriptive and less about atmosphere. My favourite filmmakers are like that, they’re very lights-on like Hitchcock and Kubrick. My favourite film is Jacques Tati’s Playtime and that epitomizes that approach: lights-on, descriptive, and very neutral. You’re not trying to obscure something in shadow and contrive mystery. There’s already mystery in the event itself. My stories have ambiguity, so I don’t want them to be ambiguous portrayals of an ambiguous event, I want them to be as clear a portrayal of an ambiguous event as possible.
>>155664617>Peter: What’s funny is that, very often people ask me, “Well, why couldn’t you just come out and be more linear or be more explanatory about what’s going on?” And then, they would come back and say, “This is what I got out of it, but I’m not sure.” Very often they actually understood it perfectly, they just had a doubt that that was what I was intending to convey. So the problem wasn’t that the filmmaking, storytelling, or direction was obscure, it was that the idea itself was unconventional and they weren’t expecting to see that. It’s very important for me to communicate an idea clearly. I’m really not making films for myself, I’m making them for an audience. Despite what some might say, you can’t really make films for yourself. It doesn’t make any sense. I think if someone says that, and genuinely means it, they don’t understand the medium they’re working in. Because film is a medium of mass communication, that’s why it exists. I can understand if that if it were with paintings and drawing, but the purpose of film is to project an idea to an audience. The reason why all the principles of filmmaking exist is because of how they affect an audience, not because it provides pleasure to someone through the act of the creative process.
If we ever get an Aeon Flux continuation, I’d like to see more of Monica.
>>155665881>If we ever get an Aeon Flux continuation We won't...
>>155644082DO
>>155634543Chung is a MASTER of perspective drawing
I want more adult action cartoons!!!
>>155658587Unfortunately I have no way of ripping the dvds.
In addition to the episodes, aeonfluxmodelpack, and The Herodotus File, there's also the Series Bible on archive.org. Here's a few pages.
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>>155672901All for now.
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>>155671485Okay>>155671530:)
>>155672901so many cool outfits in this show
>>155645241estupido
>>155668025Not with that attitude, anon.
>>155621737neat
>>155650955for (You)
>>155621737>You now remember Aeon Flux Do I have to... ?
>>155680486You will if you know what's good for ya
>>155657771What's Peter Chung been up to as of late?
>>155681573He talked to the Kayfabe guys a while back and I think he’s done some other YouTube shows. Always interesting to listen to.
>>155681976Ah cool, might have to search that one up. I'm sure he'd have TONS of wisdom to share
>>155684284where are her organs
What's the best way to watch all of Æon Flux these days?
>>155684496DVD
>>155684679Ah, okay.
>>155657771What's even on MTV nowadays? Last I remember, it was Ridiculousness 24/7.
>>155686528It's big bang theory reruns 24/7, technically not dead... but it's basically dead.
>>155687601Damn...
I just watched the first episode of this and it was pretty weird and trippy but I liked itIs there any voice acting at all? It's definitely a lot to take in
>>155691175You get voice acting in the ten Season 3 episodes when the series went from Liquid Television shorts to full length episodes.
>>155691202Interesting, I noticed the first couple of episodes (outside the pilot) are only a couple minutes long, is that right or is Internet Archive broken
>>155690272Secks
>>155691227Yes, season 2 is just shorts, and season 3 is when they did full length episodes
>>155672996My disc thingy on the computer is broken.
>>155694803#NeedTHAT
>>155621737I don't
Show used to scare me as a kid...
>>155649268He mus be drowning on young white pussy after becoming an animation legend in the 90s
>>155708527>>155707164This is the most unsexiest sex I have ever seen why boner
I can't believe we almost got a Peter Chung Cyborg 009 reboot
Can someone give a quick and dirty version of what the fuck Aeon Flux is about and it's lore that makes fucking sense without being hyper convoluted and vague as fuck?
Aeon Flux is the story of two people in a futuristic dystopian world. Originally conceived as a series of shorts that play out like a violent version of Spy vs Spy, with Aeon dying at the end of each short, it got picked up and turned into a series that lasted ten episodes. The series was infamous for it's lack of continuity or coherent lore. Some bits and pieces were established in a tie-in book but the book had a super low print run so hardly anyone read it. Combined with the bulk of it's revelations never appearing in the cartoon itself. While Aeon didn't die every episode, many an episode ended on a cliffhanger that never gets resolved/gets resolved off-screen. And one episode being so incoherent that Chung straight up said that fans can treat it as non-canon as they didn't know what the hell they were doing. Adding to this, when the show FINALLY got put out in full on DVD, the episides were divided up by director with Peter Chung's episodes on the first disc and co-director Howard Baker's episodes on episode two. To compensate, Chung admits that you can watch all but two episodes in any order you like: the only exception being Utopia or Deuteranopia (the first episode, created explicitly to appease MTV, who wanted a dialogue heavy episode to set up the premise/characters for viewers after the largely silent original first episode "The Demiurge" was rejected for being too confusing and aired later in the season instead, and End Sinister, which was the final aired episode of the show and gives a rather explicit end to the entire series. Problem with this, is that the writing for Trevor Goodchild is all over the place if UoD is the pilot, as most episodes of the series have Trevor not being President but working as a subordinate for the government, with Thanatophobia explicitly being written to set up Trevor going rogue and overthrowing the government in UoD
>>155709152The plot, which is never fully explained in the show, is that two city-states are at war. Bregna, which is where the show takes place in, is a giant dystopian city-state where a fascist government rules with an iron fist any has a border that has automatic security systems that maims anyone who tries to flee the place. It's rival is Monica, a city state we never outright see that is said to be a anarchist wonderland where everyone can do drugs, fuck whoever they want, and do whatever the fuck they want under the name of absolute freedom. As such the two city-states are in conflict, though the show has it be presented as a cold war type conflict with spies fighting for their country. Aeon is a Monican who is stationed in Bregna, running terrorist operations and sending back intel to her masters. The tie-in book reveal that by day she's a wealthy fetish model who does foot fetish photos for adult magazines, but this is only referenced in a blink and miss form in show during one of the shorts. She mostly spends her days trolling Trevor, who she is attracted to but finds him annoying with his obsession to make her a trade wife.
>>155621737Trevor did nothing wrong
>>155709276Trevor is a famous scientist who at some point becomes the leader of Bregna. Trevor is all over the place. Some episodes have him as a villain others as an anti-hero and others as a good person who does bad things for the greater good. Their rivalry is pretty much, Trevor does something involving super science that Aeon fucks up for her masters or because she's bored or to annoy Trevor. However, neither will kill each other because they both love each other but yet can't get together. Partly because of their different beliefs on the topic of order at any cost versus absolute freedom even if it means degeneracy, but also because Trevor wants Aeon to be a trade wife.
>>155622165>The Maxx may have stopped before the plot finished, and failed to explain some key plot details that are spelled out in the comic, but it was still a far more rewarding watch than Aeon Flux. Even with all of Sam Keith's navel-gazing dialogue.I will NOT argue with you that The Maxx animated series is some of the greatest edgy TV for me growing up and that Sam Kieth deserves to say whatever the fuck he wants..
>>155622165Been ages since I watched or read the Maxx, but IIRC the TV show did the western equivalent of "anime adaptation running out of manga source material to adapt and the producers knowing the show wasn't getting a second season, so they said fuck it and created an anime exclusive ending" thing and that fans preferred the cartoon ending over the comic ending, which is why the cartoon is so well loved and the comics just a forgotten footnote
>>155708756Did we really?
I feel like William Marston would’ve like Aeon Flux.
>>155711082I'm too lazy to dump all the pictures but it's all here:https://ishinomori-shotaro.fandom.com/wiki/Cyborg_009_(Western-animated_film)
>>155626726did you watch the original shorts from Liquid Television?
>>155622165Include me in the screenshot pls
>>155723344genuine cringe
>Aeon will never secretly molest you in your sleep.
>>155730335ew
>>155621737Cybersix looking ass with hair from that Gunsmith Cats girl.
>>155742833that is an old anime i can look forward to someday
>>155720571I'd love a new Æon Flux game.
>>155622165Long faces, close-ups of eyes, and the black leathers are disgusting, but faggots likes because was the first example of Western animation outside of Looney Tunes, Disney, Hanna-Barbera, CN and Nick.
>>155747149>the first example of Western animation outside of Looney Tunes, Disney, Hanna-Barbera, CN and Nick.This isn't even remotely true.
>>155747149You got your (You)s already, samefag. Don't get greedy now.
>>155744498I feel like if you gave Chung the reigns there he could create some cool open world environments for said game. Imagine getting to explore Bregna and Monica, and maybe even some other city-states we don’t know about.
I'm glad I got the series on PAL DVD.
>>155622200On what channel?
>>155754172MTV.
>>155750812The PS2 game based on the movie isn't bad. It is, however, let down by the fact that it's based on the movie.
>>155754553Yeah…that is a bummer. I’d like to see what a fully Chung overseen game would be like. Really I just want more Aeon Flux content in general and then only with Chung or people he’s selected running it.
what a great show great shorts great animation great character designs needs statues action figures trading cards other merch
>>155759420I think your style works better with 80s shows
>>155622165I very clearly liked it more than you did, but the fucking Riddick short was better.This site is clearly still Gen X faggots larping cultural authority.Actually the Millie Bobbie Brown threads told me that.Also Jimmy Carter and Reagan were both bottom tier presidents, TNNT peaked in 2003 with 9 watchable episodes, video games peaked the same year, the Matrix is about worshiping prostitutes and Michael Jordan is allowed to hate black people.
