Bronze Age comics thread.I want to start by saying I haven't really enjoyed 70s comics thus far. I prefer the 80s. What are your thoughts on the era, what do you think is the cutoff between this and the next era, and what are your favorite Bronze Age comics?
>>155641896Bronze Age/Post Crisis is were I started reading comics so I have a lot of fondness for it. It's not so far removed from the Silver Age wackiness but it has a more, I'm struggling for a word but let's just say "serious" tone and characters generally started to feel more human.As for a cut off date? I dunno. The ages thing was always a bit vague even years ago.
>>155641896>man-thingi read the omnibus because i specifically like man-thing. it was decent, but many things i've read from the 70s and 80s aren't that great specifically when it comes to capeshit.if you're talking about nemesis the warlock, sandman, watchmen, swamp-thing... things that are not capeshit, then stuff from the 70s and 80s is decent to good
>dcJonah HexThe New Gods>marvelConanDraculaHoward the DuckKa-ZarMan-ThingMarvel Two-In-One Namor The Sub-Mariner I need to read more Bronze DC and non-big two stuff. I had my best time reading the 1970s when going through Marvel.
>>155642120Watchmen is definitely a cape book, to its very core. It's comprised of different genres, but it's all for the purpose of presenting a very measured superhero tale.
>>155642148People like to point to the death of Gwen Stacy or Barry Allen but I think I might say the Bronze Age really got going with Conan actually. This was also roughly when the CCA started to loosen up too.
>>155641896its boring
>>155642192no the fuck it isn't dipshit
>>155642805Then explain.
>>155642805It has super powered characters dressed up in groovy costumes punching bad guys. It's a cape book. It doesn't stop being a cape book because Alan Moore is an ironic fart huffing asshole.
>>155642841Moore was a massive capeshitter when he wrote it.
>>155642277Why?
>>155642860Nope, stop talking out of your ass
>>155643801Oh, it's you, bot.
>>155642277Good time for Conan.
>>155645435Busiek Conan was better.
I have had an absolutely fantastic time with Bronze Age Batman. Specifically the 70s with Len Wein.I picked up the Jose Luis Garcia Lopez hardcover collection and also really enjoyed that. In general there seemed to be more one-off villains and random mobsters rather than everything being a supervillain scheme and I am continually reminded how much decompression and turning everything into a 6-12 issue storyline sucks.Crisis era (Moench and Barr) Batman is okay as well and I've enjoyed a lot of it but the episodic detective adventures of the 70s edge them out just a little.
>>155646185You suck cock by choice.
>>155646267You eat shit by choice.
>>155643779Because it actually felt different than what was being put out. Super hero comics might change tone but they're still super hero comics.
>>155642277>>155643779>>155647464Literally straight out of Wikipedia
>>155641896It's good. I like Englehart Batman.
>>155647965Englehart might be a creep with a cuck fetish but damn if he can’t write a decent story
>>155648466Never mind. I don't like it anymore.
>>155648624kek
>>155648968Who the fuck are you calling a kek, bitch?
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>>155650194Neither were comics back then
>>155650334Doh
>>155650194Nobody reads comics.
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>>155651840Thanks for your non-contribution, bot.
>>155651585Stop saying this stupid shit, especially after people have already posted about comics they read.
>>155652920No.
>>155649690lol
>>155641896Does Heavy Metal count?
>>155646222>and I am continually reminded how much decompression and turning everything into a 6-12 issue storyline sucks.A lot of the 70s and 80s one and done stories are incredibly simplistic and rushed though, with little to no impact or lasting memory. Especially some titles like Brave and the Bold etc. suffer from bare bones story with contrived plot elements and leaps in logic twist resolutions because you ran out of pages.
>>155654474No
>>155655065Why not?
>>155655278Why should it?
>>155655636It's cool.
>>155654825>incredibly simplisticNot the Batman stories that I've read.>Little to no impact or lasting memoryTell me with a straight face that you remember and care about the lasting impact of "The War of Jokes and Riddles", an 8 issue storyline.>Contrived plot elements and leaps in logic twist resolutionsCourt of Owls, Heroes in Crisis, Hush, and basically every other ripoff of Long HalloweenThe only difference between what you ascribe to 70s and 80s one shots and modern era decompressed garbage is that the shitty elements exist despite having 10 times as many pages so "you ran out of pages" is not really a viable excuse for why the story sucks.I don't think every 70s and 80s story was great but if your only critique of them are problems that still haven't been fixed despite turning every storyline into a 6+ issue mini-event then I'm not going to be convinced.Personally I think the sweet spot was 1-3 issues which you saw in titles like Legends of the Dark Knight and Batman Confidential.
>>155654825Haney's Brave and the Bold run is full of fun stories.
It's pretty meh
>>155654825Based on what I've read, it's not all one and dones, but they tend to have that pesky reintroduction taking up a page or two at the beginning of every issue. Constant breaking of momentum.>>155657822I think hacks existed in both eras. The sweet spot was achieved in the 80s and 90s.
>>155657822I remember way more about recent Batman runs that I do from the various showcase present collections I own that are full of single issue stories
>>155659056These stories were not written for trade, the majority of buyers would maybe pick up an issue every month, possibly even skipping months, and would need something to fill them in because they missed it or because it had been so long since they had read the last one that they had already forgotten what the story was about and they or their parents had already thrown it away.If you're reading multiple issues in a row, yeah, that's not how it was intended.
>>155659129Even if not reading them in a row, it gets irritating. It's a bad format regardless.
>>155659088Comics back then were disposable entertainment. Comics now try to be important stories that "matter," but they're not very entertaining.>>155659351It's fine if you only read one a day/week/month.
>>155659601And the entertainment value in those old disposable comics wasn’t always particularly high
>>155659813>>155659601They were also a quarter
>>155641896Mid 70s to mid 80s was my favorite era.
>>155659601>It's fine if you only read one a day/week/month.Nope.
>>155659601>Comics now try to be important stories that "matter,"They're not really trying, though.
>>155641896Nice. I will actually start my bronze age read-through in november and am looking forward to It.>cutoffmost common answers are always for Marvel the death of Gwen Stacy, and for DC Hard Traveling Heroes (so early 70s). For DC obviously it ends with the CoIE, dont know on the Marvel side thought, maybe it ends with Secret Wars? Not Very clear. I dont know much about the comics since I havent read most of em but from what I heard, some good stuff is:saga of swamp Thinghard traveling heroes pretty much anything iron man once michelinie takes overenglehart batman oneil BatmanCary bates flashmarv wolfmans new teen titansLeviz Legion of Super-Heroes Justice league satelite eraMiller's DaredevilConways Spiderman Alan Moores brief stint on Green LanternI'll add more if i remember
>>155659813you got what you paid for
>>155660585True.
>>155659979Sounds like you have attention problems.
>>155642824>then explainoh fuck that's on me, i thought that anon said sandman. i must have been tired or something, that was way off
>>155660577>most common answers are always for Marvel the death of Gwen Stacy, and for DC Hard Traveling Heroes (so early 70s).These are opinions expressed by people who haven't actually read many comics from either era. The shift in both tone and art at both companies started around 1968. Most comics by then didn't read anything like comics from the early 60s. Neal Adams got his start at DC in 1967 and he was a quintessential bronze age artist whose work didn't look like anything else on the stands at the time.Over at Marvel, their comics started getting explicitly political in 1968 and their quintessential bronze age artist was John Buscema, who got his start in 1967. He was a big leap in detail over Kirby, Ditko, and Heck.
>>155661053No worries.
>>155661247>their quintessential bronze age artist was John BuscemaIt should have been Steranko.
>>155663126Why?
>>155663964NTA, but Steranko's work is definitely more unique and experimental than Buscema, who's art is solid but very workmanlike. The problem is comics were a hobby to Steranko, and as soon as he got editorial pushback from Stan or Roy Thomas, he was out, it wasn't worth the bother.
>>155664026wow nice
The cutoff for the end should be Miller's Daredevil.
>>155666316It does feel like a paradigm shift in that the comics from Marvel needed to reach the same plateau that Miller did on Daredevil, and it seemed like nobody was able or willing to achieve that, so everything after from a quality standpoint seems irrelevant. It at least feels like DC kept trying to do better and better as the 80's wore on, but not Marvel.
>>155664804Yeah, not to take anything away from Buschema, but Steranko could be on a different level.
>>155666350>it seemed like nobody was able or willing to achieve that, so everything after from a quality standpoint seems irrelevantNow that I'm thinking about it, there really isn't anything for some time, though there was Moore's brief run on Captain Britain with Alan Davis, which was a more action-packed prototype of Moore's career at DC.
>>155661022No, I just don't have memory problems.
>>155668190That you're aware of
>>155661022Quite the opposite, my autistic friend.
>>155668214hyper fixation is a sign of autism
>>155668265>hyperfixationit's also a sign of focus and resolve. if it's part of your career or maintaining a goal, it's seen as acceptable. the moment it's subjective and an action isn't viewed as "socially acceptable", then you call it "autism"
