That's it? They really don't like writing them romantically. Underwhelming ending for MJ and Peter two events in a row.
>>155663144So MJ is completely powerless now?
>>155663144They will do a slow burn then pull the rug out from under them again. These clowns are so tiresome.
>>155663144MJ and Peter are so lame at this point.
The Ross and Rachel of comics.Used to have so much heart and soul.
>>155663144Ok so now that the venom era is over, what's next for MJ? First she got turned into Red Sonja, then Spider-woman during spider-Island, then Iron Spider, Then Jackpot and now is done with Venom. What super power should the next hack writer give her next? Maybe a pair of Nega Bands or the Mandarins rings or some cosmic radiation. Maybe she'll get an X gene like Black Cat. O, maybe she's been a travelling clone of Madelyne Pryor this whole time.
>>155663144Cool, can't wait to see her being a bipolar bitch again in six months' time.
>>155663764Be a podcast host for the superhero community, be the bridge between the civilian world and cape world she used to be before the hacks spun their wheels because writing MJ is a lost technology to that office.
>>155663459IT'S ABOUT YOUUUUUUUUTHMUH GWEEEEEEN
>>155663810I wonder if the angle that the editorial is going for this time around is MJ being a Peter orbiter/glazer without ever actually dating him or if they'll just continue letting writers make her look like an absolute schizo
>>155663299no she has a shard of the venom symbiote with her.
MJ's boring.
>>155663459They've been neutered to shit, anon. Maybe after Kelly's run, they'll be allowed to be a couple again, but OMD until either the OMD cabal finally fucks off or Disney forces them to walk the entire thing back.
>>155663459>>155664065>but OMD won't be undone*Fuck, I messed up my message.
>>155664065Being a couple for them means nothing as they are one Wells away from being on the oust again for contradicting reasons. Spencer proclaiming them unbreakable before the start of the Wells run was a real masterstroke by the office of Lucy football pulling.This cabal can't write romance for shit, or really at all. There is a gravitational pull for the standard schlock drama plots because Lowe is artistically bankrupt.
ADDRESS ME
>>155663144Full spoilers, please!!What happened? I need all details!!>>155663947Luckily, it will grow into a whole new symbiote eventually. MJ's outfit as Female Venom was too good to dump it so fast. (As long as she didn't wear the teeth and tongue).
>>155664133p. sure it'll live on as a standalone design getting reused in gacha stuff or 'special appearances' the same way iron spider still shows up now and then
>>155663144No arm around her? No kiss? Where's the romance? LAME!
>>155664156no tears only paul now
>>155663144Land?
>>155664108I think they realize that the shit they pulled during the Wells run won't slide anymore; at worst, they'll have a mutual breakup, which isn't great, but it's way better than whatever the fuck happened in Wells' run.
>>155664156They can't make them a couple outside the mainline book because Lowe.MJ can break up with Jared Fogle outside ASM, but it's important no romantic milestones are in ASM.You wouldn't want fucking Kelly writing them anyway, he's fucking shit with MJ.Far better for characters to be ignored for years than be under the pen of an apathetic or exploitative writer.
>>155664183They learnt nothing, they are in open denial still that they did anything wrong and that it is the audience who was wrong. Hence that goddawful sweeping in the park by Ewing carrying water and ignoring everything actually wrong about Dead Language.
>>155664155Come again?
>>155664200Yeah, but them not wanting to admit they wrote a rape story isn't the same as them doing a repeat of the Wells' run.
>>155664211who do you think I am, the virgin mary?
>>155663144Should've been Carol.
Is it too late to make MJ made of Hydro?
>>155664245They retconned Peter and MJ's entire marriage anon, nothing's too late to be retconned
>>155664245literelly less worse than the people wanting paul to be a demon or an agent of mephisto since that would mean mary jane was fucking a demon for the duration of 4-time-dillated years
>>155664242>CarolWho's she dating now again? Rhodey?
>>155664255They have used MJ as venom and are giving her a new mini-series. We're getting a little long in the tooth to make her hydro.Is the office aware you can't just ignore what happened like they could Sins Past for years? That we have had two consecutive character ruining runs and there comes a point you're paying a true reputational toll?
I miss MJ's wild 60's dialogue, and how she would make a bee-line for music and dancing.This dour stepmother act is pretty much her worst nightmare come to life, she has lived her worst nightmare and isn't allowed to be upset about it.
>>155664278Again, they retconned their entire marriage, nothing is too entrenched for Marvel to retcon
>>155664276Eddie Brock.
>>155664303That's bullshit but I want to believe it because it's hilarious.
>>155664274Paul doesn't even necessarily have to be a demon anon, he can just be a regular human that's consciously or unconsciously serving Mephisto's schemes
>>155664044When you write a character as a third wheel, like in All New Venom, you get a boring MJ. When put anyone next to Quirk Chungas Black Cat they become the "Straight Man", and you get a boring MJ.She is treated boring so she is written boring.
>>155663764She needs to hook up with Norman so she can complete the trifecta of being a Spider, Symbiote, and Goblin.
>>155663947Can the shard cover her entire body?
>>155664300They should, they could, but they won't is my point anon. They are doubling downIt's very possible if not likely this entire era is going to be retconned with the BND cabal are finally taken behind the shed for their Shed moment, but until then it's canonical MJ chose Jared Fogle repeatedly over Peter because reasons.
>>155664313MJ used to be fun, MJ written well IS fun. This is the extrovert to Peters introvert, both of them with complementing masks that know each-other.She's a lost technology to the office because they hilariously don't know how to write women better than guys in the 1960's.
>>155664322No and it's only for the dumb mini before it gets slurped up by Eddie again.
>sounds familiar?How the fuck do you say something like that to Peter and get away with it?Ewing your apology was an abomination.
>>155664327I know they are, my point is that they've done this shit before and for something that was far more entrenched and far more popular, so retconning the past 5-10 years of MJ's character (depending on when hypothetical retcon happens) isn't gonna be that drastic, and I don't even like the idea of MJ being a Hydro clone this whole time, I much prefer her just being manipulated by Mephisto during all this
>>155664363The problem with manipulation is that the office then has to deal with the rape implications they desperately backed away from because then they really have done Avengers #200 again. They will burn down the entire ongoing before doing that, so they are sacrificing MJ's character by saying this woman with full agency(?) chose Jared over and over, and completely refuse to let us read her thoughts or motivations because they themselves don't know.It's funny how often this era of MJ is just her looking wistfully out of a window, this was the strawman critique of the marriage years but this has been MJ when not ignoring her adopted son or being ignorant that her other adopted children don't fucking exist.
You know what’s my controversial take I judge authors harshly on how they can write women or the opposite sex
>>155664413You should.It's half the population and it's a great barometer on whether they can write Human dynamics.
>>155664407Which is why I don't expect it to happen until after the current editorial retires/gets fired (shame Lowe's moving to California), at best we'll get shit like MJ offhandedly saying that Paul wasn't a good boyfriend or her rescinding her statements about Peter and Paul being similar
Oh my God, just commit to MJ having powers. How many times are we going to do this?
>>155664449They have to put all the toys back in the toybox, nothing can change, nothing can progress, everything has to remain stagnant
Depower and bring back the civilian cast.Kill or move out all Spider-Man knock-offs.BND delenda est.
>>155663144>a thread died for thisshe's irrelevant and you know it already.
>rescinding her statements about Peter and Paul being similarIs she ever going to elaborate on how? She's done it twice and I truly come up with nothing beyond science.Paul made a active choice not to put on any costume and fight crime, anyone could wear the Jackpot device, so he's not feeling the same responsibility for killing his world than Peter is for not stopping that mugger. He delegated to imperiling his mentally unwell girlfriend like a real tech bro.
>>155664499why do you have to put things in such a hurtful way like that and spite our fellow marywhorekekbros, how did things get so bad and such contempt and disdain breed in our fanbase it just isn't fair bros...
>>155664519I think it was science and Peter's guilt over saving Uncle Ben being the same as Paul's guilt over causing a genocide, in other words for retarded reasons
>>155664540MJ using his guilt to 'win' an argument.Wells really showing his contempt.
>>155663764She should be Spider-Man's wife.
>>155664413MJ has not been written well for a while
So what's going to be announced at NYCC that'll make Spideyfags happy?
>>155664601More will they won't they Ross and Rachel b8ing
>>155664601this was probably about zdarsky's avengers touching on one more day.
>>155664601>I know you're feeling tired>but look at this nice carrot floating in front of you
>>155664601brevoort and lowes resignation and suicide
>>155664610>Touching on OMD>Not doing anything about itI doubt that'll make Spidey's fans happy.
>>155664449Peter needs fewer superpowered people in his life, not more.
>>155664597MJ can be written 'well' in a vacuum, but it has to be fully and willfully ignorant of all the contradictory nonsense she has said and been put through since OMD.Until the next generation comes in, writers have to make sense of the spaghetti of motivations and careers she's adopted as they failed to write her off and failed to give her something to do that was coherent.
>>155664641>it will still take a while
>>155664659>ie until the next generation without the sunk-cost fallacy and ego comes in to torch everything, we'll continue to bait the cure to what we called your medicineBrevoort, Lowe and everything BND is a tumour.
>>155664659It'd be hilarious if the news turns out to be 'OMD might be undone in the years to come' and nothing else.
>>155664675Now that it's confirmed that Brevoort and Lowe are moving to L.A. with Marvel's HQ, it feels like nothing more than somebody higher up the Marvel food chain straight up firing them will get them to leave at this point.
>>155664689>we have to wait until Brevoort is actually retired because otherwise we have to deal with his walk-out tantrums even more
>>155664689>'OMD might be undone in the years to come'Well, this was all Spencer's run amounted to and everyone ate it up and demanded seconds, so you better believe they'll stretch it out to fuck when they decide to go for it for real for serious this time
>>155664700Brevoort is a few years from retirement and is content to sit and spin, despite openly decrying the medium as an IP farm.Lowe is the longest serving ASM editor, does not enjoy positive fan reception or engagement thanks to all that enragement, but this industry is all he knows. He leaves this niche he's a small fish, and he's the youngest by far of all the BND cabal.
>>155663144For twenty more years of OP's tears of impotence.
>>155664708>so you better believe they'll stretch it out to fuck when they decide to go for it for real for serious this timeWill they try to do something as nuclear as Wells' run again, though?
>>155664730I don't think so. They've been dealing with all of the scorched earth that run left readers doing halfway measures they pretend will be effective apologies. They probably miscalculated just how hard they could do a 180º on a previous run and walk away relatively unscathed.
>>155664751The toybox thing has always been an aspirational thing but it's well and truly fucked right now, Lowe doesn't understand the purpose of restraint or the arc words "and what about next week?"
>>155664751So basically another romcom 'will they, won't they' situation
>>155664765Do you think Lowe will try to salvage his reputation by trying to prop up Peter and MJ together or has he accepted that everyone hates him
>>155664765this guy was more or less brought up in the same regime that killed off spider-man for a couple years and replaced him with doctor octopus and saw the book continue to sell without any need of short term reversal, so pretty sure in his mind the only thing that stuck was "we didn't go far enough"
>>155664805The Q&A's are always neutered rinsed events, I think one of the consequences of enrage to engage is they fear their audience.
So there is actually an interest dynamic here. Will they build on it as a means for them to grow together as characters or will it be the cause for another separation. I think most authors will go down MJ saying "I need more time" but that's just her running away again. I am concerned about MJ becoming more like Zendayas dour Daria Morgandoffer.
>>155664851We are so fucking far from her strengths as a character.Also Peter you've seen her fucking violent before, you know it's in her. God can we have some CONFLICT and COMMUNICATION between them again? Not just silod for the trade piecemeal with Peter being a doormat.
>>155664851They'll just tease them getting back together without ever actually committing to it.
>>155664851MJ running away and being just a matching nub of a character to Peter's nub of a character is fitting.They have both lost their souls to OMD, regressed from shit they had solved decades before so hacks get to write it again but worse.They are like the foolish cartoon comedy protagonists that never learn anything.
Knull got his ass whooped by this bitch btw
If only MJ died instead of Gwen Stacy. Damn you Conway!!!!
>>155664902Rise of Skywalker ass ending.
Leaks are out for QIB.Ewing needs a restraining order on anything Spider-Man and Symbiote, unholy shit.
>>155663764Carnage Gwen is right around the corner.
>>155664947The Cormac fight is ass as well. Embarrassing.
>>155664952oops meant Carnage MJ. fuck it I won't delete the post since I still have a 50/50 chance to be right.
>>155664851>I don't believe that's in you, MJ
>>155664721Faggot lol
>MJ mentions the fake kids, Paul and Dylan among her loves, joys and sorrowsNigga didn't even cry over Paul at his funeral and barely interacted with Dylan
>>155664902It's ok, Knull is such a poochie character that deserve this humiliation tenfold
>>155664970>cut to MJ shooting at Goblin and swinging a bat at Chamelon and-Saint Peter please be aware of this woman you have known and put a baby in,, you used to know each-other pretty well.
>>155664976Ten more years.
>>155664980Ewing is just trying to put a bow on the stinker that was his run.They won't be mentioned ever again.
>>155664991I like how if you take OMIT is canon then MJ and Peter had a baby even though they both swore that they would only have children after marriage
>>155665005Good little piggie lmao
>>155664980>owen and romyWHY?HOW IS THIS HEALTHY?THEY WERE CHAINS ON YOUR MIND YOU STUPID BINTTHIS IS WORSE THAN THE WANDA SHIT
>>155665022Ewing's a retard.
>>155664962Carnage Gwen and Venom MJ battle it out against uhhh Antivenom Felicia
>>155664980It still feels baffling to mention the fake kids but not her real kid that died
>>155665067Why did that nigga Quesadilla have to write OMIT in the first place? Now we have to deal with this shit
>>155665065We already had Gwenom vs Carnage Emjay in the first King in Black event, we don't need a rehash.
>>155664065No, this is marvel realizing they went too far toying with what little paying, not collectors, actual book readers they got. Yidsney was just reminded the IP is a powerhouse that exists far above capeshit's death and now suits are grilling them on how the #1000 hallmark is struggling to measure up to a regular Edgeshit Batman issue. Marvel could make a whole dance and song tomorrow with a press release about marrying the two on top of Mephisto's cold corpse with zero catches, and sales or "engagement" wouldn't budge. The damage is done, no one gives a shit about anything that happens to ASM, MJ, or even Peter himself at this point. All the other inflammatory shit they tried fell on deaf ears too, no one even knows MJ was Venom, that's how over things are.
>>155665067Did May ever get named?Also yes that's beyond insulting. This is just Ewing trying desperately to milk something from the Paul saga other than cum.
>>155665095OMIT pisses me off more than OMD does
>>155665118OMIT was unrestrained character assassination of MJ because Quasimodo wanted to shunt all blame onto her.It just makes them both look ridiculous.
>>155665108Why does he think milking anything about Paul other than him being humiliated and killed will net him anything?
>>155664851Mate, the MCU synergy doesn't even fucking affect the mainline Spider-Man comics outside from superficial things because they would actually kill Aunt May after the PS4 game and NWH did it, alongside freeing us from OMD and the BND crew bullshit already.
>>155665143I wonder if it an editorial mandate to not acknowledge how fucked the whole situation was or if Ewing challenged himself to redeem the most hated character in the history of Spider-Man.
>>155665143He tried/was ordered to do a writing exercise to 'redeem' Paul, acknowledging from the start he would likely fail.And he did. And he took much of the run with him like a black hole that sucked the life out of anything else. Every panel that was him and not MJ/Venom dynamics was a waste of a perfectly good premise.
>>155665022If the kids were meant to bind MJ, and then paul and MJ had sex, doesn't that mean that raped her.
>>155665162Yes but don't think or talk about that Spoffice is very embarrassed about their Avengers #200 sequel and don't want you to think too much about the words and situations they put to paper.
>>155665162Shh, stop reading between the lines, anon.
>>155664519They won't because the fucking editorial wants to forget anything related to Paul and his stupid fake kids with only Ewing is mentioning him meanwhile the rest ignore this retarded bullshit if they can.
>>155665192I have no clue why Ewing is choosing to mention them now at the tail-end of a complete spaghetti of an event. They barely got any mention throughout ANV because of how ridiculous they are and the implications they have for MJ and her mental state.
>>155665105I feel like absolute Batman is an edgy space marine. Maybe marvel should make MJ an adeptus astartis next.
>>155665125For me it's not just that or even the retcons themselves. It's the way they cut and paste pages and panels from the original wedding annual. Literally cutting out panels and inserting in new ones to negate the original point of that story. It's insulting on every possible level
>>155665218Your average 40k protagonist is unironically far less morally bankrupt than your average Marvel hero these days.Titus or Dante aren't making any deals with the devil.
>>155665233Quamingo was just going full Scipio with the salted earth here.
>>155665192>>155665205This is why they need to retcon paul, some one will always bring him up with equivilance to Peter, whenever they want to have drama between peter and MJ he will be brought up, paul is not going away.
>>155665281I dunno, they know that Paul is too radioactive a character to bring up at this point, even the small mentions posted here are despised by fans.
>>155665233Joe Quesadilla doesn't give a fuck about anything he doesn't personally like. Every retcon or status quo change he's involved in is disrespectful as fuck to the fans and previous creators.
They undo omd but peter and mj don’t get back together because they realize how much pieces of shit they are
>>155665281Sins Past haunted Gwen for how long? And compare how comparatively short that never referenced until retcon arc was to the length and drive of the Paul Saga.Twice as long as Gwen was alive. Twice as long as the Clone Saga.They treat the medium and run like it's disposable and the audience like they have amnesia, it's just the editors showing how since OMD the characterization and care has gotten so very shallow.
>>155665322They'll see the memories they had before they made the deal and they'll wonder what the fuck happened to the people they used to be
>>155665305It's because they are retarded. Owen and Romy? Why are they mentioned? What were those therapy sessions about if not coming to terms with Rabin's manipulation and how unhealthy it was?
>>155665105Pretty much, the BND crew circlejerk end up just pissing a lot people especially in a era where social media and piracy exists, they can't do "enrage to engage" tactic anymore because anyone who cares about mainline Spider-Man stopped buying the comic books after being burned too many times. Also anyone who likes Spider-Man just go for the adaptations, alternate universes and games of the character in order to get their Spider-Man fix, because i have seen more people hyped about Midnight Spider-Man than for #1000 due not being tied to the bullshit mandates of Spider Office.
>>155665362It's because the mainline universe is cancer and should be fucking nuked to oblivion
>>155664344We don’t know yet. It responds to her thoughts and is the anti-carnage material.So it’s possible it can give MJ a thin layer costume.
>>155665104>>tfw the bigger my shitpost is the more likely it's already happened
>>155665362>seen more people hyped about Midnight Spider-Man Took some time but I’m kinda giving it to pkj man knows how to advertise his new series
>>155665414Everybody hated VenoMJ and it flopped horribly. This'll get swept under the rug ASAP.
>>155663764She’s literally Anti-Carnage now. (Venom’s parting gift)Just like Flash is Anti-Venom.She’ll revive a good costume.
>>155665437^she’ll receive a good costume
>>155665362It's not surprising, ASM as it is under the current editorial is a lost cause.
>>155665105There's one way to save ASM.I'm not crazy about it either, but it's their best shot.Make Peter date Jean.
>>155665429Nope. It will continue to keep MJ safe.
>>155664703I guarantee you they'd much rather resurrect Gwen for real the instant Breevort leaves
If they gave Paul a Heel turn it would involve raping Mary Jane. Cormac received a heel turn in record time because it didn't involve raping aunt may. He tried to help the woman he thought was his mother, I bet that's where his memory tech comes from.
Since Peter's still 28, does that mean he's a zoomer?
>>155665523>Cormac received a heel turn in record time because it didn't involve raping aunt mayHe is literally mind raping aunt may, what Paul would have done to MJ if they told the story as intended. This is what i find so funny abut this. GUYS, I THINK THEY REPLACED PAUL WITH CORMAC.
>>155663144Paul was fine. He, MJ and the kids should have stayed together as background characters that almost never appear. And Peter should have moved on with his life and get a new romantic interest.
>>155665634Thanks Nick! Great work on ASM 1000.
>>155665639My name is Joe, actually.
>>155663764Mary Jane gets sent off-world and stuck on a planet of the ludomaniacal tiger-people.It's a clear parody of Planet Hulk, but the setup is MJ working as a dealer and constantly having to say "you just hit the jackpot" to a bunch of tigers with gambling addictions.
>>155665705...Then she cheats on Peter with a tiger dude?
>>155665281The editorial won't do that due one of the reasons being Paul is that radioactive as character, but another reason is that they hate taking accountability for their fuck ups until they no choice to admit their part. I don't see the current editorial addressing how much of a piece of shit Paul is due that reason alone until new creatives take over and shit on the current editorial for their fuck ups.
>>155663144>>155664156Idk, head rest is somewhat romantic.
