How did the industry forget how to draw over 20 years?
Let's see AI's version.
>>155665945they don’t believe in drawing principles, just vibing with gay social groups that over 99% of the American population don’t participate in whatsoeverTake their 2010s anime references for instance. They storyboarded them in and artist peers went “oh cool!” But audiences didn’t care aside from the occasional gay zoomer. In order for something like an FLCL reference in Steven Universe to actually hit as an audience experience, it needs to be drawn and written well. Compare to the gazillion biblical references in works like Halo, Looney Tunes, Shakespeare, etc that are done well (and everyone knew the Bible On Top of being done well)
>>155665945blame this guy for making computers making everything too convenient and on the cheap
>>155665945Left one requires skilled artists, right one does not, allowing for far cheaper production costs. Right one is therefore better because it increases company profits.
Popular animations such Family Guy, Adventure Time, Gumball and Rick and Morty taught artists that people will eat up anything even if it looks like shit as long as you make it colorful
Animation is a degree you buy not learn. Too many rich baby students who don't want to put in the effort to actually create. You see it now with "authors" who don't want to read or think big words are unfair.
>>155665945Profit motive. Why are you blaming animators when this is an issue of resources, time crunch, and funding? Fucking retard.
>>155665978>>155666012>>155666311>>155666331>>155666336>>155666469Fucking retards. I refuse to believe you are interested enough in network television animation enough to respond to this without knowing that quality goes down to save time and money to make more profit. It's not even about making back what you put into it with some extra left over, it's about making more profit from Q1 to Q2 because that's what investors want.
>>155665945Another example
>>155665945America has been undergoing a nation wide process of enshittification for over 2 decades now.
>>155665945>Why did the execs refuse to give animators enough time to draw over 20 years?FTFY
>>155666701This. The fun meme of tumblr libs just not knowing how to do it when it doesn't matter, animation is shipped overseas, and you can see how even the SU pilot is completely different and not "calarts" despite being made by the most tumblr calarts animator in existence. It takes brain damage not to see it. It's been years, just watch the pilot.
>>155666526Shut up commieAI is going to silence you all soon considering how Cheap and Capable it is for creating the dreams of actually competent artists
>>155666753>muh commiesYou're conceding the point. It doesn't matter what your favorite economic policies are, this is the result of profit motive. There's no denying that. You're going to ignore that when it suits you, look back at SU while ignoring the pilot because you're a postmodern misanthrope.
>>155666663The change can also be seen in the lack of womanly offerings in modern cartoons.
>>155666787No I’m not because the same artists crying “we just need funding!!” refuse to use AI. AI tears away their bullshit and shows they have no real potential for it to work with. If they meant what they said they would be eager for another round of massive cost savings like digital animation was.Clearly you don’t actually know how to think, just find an angle for parroting Marx in every situation.
>>155666802What does that mean? How would that impact the shape of Tweety's beak?
Epstein did this
>>155666816"WB if a profit motivated company with that has budgets and schedules" isn't Marx, it's reality. Why is there such a difference between the SU pilot and SU the series after it gets a time slot on CN?
>>155666821Taz-Mania has fuckable women, modern cartoons do not.
>>155666663The one on the right was by the guy who made the Henry and June segments of Kablam.
>>155666012>>155666753>>155666816kill yourself guy
>>155666488Yes, yes (you) are.Waste of dubs.
>>155666488Corporations are greedy and obsessed with money, that's why they make bad movies that lose money
>>155667061terrible
>>155667363The subject is quality of drawing/animating. You retards can't explain why without a time crunch and a budget, a calarts tumblr dyke can animate the SU pilot better by herself than the teams of Koreans that animate SU the show after it gets the greenlight.
>>155665945A woman was in charge of the image on the right.
>>155666663Right was a movie made for pre-schoolers hence the childish artstyle. It's not a bad movie either.The Bandicoot girl MC was nice. Crash Bandicoot, eat your heart out.
if you check for the biography of good animators, they are bored kids that start drawing at 6 and animate at 10 with friends. Current society doesn't really make that shit possible anymore. Drawing still happens but people now have panic attacks when you criticize them there is no drive to betterment for most kids.Note that it's not just art, science and any activity that isn't being a cyber whore, a cyber beggar or a ball hitter is gonna pressured out of you by society.
>>155666839>”Companies make profit, therefore Marxism” is not logicYou people get a hard on from overwhelming the psyches of kids with sophistry, then project the pedophilia on someone else>>155667089Raped, bitch.>>155667459The pilot isn’t that much fucking better shut the fuck up
>>155665978
Funny how no one is comparing Wabbit and the Looney Tunes Cartoons from 2020
>>155669775No one cared just like how no one cares about this show.
>>155665945Looney Tunes Cartoons is divisive here but it had a lot of talented cartoonists working on it. It’s just clear that they couldn’t get the same talent for that beanmouth Tweety shit.
>155665978Yeah hold up let me squeeze out a fat wet dump, should be a pretty good approximation.
>>155666753If you were a competent artist you would be able to create competent work without asking AI to make it for you pretty please.
>>155666012Heaven doesn't let people like you in
>>155669948I make art. I don’t have the time to create art for all my series. I spend a lot of time each day currently on the bus, which is an unstable drawing environment. But perfectly fine for using AI.You folks don’t understand 1. Having a big vision 2. Doing everything on your own without a big social group to help or company to cover everything besides 1 narrow job (which is probably scribbling storyboards to be sent to Korea)
>>155670042Why didn't he just take one of the mana potions in the third panel?
>>155670042This comic is disjointed and the style clashes with the substance. I get that SI (Trump changed the name and won't answer questions about the thing he and his friends and family have invested in) makes content easily, but it's artificial as in you're tricking us into thinking you're a tasteless weeb who doesn't know how to arrange dialogue in a panel and focuses way too much on the detailed hair of your uninspired cast. You're tricking us into thinking you're not stealing and just finding things with a Google search.
>>155669630The SU pilot is better than the product made with CN funding which proves that these tumblrinas are better artists and animators than what the WB execs are asking for. That simplified style isn't the extent of their work and talent, it's the product execs are demanding and paying for.It's fun to blame the tumblr dykes, they're more accessible and more on the front of culture war, but it's crazy to ignore who has the real power, who is demanding this style and why.
>>155670255Keep telling yourself your union crap and your skills will keep rotting until you won’t be able to do anything as good as what you used to do, as happened to Sugar It’s a pedophile sleight of hand game to go bouncing back and forth between “budgets have an impact on how animation turns out” and “Rebecca sugar’s whole crew would be Chuck Jones tier animators if execs weren’t greedy” to overload kid brains with sophistry. Chuck himself was iconic regardless of budget.>>155670100Probably because of his spooky powers but AI didn’t make them look spooky enough.
>>155666753why's he missing a finger
>>155670374Nice series of non-sequiturs, retard. You can't argue with these facts.Here's one for you: The right spent the last 10 years pretending to care about art and mastery in opposition to these calarts faggots but now it's proving they're the laziest, most tasteless fucks imaginable because everything they hate about modern cartoons is a product of WB appeasing investors. It's all just misanthropy in this race to the bottom. You have no values and you don't value anything. But you really want to say something, you really want to be part of the solution but you're too fucking dishonest and stupid to figure out anything or make anything coherent. So now it's all just "uh whatever SI will just do the thinking for me" for the rest of your life.
>>155665945The industry didn't. Americans did. Even when I went to art school in the 90s the teachers there were already complaining about how there's so few young people who know how to draw in modern times. They blamed video games and education and culture's focus on sports. And that was 30 years ago. It's gotten exponentially worse since then with the internet and cellphones. For every 1000 boys who likes to bounce a basketball or throw a football, there's like 1 boy who cares about drawing.
>>155665945Breadwinners style in 2026?
>>155665945It's mentioned in the opening of the animator's survival kit but it isn't taught correctly and the knowledge is eventually lost.
>>155670042You don't make art the AI does And if you didn't make your own art why would people to care about your stuff?
The industry has been slowly grooming audiences to just accept trash animation since the late 90s. It's all profit motivated.There are zoomers on this board right now who prefer the look of that diarrhea on the right. And you know I'm right.
>>155665945They didn't you just don't like the new schtoyle.
>>155671161>2022
>>155665945CalArts
>>155670042>I make art. I don’t have the time to create art
>>155671595That's what we in the business deligate our mooks to refer to as a power move.
>>155666663They're both bad.
>>155666526So capitalism is to blame
>>155669630This shit is generic and soulless thobeit
>>155665978>>155665945At this rate, western artists will be replaced.https://x.com/antrofrog_/status/2103854300799565967
>>155671970I don't know how AI fags did it but they are more insufferable than artists and cyclists combined.
>>155672023Yeah, if people just supported modern cartoons, we wouldn't be in this situation to begin with. But everyone just had to be a chud bigot.
>>155671970I can see the logic of the prompt, "guy does thing with umbrella" but in action you can see how lazy the prompter is as he posts this as a finished piece despite its obvious flaws. Most of what you're seeing needs to be done with the hook end of the umbrella, it's a series of animation errors and awkward scenes.I get it's displaying how anyone can replace animators now, but what we're seeing is the work of animators and illustrators training the search result without credit or compensation and now it's all just trite, derivative, and nonsensical. It's slop for retards made by retards.
I love how all you faggots in the thread are just ignoring >>155669858There are talented animators in the current industry. They just either get treated like shit or have to storyboard for beanblob riggedslop like those animators in the 80s who had to trace model sheets on Filmation slop to pay bills. The modern industry wastes good talent cause they like going cheap.
>>155672147It's not support, it's financialization. If the growth isn't there and there are means to replace workers, they're going with it.
>>155670042>make artYou don't make shit
>>155667040Would.
>>155672219>It's not support, >it's financialization. >Its not>ItsAnon, I...
>>155672443What's the problem? You can support something with interest and art, but ultimately investors don't want cartoons to just keep the lights on and turn a profit, they want SpongeBob money. That post implied there just wasn't any support.
>>155671202>>155671595>>155672271>claim to be creative>spam little phrases like you’re still mentally stuck in a deranged version of childhood AI generates from my projects, which make it mine. Just as if I hired a human artist, his work based on my projects would be mine.>>155671903It’s concept art dude. If I got concept art from the industry it would all be Beanmouth, pseudoanime, soft pastel toothlessness, or other crap I won’t use.
>>155673356>If I got concept art from the industry it would all be Beanmouth, pseudoanime, soft pastel toothlessness, or other crap I won’t use.You're either trolling or retarded.
>>155673356Most of the slop you post is pseudoanime.
>>155673507>incoherent babble>>155673544I mean specifically the gross Voltron style you gigantic ignoramus. Not anything evocative of anime.
>>155673544Now that I think about it, the West doesn't have many mecha/robot cartoons besides Transformers.
>>155673356>>155673621Btw I also point out what the answer from leftists to seeing someone is impoverished (a lot of time on the bus) is: not charity or compassion, just trying to dominate him because he showed he’s vulnerable, like a common predator.
>>155673621Your slop doesn't look any better though.
>>155665945The industry hired substantially more women, who are no where near as likely to be workaholic perfectionists as men.
>>155673811projecting, nobody brought up your sad hobby of genning slop on the bus until you did and injected homoerotic fantasies into it
>>155673935Mary Blair > Looney Tunes animators
>>155674080The women of today's industry are not the women of the industry's past. The same goes for the men, too.
>>155675545We call them DEI hires.
