>I AM TIRED OF YOU, AND YOUR RIDDLES, AND YOUR LESSONS, AND YOUR SUPREME ARROGANCE! DON'T YOU EVER, EVER, ENTER MY LIFE AGAIN! DO YOU HEAR ME?! DO YOU HEAR ME!
>>155665953No. Peter losing his temper and flying off the handle very much was his character. Frankly it's something that's been sorely missing from the books for a very long time.
>>155665987its because it was toned down after he graduated high schoolwhich retroactively made his angry teen phase into just his teenage machismo that he eventually grew out of
>>155665953Considering she says "Mary Jane is alive, but you must find her" I'd still be pissed.
>>155666007No, it was a thing up through the 90's, it was toned down when Quesada became EiC.>This page is when Peter was in college
>>155665953No? Peter being a belligerent hothead was a core part of his character from the start. Obviously, he mellowed out some after he matured, but he retained a mean streak whenever he felt that he was being fucked with, and he was most certainly being fucked with in this scene. Cryptic mystical crap tends to be badly received even in the best of days..The last few decades went too far though, and turned him into a completely spineless bitch. At this point even his quips are like 80% just shitting on himself. It's just sad to watch.
>>155666007>its because it was toned down after he graduated high schoolNot really. He was flying off the handle all through the 80s and 90s. I'd say in some ways he got worse.
Peter gets dealt a bad hand all the god damn time and he gets UPSET about it, he blows a fuse like any regular human being would. It's weirder if he DOESN'T.This is a common sight in the early comics, and once you realize how toned down it is in more modern renditions you can't UN-realize it.
>>155666092Is he stupid?
>>155666114Kind of.
>>155666058It's more befitting of "great responsibility" that he maintains virtuous patience and never gets furious unless really pushed to his emotional limit
>>155666142yeah but that's not how people work.
>>155666142I really dislike the sanitization of Spider-Man's character for the sake of making him an inspirational paragon of virtue. He can still be plenty heroic and inspirational while keeping his signature rough edges and character flaws, there was never a need to turn him into Marvel's Superman. You already have Cap for that.
>>155666142Oh fuck off.
>>155666199The thing with Pete is that while he has that temper and blows his top, he'll usually real it back around. Not always, he's made a mess of JJ plenty of times, but generally his guilt and sense of responsibility get the better of him. It's the dueling forces that are part of what's interesting about him. Kind of like the Hulk as an avatar of rage and Id but also containing a sense of morality. Old comics were a lot smarter.
>>155666147>>155666199>>155666232Yep, Peter/Spider-Man was always meant to be the relatable everyman, not a paragon. He always tries to do the right thing, but like any normal person, he makes mistakes. He stumbles, he falls, but he gets back up and keeps trying. Making him someone who never makes mistakes but is always cursed to have shit falling on his head due to the ol' "Parker Luck" is missing the point of the character.
Peter Parker reminds me of my mother. My mother is Spider-man, you heard it here first, folks.
>>155666199There's nothing inspirational about protecting New York City.
>>155665953I know they couldn't have/wouldn't have done it, but it would've been cool to do an adaptation of 'Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut' as an immediate follow-up to this episode.
Are we posting angry Spider-Man?
>>155666368If you'd like
>>155666092>>155666114>>155666123Is Peter the first coded-Autism superhero? Think about it. He literally has to "mask" to be able to be a jokey, wisecracking superhero, and his real identity is a sullen, moody nerd who mistakes sarcasm and lite-ribbing for aggression, sending him into an autistic rage. Also keep in mind Steve Ditko based Peter heavily on himself, and there's a lot of evidence that Ditko was on the spectrum.
>>155666431>Is Peter the first coded-Autism superhero?No. And you're an idiot.
I dont know if it counts but when Torment killed Paul, Spiderman didn't look like he was bothered by it. There was inner monologue about him failing to save Paul, Spiderman just look conflicted over the whole thing. Like, part of Peter WANTED Paul to die. I know people want Spiderman to be a perfect hero but he does have moments which are pretty unhero like.
Madam web is a stupid character. I thought she was dumb way back when I watched this as a kid, and she still just seems like a dumb concept to me now like 50 years later.Whats her deal in the comics? Where did she come from, and what does she even do? Does she have legs?
>>155666508adding mysticism to Spider-man is just dumb. He's radioactive and fights tech baddies.
>>155666491That was Ewing writing him. You also have Kelly writing the following issues where he turns into St. Peter and Kelly is the main Peter writer right now
>>155666491That whole issue was just everyone speed running
>>155666508>Whats her deal in the comics? Where did she come from, and what does she even do? Does she have legs?Outside of the spider motif, she isnt really connected much to Spider-Man. She's a clairvoyant/telepathic Mutant like Professor X or Jean Grey, the "webs" behind her are a life support system.
>>155666508She’s just a psychic >>155666536Why is it dumb? Why should he be limited to exclusively tech based villains?
>>155666681It's not that he can't fight a magic villain now and again but to try and add in some kind of mystical origin to his powers and make it about destiny undermine him.
>>155666536He teams with Doctor Strange regularly enough. My very first comic book ever was a Doc Strange team up and had more magic than webslinging or wall crawling.>>155666666Test
>>155666815>He teams with Doctor Strange regularly enough. My very first comic book ever was a Doc Strange team up and had more magic than webslinging or wall crawling.I'm cool with Spider-Man teaming up with Strange since Ditko created both of them and it's a nice way of tying his legacy at Marvel together.
>>155666232>The thing with Pete is that while he has that temper and blows his top, he'll usually real it back aroundNo he just makes things worse by escalating the situation.
>>155666431>his real identity is a sullen, moody nerd who mistakes sarcasm and lite-ribbing for aggression, sending him into an autistic rage.Spidey gets pissed off too. Peter wasn't Clark Kenting. He acts the same with or without the costume.
>>155666829Ditko created Squirrel Girl too
>>155666829It's nice that the MCU is keeping that going too.
>>155666789In the show her and the beyonder were just old powerful aliens interested in the struggle between good and evil, she’s decades older than the totem thing
>>155666913>It's nice that the MCU is keeping that going too.I've heard people complain about Spider-Man teaming up with other Marvel heroes in his solo films, but that's honestly been the least of my criticisms of MCU Spidey. I had no problems with Doctor Strange in No Way Home and Punisher and Hulk in Brand New Day, they're the kind of characters that regularly guest-star in the comics anyway, or at least did before the comics got shitty.
>>155666913>>155666977I think I'm more surprised a Daredevil team up hadn't happened first/already.
>>155667021>I think I'm more surprised a Daredevil team up hadn't happened first/already.That was one of the potential treatments for Brand New Day getting tossed around with Kingpin as the main antagonist. Vincent D'Onofrio hinted that it has to do with some legal bullshit between the film and TV divisions of Marvel, and Sony currently having the film rights to Kingpin in Spider-Man movies along with all of his other villains.
>>155666058that's really sweet, Cap is trying to fix the situation.>>155666114Being ahead on your rent is basically free money. That was smart.
>>155666007Spiderman was in highschool for all of 50 issues. And him being angry and having a temper has been a thing for generations. We have a fucking banner where he's dating MJ and is saying "I'm angry".
>>155667891>We have a fucking banner where he's dating MJ and is saying "I'm angry"."Written" by Stan Lee himself, of course.
>>155665953>I HAVE NINE GOOD MOVIES AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE ONE!>YEAH, EVEN AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 WAS BETTER THAN YOUR SHITFEST!
>>155665953I watched this back in the day and I thought Madame Webb existing was jumping the shark in a way.
>>155665953No he was a bit of a rage monster when it came to MJ or Aunt May getting hurt. He crashed out hard that one time May wound up in the hospital.
>>155666058>Aight chucklefucks, I'm here, which one of you do I have to beat the shit out of?Jesus, Peter...
>>155666508Only thing I remember reading about her in the comics is the one where Juggernaut fucks her up and Spidey can't do a damn thing about it
>>155668438He threw an S-tier temper tantrum once every Olympics or so. The "long temper, short fuse" trope. It was also part of the defining characteristic about his relationship with the black suit sympiote that would become Venom. The symbiote amplified all of his worst impulses.
>>155669618Even someone as purely noble as Peter Parker something something deeply wounded yada yada yada I think we've all learned a valuable lesson here.
>>155669618>The symbiote amplified all of his worst impulses.Actually that's something the shoulder tackle cartoon added, in the comics the symbiote just took control of his body while he slept to go webswinging and feed on his adrenaline.
The ideal Peter Parker should both:1. Have an awful temperament and slight misanthropic tendencies, leading him to easily take offense upon perceived mistreatment and keep him as somewhat of a misfit loner across the super community, even if he can still get along with them most of the time. To some extent, Peter ought to hold some level of resentment towards society and the figure of Spider-Man itself because of all the sacrifices he has to make only to receive vitriol in return.(In rare extreme cases, his attitude can even gain him the enmity of other people and straight up make him long time enemies from opponents that he mocked or antagonized too much.)2. A strong moral core and sense of duty towards others, as a result of being raised by Ben and May Parker, and branded with fire into him by the loss of his father figure the one time he ignored these lessons. Both the guilt of Ben's death and his good upbringing are what keep him coming back to put on the mask and make numerous sacrifices, even in those times he deeply resents his responsibility and wishes to quit. This also lets him see past the anger and feel compassion for others, as well as noticing that there's gratitude among the vitriol.To me, the appeal of the character comes from his innate personality flaws being tempered by good role models and painful life lessons. Peter learned to be a hero and an admirable person, and had those circumstances changed he easily could have grown into an arrogant misanthrope or someone abusing his powers for personal gain, which is why the likes of Doc Ock and the Green Goblin are usually used as foils to what he could have become.Take away the temper, the aggression and all the other flaws and what we get is the lame, messianic martyr Spider-Man of today, who needs all his issues to fall on him from the sky like some divine punishment to create the drama that used to grow organically from his social interactions and general situation.
>>155665987I was thinking the other day how having a short fuse was part of Spider-man character in the 60s and 70s. They did away with that when they decided to make him a perma-dork.
>>155668459Well, to be fair, he beat the piss out of anyone there except Thor.
>>155670600he could*
>>155670583That happened the instant Bendis, BND, and other fags like that made him more quirky and vocally unsure of himself in increasing scenes when he is Spider-Man rather than thought bubbles and him confiding to people like MJ. Spider-Man when appearing public never was a fucking gay quirk chungus in issues before the 00's. Yes there was comedy and he did get embarrassed sometimes like Commuter Cometh or he lost control and hit Firelord too much. But in those instances he still pushed back on whatever was happening or ruminated on it like an adult.
>>155670651I blame the success of Ultimate Spider-man to some degree. It cemented the nerveous high-school dork that can't talk to girls characterization.
>>155670651>quirk chungusnice buzzword
>>155668423She is a rather silly character. She's got that dress that can't be easy to get into and just hangs around in a chair all day waiting for Spidey to bring up conversation? I thought she was enjoyable enough in Shattered Dimensions though.
Tbf I'd get pissed off with her cryptic bullshit too
God I love it when Peter/Spidey is a jerk. If only the Amazing movies weren't 85% garbage we probably could've had that back. I love when he loses his temper or is just kind of a dick because he doesn't know who his friends are or is talking prime shit because someone's trying to rag on him.>>155666368>WifeI wouldn't even question this I'd just say the guy is based and move on.
>>155670664Ultimate Peter was a jerk who had no problem putting moves on MJ, Black Cat, and Kitty. Hell, that page of him going off on the X-Men is pretty popular.Marriage dead-enders don't want to admit that JMS is the guy who got the ball rolling on dork Peter.
>>155666368>Nick KatzenbergBros, Nick Lowe's father was....le jewish?!
>>155670669I thought anons like you would admit when a buzzword is accurate just like how anons supposedly are "based" and say that certain stereotypes are true.
>>155666508>Madam web is a stupid character. I thought she was dumb way back when I watched this as a kidSame. Always thought she was lame and had a superfulous role, specially when her and the animated version of the Beyonder essentially start splitting duties as cosmic talking heads.
>>155670651>>155670664Ultimate Peter had a short fuse. He stood on business when he got pissed. Ultimate wasn’t the start of the “aw shucks” Peter, that was Raimi
>>155665953This is 100% Peter Parker he ALWAYS had a temper even here on 4channel there's that infamous panel where he tells MJ he's so pissed he's almost ENJOYING his anger at one point.He crashed out regularly in his personal life Pre-Quesada and it made him relatable and human more so than being a perpetual manchild loser, at any rate because even ACTUAL saints lost their tempers, yes, even Jesus against the money lenders and Sadducess infamously at the temple if they are DETERMINED to go down the "St. Parker" route that Carnage pointed out in that lame Death Spiral event.
>>155671423Raimi's Peter wasn't a pushover either once he got his powers.
>>155672031He got pissed at MJ too. Dude had zero tolerance.
>>155672526>Raimi's Peter wasn't a pushover either once he got his powers.That's bullshit, bro.
>>155666536Yeah, but the very first Morlun was kino because he won by tapping into his radioactive side.
It's sad that no adaptation has ever actually captured the real Peter Parker, even the great ones.
>>155672660TASM.
>>155672604Name some actual examples of him being a pushover. I can name cases where he wasn't.>decks Flash Thompson across the hall>breaks the burglar's hand and doesn't save him when he falls out the window>webs Jamson's mouth to shut him up when he confronts the Goblin at the Bugle
>>155672665Way too pretty and a skateboarder, that's not the character Ditko created.
>>155666431>"Woah, you get mad when bad things happen to you? Must be the autism!"
/co/s, my favorite hero doesn't compensate for his peepee like i do anymore :( (i'm near-60 and my hair has all been gone since 30 btw)
>>155672726This guy is loser, he didn't act like this when he was an awkward teenager.
>>155672703>Way too prettyThat's on-brand though.
>>155672726>i'm near-60 and my hair has all been gone since 30 btwDamn. Sucks to be you, bro. I still have all my hair.
>>155672777Yeah, that's Romita Peter in college, but not Ditko's high school Peter who was handsome in a nerdy way, but not pretty.
>>155672769>yesnobody is gonna mistake your put-on machismo as attractive at your age
>>155672680>decks Flash Thompson across the hallBecause Flash forced his hand by hounding him.>breaks the burglar's hand and doesn't save him when he falls out the windowBecause he killed Uncle Ben.>webs Jamson's mouth to shut him up when he confronts the Goblin at the BugleBecause it's weird if he doesn't.
>>155672805>not Ditko's high school Peter who was handsome in a nerdy way, but not pretty.Romita was drawing him like Ditko did before he left.
>>155672807>nobody is gonna mistake your put-on machismo as attractive at your ageBeing spineless isn't attractive either. Having balls is.
>>155672841balls is when "reddit mod doesn't get his tendies" rage now?
>>155672812>Because Flash forced his hand by hounding him.He wasn't forced to do that as Uncle Ben lectures him right after.>Because he killed Uncle Ben.This was edged up from how the story went in Amazing Fantasy #15 where he didn't go anywhere near as hard on him. The burglar lived and was brought back later under Wolfman.>Because it's weird if he doesn't.It's legally assault. He could have ignored his comments.
>>155672846No, retard.>>155672589
>>155671423Nigga, take one look at the other examples of him being pushed around by Fury, the Avengers, X-Men, or shit later in the run when Bagley isn't drawing. Nigga, turns into a comedic punching bag and also makes Bendis-jokes that are almost always effeminate and gay. Sometimes he is funny. Most of the time he is whiny or Reddit.
>>155673038>no but actually yes:)
>>155672857>This was edged up from how the story went in Amazing Fantasy #15 where he didn't go anywhere near as hard on him.The lesson there was different. RaimiPete didn't stop the burglar out of revenge. ComicPete didn't stop him because he couldn't be bothered. The former makes it so that standing up for himself's a bad thing, while the latter fits better with the Great Power mantra.
>>155673059Ew
>>155673094>fukkkin staecy doesn't appreicate a Nice Guy like me, gonna tell the manosphere on herhe's not calling her on her bullshit, he's taking his ball and going home
>>155672829Man, I miss the bushy eyebrows, the chelicera cowlicks and that free real estate of a forehead.
>>155665987Fpbp>>155665953When I was a kid, I found this episode relatable.
>>155674253Kino
>>155666058Ok, Peter is 100% right here.The Avengers are morons; if they can't decide on a test, they should just run a few of them and be done with it.
>>155672589Damn she really can be a bitch. I know Pete seems flakey if you're not in the know about Spiderlife but damn woman don't play games
>>155673122Meds
>>155674594Eh she's upset with him and while she's at least giving him an (upset) chance to explain he instead pivots to "damn I thought you wanted me" which isn't exactly the best solution. How would she look if she folded to that immediately? Nobody wants to be a doormat.
>>155674529>The Avengers are morons; if they can't decide on a test, they should just run a few of them and be done with it.Cut em some slack, this was pretty early in the run. They were still figuring a lot of stuff themselves, the original team was formed by chance and Spider-man dropped in unannounced
>>155675560She told him to say whatever and scram afterwards. You're trying to whitewash her behavior. Especially since she supposedly knows he's Spider-Man and has always known.
