Secret Wars 2015 was the only good Secret War. In fact, I would go so far as to say that it was the only good event Marvel’s had this century.
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The ending was lame.It really should've ended with the 616 becoming a blend of the other universes.Not just Miles.They already did the origin box lead up, that supposedly killed millions and turns cities into entirely new places, it's weird how that whole thing was dropped, including starbrand and the like.It should've ended up more like the dc universe with real and fictional cities.
>>155669525Greenland seems safest
>>155669655>Greenland>the place where literally everyone and everything is a Hulk>safe
>>155669505The main series completely squandered the premise. People actually thought they'd get Game of Thrones Multiverse Marvel Edition. Instead it was a bunch of What Ifs in the form of tie-in issues and minis with the main book being the start and end of it all while having barely anything to do with them. Should've been Doom being something like the Crypt Creeper and telling multiverse tales to the heroes trying to stop him.
>>155669505All events are trash.
>>155671387As with many things
>>155669505Piracy is objectively good for preservationNot every act of piracy is a lost salePeople have varying valid reasons to pirate concerning distribution, accessibility, second hand market prices, etcBut anything (at least with comics and cartoons) that has benefitted from the word of mouth from piracy never needed said word of mouth to begin with to be profitable in the first place.
>>155671416https://mubi.com/en/notebook/posts/pirating-the-piratesNot comic related but yeah
>>155671607Anon, I literally said I believe piracy is good for preservationI'm 100% supportive of rescan efforts, I dislike coloring alterations for re-releases, etc I'm just saying the stuff that needs 5k to 20k (for a Marvel/DC title) isn't reaching those bare minimum monthly numbers thanks to piracy because those are small numbers periodYou either pass it or you don't regardless of piracyAbsolute Batman would still be running if it didn't have a mass pirating audience especially when a significant amount of said pirates aren't even Americans to begin with
>>155669505Its literally the last good thing Marvel made before all went to shit.
>>155669505CoIE flat out sucks. It's the most important comic DC ever made, but it sucks so HARD.
I don't care. SW1 is my guilty pleasure and yeah it could have done less with some of the alien city shit that was mega boring and the Thing nonsense where he's depowered or whatever.
>>155672100>It's the most important comic DC ever madeNo.
Medusa is one of the most underrated females in Marvel. First one to have a solo comic. Right of birth was great. Second longest non family member of member of F4. Her relationship with Black Bolt before Marvel shit on it. She was great.
>>155673760>Second longest non family member of member of F4.Is Shulkie the longest?
>>155674255yep
>>155674728nice
>>155669505Most critically-acclaimed and fan-favorite comics from before the 1980s and after the 1990s are pretty bad.
>>155669505Marvel should have commited to a reboot after this, the sliding timescale just cant work with 60 years worth of stories, heck they should have really commited to a soft reboot after their first relaunch in 98 and given most of their characters actual endings, kind of like what PAD did with his final issue of Hulk.
>>155672100That goes for a lot of "iconic" comic arcs/issues. Death of Superman was a garbage story as well, for example. People act like it was a huge deal but that's 100% marketing. Even back then anyone with half a brain understood that it wasn't going to be permanent, no matter how many newspaper ads DC paid for. Only the stuff that happened after his "death," like Reign of the Supermen, was any fun at all.
>>155669898>it was a bunch of What Ifs in the form of tie-in issues and minis with the main book being the start and end of it all while having barely anything to do with them.Interesting. I've never read Secret Wars, but that description fits Futures End perfectly.
>>155676936This. Same with The Dark Phoenix Saga and A Death in the Family.
>>155669898This
>>155676841they should’ve had a soft transition from 98 onwards and made MC2 their main line by like 2005
>>155677372It’s time travel, so we don’t need to foreshadow it!
>>155676637most from any decade are pretty bad
>>155669505Giant events should stop.
>>155669525i would normally have said wierdworld, but its way too ufcking close to the wall for my liking. wheres the land where blackbolt was a crooner?
>>155679601>blackbolt was a croonerWhen? Where? I need to read this. Now.
>>155679134All events should stop.
>>155680993Let titles do their plot arcs without being interrupted every year for the EVENT!!!11!
>>155669505Only the original creator(s) work matters
>>155679707he was the head of the quiet room in inhumans attilan incursion
>>155669505Crossovers are always bad.
>>155669505I liked it. I just hate that it is fragmented over several series.
I like Ewing but anytime he brings up Tarot or has one of those metaphor fights it turns me off.
>>155673760she got a nice pair on her~
>>155683170only the secret warrios and FF are good.ultimate universe and new avengers 2015 are readable and cool, but almost good.
>>155682358Is that really unpopular? Seems a pretty common opinion nowadays
>>155669505It would be perfect if was the ending and the start of a good reboot.but no, after this Marvel became a mess
>>155669551>The ending was lame.The ending was good, DOOM finally saying out loud that Reed could do a better job.
>>155669505Secret Wars was so bad that it got me to almost completely stop reading Marvel. I’ve probably checked out 4 titles since 2016Can’t wait for the movie to flop and be vindicated even further
>>155686158>Everything that happened prior to Doom and Richard’s fighting doesn’t matter>Oh, shit. Ultimate Reed is about do something? lol, fuck no >Reed beats Doom because Miles gave Molecule Man a decade old cheeseburgerGo ahead and eat your slop, but just know that you’re bringing down all of fiction with storytelling like this. Multiverse slop is bottom of the barrel writing
>>155685288I get a lot of pushback when I mention it.
>>155676841Fuck no.There has never been a single good universal reboot in comics. The lack of reboots is why I pick Marvel over DC.
>>155688843I'll push back, baby.
>>155688878Stories need endings, characters need grand finales, Marvel is way past jumping the shark in all of its properties because it refuses to let go. You are legit retarted if you buy into the mental gymnastic that the Spider-Man you are reading today is the same one who was swinging around 1980s manhattan, it does not work. Characters need a clean slate every few decades for a new generation, sometimes that version works other times it doesnt, thats just the way it is
>>155690264That's gay.
>>155672100Filtered
>>155669505>it was the only good event Marvel’s had this century.Secret invasion and Dark Reign were fun.
>>155682358Define "crossover". Do you mean when a storyline goes through two characters' books, or even more broadly when two characters of different series appear in the same book?
>>155681014It's simple really. Writers and artists should know a year in advance when they tie-in will be publish so they can structure their runs in a way that the tie-in doesn't interrupt storylines. If the event is going to change the status quo in a book the writer of that book should be handling all aspects of the change including what's happening in the event.>>155686158Illuminating Comics' parody of SW2015 managed to have a more thematically apropos and emotionally cathartic ending.
>>155669505lots of secret wars threads lately. Disney marketing push?
>>155692541>Illuminating Comics' parody of SW2015 managed to have a more thematically apropos and emotionally cathartic ending.did you have it around so i can read?
>>155692138Both. The former is significantly more grating, the latter always feels cheap.
>>155694106Yes and readers talking about it. You cant clearly differ between those two groups.
>>155669505>Secret Wars 2015 was the only good Secret WarThere's only been two Secret Wars
>>155681904And it was Quill who became a crooner.
