Is it fair to say that every cartoon made after 2012 is bad?
Everything went to shit after AT turned PB and Marceline into lesbians
There's still the 5% that doesn't suck
>>15567027660s was the downfall of western art. anything after is bad
>>155670289For some reason it is less annoying when it is only implied.
murder drones was good
>>155670289Keep crying
>>155670321>60s was the downfall of western art. anything after is bad60s were bad as well, but in a different way
>>155670276Early Rick and Morty was good
Yes (with the possible exception of Wander over Yonder)
>>155670332>hijack a show made for young boys to push girl power and gay shitna it's when the industry went to shit.
>>155670332Unrionically, ask yourself what is good western animation after that? Klaus is like one of the few examples that are good.
>>155670289>Everything went to shit after AT airedFTFY
>>155670276OTGW?
>>155670289AT and its fanbase was already insufferable before that
>>155670422Natasha Allegri had been posting Bubbline art since 2011 and all the staff pretty much supported it, you'd have to be retarded to think the show was "hijacked"
>>155670676Don’t cope
>>155670676You’re making a strong case for “women should have absolutely no authority in art productions, just as they don’t in the Church, lest their silly fantasies derail everything”
>>155670676>pitch show as a betty and veronica like situation>women hijack the show and push their own fetishes onto itlollmao even
>>155670276Yes. But replace 2012 with 2004 and you'd be even more correct.
>>155670676So... not only was it hijacked, but we now have a name to who was responsible (Natasha Allegri)?
>>155671049No, retard
>>155670606True, I just saw an old /co/ screencap from an AT thread and it would be called a reddit thread today.
>>155671049Are you one of those guys that say CN died when they first changed their logo?
>>155670711Adam Muto chose to make it canon
>>155671539>now have a name to who was responsible (Natasha Allegri)>nowHow new are you that you don't know who Natasha Allegri is? Also she just drew Bubbline art, she didn't actually add it into the show. Hell, Pendleton Ward himself is the one that came up with the idea that they were exes
>>155674487>Hell, Pendleton Ward himself is the one that came up with the idea that they were exesNope
>>155674518Pendleton Ward revealed to Marceline's VA that PB and Marceline used to date each other years before it became canon in the show, when he was still the showrunner.
>>155670676Natasha did not create the show, Pen did, and he clearly did not intend for it to go that route.Let this be an example. Never relinquish control of your creation, unless you are forced to.
>>155674644No
>>155674654See >>155674644
>>155674673Don’t be delusional
>>155674669No what? You can look it up, it's documented. Are you so mad that the creator of the show liked Bubbline and approved of it so you have to blame other people?
>>155674693Sure, sure
>>155674705So how did Marceline's VA know PB and Marcie were exes back in 2014 when Ward was still the showrunner?
>>155674792She said it herself
Nope (Good Morning)
>>155674823Post Patrick Show too, slapstick cartoons post-2010 are rare.
>>155674812Yeah, Pendleton Ward told her and she accidentally revealed it without knowing it was supposed to be a secret. Also completely ignoring the fact that Ward was the showrunner when What Was Missing was made
>>155674903No
>>155670289>>155670422Truth nukes>>155670465Truth super nova
>>155674990Take those up your ass
But seriously AT was absolutely the harbinger of Calarts slop shows of 2010s that murdered the industry.I expect that industry would still die in a similar way even if it never aired, but it was still the first among these zombie shows.>>155675004You sound awfully butthurt anon
>>155675073First we gotta go back in time and make sure Flapjack was never made.
>>155675073Seethe
Well personally I do not think Pen did it, and even if he did, he most likely did it only to 'fit in', because not only were the vibes of the show different, PB, Marceline and Finn were extremely different characters when taken from the beginning of the show and as the series progressed.What I think might've happened is that those people, including Muto, Sugar, Natasha, etc. grew closer and closer to him, and so their influence over the show also grew, to the point where they started to take over entirely.If he said no they are not lesbians, you can bet those people would make a fuss about it, saying the show lacked representation, that Pen was being this or that, etc.
>>155675131Yes
>>155675131God what a train wreck of a production. Are those people even gay to begin with?
>>155675096Flapjack sucked but I don't count it among the likes of AT, SU, She-ra etc.>>155675105I am in a fairly calm and moderately jubilant mood, further amused by your replies. But something here makes me suspect that the same isn't the case for you.
>>155675208No
>>155675223>Flapjack sucked but I don't count it among the likes of AT, SU, She-ra etc.You're looking at Flapjack from the surface. Beyond that, Flapjack was where some of these calarts people first joined the industry.
>>155670276no
>>155670276Even Primal, Wander Over Yonder, OK KO, Smiling Friends, Scavengers, Over the Garden Wall, Blue Eye Samurai and Bojack Horseman?
>>155675105Go to bed
>>155675223Shittaste
>>155670276Pantheon exists so I disagree
>>155670422>>155670676>>155675131I genuinely never understand this logic that AT was somehow a bastion of boy masculinity when it was mostly adults and tumblr users were watching it. I watched it as a kid, but I stopped even before the woke stuff. It reminds me of people who insist that Dipper is totally going to grow up to be some manly badass, when he’s literally just Alex Hirsch. He’s going to grow up to be Alex Hirsch, same personality, same politics, same views.
>>155676177>Dipper is totally going to grow up to be some manly badass, when he’s literally just Alex Hirsch. He’s going to grow up to be Alex Hirsch, same personality, same politics, same views.Hirsch based himself off an even worse character...
>>155676177Cope
>>155670289Other than you, who cares?
>>155676238Gtfo
>>155676177AT was literally a boy having adventures with his dog before SJW stole the project and used it to push their agenda
>>155676177This is disingenuous nonsense. I was a middle school boy watching it in the early 2010s.Yes, years later western animation eventually became the soulless slop it is today where only developmentally stunted millennial womenchildren watch it. But that happened precisely because degenerate weirdos hijacked these shows to become their idpol wish fulfillment fantasy and political circlejerk. Anyone who tries to invert the chronological order of these events is a liar. This >>155670289 is important as the trailblazer of this trend murdered western animation.
>>155676533>>155676542Again, I watched it too, but I grew out of it when I was 12 because I thought it was too kiddish. I was watching Bakuman and Blue Exorcist, like most other boys were at the time. Mind you I’m probably RW compared to both of you, but pretending the culture war was lost in 2010 is the problem. It was lost in the 1970's in the counterculture movement and this was always going to be the end product.
>>155676671>I didn't watch AT as a 12 year old so no one else didno that's not how it works bro.
>>155676671Shittaste
>>155676695It was popular, I’m not denying that, but pretending that shounen and other anime genres hadn’t taken over is ridiculous.
>>155676756you act like the 2 can't coexist at the same timeI still watched Spongebob when Yugioh and DBZ was all the rage
>>155676696Pissoff
>>155676177I was already an adult when it aired. My perception of it at the time was about what >>155676533 said, the cartoon was mostly just the wacky adventures of a boy and his dog, with some little, mysterious drops of lore and profound stuff. I liked it, it was fun, sort of like Regular Show or Ed, Edd 'n Eddy in the sense that it was just for fun. Cut to a while later, I started to feel like it was no longer about Finn and Jake being cool and having fun, but about some nonsensical drama and angsty feelings, which I suppose is fine if it's just a few drops few and far between, but not if it becomes most of the show.I'm not the showrunner nor the target audience, but I think it should've stayed true to itself instead of trying to become more complex.
>>155675520>>155676875
>>155676214Arrest
Who left their debate bot on?
>>155672101Yes, newfag.
>>155670707Don't arrest then>>155674692Of course you are, son of disappoint.
>>155670276Not fair at all, boomer.
The cartoons stop mattering to me when they are no longer aired and dubbed in my local channel and language. Don't (You) me unless you type it in a language outside of English.
>>155670276Yes.
>>155670276No!!
>>155676671I did not know a single soul who knew what Blue Exorcist or Bakuman when Adventure Time was new.
>>155680449>>155681337The duality of anons
>>155670276I would not say EVERY cartoon was bad, but it was definitely the beginning of some hideous trends. I think my biggest issues with cartoons of the decade started around 2015. Star Vs. was the better thing that came out that year, but it was only decent for a single season.
>>155676910I'd say the issues with the show started a bit earlier. I know people love to point out What Was Missing as "the first sign" of the show's decline, but I feel that Mortal Folly was the first real indication of the show shifting in tone to something more serialized and boring. There are some episodes after it that fit with the old sense of humor, but it is to be expected given this changes in quality are rarely immediate.
>>155681827AT never became serialized
>>155670276>2012too early anon. You would then be accidentally suggesting mlp is good. Honest truth? there's good and bad animation in every year
>>155682452>too early anon. You would then be accidentally suggesting mlp is good. Honest truth? there's good and bad animation in every year>2011Sure. But THundercats reboot was also 2011 and that one was pretty well liked
To me the only way forward is a mass fire-cleansing. Kill all the major studios, kill Hollywood, kill Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon and even Disney. Force them all into bankruptcy one way or the other. Break the back of contemporary American animation because it's beyond saving. Burn it all down. Only then could we get something better that arises from the ashes. The current version of it is beyond saving, and needs fire.
>>155681412>I did not know a single soul who knew what Blue Exorcist or Bakuman when Adventure Time was new.I've read Bakuman. It was pretty good
>>155670289Nah, AT became shit earlier than that.
>>155672809so would practically every thread back then zoomie
>>155683680Was it the Frost & Fire episode?
>>155683680No
Yes
>>155670276Try 2010. >>155670289Didn’t korra do it first ?
>>155683740No, it was the introduction of the pig bitch
>>155684589April 5th, 2010 was the day animation became tranimation.
>>155684589>Didn’t korra do it first ?Her series was released in 2012.>inb4 it is Nickelodeon's avatar IP that started in 2005The ATLA movie about adult Aang that was made even after Korra resetted the Avatar state in her show was released in 2026.
>>155670289*Flame Princess appeared on screen
>>155683740Yep.
>>155685069TRVKE>>155686404Nah, that was a good thing
It all went to shit the moment the horse show debuted.
>>155670289Adventure Time is legitimately one of the most interesting and experimental cartoons to ever air on TV, but all you subhuman 80 IQ faggots care about is shipping that only makes up a small portion of the show. Kill yourselves.
>>155689162Not really
>>155689189It’s flawed, cope, fanboy
>>155689330Flawed doesn't mean the worst thing ever.
>>155690228You are coping
>>155689330not flawed enough compared to his 5th movie, arrest, boi.>>155692003You are arresting
>>155684624>>155684766>>155685069Try october 10th 2010>>155689305So the genocides ending is the only answer.
