Stan Lee:>I have had many talented people ask me how to get into the comic book business. If they were talented enough the first answer I would give them is, "Why would you want to get into the comic book business?" Because even if you succeed, even if you reach what might be considered the pinnacle of success in comics, you will be less successful, less secure and less effective than if you are just an average practitioner of your art in television, radio, movies or what have you. It is a business in which the creator...owns nothing of his creation. The publisher owns it...Isn't it pathetic to be in a business where the most you can say for the creative person in the business is that he's serving an apprenticeship to enter a better field? Why not go to the other field directly?On potentially leaving Marvel and starting a film production company:>The thing is, these men (Jack Kirby and John Buscema) are so talented that I think if I do movie work, I could take them with me. Jack is great at set design and things like that. And they're good at storyboards. I would like to take them with me.If Stan realized how shit Marvel and the comic industry was, and liked working with Kirby and Buscema enough, why didn't he start a company with them where they owned their creations? Why did Stan stick with Marvel so long if he knew they could do better?
>>155676835Cause1. He lived through a time where a lot of comic companies came and went2. He got offered a great deal by the people who bought Marvel in 1968 that ended up making him decide to stay on
>>155676909>He got offered a great deal by the people who bought Marvel in 1968 that ended up making him decide to stay onHe said the first quote after 1968, partly in response to Kirby leaving for DC
>>155676932They didn't make the deal with him until the 1970s. Cadence Industries bought Marvel from Martin Goodman in 1968, Goodman stayed on with the expectation that his son Chip would be his successor, but then in 1972 Cadence was fearful of losing Lee and so made a better deal with him
>>155676932He probably said it to flatter Jack then, to the press at least he was always trying to mend fences
>>155676835He knew that television, radio and movies are just the same. I would say that literature is a little bit different but as not a superstar you still rely on the big publishers, leaving you in a similar hard position.
>>155676835Everyone who worked in the industry seems to shit on it. Why do fans defend it?
>>155680237Because they personalize it, they feel like a criticism of Marvel or DC is a criticism of them, which is ironic considering nobody could be more "Marvel" than Stan.
>>155680237Because whatever they may say they really only care about the product. They care about Spider-Man, not who makes the comics.
>>155676835Because he's a lying scamming Jew.
>>155680237>>155680384Then why didn't he just fix it?
>>155676835>why didn't he start a company with them where they owned their creations? Why did Stan stick with Marvel so long if he knew they could do better?Could he? Even in the late 60s/70s starting a publishing company from scratch was no easy thing, and definitely not a sure thing even for someone with a bit of name recognition like him. Maybe he did think about it but saw that realistically sticking with Marvel was his best bet.
>>155680384>>155680414That's crazy, especially now, since people making and publishing comics clearly don't respect the fans.
>>155676835That kind of image exodus wouldn't really be possible in the 60s/70s. It's not like Marvel was a fresh from the ground up company. They jsut changed their logo.
>>155680416Faggot
>>155677294He didn't say these to the press, Stan wouldn't have wanted it public to his bosses that he was unhappy and considering leaving Marvel.
>>155676835Stan basically WAS marvel
>>155676835Based Stan always keepin' it REAL
Carmine Infantino and Julie Schwartz>DC comics are kidslopStan the salesman>I'M CREATING THE NEW GREEK/ROMAN MYTHOLOGY BUY BUY BUY
>>155684548Stan Lee is a character Stanley Lieber made up to sell kid slop, while he wrote the great American novel
>>155684594>he wrote the great American novelLEL
>>155682319Cry more, baby killer.
>>155686200Kys, troon
>>155676835Never trust a man in a wig.
>>155685996He never did, that’s the point. Stanley Lieber was ashamed of comics, he kept his real name for his own aspirations, but Stan Lee the character overtook Lieber the man.
>>155686432He wasn’t
>>155686458He outright said he came up with the pen name of Stan Lee instead of using his real one because he didn't want to associate his future serious literary career with bottom of the barrel slop.
>>155687261So?
>>155687288So he was in fact ashamed of comics until working on them made him very wealthy.
>>155676835>you will be less successful, less secure and less effective than if you are just an average practitioner of your art in television, radio, movies or what have you. It is a business in which the creator...owns nothing of his creation. The publisher owns it...Isn't it pathetic to be in a business where the most you can say for the creative person in the business is that he's serving an apprenticeship to enter a better field? Why not go to the other field directly?Thank goodness the indie scene got bigger. Sure my favorite comics writers aren't going to have their own movie adaptation but atleast they own their comic
>>155687390Can you blame him? Comics were seen as ghetto culture for decades, it wasn't until the 80's with books like MAUS and Watchmen that comics were seen as a potentially elevated, sophisticated medium. And then DC and Marvel squandered the opportunity by doubling down on adolescent "Grim & Gritty".
>>155687753Marvel had the Epic imprint, DC had Vertigo. The market went for dumb, violent superhero comics for teenagers.
>>155687518>Sure my favorite comics writers aren't going to have their own movie adaptation but atleast they own their comicThere's been plenty of indie creators that have gotten film adaptations. Daniel Clowes has had a few, Hellboy has gotten multiple films, Harvey Pekar got an American Splendor movie, Scott Pilgrim vs The World etc. It's not as common as movies based on big two properties, but it isn't unheard of, either.
>>155687778Good
