With all the shit Marvel has put her through.
Just let Peter fuck Jean Grey then. That's basically the same thing
>>155683699Jean isn’t Mary Jane though.
>>155683699Boner: Engaged.
Decades of Peter's love life deteriorating has resulted in an extremely rapey version of Jean Grey being mistaken for a legitimate contender by fans
>>155683776
>>155683688Giving her spider powers was the best option. But know there are too many spider people.
>>155683776People who take part in this fandom waifu race or whatever it is are fotm cattle.
>LETS TURN PETER'S ENTIRE SUPPORTING CAST INTO SUPERSThis shit has to die unironically. Every spider man cartoon in the LAST TEN YEARS HAS BEEN DOING THISSTOP IT
>>155683812MJ is basically Anti-Carnage now.Just like Flash Thompson is Anti-Venom.And Andi Benton (as Silence) is Anti-Scream.
>>155683776>mistaken
>>155683822Too late.MJ, Flash, Liz and Normie all have powers.You still have Aunt May, Jonah, Robbie, Randy, Aunt Anna, etc without powers.
>>155683699Give her the Phoenix force
If I'm not mistaken, the only time MJ and Jean ever interacted in all of comic history was when MJ was admitting her daughter into Xavier's school.
>>155683828>all that textShe made it worse. She enjoyed making it worse. She's lucky Peter took pity on her after learning the truth, which she refused to tell him because she decided to endanger civilians and fuck with his head instead.
>>155683968Not enough people seem to understand that MCU Jean is a fucking villain
>>155684004She straight up got an innocent man killed by a car.
Depower all of Peter's supporting cast. The only superheroes he should be friends with are the FF
>>155683826How long before we see Mary Jane vs Spider-Woman?
>>155684004they understand it just fine but they think Peter can fix her. Or are subs and want her to Dom.
>>155683688>Implying that wouldn't also be putting her through shit.
>>155683688NO, I hate that cliché. Supporting cast SHOULD BE SUPPORTING CAST.No more make everyone a superhero.
>>155684195Well, I assume mj is no longer gonna have her own book, so their gonna have to start putting her in other series and Spider-woman/Spider-versity are the best fit outside mainline Spider-man. So the odds are surprising good.
>>155684499She doesn't have venom anymore?
>>155683738>Jean isn’t Mary Jane thoughMary Jane's boring. And her backstory's lame.
>>155684841They separated in yesterday’s issue. Venom went back to Eddie Brock but MJ kept the golden anti-carnage that was in venom.
>>155684598Flash and MJ disagree.You still have Betty, Shay, Robbie, Randy, Jonah and aunt May civilians
>>155683822NOBODY CARES ABOUT NORMIES NIGGA
>>155684108>The only superheroes he should be friends with are the FFEw.
>>155684877>Venom went back to Eddie BrockVenom's been passed around so much. What about the other Symbiotes? Carnage gets around, but I think it mindfucks people into being more like Cletus. What about, say, Scream or Toxin or Phage? Not popular enough to make the rounds?Ultimate Jessica Drew with Scream, just to make her stand out a bit more
I'm getting tired of the hero getting paired with the fucking normie who gives them shit for being a hero. None of that. Pair them with other supers.
>>155684914Toxin is with Dylan now.Flash is still Anti-Venom. Andi Benton is still Silence. Jessica Drew has Carnage.Every other symbiote, including the one Liz has, is now under the command of the Sleeper symbiote (the cat)
>>155685038Also Harry’s son, Normie, has a symbiote.
>>155684871what is her backstory and why is it boring?
>>155683688Wasn't the original Jackpot supposed to be her but Marvel changed their minds and created a new character instead?
>>155685127>why is it boring?Because that's what marvel editorial told him to think
>>155685127Grew up in pittsburghDad was a shitty Novelist and was abusiveMom gave up on her dreams to support her husband and be a momThen mom diesOlder sister gets knocked up straight out of highschool and continues the cycleSister's baby daddy leave after kid 2 and sister ask MJ to stay and help her raise her 2 kids.MJ says fuck that and bales and moves too NYC couch surfing with extended family to follow her dream of Acting which was also her dead moms dream.
>>155685256Ends up in Aunt Anna’s house in Queens.Watches Spider-Man go into neighbors house and change into Peter Parker. Becomes Spider-Man’s secret identity keeper.
>>155685256>Grew up in pittsburghUUUMMM EEER AKSUALLY she grew up in Montoursville, Pennsylvania and moved around alot. What are Girls from central PA like? self-conscious extroverts or drug adled whores?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRMP1U3q_4gInteresting...And this is coupled with Peter getting a stint on the Avengers and clashing with Mephisto... after Zdarsky already alluded to One More Day in his Captain America comic...Marvel might be getting back into Break Glass In Case of Emergency territory...
>>155685529So with Ravage removing the bond between aunt May and Peter, maybe Peter finally realizes what Mephisto took from him and MJ.
>>155685529They're gonna do it under Zdarsky. I can see that guy doing it. Will it lead to better writing? Yes because it allows for more characterization and maybe some amount of progression. Zdarsky is....sometimes good....sometimes boring and a midwit. I don't have high hopes for the book because many writers nowadays are just boring and the artists will never make anything interesting because they don't get paid enough.
>>155685559So Ravage wants to copy/steal Peter's memories Ben Reilly wants to get back Peter's memories Either Cormac is a nu-U clone made by Ben in an elaborate plan to steal back his memories or Ben's gonna get his memories back from Cormac somehow.
>>155684894The only character you listed who ever shows up in ASM anymore is Aunt May.
>>155685529I have mixed feelings about removing Aunt May because I do think Peter needs a life outside of his elderly aunt, but he has zero normal friends who regularly appear in his comic. Absolutely nobody. Jonah isn't at the Bugle anymore, so that whole thing is less interesting, Jonah and Robbie need each other. Harry is dead and Flash is Anti-Venom. Is Liz still a quasi-villain? What's up with Randy? Is he still married to the Beetle?Somebody needs to clean this shit up. It's really been fucked since the Clone Saga, but they keep making it worse.
>>155685256Then MJ lives her nightmare and doesn't comment on it because the current office doesn't understand a character with 60 years of history.MJ is a lost technology to this office.
>>155685529Now that we might be on the precipice of breaking emergency glass I have mixed feelings, because I'd like this done when not under Lowe or a BND apologist pen.Do it with maximum Rich Evans spite for spite.
>>155685945Writing and taste is a lost tech to them.
>>155685875>he still married to the Beetledidn't she get kill by her dad immediately after they got married. How are they gonna deal with the fact that everyone that knows Peter knows he has an Aunt and both he and said Aunt don't remember each other. Like the Johnny Storm has been to her house, I sure the whole FF has met her even post OMD. Hell, Wolverine had chicken pot pie dinner at May's house. Not to mention MJ, Flash, Norman, Randy, Liz, Betty and all the clone. I worry this is gonna be like SpOck, where characters act dumb and out of character to extend the premise of a 5 issue story and stretch it out a year or 2.
>>155685718Jonah is about to appear again.
>>155685875Randy and Beetle annulled when she escaped out of town for trying to kill her father Tombstone.Randy and Shay hooked ip after Peter went into space.Liz still is the host of the Misery symbiote.
>>155685256And we've seen this before to the point that it's old hat. How many supers grew up with those exact conditions? MJ just seems generic compared to them. Even Emma Frost has a similar backstory.
>>155683688Her power is having big tits and a fat ass
>>155686530That’s 99% of every superheroine, so she already qualifies.
>>155683688no, she deserves paul's cock up her ass. period.
>she deserves powers
Can’t wait to see her anti-carnage costume.
>>155686604>MJ had repeated sex with Jared Fogle and chose him repeatedly over PeterHow does 616 MJ's reputation recover?Can you memory hole something that lasted twice as long as the Clone Saga?
>>155686678Holy fuck I hate the gold scheme and symbol. So fucking watered down and gay and unsexy on MJ.
>>155687064Everything after BND goes into the memory hole. Why are you bothering with anything after BND? Do you hate yourself?
>>155687064And she chose Venom over “Jared Fogle”
>>155683688>inb4 Mary Jane being retconned into a mutant
>>155687342Bile fascination.Nothing after #500 is canon as far as the general public is concerned.You give a simple summary of events OMD onwards to joe citizen and you can see any respect they might have for Marvel Comics die in real time.
>>155687496She chose Venom over being disintegrated, then broke up with Jared like he was a weekend fling.God it's been some shit years. Fucking shout and shake a tree, eke some drama out of this mess you made you hacks.
>>155687552The point is that Paul is forever gone now. He can’t hurt you fans any more.
>>155687803It's more the choices MJ canonically has made and continues to make excuses for unchallenged.It makes for very hollow characters, there is a reason we don't get to read MJ's internal monologue anymore and we have to just read between the lines on her expression. She's a mystery to the writers now.
>>155686150>didn't she get kill by her dad immediately after they got married. He tried to kill her, but she got away and fled the city. The Christmas special from a while back seemed to suggest that she and Randy were still together.>How are they gonna deal with the fact that everyone that knows Peter knows he has an Aunt and both he and said Aunt don't remember each other.The same way they dealt with knowing MJ disappeared and suddenly reappeared with a new boyfriend and two kids: pretending the readers are too stupid to question it.
>>155687064The retcon is simple and no Mephisto required. The Kids were magic and manipulating her mentally and altering her memories were, like it wasn't 4 years. Paul then used the Jackpot device to to extend the magical chains in hopes of using MJ to rejuvenate his world, or to build something in this world or fucking whatever. If you are concerned about rape, simply have MJ confirm in a therapy session she cant recall ever sleeping with or being intimate with Paul, it was like she was playing a role. Besides, She is already in a spot where she needs to be in therapy and Dylan can confirm all this when he finds Pauls Diary, Dylan can also discover Paul was a pedo and trying to groom the lad.In the end Paul was massive investment, they "Paid" a hefty price keeping him around for so long to not use what is already there. Bring him back for a Heal turn. he can be an MJ villain. Or a Dylan villain.
>>155683840>All the normal people are of the older generation outside of Randy
>>155688510And?
>>155688888Every time a member of Peter's supporting cast gains powers, we stray further from God's light.
>>155684195I feel like you could do something really funny since Jessica already has a socially outgoing actress bestie, but that seems unlikely from two directions.
>>155690066NO HANGING OUT AND HAVING FUN WITH FRIENDSONLY ENDLESS EVENT COMICS AND B8ING FOREVERNO RESPONSIBILITIES AND ENGAGEMENTONLY YOUTH AND ENRAGEMENTNO ONE HAS FUN OUTSIDE THE MASK
>>155683688MARY JANE IS A GOLDDIGGING WHORE
>>155690273Face it Tiger, you owe me 300 dollars.
>>155690293and you just know half of that goes to eddie brock.
>>155690273THIS is why people want Gwen Stacy. They won't say it out loud, but its true.
>>155690273So is she kooing up with Cormac next or Ricardo?
>>155690357They are planning a short run where gwen survives and breaks up with peter. They become enemies after she takes the goblin juice.
>>155683688Mary Jane is a live in prostitute. This is not a living arrangement conducive to a young mans mental health.Think about it.>That bitch ain't got no job>That bitch ain't got no money>That bitch ain't paying any rent>That bitch don't even want KIDS
>>155683688Wish granted. Coming in Spiderman issue 1010, Mary Jane will make a pact with Mephisto to grant her the ability that letst her swap positions with Gwen Stacy in hell and let Gwen-Rider fight bad guys.
>>155691157>With my penance stare, you will experience the rape you have forced upon others!Wait, what? WTF, no! Don't do that! Someone, HELP! Dis bitch crazy!
>>155685529>plot development in the future surrounding MJ that I think more people are looking forward toOH BOY I CAN'T WAIT FOR THEM TO TEASE PETER AND MJ GETTING BACK TOGETHER AGAIN ONLY TO NEVER COMMIT TO IT
>>155690968I wouldn’t be surprised if Marvel did something like that, considering the fact that Gwen’s already been a Goblin three times already.
>>155690273So she married the brokest superhero in history and during the brief window where he was rich, she was nowhere to be found.
>>155690968Goblin juice is a euphemism for Norman's cum.
>>155690273She's not good at it then. She's had more income than the men in her life most of her publication history.
>>155691305ROSSANDRACHEL
>>155691121You are a fucking idiot. MJ was the breadwinner and worked quite a bit. MJ also had atleast 2 children with peter. What is it with these scumbags, like wolfman and quasada, that have gone out of thier way shit on mj writing her out of character instead of sticking with what previous creatives created. Like what is it about MJ that upsets them so much?
>>155691990Thay are not Ross and Rachel. >>155692118Stan did the same thing to spite ditko. Steve had her drive away in a car of her own at the end of his run. Then stan had her always bumming rides from everybody.
>>155692118Madonna/Whore complex, with Gwen as the Madonna and MJ the Whore who 'didn't deserve to win'. The idea that MJ is the kind of girl you have fun with but don't marry is prevalent in that office, they are an Old Boys Club.Except MJ is popular despite two decades of sustained character assassination and being in the rearview, such was the strength of those stories and moments prior the current regime.And she's extremely popular and well-known so they can't get rid of her, despite wanting to write and marry her off like Betty, so they are stuck having shot their romance in the foot but unable to either cure or amputate.
>>155692166>Thay are not Ross and Rachel.The modern Peter and MJ absolutely are, an extremely predictable consequence of a hack editorial enabling hack writers to do hack things.
>>155692118PREACH!!
>>155692118She's not muh Gwen
>>155692255MUH GWENMUH GWEEEEEEEEEN
Muh Gwen this, Yeah MJ that….But what about Silk?
>>155692313Shot by Slott slop out the gate.Now reduced to hanging out with preteens and the lobotomized.
>>155692337Didn't they retcon her age to 25 even though she's supposed to be a year older than Peter?
>>155690273She was the breadwinner, no?
>>155692337The lobotomized?
>>155692448Normans 'sins' were shot out with a magic shotgun, this is called a redemption arc in modern marvel.Now granted Spencer never had Peter hugging Norman, but this has lasted three writers now and it's only getting more idiotic because none of the legwork is done.
>>155692432She was and it was quite the sticking point for Peter, and very interesting for the times it was written in. Of course everything about them was more interesting back when these characters were Human and actually worried about utilities.
>>155691121>A young man not wanting a hot fun broke girl as a live in maid/fucktoy/secretaryI'm not sure what you thought you were doing there. More then a few women would kill for that arrangement. Hell,most lesbians would be okay with being the live in maid/fucktoy of a man. Especially if he's not ugly and fucks well.
>>155692392She should be the same age as Peter but she's in a band with Gwen who should be college age (18-22). Peter should be over 30 just going by how old Normie, Dylan and Franklin are but who fucking knows at this point.
>>155692530You could square it as Peters biology/mind for his age is all screwy due to all the dimension hopping and space travel over the years, but why give Lowe an out? Let his office explain it.It doesn't matter, in the eyes of the office Peter is mentally 15 years old.
Are you engaged /co/?
>>155683688Yes. MJ should have super powers. I'm thinking Telepathy and Telekinesis. She should also be able to hover. I think she should also have access to a flaming bird entity that imbues her with almost limitless power that is difficult to control.
>>155692567Engaged in the same way all the niggas meming Morbius were engaged
>>155692648Brevoort doesn't understand you can have everyone on the internet be talking about your shit and you won't make a cent.
>>155692567Kek, didn't Gail Simone write Paul getting cucked by Frank a year after this?
>>155685529>>155691305I'd much rather believe they'd bring Paul back
If there has been one thing Bendis, Slott and Wells have taught me, it's better for a character to be ignored than exploited.
>>155692718Ok cuck
Wake me when the OMD clique are beefed, until then this ain't MJ being written.
>>155692118Marv Wolfman created Felicia, it's in his best interests to shill her.
>>155693080I mean I'd put Felicia over Gwen.
>>155690224Jess passes the torch to mary jane, and now we get a worthy amazing spider woman.
>>155693454She doesn't need Jess' approval since there are a bunch of them. And even if she did, she could call herself Spider-Man Lady.
>>155693586>Spider Man-LadyFtM Mary Jane confirmed?
>>155690968>>155691458Nah, Gwen must be Mysterio or Doc Ock.
>>155693080Wolfman btfo'd MJ then ran betty through the ned leeds grinder. Felicia had a fucking full runway and couldnt finish.
It's so bitter what they did.
>>155683688So eddie and the symbiote are "venom". Do peter and the symbiote have a name? What about MJ and the symbiote?
>>155694119Spider-Man, Venom. For some reason Venom shifted to the symbiote instead of the combination.
>>155694119It's all 'Venom', although it used to mean the specific Eddie/Symbiote combination, but that's not as marketable.
>>155683688Then all of the fans deserve powers, too.
>>155692567>>155692648Brevoort is a pathetic old bitter man and out touch who still believes we are on 1989, also thinking the tactic of "enrage to engage" works in a era where social media and piracy exist. He comes across as a manchild than someone professional. >>155692682Yes, Gail Simone put Paul in multiple humiliation rituals and pretty much described how everyone saw Paul as.
>>155694441>He comes across as a manchildHe is a manchild
>>155694441He's very weird. He definitely knows a lot about comic book production and Marvel's characters, but he uses it to harmful ends. What is weird is that there actually are a few times he clocked something as weird, such as Sandman supposedly faking reformation the whole time and throwing his cover away for a relatively minor job and had a story written that established him as having his mind screwed with by the Wizard to be evil again.
>>155694135It's just easier. do you wanna rename every symbiote every time say Toxin or Scream gets a new host. It would be too much with how much musical chairs is played with the symbiotes. Venom is the designation of the symbiote and Eddie is just Venoms ideal partner at this point. Otherwise we would need a name for Peter, MJ, Flash, Mac Gargan and countless others just for one symbiote.
>>155695175Or they could not make them all sluts. "WE ARE VENOM" is famous, but it no longer means much.
>>155695255At the end of the day symbiotes are spider-man power armour, you can't expect them to not hand it out like candy every now and then for fun. You may as well complain about Blackcat, Aunt May and MJ all using Ironman armours at one point, let alone how many he's made for friends over the years.
>>155695351That is definitely something to complain about!
It's simple. You add some sexy fashion made from the symbiote to pic rel, as well as some MJ hair made from the symbiote or keep it bald depending on other design elements, and you're set. You don't change the symbol unless you have a strong synthesis of the ferocity/strength the OG has with some female touch to it. That's how you do a She-VenoMJ design.
>>155695460I can't believe how fucking wasted VenoMJ was.The easiest slamdunk and it's a trashfire nothing, another sacrifice to Jared.We could have had yandere VenoMJ chasing Peter, antics of her trying to enroll Dylan in school or Venom causing mayhem on a set or runway.Instead we got what?
>>155695563Well the Symbiote isn't really that kind of character anymore, and there were too much superheroing and subplots for the later two things.
>>155695831Ewing is the writer, he could have made it whatever.Instead all things are drawn into the Fogle black hole - again.
>>155683776>by fans
>>155685529Knowing Marvel, they'll undo OMD but make Peter and MJ hate each other
>>155696718I mean one realistic outcome of OMD would be Peter and MJ having a complete crisis of faith, not only in each-other but themselves as being worthy of love.It can easily be used by a hack to drag it out, but the last twenty years of damage if not retconned would be enough to drive them to the brink if they had a moment of true recollection.
>>155696842I think it would hit harder if OMIT wasn't canon, to be honest. As it is, everything that happened during their marriage still happened, they just weren't married during all of it.
>>155683688MJ should be werewolf by night.
Jean plagiarizing MJ's entire role
With newer fanart I can almost never tell if the redhead pictured is meant to be MJ or not due to MCU fans
Bring back her being the vessel of her ancestor Red Sonja. I know Marvel doesn't have the rights, but Dynamite would probably lend them out for 5 bucks and a pack of gums.
>>>155698593Baggy eyes = Jean and no baggy eyes = MJ?
>>155698664This. MCU Jean is always drawn with baggy eyes, a scowl, a big head, and usually her outfit.
>>155684226You know, I always wondered if this was inspired by the way the Enchantress's water elemental was drawn to look a lot like MJ back in Secret Wars.
>>155698709There are people deliberately drawing Jean in a way to emphasize that she looks like smart Jane now
>>155698769Don't think sso.
>>155698593Isn't Jean flat and MJ curvy?
>>155683688Black is nice but I prefer red.Still working to improve the metal and not happy with the symbol. cant seem to create one i like.
>>155699356Middle one is nice. It reminds me of her Iron Spider costume.
>>155683840>LizDoes anyone even know about Liz being Misery?
>>155699943Yes see here >>155685038
I wish Rivals roster Eganrac MJ.
>>155700284She’ll be called Anti-Carnage
>>155699306This is what they took from you.
>>155699356Gold on white and gold on red both look good but they look like Jean Grey Phoenix force suits. Gold on red is not only jean color and iron spider's color but worse then that it's to close to red on yellow which is Jessica Drew colors. Black on gold just looks bad but at least no one is using the color scheme already. They should just use her Spinnet suit with gold webs or something. It's not the prettiest suit but at least it doesn't feel derivative. No one is using white and red outside Liz and it works with anti-carnage. Venom is white on black, anti-venom is black on white, carnage is black and white on red, anti-carnage is red on black and white and if they need to throw in a little gold for continuity then that's fine.
>>155700565Spinnerette costume is made for a MILF body.Main universe MJ is not a MILF
>>155700402i hope she doesn't stay as anti carnage. I don't want her to be a venom character.
>>155701016It’s working for Flash.
>>155701016Anti Symbiotes are barely symbiotes. It's glorified power armour. There's no separate personalities, I can see people not wanting MJ to have powers in general but anti-symbiotes are as good as any other random powerset.
>>155701096This
>>155700565Holy fuck this design....I have fucking hated it day one.It's like they deliberately sandbagged it.
>>155701110It's no were near perfect but domino masks and cowl work better than full face masks let alone symbiote tongue for female characters and the color scheme is good. It's surprising under used at least for female heroes. I can only really think of Hawk of Hawk and Dove and Canadian themed characters like Captain Canuck and Guardian off the top of my head.
>>155701070I don't care about Flash, at this point all he is good for will be to cause problems for Peter and MJ. that's probably why they brought him back.
>>155683688the insistence of lefty losers having to make everything about girlbosses and constantly simpying for entilted whores is why nobody reads comics anymore.women in comics should only exist as damsels, supportive loving girlfriends or for sex appeal
>>155701581Flash should turn into a multiverse agent in a symbiote sub division to be like ICE but for symbiote multiverse refugees so there is a way to bring back E1051 Anne Weying again.
>>155701070How is it working for Flash exactly? He has bullshit powers, Doesn't have an ongoing, and is simping after pauls sloppy seconds. Thats right MJ isnt even Peters ex girlfriend anymore she is pauls ex. Flash was more interesting when he was a drunk.
>>155685038Funny Venom bonded with everyone including Carnage/Jessica Drew. How did he not see their location?
>>155701580>domino masks and cowl for females>let alone symbiote tongueSomeone....back me up...this man....This dogshit taste....these opinions...tiresome. Yes in any other case, domino masks, cowls are very hot on women and a girl with a long tongue like that are not hot or good looking. But....this is Spider-Man and spider-adjacent characters. The full face mask whether cloth or symbiote is the whole point. The mobface/faceless look is kino when using spider/Ditko-iconography. Mayday and Gwen are the most recognizable and well-liked DESIGNS (keyword there, not character, though yeah Mayday is beloved). I will admit Julia Carpenter is quite hot. But...I just think the exposed face is so soulless and is part of dime a dozen female hero costume design features. I can't help it, I'm biased towards monster women when concerning symbiotes and facelessness with spider-costumes. MJ's iconic feature is her hair. But the same could be said for Gwen with her headband.
>>155683688And marvel does not deserve you money. here enjoy the bad review about the The Amazing Spider-Man #1000 in this thread,>>155702546
>>155687064>How does 616 MJ's reputation recover?it doesn't there is no coming bak from this>>155688494it is too late for rthat a recton won't do any good,
>>155701581>>155702169Is he even gonna be relevant to what's going on with MJ anytime soon? The last interaction they had IIRC was one panel where they were fussing over Dylan.
The only good representation MJ got in the last 20 fucking years was the 2017 cartoon. Now you have moviefags saying he should move on to Jean!! JEAN GREY!!!BECAUSE MJ HAS TOO MUCH DRAMA!!
Jean is best for Peter.
>>155683867This is why I can't ever wrap around the mutant shit, how the hell can you tell who is and isn't a mutant?Also they're preying on MJ's fears to get another kid in their pity school, even if she isn't a mutant herself.The "we're mutants and we're so oppressed!" shit has to stop, no one fucking cares.
>>155703650Remember in the 90s cartoon when they wanted Peter to join when he was turning to man spider and he just wanted be cured and Xavier refused because he doesn't cure mutations
>>155703650X-Gene, though you can't just eyeball someone and know they have an X-geneThe traditional meaning of a mutant is an organism born with a genetic difference from the parents, so by that meaning Peter's kids who are born with spider powers should automatically qualify as "mutants" even though they don't have the X-gene. But that isn't what it is supposed to mean in Marvel.
>>155702941I don't think Flash is even going to appear in MJ's mini
>>155702881I disagree, its not too late. Even if you are correct and it is, there are fans that do want it retconned, so they should retcon it. I think people that don't like Mary Jane want the ammunition, that's why those kinds of people don't want it retconned. It was a bullshit story used to antagonize fans.
>>155704107You're replying to the Gwenschizo, anon.
>>155704122I thought it was Perch, Lowe, Slot or Whacker
>>155703650>Also they're preying on MJ's fears to get another kid in their pity school, even if she isn't a mutant herself.to be fair the X mansion is a safe haven for gifted youngsters. It's a good way to train her to use her powers and keep her safe from humans who might react negatively
>>155704107MJ's reputation as a love interest has been absolutely fucked by Dead Language.She failed the Odyssey test, which whilst perhaps realistic it's not the kind of love beyond all the devil would covet. It's also insane because love isn't like a coat you take off, Peter returning from death would be a joyous occasion and not whatever the fuck Wells wrote.
>>155703070>The only good representation MJ got in the last 20 fucking years was the 2017 cartoonThat wasn't even MJ. MJ is a party girl. The type that regularly goes clubbing and takes selfies. The type that doesn't take things seriously until somebody says something about her. The type to have daddy issues. The type that goes on dates with different dudes. The type to lead on losers like Harry by the nose and talk shit about him behind his back. That's MJ.
>>155704477That's why you either retcon it or recontextualize it as MJ being manipulated by Mephisto
>>155704698To this day I have no fucking idea why they didn't make Paul a force ghost like the kids.You had your cheap drama and couldn't care less about an out, and clearly lost faith in whatever nonsense direction you had planned or even Betty Brant'ing MJ. Just have him fade away like a big dumb bad dream.
>>155704800They were probably still in that 'fuck the fans' scorched earth mindset then, I don't know why Ewing made him look way better than he actually was but I guess while Marvel's thrown away that mindset and tried rolling a lot of it back they're still too egotistical to admit that they fucked up hard
>>155704912Ewing sacrificed so much time and panels to the black hole, and then relied on a relationship between Dylan and MJ he failed to establish because of the former.He's the reverse midas.
ADDRESS ME
>>155705001No one will, wells.
>>155705066Part of that is Kelly.
>>155700565Is there a green Spider-Man?
>>155702199*This comic takes place before Spider-Versity 5* and be done with it.
Uh Oh
>>155705399Man that art ain't doing it for me.
>>155705399Kek, can't wait for the inevitable "We can finally touch each other" bit.
>>155705780>80▶>>>155705399>Kek, can't wait for the inevitable "We can finally touch each other" bit.ahaaha nick you scamp
>>155705399It seems getting rid of Shogun was just changing the lipstick on the pig. I am so sick of theses people.
>>155705399Why do marvel keeps hiring this faggot and tumblr colorist
>>155706146We are still in the Shogun era, we're not seeing the finished works of how weedwacker is going to fare as EIC until early next year.This is just holdover to keep MJ busy because Kelly has subzero interest in writing her. And I would much prefer he doesn't, she's been crawling through the Shawshank ending for the past decade.
Why is this office so shit at writing women?
>>155706159He's a great artist. The problem being that he excels at movie posters, pinups and wall scrolls.Not comic books that need to be done in 2 weeks as his quality takes a massive nosedive.
>>155705399>this is what a mother looks like to your average mandate cabal
>>155705399Just get rid of the fucking symbiote already if you're gonna have a shitty artist and a shitty design.>>155704480Bait used to be believable. And sometimes it didn't consist of the same disproven arguments.
>>155706190You cant keep having her jump from Man to man. Especially Flash! THEY JUST DID THIS! this is going to sell terribly.
Perch is an access monkey, he just got used big time. you'll see.
>>155705399>>155704099I guess I was wrong kek, they're still trying to do this shit
Flash will just be used for more b8ing (at most). She'll be single until next year where they get paired.Of course whether any of the damage is addressed and they speak like mature adults about the horrible events and attitudes of the past decade honestly is another taller order. Frankly 616 Peter and MJ are just pathetic shells at this point, let Mephisto take them.
>>155705399Let me guess, all this will culminate in Flash confessing in the last issue of the mini, then getting turned down by MJ (with her giving a monologue about wanting more time to herself), then we'll get another 'will they, won't they' routine with Peter and MJ after the mini ends.
>>155706782Poor Flash.
>>155706748I don't think Marvel realizes that most people view MJ (and ASM as a whole) with apathy at this point; they're not gonna get any new readers just by baiting the audience, not when they've spent the past four years butchering the character.
>>155706207Because they hate women.
>>155706825MJ is leading him on
>>155706851ASM doesn't get new readers, it exhausts and baits the old. It's slipped from the #1 juggernaut in sales to a lagging and limping top 10. This is the number one Superhero in the world that makes billions at the box office, but he can't beat reliably the roster from the other guys.They crave the youth audience, but do nothing but alienate them and have the same old heads who don't understand them writing.Compare Marvel Rivals treatment of Peter and MJ to 616, one of these makes money and has the youth engagement. It's not just a medium thing, Absolute Batman gets a new readership.
>>155706639>The news that ASM fans will be happy about is MJ dating Flash because he isn't Paul and is an OG Spider-Man characterKek, can you imagine if this is what he's talking about?
>>155706851MJ was loyalty and warmth, she has been anything other than her strengths for so very long and they keep giving her worthless accolades like saving the world without actually fixing the root of the problem which is being supportive of people around her.Compare how classic MJ would have handled Dylan to this modern absent foster-parent child endangering MJ.
>>155706984Flash is too good for her at this point.Both MJ and Peter need to be single and working on themselves for a long time. Peter get a backbone and a life outside your Aunt. MJ come to terms with how wasted your last few years have been on literal nothing relationships with hot-air and get some introspection on how you treated your real ones.Fucking hell.
>>155707050You think he'll actually lose Aunt May (whether because her memories don't return or she finally fucking dies) in this arc?
>>155707096Memories remain gone, Peter goes muh life endangers her and it leaves the door open for a reunion down the road for another writer to fix.
>>155704053He refused because he didn’t know how and Spidey broke into their home and antagonised everyone when he could have just run the doorbell and asked for help.
>>155706984>Marvel actually tries pushing MJxFlash>Flash even proposes and MJ accepts>Whole segment with Peter having to learn to let go and finally trying to move on from MJ>MJ ends up getting cold feet because of her feelings for Peter just before the wedding and bails on Flash a la Spider-Man 2>MJ runs to Peter's apartment and walks in on him rawdogging the shit out of FeliciaYour thoughts, anons?
>>155707134It's very important that Marvel isolates Peter even more, he's had too much joy in his life lately.
>>155696718I honestly thought about this option like yeah it’s undone but imagine both of them having to carry basically two sets of memories
>>155707206What's even the end goal character-wise by making him lose everyone around him?
>>155707205I'm an accelerationist for ASM imploding and getting a reset, so by all means.>>155707206They blew up his life twice and he has literally nothing beyond his now amnesiac aunt and his pet quippy aliens.
>>155707264No end goal, just a suffering sponge to squeeze. This isn't a character anymore, this is the Book of Job without a reward at the end for keeping the faith.
>>155707284So he's basically gonna be Spider-Man full time.
>>155705869>meanwhile the Flash in MCU who shared a universe with Raimi-Man, Garfield-Man, and Holland-Man which basically made him the highest performing live action FlashThe cognitive dissonance is off the charts.
>>155707386He's been subsumed by the mask worse than Batman, which is darkly hilarious.Batman is more a friendly neighborhood family-man now.
>>155707205They should just make everyone in the series a cuck at this point.
>>155698769No it was (mostly) an unused idea for how to end the Clone Saga while still getting single Peter>Market the end as "the death of the clone">Ben Reilly dies>But shock twist pregnant MJ also dies due to clone degradation>Have an arc about finding the real MJ>Real MJ losing years of her life supersedes any issues Peter has about losing his wife and child
>>155706825Just get him and Felicia back together
>>155707264The goal is to make Peter ISOLATED and FORGOTTEN, to make him realize that he's a danger to everyone around him so that he'll become an emo and rename himself into the Lone Spider because he's alone and doesn't have any friends or family
>>155707205if they were going to do this why not do it during QIB?
>>155707745Because they're trying to draw in new readers and failing
>>155707745QIB was a complete wet fart of an event that did nothing but seperate VenoMJ to ensure this concept doesn't get used for anything of interest.
>>155706748I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel had them date for a couple issues.
>>155705399Its going to be nothing. Doubt they're even going to interact in any romantic fashion.Also why isnt he suiting up, what a lazy superhero.>>155706748This, probably>>155706851I dont know, most readers dont blame the character, most readers just shit on nick lowe.>>155706782Honestly, most likley option. That or, geniunely nothing comes out of it at all. And flash doesnt pop up again.
>>155706748they have been doing the flash stuff for a while now
>>155706984I dont think that's what perch means anon.>>155707205They're not going to do that lol.
>>155708266You guys keep saying this but they keep doing it!!!!
>>155708278By which it means, no one but kelly treating it as if its a real thing lol. Its just going to be that.>Flash will look at mj longingly>mj will make a comment about friendship>nothing else will happen cause its a 4 issue mini using mj to do something with her on her anniversary year
>>155707205Needs to get Betty involved somehow. She's good at this kind of thing.
>>155708301And they keep doing nothing with it! Its just like BND writers actually putting peter with mj. They wont do it. Paul broke the concept of MJ dating anyone else, for good or ill.
Something to remember also is..no new plans will be visible untill the announce the comics from next year's feburary (will that be october or later?). All of this is still the shogun's dark deeds.
>>155705177Only the most underrated Symbiote Lasher and I guess green trench coat Spider-Gwen from that alt universe one shot but she's just wearing Peter's suit plus her coat.
>>155708290>They're not going to do that lol.I know, I doubt they'll even have Flash and MJ get together in the first place. At best they'll have a couple dates, but I don't see them actually pushing hard for it.
>>155708346Will Wacker be any better, though?
>>155683688That's not how this works. It's not a "turn-based" system. Women don't seem to understand. Women bitching about no female pres "It's OUR turn!!"
>>155708504Depends how hard the disney bosses have the whip or not. They seem to have the whip pretty close so...If nothing else, expect bigger swings
>>155705399How many people genuinely want to see this pairing actually happen? The only person I've seen who wants this is some Xitter tranny who also thinks Paul didn't help commit genocide.
>>155708290What do you think Perch is hinting at, anon?
>>155708575No one, but desu, 90 to 10, this isnt going to happen. Either I this is just being used for exposition about the symbiote, before mj leaves for los angeles or he is there, but at best looks at her like twice and nothing happens. Realistically the first seems more likley.
>>155708609I mean, says that its a part of the road, so i assume some marriage teasing? Or even just pairing peter/mj backup post kelly? Seems pretty likley? That makes the most sense id say?
>>155708613>Flash doesn't appear again after the first issue>MJ starts having romantic tension with Tony instead
>>155708644Lol, tony is in jail rn, isnt he?
>>155708660I haven't been keeping up with Iron Man, I just know he'll be appearing in the second issue
>>155708504>>155708552I honestly expect it to be worse, Wacker was the editor on ASM at the beginning of BND. The only way it's not more of the same shit is if Disney mandates that they stop ruining Spider-Man.
>>155708700Wasn't Wacker the one running defence for the rapey elements of Spock?
>>155708700Wacker's boss is a 90s fan, so, there's that.I also think that if wacker does make it worse, he wont last. Disney finally decided to start firing people as long as dc is beating them.
>>155708726Yeah, admibtely he was also the one that told him not to do dead no more, so.
>>155708321>Paul broke the concept of MJ dating anyone else, for good or ill.I doubt it. It definitely turned Marvel off from doing anything as inflammatory as Paul, though.
>>155708794Its something to consider, just how infamous it is. I dont think we'll see mj dating anyone else for a while. (Assuming OMD doesnt get reversed within this decade, as history's rhyme would demand)
>>155708846I can see them pairing MJ and Flash for a couple of issues, but outside of that I don't see her getting with anyone else than Peter, unless they make her bi and have her and Felicia scissor.
>>155708887I dont see them pairing her with flash, especially not in a mini series, if it'd happen it would be in asm. But i also dont see kelly wanting to do that. He seems to not want to write MJ whatsoever.
>>155708632>marriage teasingYeah, I highly doubt that.
>>155708967I mean, wouldnt shock me if its something the 90s disney guy told them to do. "Yo, marry them again, i like when they were"
>>155709043>90s disney guyWho's this again?
>>155708917>you guys have been saying this for a while. >their not going to do the flash thingthe time has come to start keking spider man Fans they wont listen despite the outcry.
>>155709096Always bet on editorial doing the most retarded thing.
>>155709102Always bet on editorial baiting the most retarded thing, and then not doing it
>>155709102>>155709153It's ego. It always goes back to ego.
>Paul got to rape by omission MJ for years and got away with it, including having his victim and the person he said was dead for said years attend his funeral616 is more grimdark than 40k.
>>155709248
>>155709303>peter I killed someone>lmao no you didn't MJ :)>you're right Peter and now I will go direct a movie as Kelly doesn't want to write meWhat even are these characters
>>155709073New head of publishing.
>>155709303You replace or edit MJ's face from a lot of the Wells run with this and suddenly the story makes a lot more sense.
OKAY I GIVE UP!!!! Let MJ have her own book, let MJ carry her own book. let this whore carry her own book. NO HELP. If it doesn't reach numbers it doesn't get continued and the characters are damned! they are no shows for 5 years
>>155709547It isn't even doing well with help.
>>155708575A bunch of people of Twitter want to see it happen
>>155709816Twitter's full of retarded, delusional trannies.
>>155705399>MJ gets to head her own production company while Peter has to deal with his evil cousin and the fact that his aunt and mother figure doesn't remember him anymoreMJ has to appear and be Peter's shoulder to lean on after all this, right...?
>>155709816>A bunchAnon, the one person who does, doesnt even get to 4 likes.More people want to see peter fuck norman.
>>155709935They conveniently wrote everyone Peter knew as dumb or uncaring when Doc Ock took over his body for a year. So no everyone who knows Peter and May and how close they are will be conveniently missing from the story.
>>155709935Peter doesn't get sympathy or his problems treated with any care or gravity by others anon.You do that and you end up with an MJ comforting Peter after Gwen died, this office hates genuine human moments like that.
>>155709990How did Peter not crash the fuck out after Superior?He should have felt betrayed, disgusted and just left NY.Oh right, Slott.
Ban check
>>155709990>>155710056>>155710096When is he gonna go full edgelord?
>>155710137He did fucking twice in Wells run and it was done and dusted in no time, used as a strawman for audience criticisms.There should be an avalanche of grievances from a hot-head, but Peter isn't allowed to be more than a neutered quipping all-forgiving mascot.
>>155709956I've seen a couple posts on it with 20-50 likes, it's still a minority but still
>>155710137>>155710196>Don't worry fans! I FUCKING LOVE DR. WHO SO IT'S ALL FINE!!!!>IT'S COMICS!!!! SO JUST ACCEPT RETARDATION AND SHUT UP!!!!!So yeah see you guys in the NYCC threads when that happens.
>>155710487I don't get the Doctor Who one.
>>155710487They have internalized comic critics to the point of agreeing, and allowing them to be disposable and washed.It's like when Lowe and the gang talk about the romances being soap operas as an excuse for how hackneyed and awful they are. And I fucking wish we had romances like telenovellas at this point, at least we'd see Peter or MJ emote.
>>155710478And the Parker family post on X got three million views. Flash if it goes off is bad filler. Anything that gets away from fixing the industries most obvious and egregious continued mistake is filler. Some comic creators have devoted their careers in trying to support this filler, they had filler careers.
>>155710669>Parker family postWhich one was this?
>>155710768https://x.com/SpiderMan/status/1717651146855039173It's actually approaching 5 million views.They know it's popular. They know it sells. They don't care. This isn't about economics but ego.
>>155710542Slott cares way more about Dr. Who than Spider-Man.
>>155709935No, she won't.
>>155707408>Former marine caught by Chris HansenFFS Flash
>>155708609Who the fuck is Perch and what the fuck does he know
>>155683688Just replace her with Carlie Cooper
>>155711605Fuck off, Joe.
>>155711605Please god no
>>155711605Peter should date Carol instead
>>155710825>5 million viewsThat's not alot.
>>155711716For comics? That's massive.And it sure beats Flash/MJ.
>>155711709That was a cute ship that got killed too early, it would be interesting having Peter be the lightweight/underpowered comparative mortal in a relationship.
>>155711605Stern...
>>155710629If they did include the bit it'd have been better. Atleast there would be some tension.
>>155711775They are allergic to making anything of the mess they made.It's just this thing they don't want to acknowledge now, like you can just walk off something twice the length of the Clone Saga.
>>155711812all because of an incompetent editorial. Its a shame really
>>155683688Just replace her with Michele Gonzales
>>155711870this but unironically
>>155711870Leave Peter alone you rapist.
>>155683688Just replace her with Cindy Moon AKA Silk
>>155711922Slott no.
>>155711870Rape Peter more please
>>155711842an incompetent and spiteful editorial*
>>155709303Yeah this news killed my mood to actually buy books. Like Flash? Did they not get the previous message? Wtf?
>>155712232An incompetent, spiteful and stupid editorial*
>>155712246>Yeah this news killed my mood to actually buy books.The past four years of ASM didn't already do that?
>>155712293Four?
>>155712246>Like Flash? Did they not get the previous message? Wtf?They did, they're just too egotistical to actually go along with it without spiting the fans first
>>155712293Given the end of QIB I was considering it. But the ending is tainted after seeing the allen book.
>>155712363QIB cemented the fact those fake kids were important to MJ, despite how insane they make her and how impossible it is to square it with any kind of character that makes sense.
Why is it so difficult to get a peter and mj ongoing book. It pisses me off.
>>155712439Bitter bottleneck at the top refusing to give the audience what they want.
>>155712439Because the editorial wants to keep Peter and MJ separate for as long as possible
>>155712408That can't be true. Isn't QiB supposedly inspired from Marvel Rivals? That game took a potshot at OMD, meanwhile those fake kids in comics only make OMD harder to retcon.
>>155712594>only make OMD harder to retconNothing's impossible to retcon in superhero comics, anon.
>>155712609Spoffice absolutely detests Marvel Rivals at this point. Mephisto retcon the Wells arc if what you say is still true. Put those fake kids in the same place as DeFalco's May Parker and the unnamed OMD baby.
>>155712594Rivals can inspire but nothing creative survives the Spider Office pipeline.
>>155712649Difference is May Parker and Anna-May are liked and wanted by the audience, whilst the fake children make MJ look like a nut who somehow didn't notice them aging or any of the other signs they weren't real.God what a turgid shit they threw her in. How many kids has she lost now?
>>155712693>How many kids has she lost now?It can be anywhere from 0 to 5 depending on the writer.
>>155712788>5I feel like I miss one character. Care to name who those characters could be and which comics/issues were they from?
>>155712594Yeah, Rivals did QiB first and Cates said it was a great idea and a few months later we were getting solicits for it
>>155713044I was including Dylan in that count but I guess we'll see if MJ 'loses' him or not in the mini.
>>155713064He's as good as gone, the circumstances of him being around were always bizarre and changeable, now that Venom is gone what connection does she even have with him?Basically MJ going from one parent trap to another, and social services didn't have any eye raises to another mystery child under their roof?
Kill Lowe
>>155713081Just bring in E1051 Anne Weying, let her raise Dylan with Eddie, expand Flash's Space Knight arc, and regroup MJ and Peter back so both of them could solve their Mephisto arc which should be started by interrogating Norman Osborn while juggling their civilian lives.
>>155683688Nope, she deserves absolutely nothing of Peter. She can go fuck Tony and Dylan at the same time though.
>>155710096Wasn't she a retired vet working as a NASA security head while Peter was a college freshman?
>>155713081She's probably flagged under whatever the government has for superheroes to avoid bothering with their strange time-travel/clones/etc. nonsense. Even if she has a secret identity, she's had a habit of being involved in weird things as a civilian.
>>155704107if they wanted to fix this then they would done so by now. The fact they haven't suggests it will remain canon for good.>>155704698Here lies the problem they can't keep calling up mephisto or mysterio to "fix" things like this. and you idea in the past that this MJ was a clone or imposter of some kind has now gone out the window. This makes it clear this is the real MJ. If she really was a clone of some kind then I dount they would reference this
>>155712246>buying ASM>in 2026Why would you ever admit this, even anonymously?
>>155711733>For comics? That's massive.For everything else, it isn't.
>>155710478Never saw one with 50 desu.>>155711716Anon, for comics its a massive amount
>>155714718>for comics its a massive amountLikes doesn't translate to units sold. It's easy to like and re-tweet something. But will they show the money?
>>155714587I, Gwenschizo, have CASTRATED MYSELF. It's high time that I ADMIT IT. I am RETCONNING my own HISTORY to the fact, I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CASTRATED. My entire EXISTENCE is for the SOLE PURPOSE of being a WASTE of FLESH that lives in TORMENT as other MEN, preferably GOBLIN MEN, fill my WIFE'S, the WHORE, GWEN STACY HOLES. This IMPOSTOR I am REPLYING to will bring up the fact this was retconned by Nick Spencer. In fact, THIS IS UNTRUE. I HAVE GWEN'S ORGASMIC FACE IN SIN'S PAST TATTOOED ON MY CHEST. I HAVE IT PLAYING IN MY MIND 24/7. And I have it on AUTHORITY that Tom Brevoort my MASTER and BVLL whispers the fact it is still CANON to this day. Nick Lowe-Quality also has made CERTAIN to put his DYSGENIC and UGLY FACE in my ASS every NIGHT as well. POLAND KNOWS AND DENOUNCES MY EVERY ACTION. My translator IN FACT, has been MISCOMMUNICATING this ENTIRE TIME. EVERY PREVIOUS POST OF MINE WAS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I MEANT.
>>155714777Be serious wiil you and stop spamming they are not going recton her bad deeds or revel that she is a clone or that mephisto used her.
Nerds really have to stop thinking they lucked out with a ran through chick. It doesn't matter how hot she is. There's a reason the guys she's fucked didn't want her anymore. And no, she didn't "mature". She's just nearing 30 and sees her friends getting married so she tries to get with you, the friendzoned guy or backup boy in this case. She doesn't see you for the first time. You're just an easy bet.
>>155714873DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS IMPOSTOR.REMEMBER: MY NEW RETCON CONTAINED TO THIS POST IS THAT THIS IMPOSTOR AND ALL PREVIOUS POSTS OF HIS ARE THE RESULT OF TIME-DISPLACEMENT AND A BROKEN TRANSLATORThis can be plainly evidenced by the broken english and refusal to see reality that they are growing desperate as editors and 1000 probably underperformed since there are no news or sales bragging about it. Funny, how their muh sales argument has backfired on them in recent years.ANYWAY, THE LACK OF ANY REASON OR EVIDENCE ALSO SHOWS THAT THIS IMPOSTOR IS STILL UNDER THE EFFECTS OF A SEMEN HIGH. IT WAS A WILD NIGHT WHEN THE JANNIES, BND SLOTT, LOWE, AND BREVOORT TOOK TURNS. BY THE END OF IT, I THINK EVERYONE HAD BEEN CASTRATED.
>>155714938That all sounds like cope and faggotry. You can't find enjoyment in when the book was good and the fact a guy can land a beautiful, fun, and smart woman? Kek. I can't imagine being that keked.
>>155714873Ok then report him then? What? Is there perhaps some reason that...you can't? That you maybe are...spamming yourself or are doing other rule-breaking actions, faggot? If a schizo pedophile is playing at janny, then you must take the heat if you're gonna even approach the kitchen.
>>155714742Ultimate Spider-Man outsold ASM 1000.
>>155714938But in this instance its Flash. Flash is the one simping after sloppy seconds. Sloppy fourths or fifths really.
>>155714970>the fact a guy can land a beautiful, fun, and smart woman?Peter's a catch. No shit, he can pull.
>>155715240And where is it now? Hm?
>>155715293Yeah then tell it to this guy >>155714938>>155715306Hey uh, we've had this thread before. Marvel obviously cancelled it to save face and/or because it was made to only run that long as an experiment for an eventual reboot of the 616. We heard how there's rumblings of something going down eventually. And with Disney breathing down their neck in California, it's time for them to rape editorial and make sure money is made ro at least good PR for Marvel as a brand is made, not spiteful vanity projects.We've seen how toxic they have made themselves out to be, we've seen this for 20 years now. And we've seen what they did to Spider-Man. It's time they get ousted and humiliated, once and for all.
>>155715306It outsold ASM for its entire run and only ended because Marvel ended the Ultimate line.
>>155715551>Yeah then tell it to this guyPeter isn't the guy that anon's talking about.
>>155715555It was crap.
>>155715659It turned to crap. That's not the fucking point you dense motherfucker. It OUTSOLD ASM. That's all. So even if it critical knocks against it, it was still outselling ASM.>>155715646Sorry I speedread that post and yours and I had a retard moment. Ok I see the argument now. Yeah uh MJ is being written OOC, simple as. The argument that anon says is true but it shouldn't mean MJ is written to be instantly forgiven nor should it mean she is depicted as a whore/cheater. It should just mean this whole mess should be retconned into not even happening and forgotten about. And yeah Flash shouldn't be subjected to this either.
>>155683688Mary Jane only exist as love interest for Peter, if she can't be that then there's no reason to have her around. Either send her to some european country to be a model or kill her.
>>155715112What the fucking are you talking about what spam this pic pretty much proves that is the REAL MJ.>>155714587do yoy really thiink they would think reference that unless she was a clone or a skrull? get real dude facts that is the real mary jane now fuck off.
>>155716678Don't know who you are fag, but I listen to the real authorities >>155714950 on this subject and it looks like you're just an impostor and perhaps a schizon, pedophile yourself.
What if they killed MJ, Felicia and Aunt May. Also, Flash Miles and Gwen and the rest of the Spider "Family".
>>155716849Then it would be an accelerationist AU that ultimately is a doomed end and thus justifies a reboot. So yeah do it, I don't care. It would also remove all of BND's legacy on the title.
I heard if you hit gwenschizo with the reduction beam, it would reduce him to his base fundamental building block form, which is just a pile of odorous bullshit on the ground.
>>155716803You stll think that MJ is a imposter of sone kind ? hahahah boy you people are dumb. Now listen good I am sick of you fanfiction ideas on how to fix MJ and recton paul. You people are bad enough as tthe ones who do the fanfiction works on how Gwen should be brought back. Well I have news for you they will never fix MJ or recton Paul.And another thing I am sick of all the debate between fans and in which gir namely MJ or Gwen is the better one for peter. That will end soon enough for you see I have a idea on how to end that debate once and for all. And I will soon put into in effective.
>>155717294Why is this talking pile of bullshit talking? I found this raygun and it did sone crazy beam and I heard some moaning sounds and a silhouette in the distance disappeared and when I approached, this pile of shit started talking. I think it is bets left ignored.
>>155717332Hmm...this is crazy guys. These typos seem to show that this post is coming from Poland uses a translator. That must mean a polish person found the gun and shot gwenschizo and made this post using the translator....whoa....hopefully they find the kids that were trapped by him in his basement.
>>155715285Peter thought she was for the streets.
>>155717332>Why is this talking pile of bullshit talking?It's realy quite simple this how the debate between fans and on where it be MJ or Gwen is the better girl for peter is going to end.We ae going to do a a poll in which fans get to vote which is the better girl for him of course you MJ fans if you can decline the challenge. But if you do that then would indicate you are afraid you might ose. And thus you will labeled as cowards/Chickens and well you have to wear a chicken outfit for life. And that will not be the only poll we have oh no we are going to have in which you get to vote should Gwen Stacy be revived or not.So what do you say MJ fans are you ready to end the debate once and and accept the challenge or should we gwen fans label you chicken now and get the chicken oufit already? think before you answer this
>>155716050>MJ is being written OOCBro, she's a basic bitch. Why pretend MJ by Lee and Romita didn't exist?
>>155717642No, he doesn't. they are like 18 or 19 here and don't know anything about life. Peter doesn't under stand that MJ is in love with him and I'm sure MJ is confused as well. Meanwhile Harry is using her MJ because of his self esteem issues.I feel like they need a moment like this in the Paul era where MJ gets drunk at a party and tries to kiss or flirt with Peter and he pushes her away
>>155717739She has grow beyond that
>>155717739>exposes himself as a secondary and has 0 literacyYep. Who could've seen that coming?
>>155714950>>155714777I have never been a a fan os a spam or you quite frankely. besides you alwways did shit on Gwen which is why i am doing this.
>>155717892>Meanwhile Harry is using her MJ because of his self esteem issues.
>>155718551>>155718646>>155718693Much better.
>>155717911Same cope that nerds use when the hot girl finally notices them.
MUH GWENMUH GWEEEEEEEEEEN
>>155718753See this confirms it MJ was nothing but a party girl she was never meant to be endgame for Peter it's always been Gwen.
>>155718815I still prefer her over MJ
>>155718790are you talking about Harry or Flash?
>>155718895We know that you work at marvel
>>155717642Yes? that's the whole point of the scene in gwen's death, peter doesnt thinks he cares, but she does.
>>155715306Marvel hating money isnt that impressive, and disney noticed finally
>>155683688I actually think Mary Jane should only ever be a love interest. There are some characters that just do not work when you try to do shit with them.
>>155718929Well then knows this also we plan to get rid of MJ for good soon and bring back Gwen *rubs hands*
>>155718603So you're spamming? Ok. I reported you. I broke the announcing report rule. In that case, I win in either case because I'm free of 4chan and you and if I don't get banned then I'm free to torment you. If you get banned then I doubly win. Checkmate faggot.
>>155718790Ok then no human at any point has ever developed and changed. Thus we all should remain miserable faggot retards like you.
>>155719039posting a few pic is hardly spam lol
>>155719101They are when it's unrelated to the thread. Bitch is an irrelevant, dead whore. Bitch died in the 1970's you retard.
>>155719142anon this is technically a spider-man thread so this is relevant.now another question are you MJ fans going to accpet this poll challenge or not?>>155717720
>>155718753he was using her, she was sick of his bullshit. they were never a thing.
>>155719259From where I stand in reads the opposite to me that MJ was the one using harry.
>>155717720sure post the poll
>>155719360Faggot, he's a schizo. Unless you're just samefagging, schizo. He's gonna manipulate the results no matter what to serve his ends. Ignore and report, simple as.
>>155719228Nope.
>>155719228>MJ fansYeah uh, /co/ isn't a single person and nobody can speak for another, especially MJ fans. So you're wasting time and energy. Also these two's disagreement >>155719360 and>>155719494 cancels out so yeah your poll's meaningless. Also you're a pedophile.
>>155719333Yes, retard. She literally states she kept him around for a few laughs, but then told him to piss off when tried to claim her. Use your brain to enjoy the story underneath the surface
>>155719494>>155719545Let me it puts this way MJ fans either accept the challenge of the poll or a video will be posted on youtbe that you that they were to afraid to face it. And then to make matters even worse MJ fans will be ridiculed on sites like twiitter, reddit thus making therm look REAL bad.>>155719468hmmm tell you what as a gesture of goodwill MJ fans can make the poll itself and control it themselves that way theny can assure no funny business goes on is that not fair enough?
>>155720051Sorry I don't understand the questions, and any attempt to garner any sort of response from me or any other anon will result in no decision being made as I was unable to understand the terms laid out. Any sort of reply after this one will be deemed a samefag reply orchestrated by you in order to garner the reaction you want, to confirm your own biased desires and views. Hidden and ignored, /thread.
>>155720213okay that's enough no more games and I do mean that we are going to have that poll for REAL now.now then last chance MJ fans you can either make the poll yourselves oe we gwen fans will make it i you have exactly 24 hours to prepare and then we ar going to seetle this debate for good by making it.The poll will be made here in 24 hours https://strawpoll.com/
NUKE POLAND
If they love Gwen so much why don't they bring her back for real? Checkmate.
>>155720638Because then she'll be in the cesspit being ruined like the rest of them under this wretched regime.They get their unspoiled memory of a character that never really was and get Peter to never apparently move on for easy lazy drama milking.
I have a better idea. Throw MJ into the vault along with Harry and have Jean Grey become a yandere for Peter
