Every single argument Batman uses to rationalise NOT killing the Joker is fallacious.>The Joker can be redeemed.No, he can't, for both out-of-universe and in-universe reasons. Out-of-universe: DC writers would never make the Joker permanently good; he will always return to his evil self.In-universe: The Joker is insane, and his evil is part of his ideology. You can't reason with him because he is beyond reasoning.>You will be as evil as him.So, killing a person who has killed and tortured countless innocents is equally as evil as said person? Interesting...>Who are you to decide who lives or dies?An is-ought problem. Why do you think you are not fit to kill the Joker?>Muh law.I think the law would send the Joker to the electric chair nonetheless...>You will become more and more willing to kill after killing him.Sounds like projection to me...
>>155684392>>Muh law.I think the law would send the Joker to the electric chair nonetheless...Sorry, too much plot armor
Let us compromise and rape him instead.
>>155684392the bible says kiliing is wrong and batman is a christian and the bible also says the everyone can be redeeemed in the eyes of the lord
>I don't want to kill
>>155684419literally the only true answermurder is morally reprehensibleeven if that person is evil
>>155684419Batman is Jewish
>>155684392You already understand the real world reason for why things happen so you know the actual reason why he doesn't kill the Joker. It's why the Joker is even still alive, he was supposed to die in his second appearance but the editor at the time wisely saw it would be a waste of a good villain and added a last panel indicating he was still alive.
>>155684392Batman doesn't kill the Joker, because he decided that putting him in a prison filled with homosexual rapist prison guards is much more fitting punishment for him
>>155684392>The Joker is insane, and his evil is part of his ideology. You can't reason with him because he is beyond reasoning.There have been multiple stories where Joker has been fixed and become a good person as a result. It's a possibility, it just can't happen because then there won't be any more Joker stories.
>"why doesn't Batman kill the Joker" threads be like
>>155684392DC should just kill Joker and make Tim the new one, like in Batman Beyond. Then Batman has an actual reason not to kill him.
>>155684450Joker just being a swipe of that one panel in TKJ is probably why I fucking hate any swipes at all. They are always obvious and look like shit. Any person who excuses swipes, is a fag.Anyway, Jarvis, put a thought bubble above Joker's head as he bites his lip and make it show the BBC (Big Bat Cock).
>>155684422Yeah, setting aside >>155684435, the no-kill rule makes perfect sense for Batman and is actually pretty fundamental to him. He was born from a tragic murder, it follows perfectly that he'd have a strong aversion to killing himself even to the point that maybe it doesn't rationally work and someone else without his background might do it.
>>155684433Nope
>>155684392>You will be as evil as him.Batman doesn't make that statement. Batman says he's so psychologically unhealthy and mentally unstable that he wouldn't stop at one. He'd be like a kid with bubble wrap, only the pops are murders. Batman as a character is someone or no moral strength rather than a symbol of something more. He literally cannot be trusted not to go full punisher, because Batman is a rabid dog one itching to be let off leash.
>>155684478It’s done really well on that page though. It communicates exactly to the reader the Joker’s change was sincere.
>>155684392Another day, another bat derangement syndrome spam thread on /co/.
>>155684392no one has a moral imperative to kill another person
>>155684639Really depends on your moral framework. The usual argument is that you do if it's necessary to prevent greater harm (e.g., kill a guy as the only way to stop him from killing a bunch of other people).
>>155684478Yeah it was a damn shame Porter couldn't do that issue and Morrison got Land'd. Old Greg's been doing it for decades.
>>155684668This is the problem with introducing telepaths, it creates the question of why they don't always just do this shit that you have to dance around. J'onn says he can't maintain Joker's sane mind for long, sure, but then put him in a coma or something while they figure out a way to deal with him. Do that for all bad guys. "Why doesn't J'onn/Professor X just fix/disable all bad guys?"
>>155684639No one has the moral imprative to suck the cocks of Batman and his favorite murder hobo and yet you're doing it.
>>155684725That was Morrison JLA's solution to The Key and it worked until other writers felt like pulling him out of it. A solution to a villain is only final until someone else or even the same writer wants to use him again.
>>155684419>>155684422/thread
>>155684392>No, he can't, if you don't believe redemption is possible then you're down to executing someone for stealing a cabbage, Draco; if you don't believe redemption is possible for someone specific, then a) you are insane (you believe you can accurately see the future) and b) you are biased (you cannot in fact see the future)>The Joker is insane, and his evil is part of his ideology. You can't reason with him because he is beyond reasoning.then by definition he is incapable of forming an ideology; you would be executing him for being retarded because you're too lazy to keep him locked up - this is a you problem, not a him problem>So, killing a person who has killed and tortured countless innocents is equally as evil as said person? Interesting...oh, you're mad that the lady didn't get executed yesterday? wellyeah obviously if you're so bad at executions that you botch the majority of them, you're just a serial killer who isn't very good at itthis doesn't even address the question of whether using an execution for theatrics, let alone for election in november shenanigans is in any sense "good">>Why do you think you are not fit to kill the Joker?you ... posed a strawman and then didn't even answer it? are you retarded? you can't answer a question with a question, tard>I think the law would send the Joker to the electric chair nonetheless...maybe, in about 30 years, which nullifies any point you may have had about incarceration not working>Sounds like projection to me...you've literally just spent the entire post talking about how you want to kill more prisoners
>>155684519It make *perfect sense* because Batman isn't a paragon of mental health and anyone who think he is a rational individual or a role model need to take their meds.
>>155684419>the bible says kiliing is wrongIt says killing just to do it is wrong, but it's fine when it's self defense and in the defense of others because no shit.
>>155684392He doesn't need to kill Joker. But why won't he build a super secret, super secure, automated prison guarded by Failsafe bots?
>>155684668Oh, fucking Land? Ugh. Didn't even know he did DC stuff.
>>155684392So you want Batman to go to prison for premeditated murder?
>>155684392None of these arguments ever would have been much of a thing if Joker was just a clown man that robbed banks on occasion or made elaborate but illegal pranks sometimes. But DC had to be edgy and make him murdering clown man that killed whole neighborhoods with clown gas or acid up a middle school, or blow up a mall at Christmas and show off how eeeeeevvvviiiil the clown man is. So now it's fucking bizarre that nobody puts him down, or at least kills him for revenge after he murdered a dozen people they know.
>>155684392Canonically batman is catholic so can't we say he doesn't kill for religious reasons like Daredevil?
>>155685526Is he? I thought he was canonically descended from a line of Puritans (or at least Puritan stand-is). Didn't they show that in The Return of Bruce Wayne? The Waynes are the prototypical WASPs.
>>155685072No, I don't like the "Batman is actually just as crazy as his enemies" bullshit and there are plenty of real-world belief systems that absolutely reject killing, you don't need insanity to explain it. Midwit take.
>>155685444They try but he pops back up fine every time.
Morrison had batman explicitly say it on page, killing the joker just doesn't work in the kind of world he lives in. Simple as
>>155686618>"I don't want to kill the Joker because I have too much fun playing with him. I literally don't care how many innocent people die, as long as I can keep playtime going forever. Gotham is MY playground and if you dare to bitch about it I'll buy your house and bulldoze it because I'm still that sad little boy crying over his dead parents on the inside and I have enough fuck you money to make it everyone's problem but mine. By the way, did I say Gotham? I mean Batman City. DEAL WITH IT, BITCHES!"THEREDISCUSSION CLOSED FOREVER
>>155686913That's not what he said. If they killed the Joker he'd just come back to life, like he did every time he died at the end of a story in all those golden and bronze age comics.
>>155685853I don't care about what you like and what kind of fantastic la-la-land you live in, batfag. You're so detached from reality you fail to realize that beliefs and systems can be harmful and irrational.
>>155685879>>155687324>actually death doesn't matterYou're retarded if you don't see this a very valid reason to kill Joker whenever someone get the chance. Hell, it make Batman's no kill rule for Joker even more retarded than it is.
>>155687324>That's not what he said.You're right, that's what he should say.
>>155687528If he did it, he'd be wanted for murder or attempted murder when he inevitably popped up alive, and it'd make his job that much harder for no actual benefit. It's fine to just let him die on his own every now and then.
>>155687679Everyone in Gotham has a fetish for being murdered by the Joker. That's the only other explanation.
What kind of retard would willingly live in Gotham? Go move to Metropolis where you have a demigod in Superman to protect you and not a cosplaying manchild who cherishes his clown husband at all costs.
>>155684392Not a single person who says Batman should kill the Joker has been able to answer this one single question.>If Gotham's legal system can't deal with an obvious, easily provable crime spree on his level and either keep him locked up forever or put him in the electric chair, what problem outside of one single criminal among thousands does this actually solve?Because for all his "Probably supernatural" or whatever, Joker is at the end of the day a motherfucker with the superpower of "wears makeup and is crazy", there is not a single thing that makes him less capable of being contained than any motherfucker on death row. If Gotham can't contain him, what's Batman even bothering for? It's not like he's the only one, it's not even like he's the one with the highest body count, the most dangerous, or even the craziest. Give one single solitary argument why he shouldn't go kill Two Face, who shoots people in the face, or Killer Croc, who ate someone, or Poison Ivy who melted someone, literally dissolved them while they were still conscious. At the end of the day, the Joker is a litmus test. The minute Gotham full on says "We can't stop him ourselves ever" is the day Batman just sits back and lets Ra's finally nuke the place like he keeps trying to, because that means there's not a single goddamn person left in Sodom to save.
You forgot >Gordon would sever all ties with him and send the entire GCPD to hunt him down like a rabid animal
>>155687779Remember the time Luthor was dying so he decided to rain a bunch of missiles on Metropolis to take the entire city out with him and then Superman did everything in his power to save Luthor's life?
>>155687779See >>155687706
>>1556876791) I didn't say that Batman should be the one killing him, retard. 2) Nobody would fucking care to prosecute Joker's killer,especially if he can't die. Better, Batman already attempted murder on Joker in the past and nobody raised a brow. 3) vigilantsim isn't a job.
>>155688097>1) I didn't say that Batman should be the one killing him, retardOther people try killing Joker all the time, like that loser Jason Todd.>Nobody would fucking care to prosecute Joker's killer,especially if he can't die. Of course they would. Because it makes for a more dramatic story, and also because that's what happens to vigilantes who kill in reality, like Kyle Rittenhouse and Daniel Penny.>vigilantsim isn't a job.Bruce Wayne treats it like one. It's something he feels like he must do.
>>155688183>Other people Good for them. Everyone and their mothers should try it.>for a more dramatic story,Say you, jokerfag.>Bruce Wayne treats it like one.Yeah and he is a delusional retard who never had a real job.
>>155687330>I don't care about what you likeOf course you do because I'm right, and everyone cares about the truth.
>>155684392It's called having morals and not taking the easy way out of a situation.
>>155684392>An is-ought problem. Why do you think you are not fit to kill the Joker?What kind of rebuttal is that? Why do you think you are not fit to take over the world, anon?
>>155684392It's called being a decent fucking human being
