Why did Mariner fear advancement?
>>155690858I meanevery other week a fucking DOUCHE of an admiral comes on board (with a different uniform from the last admiral) and tells your first officer, a HUGE wheel in the machine that makes your ship run, that he needs to become a captain or he's wasting his life.wouldn't you start to look upon advancement suspiciously? What the fuck did these people want, just constant crew change-ups? makes them easier to infiltrate, I guess.
>>155690858As addressed *in the fucking show*, if she became a full officer, she would have to send her friends into danger that had a very good chance of killing them. The Dominion War fucked Mariner up real good.
>>155691006I think advancing to a higher rank in order to gain access to the wider variety menu's on the food replicator would be reason enough to do so.
>>155690858Did they ever fuck or did the guy on the left ever get pussy? This is important if im to watch the show
>>155691055And Mariner is an adrenaline junkie and higher ranks mean less direct action on basically any ship but an Enterprise.
>>155691108No. She says it herself. She thinks better when something's trying to kill her.
>>155691055That and Sito's death. But yeah. She wants to be a scientist, not a General.
>>155691071well there is that.it's funny how vague TNG kept that kinda thing. Deanna wants to relax so she wants some REAL chocolate, implying that the replicator gives you by default something ALMOST as satisfying as chocolate, but the flipside is you can eat as much of it as you want... and it offered to let her manually override it, but she was frustrated and chose not to.
>>155691085no and no what did you tink lil chuddy insel y'all?
>>155691085They become the absolute most wholesome best of friends, it's kinda great.that said.. if you absolutely need to see them together, for differing values of 'see' and 'them'.... give it a watch.>>155691172She would make an awful General but a fucking amazing Tasha Yar
>>155691085he does get pussy at least once.they don't fuck with each other during the series but get so close and co-dependent that it might definitely happen at some point.
>>155690858I'm with her, I'd want to stay as maybe a lieutenant, just so I'm not a bottom wrong on whatever ship I'm on, and then just coast until retirement. Fuck that responsibility bullshit.
>>155691071boimler gets to have sex with mariner on his birthday? God he's so lucky!
>tfw no sassive supportive bully gf
>>155691390this is cute as fuck. I wonder whom the AI studied, because I have an inkling.also yeah, I too saw "Tapestry" and thought "that's a WAY better life, AND I don't have an artificial heart?" The only part Q left out is, why wouldn't alt-Picard have a wife and kids?>>155691475I'll take a Tendi, thanks.
>>155691530>I'll take a Tendi, thanks.a sensible choice.
>>155691475same>>155691530>I wonder whom the AI studied, because I have an inkling.The answer is fucking everyone, because that's how they work ya numbskullMore specifically whatever the trainer pulled from the show to make the lora in the first place.
>>155691569that episode.. I am sad they didn't pull the trigger, but DAMN it was hot anyway>>155691598nah, you get bad results that way. they pick one or two artists to learn from for each lora or whatever.
>>155691085I don't think so but they knew their lore enough to establish - with no STDs or pregnancy risk everyone is free love as fuck in the Gene Roddenberry vision - being a dork in Star Fleet still makes you a gigachad in Federation space, women are throwing themselves at him when they visit Picard's orchard
>>155691703I took that as just kind of a plantation thing. like Bill Dauterive's cousins
>>155691085they had sex in extended media.
>>155691740what is this, some kinda mo-byle game?
>>155691669>they pick one or two artists to learn from for each lora or whatever.They train loras on the subject the lora is about, so whoever the main artist for the show is, McMahan I guess
>>155691752yeah, it's a mobile comic.
>>155691793holy shit, is that a TMP uniform?
>>155690858Why is there no decensored version of this whole scene?Better yet, why was this simple shower scene censored in a show aimed at adults?
>>155691390Reminder: She has the smallest boobs out of Tendi and her mom.
>>155691530>I'll take a Tendi, thanks.>>155691569Tendi's tender tendis.
>>155691272>get so close and co-dependent that it might definitely happen at some point.Isn't Mariner a full-on dyke?
>>155691839they probably thought they were crossing enough Star Trek boundaries.
>>155691872Tendi was so cute.
>>155691890no, she's bi. she gets the hots for all sorts of guy yet never fucks one during the series because she's a secret romantic and keep it for Boimler
>>155691961
>>155691839same reason they carefully censored the nipples when Archer and Lana openly, flesh-slappingly fucked in full view (nips aside). we're through the fucking looking glass.
>>155691900Gene always wanted more casual nudity. Almost got away with some, back during that sliver of the 80s when that would actually fly on TV. But the prop table came back transparent, and they were not QUITE ready for the full gooch yet. Not after "Steambath."
>>155691904
>>155691717they're field workers doing it for the love of the grape not landed gentry looking to inbreed
>>155692127she canonically longs for soft Vulcan boobies.
>>155692227No, she canonically wants Rutheford's big, black cyberneticaly enhanced dick.
>>155692185just saying, something about being out there in the dirt makes you horny for old bald men.>>155692261big burnt sienna* regular standard-issue* dick, and yes. But everyone wants a booby pillow once in a while.
>>155691872Tendi's FAT JUGS.
>>155692261Why can't she want both?
>>155692440Nah, Tendi is in the healthy C-cup territory.
>>155692464those look like Bs to me. Maybe on a woman who's 5'10" they'd be Cs, but she's what, 5'4"? I'm seeing MAYBE 6cm of breast tissue there.
>>155690858Oh, look, the LD spammer is at it again.As always, stop talking to yourself about the dead Rick & Morty copy.
>>155692506No, once again, Mariner has b-cups. Tendi's are bigger.
>>155692525those appear to be roughly 4cm boobies, I think she has "B-cups" the way you're allowed to round your height up when it ends in a half inch.I mean it's a cartoon anyway, maybe if you adjusted them for realistic proportions, that would change.
>>155692525
I prefer the old hag kitty titties.Th...that was set to kill! SO AM I!
>>155693022i want a young caitian gf. I would care for her every single heat like a champ.and if she needed, i'd buy an off-brand dermal regenerator to give myself barbs.
I think the Romulan Warbird is the best ship in trek followed by the Excelsior.
>>155693124all the inward-facing windows are amusing, because it's like "mind ya business. what's going on in space is none of your concern"
>>155691890>Isn't Mariner a full-on dyke?
>>155691703>>155691703That was the Boimler family grape farm. The make raisin.
>>155691421>>155691475>>155691569>Not picking Rutherford to Broms
>>155693022You're not the only one.
>>155693182it was both. the one was a reference to the other
>>155693191what
>>155692729>>155692525For me, it's Dolphin Shorts Mariner. For an entire episode, even.
>>155693022>I prefer the old hag kitty tittiesI remember when Caitians were supposed to be cute and sexy.
>>155693441You're saying Dr. T'ana isn't? Also, having one old and cranky cat-alien doesn't mean every member of the species is like that.
>>155693441the masculine hair always kinda ruined her, along with the oddly blank eyes and black mushroom nose, but.. she's still pretty hot.
>>155693568
>>155693659it is a shame they didn't keep the four digits thing. I like alien features like that.
>>155693733She showed up in Strange New Worlds recently, you know. It's horrifying.
>>155693756... the attempt was made, I suppose. I should respect them sticking so close to her, but they fucked up the nosebridge and the three-dimensionality of the muzzle completely. You actually have to work harder to screw that up.GOD new trek is weird. how the fuck is SNW still going?
>>155693779Well, technically it's been canceled.
>>155693815ah, these are the leftemovers.
>>155692464Fatter than Mariner's, at least.
>>155693441It was a rare example of making a traditionally sexy female character archetype ugly on purpose actually working out well. Mainly because the "grouchy and disturbingly horny old office lady" and the "grouchy old female cat who randomly scratches you for no reason" archetypes have great synergy, so the gag has more going for it than just the simple subversion of making the hot catgirl bimbo an abrasive old lady.
>>155691569Yeah. If what she said to Rutherford is true you'd be getting a constant eyefull of Orion boobs while in your shared quarters.
EXPERIENCE BIJ.
>>155694297YOU experience bIj!
>>155690858I'm gonna miss this show, while it was far from the best thing ever, it still charmed me
>>155694431the show's art style is already a lot better than the shows it emulates, but fanart, as usual, beats it.>gonna miss ityeahhh me too.
>>155690858Best trek to ever come out
>>155694550alright come on now.. don't vent hydrogen at me and call it a crimson force field.
>>155693756Ya know, I was assuming that was CGI after i got a good look at it last week but now it looks like an honest to god fursuit.
>>155691475those are bedroom eyes!!!
>>155695098to me it's clearly a costume with a motion-tracked CGI face
>>155691006>tells your first officer, a HUGE wheel in the machine that makes your ship run, that he needs to become a captain or he's wasting his life.Riker was in fact wasting his life, at least after TBOBW.
>>155692227wait why is Hoshigaki Kisame playing the game from "The Game"?
>>155690858In universe: she doesnt want responsibility.Writer reason: you cant have her being a rebel when your part of the authority power structure
>>155691085She's a lesbian same as any other female MC in an adult cartoon show. The guy gets cucked and emasculated at every turn.HTH
>>155695372balls to that. this is the FLAGSHIPit does not need a functioning team suddenly having to learn to work with a new guy.
>>155695403she's unlucky enough to live in like the ONE era where Starfleet high command hasn't been infiltrated by some interlopers she could rebel against.
>>155695098>>155695360Yeah, that's what I thought. It's a combination of techniques.
>>155690858Kys faggot
>>155691085She's gay because men like the ones in this thread make it a super easy choice
>>155691390
This is a totally organic thread for a canceled niche show that hasn't had enough episodes in over 2 years. Nothing to see here.
>>155695098Some lucky guy got to take it home after they closed up shop and sold all the set pieces for the show
>>155695551It went for more seasons than the original trek because it was clearly superior and it has a better ratings to boot
>>155695565
>>155691475she should be bullying him with sex
>>155695565Having more seasons doesn't really mean anything when seasons are 6 episodes long with 20 minute episodes. TOS had 80 episodes.>has a better ratings to bootThe actual ratings are public. This shit's viewership was on par with Prodigy. Two least-watched Star Treks ever made.Recent LD spam is coordinated by its production company because no one actually watched this show and no one cares enough to post. They're desperate for more work and are trying to create buzz online.
>>155695601dude, all posts on every part of what little remains of the internet are automated spam. That doesn't change that it was a good show. The fact retards didn't watch it only confirms that.
You know, it's interesting, I only ever hear Trekkies talk about this show, I never hear any one talk about it from the perspective of someone more familiar with the animation side of things. It's good to see a thread about it here.T'lyn is best girl.
>>155695601>Calling others spammers while having a fucking graph in his back pocket that he posts in every threadGenuine people don't have backup prepared for their statements, because they aren't expecting conflict.>>155695713Damn fuckin' right she is. A lot of people say she should have joined sooner, but I'm with Chuck.. they kinda had to establish other characters first. For a 19-minute show, there wasn't time. There's almost nothing you could have cut to make room for her.
>>155695710What are the odds that an unpopular canceled cartoon has the most active thread on a dead infamously slow board?I don't really care if this a Discord raid or a Paramount marketing campaign. You faggots need to go back and take your troonslop with you. Forever.
almost thought that post was real
>>155690858she's too chaotic, despite being mostly competentit's bullshit this didn't get more seasons, and or a movie, and more comic books
>>155695764
>>155695770isn't it fair to say Paramount has lower viewership in general?
>>155695735Not arguing that they should have shoehorned her in sooner than necessary (apparently they didn't realize how popular she was until they were knee deep in Season 3), but I do think she should have appeared in more episodes, even if she didn't have a big role. Out of the show's 50 episodes, she only appeared in 16, less than half. If I were on the writing staff, the moment she set foot on the Cerritos, I'd do everything in my power to have her appear at least once in every episode going forward. But then, I guess that's a consequence of the show only having 10-episode seasons and getting cut short.>>155695742Yes, Star Wars was technically more popular, but that was with the general public, what with the merchandising and the cute robots. Star Trek had its grip more on the deeper levels of geekdom. As I understand, Star Trek was like, the first big fandom as we know it today, and it even birthed shipping culture (for better and for much, much worse).>>155695770Well it should have been, damnit!
>>155695787Fr, they're basically just surviving off of SpongeBob money these days, and I'm not confident even that's going to be much help when they incur WB's mountains of debt.
>>155695742>Don't think this new merger will help Star Trek at allStar Trek riding off into the sunset is the preferable outcome if the alternative is being turned into aggressively increasingly gay propaganda shit like Starfleet Academy and Lower Decks. The franchise was too damaged for a hero's burial but they might at least leave its raped corpse to decompose in dignity.
Star Trek has been "woke" since day one and the fact that people think it only recently became that is very funny to me
>Star Trek has been "woke" since day oneYou can tell this is a raid because no one actually believes this outside of Reddit and Bluesky.
>155695835
>black women on television are now woke
>people are still feeding the trollsCome on guys, I know we're not better than this, but can we at least PRETEND like we are?
>155695855
>it got deleted
>>155695855The idea that Star Trek was always woke is an obvious tranny take. TOS is practically fascist by modern standards but no one ITT has actually watched itBut if you wanna play definitions Woke is very specifically 2010s progressive politics like tranny shit, diversity quotas, subversive homosexuality, BLM and so on. Star Trek was never progressive in that way because woke wasn't a thing back then and woke values generally go against the naval high-accountability WASPy meritocracy of the TNG era. TNG had an entire episode defending freedom of speech and an average Lower Decks fan would want to imprison you for saying nigger (even though Star Trek characters didn't care about slurs)The problem with Lower Decks is that it made a bunch of trannies think they're Trek experts because they watched the nostalgia Glup Shitto cartoon, jerked off to sameface cartoon women and read some MA articles.
This thread isn't about Lower Decks anymore so I'm gonna bounce, peace
>>155695905/pol/cels are cancer and should all be deleted permanently from this web site
>>155695788oh yeah, that's where the term 'slash' came from. AND Mary Sue. >troll posts removedees a miracoo.
>155695828>i posted it again!>>155695845right? That is the narrative they're trying to push. because then they either profit and/or make us look bad..sorry guys, that was always you. The blue-collar pinko laborers. The only color we ever cared about was green.
>>155695913>just let me promote my subversive left wing politics in peace and ban my opposition
>>155695913Reminder that Jeffery Epstein is the reason /pol/ was brought back, and moot should be flogged for listening to him
>>155695895Such a correct post except what in god's name does LD have to do with it?>>155695925man I'm glad (at least parts of) /co/ has its head on straight lately.oh look, it's that guy that comments on every Chesterton's Gateway video.
>>155695932>what in god's name does LD have to do with it?Everything? LD has shitty 2010s progressive politics too
>>155695925if you ever got subverted by media you areby all professional terms, retarded
>>155695942>highly political piece of media>anon starts seething whenever discussion of it turns politicalJust admit you're here to goon
>>155695937it really, really doesn't, aside from the bullshit forced lesbian shit which was cookiecutter from every other show, right down to the conflict being 'hnnnn I don't know if I want to be in a relationship, I'm so bad at this!'it's actually a very effective anti-lezzy message, and the same goes for the holo bashir garak thing at the end, clearly a denigrating joke.the closest thing it had to what you're describing is >>155693160 this scene, which gets a pass because it's A) hilarious and well-written and B) actually shit that exists in this setting, unlike real life.
It's funny to think that Mariner's in her 30's and yet has the energy, appearance, and friend group of her early 20's.
>>155695976>aside from the bullshit forced lesbian shitAnd the overt communist messaging, and all the transgender gender inversion shit, and the creator using the fame he got from the show to promote radical left wing politics on TwitterI recently watched Golden Axe and it did the exact same shit down to the chick being a lesbian.NuTrek is all shitty wokeslop and there really aren't any exceptions. Maybe Prodigy but even that had a pronoun scene (subtle but enough to indoctrinate kids into the idea)
>>155695996eh, these things are highly malleable, and the overal change-up to the paradigm happened at least a decade ago if not much longer. Remember that show "Close Enough?"anyway it does track. She's supposed to be an intentionally delayed perma-ensign, and anyway Picard is 10 years older than his actor.>>155696000Neither of those happened though? And who cares what he does on twitter?sometimes (often (especially in Star Trek)) the intended message is not the message the episode contains. Once in awhile, you even get writers who backpedal from the clear message because they realize the repercussions of it harm The Party's narrative. The anti-eugenics one with the hermetically sealed planet comes to mind, the conversation had with Geordi where he points out he'd never have been born on that planet. The writer had to later scramble to publicly say no no of COURSE she supports baby murder, just not for reasons of the baby being blind. Instead, just because the mom feels like it.and yes, the 'they' in prodigy was retarded. I'll let it pass just because the rest of the show is good, but I'd definitely prefer a version that AI-splices 'she' into every instance.
>>155695949now you're arguing with yourself in circles big dawg
>>155696000Do you mean the planet they helped transition into post-scarcity? They aren't capitalist or communist anymore, both address the issue of limited resources in different ways (one way that works (until sabotaged by the other, as we now see) and the other that doesn't)The only retarded part was that rich people would be trying to hang onto their status and ability to lord it over people, something straight out of goofy communist thinking, yeah. But just like Wall-E, it wasn't a message, it was just a bad paradigm the writer was immersed in and never questioned. Besides, we clearly see there's still haves and have-lesses. Picard has a fucking vineyard.
>>155696006>Neither of those happened though?You're not noticing hard enough. You're so used to feminist messaging that you don't even register it anymore.
>>155696019>it wasn't a messageIt always is. Everyone who got a job in Hollywood knows exactly what they're doing with this
>>155696022I want to argue because you're definitely, indisputably wrong, except that you're right that I did at one point completely internalize feminist messaging, and only eventually realized I was writing every female character as perfect and it was ruining the conflict levels in my comic.>>155696030They really don't. A good half of them are doing it on complete autopilot, with no idea what they're doing. Of the other half, two-thirds of them know what they're ATTEMPTING to do, but are demonstrably failing at doing so.Exaggerating the problem one iota is going to destroy our entire movement, so be fucking careful. Think of the better cases as a ratchet. You have to move slightly backwards in order to hook in place, stabilize, and then move forward again. Embrace the best examples so we can get out of this fucking quagmire.
>>155696037>except that you're right that I did at one point completely internalize feminist messagingFeminist messaging isn't just strong or perfect women. Those shows have objectively shitty flawed female characters. But like with Mariner she never gets punished for those flaws or faces any repercussions. In S3 Mariner is just a poor victim of a misunderstanding. She's a victim of circumstances and she is clearly made out to be the victim. Mariner's arc in the show is basically getting over past trauma so she can girlboss even harder. This is a very common female archetype in 2010s animated shows. The woman already has everything she needs to succeed and girlboss but she needs to overcome herself. The worst example of this is the Mariner being revealed to be hypercompetent all along and just selfsabotaging in the substitute ex dyke girlfriend captain episodeThe show in general has a pretty shitty attitude towards men and male sexuality. Ransom is presented as this buff handsome frat bro but any time he's trying to get his dick wet he gets humiliated for trying. Same thing with Boimler. He gets parasitecucked by his girlfriend because she could never be into him for real and he's clearly so traumatized by this he doesn't have any love interests for the rest of the show and doesn't even show any interest in his holonovel gf. The only place heterosexuality is actually depicted positively is with two geriatric couples. Rutherford is pretty much asexual and nonthreatening and even though the show seems to be shipping him with Tendi it doesn't really amount to anything. The only romantic relationship in the show with dedicated episodes is homosexual and it only ends due to a misunderstanding forced by circumstances because there's no way a show made in 2020 would ever let a homosexual relationship be toxicThis shit is everywhere you look in Lower Decks but we're so used to it that we don't really notice
>>155696083relationships in general are not common for Star Trek crews, Kirk is not a standard. it's like if you complained about lack of straight sex on a Navy ship. the show explains at large that the MCs are ambitious young people that accept the risk of being separated at any time by a promotion, reassignment or even death. it's a staple in Star Trek that flirting and attraction between the main crew lead to nowhere or are extremely slow burners because of the above reason. Riker and Troi finally got together after 7 seasons and several films, they compensated with Paris and Torres who get together after "only" 3 seasons (but roughly the same amount of episodes than LD's 5 shorter seasons).if you want to see supposedly serious and professional Star Trek crews having tons of carefree affairs with each other like horny teenagers, Strange New Worlds is there.
>>155696177>relationships in general are not common for Star Trek crewsThat's not the point and you're getting sidetracked. I don't really care about relationship slop and it always sucked in Star Trek. Only weirdos ever watched Star Trek for thatBut what little there is of relationship slop in Lower Decks is overwhelmingly homosexual
>>155696196Take your meds
>>155696209I accept your concession
We needed a Mariner, Tendi and T'lynn getting beamed down to a planet naked episode.
>>155696211You're getting upset over being a faggot. Calm down and take your meds.npbody made you watch the best trek show
>But what little there is of relationship slop in Lower Decks is overwhelmingly homosexualI gotta correct myself on this actually. S1 was pretty fucking straight. Rutherford was getting laid, Mariner wanted Ransom's dick, Boimler almost got laid, Tendi almost got laid, T'Ana and Shaxs were shaxsing upSo the show actually got progressively more gay over time which is worse because it's a Trojan horse situation. It's hard to say if this was always the intention or the higher ups demanded it or activists infiltrated the writers room but the result is a pretty gay fucking show
>>155696240>npbody made you watch the best trek showFalse. My dad forced me to watch TOS and I'm glad he did because I didn't grow up to be a raging faggot
>>155696262>watched canceled trek slop. Your dad should be jailed for child abuse
>>155696335>canceled trek slopBut enough about Lower Decks
>>155696196>But what little there is of relationship slop in Lower Decks is overwhelmingly homosexuallet me make the counts>Tendi with that Buddhist guy (straght)>Boimler with his parasite gf (straight)>Mariner revelaing she has a crush on Ransom (straight)>Shaxs and T'ana, recurring (straight)>Billups staying a virgin (asexual)>Mariner and Jennifer, recurring for 1 season (gay)>Peanut's love story with the Bird guy (straight, I suppose)>Tendi's sister getting married (straight)>Tendi and Rutherford awkward date (straight)>Freeman and her husband living back together (straight)
>>155696376Yeah and I already acknowledged that most of this is S1 here >>155696250. There was a pretty big shift around S2/S3 when the Mariner/Ransom romance got abruptly dropped for no reason at all and the show started getting increasingly more homosexual with each season>Peanut's love story with the Bird guyAnd when they do depict "heterosexuality" it's toxic, go figure
>>155696376>using facts against a schizo whose mom took plenty of Tylenol
>>155696177Doesn't the rarity make it more obvious though? This isn't a variation, it was put in there when no romantic plotlines were expected at all. >>155696250>It's hard to say if this was always the intention or the higher ups demanded it or activists infiltrated the writers room but the result is a pretty gay fucking showIt's nothing so complicated. Gay in media is the opposite of gay IRL, it's the safe play because it can't matter (it's fiction) but it can be made the most important thing ever or not based entirely on a few strange words of exposition at any point. There's no stronger disclaimer text in modern culture than I Can't Believe It's Not Homosexuality.
>>155696407>started getting increasingly more homosexual with each seasonI listed all relationships in the show. there is all and all only one gay relationship, which was prominently featured in Season 3 only and mentioned again once after that. granted, there is another one at the very end with the Bashir cameo. that's all.your description is therefore factually incorrect.
>>155696441>I listed all relationships in the showYou're being dishonest because you listed ones that don't really count. Tendi and Rutherford are not in a relationship, they're friends and the show ended with them remaining friends. This is not a depiction of a heterosexual relationship at all. It's a potential relationship maybe but the show is never coming back so I'm treating them as platonic friendsTendi's sister is just background fluff, she's not even a side character and the husband doesn't speak onceWhat you're proving is that homosexuality is in LD is given much more prominence than heterosexuality, which was always my point. T'Ana and Freeman's relationships carry over from S1>>155696428>it can be made the most important thing ever or not based entirely on a few strange words of exposition at any pointQueershit is the easiest thing to write because queers will always defend it regardless of how generic it is. As mentioned earlier LD was pretty based very early on for a brief moment. There's literally zero gay stuff in S1. And I'm guessing they pivoted to get those headlines and to capture that demo because Trekkies weren't really watching it
