>Wah I like the magical girl genre, but I'm too ashamed to lean into it's tropes earnestly because I'm afraid of being made fun of so I'll do a parody criticizing the genre to be taken seriously!Why do westerners do this?
>WesternersNiggers
>>155724027I don't think it's criticizing it, it's just their own take on it they're not making some kind of moral or intellectual judgement
Why does the ugly Nigger have cheese hair?It looks disgusting. Blacks dying their weaves to pretend to be blonde look disgusting.
>>155724055It's a cynical parody of magical girls essentially asking the question "what if a magical girl doesn't want to do her job anymore?" as if that is some profound angle despite the fact multiple magical girl anime have already grappled with that question and answered it in much more mature ways. I'm not begrudging a new instance of it existing, I'm just rolling my eyes that a western take on a magical girl show of course has to try and deconstruct it in some way instead of playing the tropes straight because western sensibilities can't allow for creators to engage with it sincerely as it is too embarrassing for them.
>>155724027>criticizingYou're giving it way, way too much credit>>155724039WrongMillenials>>155724180Cynical yes, critical, no. there is no criticism of the genre in it, or really any critical thought whatsoever. It's barely even parody, it's more "lol we're so self aware isn't this wacky?" shit.
>>155724180>cynical parody of magical girls essentially asking the question "what if a magical girl doesn't want to do her job anymore?Why does it have to be "cynical parody" you're assigning motive where it's not there>as if that is some profound angle despite the fact multiple magical girl anime have already grappled with that question and answered it in much more mature ways. Once more you're putting thought into it the creator does have, the creator isn't acting as if it's profound or that they're new for doing this.>western sensibilities can't allow for creators to engage with it sincerely as it is too embarrassing for them.You really do just keep coming up with motive where it's not there. You're working backwards from your own hate and trying to assign reasonings you fundamentally disagree with to her
>>155724202>It's barely even parody, it's more "lol we're so self aware isn't this wacky?" shit.See, even that makes me roll my eyes. I hate that western sensibilities cannot allow for sincere engagement with genres of other cultures they clearly like, but are embarrassed to represent authentically so they hide behind "self awareness" or "parody" in order to mask their feelings
>>155724258>e it's not thereHow would you describe this series then?
>>155724258don't have*Nothing the maker has ever said about this >>155724270Why do you think it comes from embarrassment and not just her genuinely and earnestly enjoying such a thing
Sincerity is a fatal poison to the modern American writer. The mere thought of it makes them recoil like a Vampire being shown a cross.
>>155724027Crazy how Doremi fans forced Kiana to update the artstyle after being called out.
>>155724055“Their take” is “What if Magic Gurlz was Sassy Murrican Niggers cuz shiiieeeeeeee Magic Gurl Show aynt have empowered Blacks dat RAYCIS”
>>155724277A comedic story about a magical girl who has grown sick of her job kinda like a fast food worker who's been there too long
>>155724280The title of the series is "pretty please, I don't want to be a magical girl". The subversion is baked into it from the word go. If it wanted to be a sincere take on the genre, it would not have that title.
Modern American media has a habit of avoiding any and all forms of sincerity while every American writer bemoans "the death of sincerity" while they continue to contribute to said death because they're afraid of being criticized for their writing and find it's easier to avoid criticism if they just go "pssh, this stuff like doesn't even matter man, it's like, parody, or satire, or whatever."
>>155724308lore?
>inb4 the fat posting
>>155724329>"pssh, this stuff like doesn't even matter man, it's like, parody, or satire, or whatever."But the creator isn't like that and hasn't used "it's satire" as an excuse. Some people sincerely enjoy comedic takes on genres they enjoy not everything is ironic
>>155724324>subversionit's called a joke, you're making it way too serious and not in the "it doesn't matter it's just parody way" but more in the you hear the joke about the chicken who crossed the road and act like it's a subversion on public traffic laws, some comedic takes are just that comedic they don't secretly hate what they're joking about they just find funny stuff funny. The maker of this isn't trying to make a deep profound statement they just think a Magical Girl acting like a burned out fast food worker is funny that's it nothing deep just funny thing is funny
>>155724280>Why do you think it comes from embarrassment and not just her genuinely and earnestly enjoying such a thingJust watch it. Like 90% of it is old anime tropes through the lens of "wow, isn't this so cringe? but we're self aware guys, so it's ok to laugh." It's like watching someone trying to justify liking something.
>>155724365>not everything is ironic>pilot episode has a sequence in which the "magical girl" has a transformation sequence which is a subversion of her changing into a magical girl, instead changing into normal civilian clothes to show that the character considers being mundane magicalUhuh
>>155724418That's called a joke >to show that the character considers being mundane magicallol no>>155724415But this one isn't doing that
>>155724365>>155724406IMO, the humor for this show is just way too neutered, even stand-alone. That and magical girls already had Pretty Sami and Dai Mahou Touge ripping on magical girls nearly 30 years ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X6lAFlIjys
>>155724180It would be better as a one-shot as opposed to a series.But series sell better so...
>>155724406>they just think a Magical Girl acting like a burned out fast food worker is funny that's it nothing deep just funny thing is funnySee, but it's a joke that gets old fast and cannot carry an actual series beyond the first episode. If it were a sincere critique on the genre of a plucky magical girl rising to face the challenges before her, I would give the premise credit, but since according to you it's just a "joke" then it's a short lived one that has nowhere to go afterward. The inherent appeal to the magical girl genre is of a pure hearted girl who believes in hope, love and friendship winning the day. To subvert that, joke or no, needs to replace that with something equally valuable to the human experience or else it isn't worth much.
>>155724494It also sucks that the main characters are black because there is so little representation within the genre as is that this has to be the poster child for poc representation as a bitter parody of the genre just feels lame
>>155724497>See, but it's a joke that gets old fast and cannot carry an actual series beyond the first episode.Why not? There's plenty of jokes that can be done. >The inherent appeal to the magical girl genre is of a pure hearted girl who believes in hope, love and friendship winning the day. To subvert that, joke or no, needs to replace that with something equally valuable to the human experience or else it isn't worth much.That's just like your opinion bruh.
>>155724545Why does that suck?That’s what Black creators act like. It’s what Black Americans want. All they ever do is a Bitter Copy of White Man’s things but “shiiieet dat Raycis, and Dat Raycis, and DAT Raycis”
>>155724545>as a bitter parody of the genre just feels lameBut that's the thing it's not "bitter" not everything is a MUAHAHAHA I HATE THIS THING THAT'S WHY I'LL DO A PARODY
>>155724548No, he's right. That's the inherent appeal to the entire magical girl genre. Even stupid babies understand that. The fact you apparently don't is worrying in regards to your media literacy.
>>155724567You're right, it's not bitter, because it's below tepid. Haven't laughed once at this stupid show.
: The Show
>>155724059They’re so disgusting looking. I’m tired of looking at their grotesque faces and having to act like they’re human.
>>155724567I didn't say hate, I said bitter as in, unwilling to engage with the tropes they supposedly like without hiding behind satire, parody, humor or whatever else keeps the creator from just creating an earnest take on the genre. The west could never make something like Sailor Moon.
Are there magical girl reconstructions, or is reassembling meaning and authenticity out of bitter ashes just the magical girl baseline?
>>155724630That's not what bitter means are you ESL?
>>155724202> WrongMillenialsFucking retarded zoomer, do you think I have anything in common with the creatures who made this show?Goddamn cretin. Your generation worships these things and acts like them. Fuck you.
>>155724643Madoka Magica, for one
>>155724613It's the Sinfest Woman!
>>155724630>or whatever else keeps the creator from just creating an earnest take on the genreBecause the Genre is about Beautiful Skinny Light-Skinned Blonde Girls and they want it to be about Ugly Obese Black Balding Babboons
>>155724643Better to just watch the real thing. Most magical girl shows justify themselves. If you're looking for anything that pointedly asks if being a magical girl is worth it and answers "yes", watch Power of Hope: PreCure Full Bloom.
>>155724693but neither of the girls in the OP are obese
>>155724703Precure has a magical girl theme for any taste. Like good combat? Heartcatch or Smile. Like princesses? Princess Precure. Witches? Mahoutsukai. Food? Healin good.
>>155724027If they want it to be funny, at least make it distinctly american. Like a proud black magical girl solving the ghetto violence, police brutality and idk maybe obesity within the black community. American style satire always pair in line with biting social commentary.
>>155724027I’ve seen the take before that this show is supposedly a metaphor for “gifted kid burnout.” I’m not completely convinced that’s what they’re going for, but I do find that angle very interesting if it is. I always got good grades in school as a kid but it ultimately it never improved my life in any way. So a cartoon about a kid that’s “gifted” but it turns out that actually sucks for her sounds like it could be pretty cool.
>>155724722they used that “representayshun” checkmark on the Obese Tattooed Lesbian Teacher
>>155724027Marx
>>155724693>AshleighBlack people are a parody of themselves at this point
>>155724825Yikes>the only other white is also a fruity nontest faggotDouble Yikes
>>155724329If only the MCU never took off and Joss Wheadon got outer as a pest before.
>>155724815Reminds me someone already a comic mixing magical girls with drug cartel wars.
>>155724027>westernersJapan does it too. Magical girl parodies are pretty common over there.
>>155724562>Why does that suck?Because it's clear that black women and girls clearly resonate with the magical girl genre, same as every other race of woman and girl. It sucks that one of the few instances of a creator making something within the genre has to be le heehee parody take and not an original take with it's own cute message
>>155724027This is just an even more annoying ripoff of Star Vs basically beat for beat and I'm tired of seeing praise be heaped upon it because it did the most surface level subversions of a genre the creator is a tourist of. Ohhhh whaaaat? She used her powers to make a FREAKING LEAD PIPE???? B-BUT THAT'S UNUSUAL, RIGHT???
>>155724324It’s Pretty Pretty Please I Don’t Want to be a Magical Girl. Two prettys. I ordinarily wouldn’t feel compelled to be a stickler and correct you, but we are on the autism site for autists, so. Also, fuck this title for being so long. Doesn’t even work as an acronym. We gotta figure out some easy form of abbreviation to use for discussion purposes.
>>155724937>heh we're on da autism 4chinz webpage so heh I guess it's okay for me to be an annoying freak. You're such an insufferable faggot.
>>155724900It's also funny how inadvertently racist it ends up being in the process. Oh yeah she uses her magical powers to make a lead pipe to beat the villain with, that totally doesn't feed into negative stereotypes of black people saying they are more primitive and violent than any other race, you go Kiana!
>>155724891I thought you weren’t supposed to wear another culture’s outfits as a costume. Oh wait that rule is just for wypipo
>>155725048I don't think "sailor scout" is Japanese culture
>>155724825Technically that's just her OC Fat Dyke version of Jessie from Pokemon with the name filed off
>>155724996It's just lazy at the bare minimum. This show doesn't feel like it was made by a fan of the genre like it's claimed to be. I wouldn't care if it didn't bill itself as "The Magical Girl Show for The West" basically. But it does and you know what it DOES feel like? It feels like a higher budget skit from that fucking Mad TV cartoon about an "American Sailor Moon". That's my biggest issue other than the eye rollingly half-baked... well everything in this series save for maybe some of the character designs. The fact this show has the knowledge of what it is parodying to the extent of a millennial who has half memories of watching Sailor Moon as a child which is enough to make you a super fan of the whole genre of Magical Girl anime. Maybe she'll surprise me in future episodes, but this genuinely reads as "I'm the biggest fan of Magical girls ever and I'm gonna make a show about it! yes I've only watched Sailor Moon and Madoka how did you know???"
>>155725156>I wouldn't care if it didn't bill itself as "The Magical Girl Show for The West" basically. But it doesBut it doesn't, it literally never does
>>155725156Even Tomboy was more genuine in being a Magical Girl story despite it only being barely there as part of Addison's hallucinations and as in-universe media we never see aside from its theme song.
>>155724583>That's the inherent appeal to the entire magical girl genrewrong, it's underage girls in skimpy outfitsthat's why actual girls hate mahou shoujo nowadays and the genre is exclusively for middle aged men
>>155725229>it's underage girls in skimpy outfitsYou're not entirely wrong, but I would say the genre was more in tune with what women and girls wanted in the Sailor Moon era than the Precure era because of the more super sentai nature of the former as well as the inclusion of romance. Then otaku gravitated toward it and studios have been pandering to them instead of women ever since
>>155725198Sure if you ignore the creator herself saying she wants this to be an "earnest take on the magical girl genre" which is directly what she's said repeatedly in interviews. We can be disingenuous and also pretend that the show itself doesn't make this point through its very presentation and the discourse in its fan spaces and from its creator. I'm not going to convince you though. Enjoy your slop, idiot.
>>155725291It's a deeply self indulgent take on magical girls because the creator loves making shit purely for herself, but don't act like it's anything beyond that
>>155725303I'm not the one pretending. Kiana and her fans are.
>>155725118That’s because that’s the DiC translation.
>>155724180because the point is black waifus and cosplay dont like 90% if magical girls shows arent about the same thing
>>155724977Yeah, yeah, but my main point was working out a shorter title. Focus, anon.
>>155725337No one wants to do that with you.
>>155725291>the creator herself saying she wants this to be an "earnest take on the magical girl genre"the reason no one will ever take it seriously as an earnest take on the genre is because of it's visual style and it's bitter comedic nature. No one who likes the magical girl genre will ever keep a show like this in their lexicon of discussions surrounding it. It will come and go like a wet fart.
>>155724027Blacks and especially black women spent decades shitting on anime now it is popular and they want representation. There is not a single actual black female anime fan. There are some Males, absolutely. Never girls, they want in because it’s a fad now. Never give shows like this any time, they don’t deserve it.
>>155725218>>155725291Reminder Tomboy and Max Payne have the same plot
>>155725368> Blacks and especially black women spent decades shitting on anime WhatNo they didn’t.It was more a white boomer thing because they hated the Japanese.
>>155725368You see, they used to shit on nerds for watching anime, but then they found out that literally every black man from their generation is an unabashed weeb who will talk nonstop about powerscaling and realized most of them won't fuck with a bitch who shits on DBZ. However, Anon... I'm fairly positive the average black guy watches as much if not more anime than you or the average non-black man.
>>155725156Sailor Moon is not very memorable even if you do get into as an adult trying to explore the magical girl genre. I get that it’s iconic, but it’s unfortunately not that good any way you slice it.
>>155725415NTA, but they absolutely did, the same way a lot of people did, especially women.This was because they considered anime "nerd shit," and normalfags shit on nerd shit all the time before it became "in vogue" because some corporation realized it was a great money-making avenue.
>>155725229>wrong, it's underage girls in skimpy outfitsDo you by any chance have any court orders to not get within a hundred feet of a school, anon?
>>155725362I’m probably going to get shit on for saying so, but I don’t think the visual style is all that bad, considering one of the small handful of magical girl shows I can name is Magical DoReMi.
>>155725455It may have its issues critically speaking, but you cannot deny that it's thematic presentation and sincere delivery resonated with an entire generation to the degree that the entire genre can tie direct inspiration from it as a concept even to this day.
>>155725218>>155725370I wanna put my penis in Addison.
>>155725543Sailor Moon's thing is that it basically set the gold standard for what most magical girl warrior shows take for granted today, so if you're solely judging it by today's standards it's nothing special. But if you actually compare it to its predecessor, Codename Sailor Venus, the difference in concept, execution and frankly ambition between the two is insane.
>>155725155SHE WHAT
>>155725445Again, I am absolutely positive black men watch anime and are massive weebs.I know that black women are not and are the fakest people walking this earth. They never cared, always shat on it, but demand their presence now that it is a fad decades later.As evident from this show, they still don’t fully care about it and have no problem bashing it. They can’t help theirselves.
>>155725520The visuals are your standard calarts commiefonia shit. Don't compare it to actual kino
>>155724825Built for Gangrape by Strangers
>>155725156Oh wow is Madoka on Sailor Moon’s level of recognition now?Good on the franchise.
>>155725646I have not watched Magical DoReMi so the writing may very well be on par with Shakespeare for all I know. That doesn’t change the fact the visual style looks like ass.
>>155725701it's the NGE of mahou shoujo, you can watch it without knowing anything about the genre because it's just little girls suffering and crying
>>155724027To be fair, Japan does deconstruct stuff too, both with its on tropes and genres and with western stuff.Hell, the magical girl genre is probably one of the most deconstructed genres by the japanese themselves. Every other manga or anime is either making fun of magical girl stuff, or making it super dark and violent.
>>155725644The only black women I've met who watched anime are a nerdy mousey girl I hung out with in college who was an actual, genuine 4'8 midget who basically looked like a 10 year old and my cousin, who's a giant pervert NEET, but an actual hardcore otaku autist who watches like 20 shows a season.They exist, but they're extremely rare, and most of the black women who "watch" anime watch whatever the big popular shounen FOTM is and basically nothing else, and the vast majority of them haven't watched anime from prior to 2010.That said, none of this is new, this is how things have always been, regardless of medium or race, it's mostly a normalfag thing, and since women live their lives based on social consensus, even the non-normalfag ones are far more susceptible to this than men are.
>>155724456>But this one isn't doing thatSo you didn't watch it then? Because that is the entire pilot. It's so irony poisoned that it could be used to kill small children and the elderly.
>>155724661>Fucking retarded zoomer,Wrong againI'm a millenial
>>155725560All holes. Probably even just creases and parts where her body can build friction.
>>155724059>>155724628Well that's not nice.
>>155724270The creator had said this is her first work which will help her learn more in the future, but I think it really shows
>>155726857Lighting a woman's face on Fire for being White isn't nice.Go back to Africa
>>155724937Is the pretty pretty please a reference to pretty cure?
>>155724027Magical girls not wanting to be one and ending fights quickly are tropes, how is that not leaning into it? You’re assuming it’s a hateful deconstruction but that seems part of the genre
>>155727236Maybe? But Sailor Moon did also run as Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon at one time. It’s a common word in the genre. Also “pretty pretty please” is just a common english phrase, and it holds a juvenile tone that goes with the kind of thing they’re going for.
>>155727317That's part of the problem, this cartoon doesn't seem to recognize that refusing the call is a pretty bog standard trope not just in the magical genre but in hero fiction in general. It's certainly not a novel enough idea to base an entire series around
