>or made for everyone else too
Most things popular with men are like this though

>>155831453
>Nothing is for Men anymore
There's Teen Titans Go.

The consequences of feminism being allowed to grow

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>>155831502
Funny enough, the next 3 episodes of TTG is supposed to be about the Night Begins to Shine world.

Western animation has sunk to the point where one of the only instances of quality come from a TTG gag.

>>155831453
What’s wrong with having gay men in a show?

>>155831524
Can't jack off to it

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>>155831453
I don't speak for everyone but I'd like to have it focused on being decent above being made for me over my gender.
>>155831535
One of the easiest way to pander to gays is to give them a rugged older male with charisma as a bonus

>>155831453
grim

>>155831535
Skill issue

>>155831535
You aren't trying hard enough.

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>>155831453
My life became 110% better once I chose to be gay
No more whining from some chick
No more "games" and shit tests
No more commitment, can just fuck and leave
I get along with every guy I fuck
I don't think I could ever go back to women

Anime is gayer than cartoons though… not even an insult I’m being serious, yaoi and yuri has been a thing since the 70’s in anime

>>155831453
Yaoi is a popular genre of Japanese animation.

>>155831453
welcome to the late 90s.

also, the reason anime is popular is that, while it does lean toward demographics, it doesn't pigeonhole itself. A cute girly show about girls with magic powers doesn't limit itself at all to every bit of young girl wish fulfillment, but it does still let Dad enjoy watching the cute girls, see. A violent action show for boys will still have some deep lore that Mom might enjoy. Just make good product, and make good money. it's not hard. it works fine as long as you wipe out all communist countries.

>>155831535
Ya shouldn't be doing such a thing at all.

>>155831510
also this
someone go back in time and let Andrea Dworkin's mom, uh, 'exercise her rights to her own body'

>>155831766
Most /pol/ post i read on /co/ in a while.

>>155831736
Nice cope

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>>155831453
The anime that is popular with said boys.
>>155831736
Doujins don't count.

>>155831840
Cope, autist

>>155831841
But are ya able to provide evidence against his claim?

>>155831453
Don't worry anon, Men are still for Men.

>>155831871
I rebuke your insults and lies.
Literally all ya got now is thought terminating cliches.

>>155831764
Genre you can avoid, not the only thing airing.

Anime in general has much more variety. Japan is small but it is still a country of like 150 million. And anime itself is popular with normies so lots of things are allowed to flourish. Animation by and large is still seen as icky and for kids in the west. A lot of people who made cartoons were creatives who had editorial departments who made sure that kids were the main target audience. Now those kids grew up and the people making cartoons are the tumblristas who love gay shit.

And creatives like vivzie, who's product I tolerate need to own up that their homoshit is more of her fetish than actual inclusivity.

>>155831863
>shin-chan
that boy shows his ass to the viewers 24/7
also that japanese thing where they poke eachother's asses with their fingers is pretty gay

>>155831941
>nime itself is popular with normies
with Japanese normies*

>>155831951
Nice deflection

>>155831908
Meds, Jake, you're spiraling again.

>>155831794
>>155831879
>>155831908
Can you stop it with the Rodney Dangerfield fake folksy affectation already. It's spelled "you"

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>>155831453
>Main reason why anime is so popular with American boys and young men.
Yes... that's the reason... of course...

Men have video games.

>>155831453
heteronormative media is problematic

>>155831453
i asked someone who posted this slop in a server what exactly is a show that's marketed for boys and men and they couldn't give an answer
is it a show that is action heavy? then shit like totally spies, miraculous ladybug and any magical girl show would be a boys show
is it simply having a male protagonist? then like 90% of every show would be for boys
it is a lot easier to identify a show for girls, because they tend to have a large female cast and have plots about dealing with things associated with being a girl
i don't know if there are that many shows that deal with boyhood and dealing with things associated with being a boy

>>155831766
Except that stuff got butchered to death and the stuff people actually wanted wasn't getting dubbed (Shin-Chan got a gag dub in 2005 while Doraemon took until 2014 to get it's dub, Anpanman only got a few of it's movies dubbed, Chibi Maruko-Chan has a English dub but it's a Hong Kong English dub while Sazae-San just entered the Taiwanese market this year and Eiken is seeing if it does well enough there to export it to the US/Canada).

Doremi wasn't dubbed until 2005, and surprise surprise, it was a 4Kids hack job because it and the infamous One Piece dub they did was the only way 4Kids could get Shaman King.

And Looney Tunes, Tom and Jerry and Popeye is plenty violent enough for both boys and girls.

At least we got Hamtaro and Kirby Right Back At Ya out of this; And Latin America and South East Asia got Mirumo De Pon (under the name Mirmo Zinbang) out of it too.

>>155832100
Shin's gag dub is kino tbf
Action Bastard, Ho!

>>155831951
It and Doraemon got away with alot worse then Made In Abyss.

Also Bart Simpson says hi.
>>155831941
The West.
MeTV Toons is changing that, plus anime now of days is nothing but fighting and almost naked women.
>>155832001
Only Nintendo to be frank.

>>155832129
That is true.

>>155831453
Can mods make a pinned thread for this pajeet shit already? nobody cares about your shit smearing fanfic animated in fucking 4s

>>155831524
It is goddamn disgusting. Why should we have to be constantly repulsed just because a tiny, tiny minority of narcissists wants to be seen in everything.

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That ugly Ben 10 reboot was made for boys?

>>155832184
Not my fault that most anime that is big with boys still have female leads like Laura Haruna and Katie Minami.

Doraemon and Shin-Chan really are the only real exceptions to this, as they both guys.

>>155832219
Yes

>>155831453
Mikey's documentaries are fantastic, sad to see that his channel got nuked off of YT

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>>155832062
>then shit like totally spies, miraculous ladybug and any magical girl show would be a boys show
Totally Spies was definitely a show that tended to lean towards boys.
But to answer your question, it's quite easy to tell if a show is for boys.
If it has
>Attractive female characters
>A male lead who is not constantly led around by women
>Action and adventure
>Hot-blooded rivalries or friendships
It is aimed at men.
An even easier way to tell if a show is made for men is if it pisses off white women, since white women tend to get very very angry at media that's unabashedly made for men.
It's why they get mad at stuff like pic related.

>>155831453
9% of the population is gay. It's disingenuous to not expect them to be in shows and movies

There's an inherent knee-jerk reaction from the California types when they see a piece of fiction with man who's strong, successful, and has people who like him. That's a "power fantasy." For 15 years now, anything male-centric somehow has to be able regret, and remorse, and battling past demons. Everything is a retread of The Last of Us.

>>155831453
And then when men ask for something they say "just watch porn"

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>>155831982
Source? For reasons.

>>155832353
9% of the population pretends to be gay. i'm closeted cuz i dont really care but of the 50 or so queers i've met the only gay guy is a schizophrenic who burned down his house and transitioned after he found a jock who would pound his hole. every other person is "bisexual" in the way where they only ever date or express interest the opposite sex, or "transexual" and "non-binary" in a way they don't commit to it at all.

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>>155831982
BIG FAT MUTANT GORILLA CAT TATS

>>155832415
Any man who disagrees with this has never had a prostate orgasm. Everyone has the capacity to be a bit gay.

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>>155832296
More like...

>Funny talking animal as the main character.
>Little to no humans.
>Comedy.
>Falling anvils/safes/pianos.
>Giant mallets.
>Use of wild takes.
>Use of bombs/dynamite/explosives.
Is aimed at men.
An even easier way to tell if a IP is made for men is if it pisses off women of all colors, since women tend to get very very angry at media that's unabashedly made for men.
It's why they get mad at stuff like pic related.

>>155831453
GUYS GUYS LOOK WHAT I SAW ON XITTER
If I was in charge I'd have you faggots neutered without anasthetic.

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As a straight guy, I have to say that Jae is very cute and submissive. He is made for straight men, not for faggots.

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>>155832414
Made in Abyss; And Doraemon and Shin-Chan got away with alot worse.

>>155832530
>AI made slop.

>>155832414
>He hasn't seen Made in Abyss
Wew, good luck m8.

>>155832532
>pedo talkin about pedo animes
you people disgust me

>>155832572
Doraemon and Shin-Chan are normie anime.

>>155832353
I guess you can pull all sorts of anecdotes from your ass when you have been gaped.

>>155832530
he really acts as a girls self insert than a gay guy
Im sure its a fujo writing these scenes which is what avatar is notrious for

>>155832624
>he really acts as a girls self insert than a gay guy
Gateway to turning into a pooner. Just like yuri.

>>155832296
>Totally Spies was definitely a show that tended to lean towards boys.
it isn't since it doesn't feature a male protagonist and it's about the girls dealing with teenage girl problems and references to girly things
>A male lead who is not constantly led around by women
so totally spies doesn't count
that's a female led show
>Attractive female characters
>Action and adventure
>Hot-blooded rivalries or friendships
this isn't intrinsic to shows made for boys or men since shows for girls and women feature this all the time
>It's why they get mad at stuff like pic related.
Mushoku tensei proves my point since it's a about a male protagonist who fucks his harem of women and i'm pretty sure there is a plot about the main character's erectile distinction at some point, so it touches on a issue that men deal with

>>155831764
With WOMEN

>>155832713
And gay men.

>>155832751
there is very little overlap between the elements of gay romance that men like vs what is actually found in yaoi

>>155832532
Into the fire faggot.

>>155832653
That's why I said it leaned towards boys, who were mostly there for the hot girls and the action. It is not an explicitly "boys" show.
Incidentally, this is why the reboot has mostly been ignored, since gen alpha gives no fucks about Totally Spies, and the guys who did like the original growing up moved over to anime over a decade ago.
>this isn't intrinsic to shows made for boys or men since shows for girls and women feature this all the time
But it's not presented the same way in those shows, compare the adventure and action in something like Mushoku Tensei to something like Ascendance of a Bookworm, they serve very different purposes to the plot and the characters, because they're generally aimed at different audiences.
>Mushoku tensei proves my point
Yes, Mushoku Tensei is unabashedly made for males, it's not really the kind of thing you see much in cartoons these days, with the only notable exceptions being Primal and Space King.

>>155832653
There's plenty of anime that have female only casts that are aimed at men like K-On
>>155832783
But plenty of yaoi is barashit for gay men too

>>155831736
Nakamura was pretty good

>>155831736
Anime is more everything than cartoons, because there's just a shit ton more of it.
The difference is that anime does feel like specific things are made for a specific audience, whereas cartoons are all largely made for the same 14-29 year old autistic tumblr audience or the millennial man/womanchild audience looking for a generic sitcom.
There are very few exceptions that don't fall into these categories these days.

>>155831524
>"You need characters that you can identify with to enjoy the show, this is why we made the characters gay"
>"huh? Why don't straight people identify with the gay character and enjoy the show???"
I just don't get why people can't analyze their own assfuckshit arguments.

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>>155831453
this is the real reason why (this is a boy's nipple so it's ok to post on a blue board)

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easr vs. west trolling and /pol/tard raid and spam threads are cancer and against >>>/global/rules/3 >>>/global/rules/4 >>>/global/rules/6 >>>/global/rules/10 and >>>/co/rules/1
OP is a faggot.
Fulfill your civic duty to help purge this board of anarchistic, sociopathic, intellectually regressive youtube/reddit/twitter immigrant subhuman troglodytes like him, who are under the delusion that all of 4chan (instead of just the designated shitposting playpens like /b/, /trash/, /bant/, etc.) is a toilet by reporting this thread en masse.
If necessary, force the "mods" to actually do their fucking jobs by reporting this shitty thread as a violation of U.S. law.
Here's a link so you don't have to scroll up to the top of the page.
https://sys.4chan.org/co/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=155831453
You can report something multiple times by clearing your cookies and reseting your router.

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>>155832530
AI will help us fix everything

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>>155832998
I'm more of a big tits on a smol girl fan myself.

>>155831453
The Ben 10 reboot sucked

>>155831736
Green Yuri is coming out in a few months. This whole chud argument about anime being le epic homophobic dies with how popular that shit is. They got a Nirvana song for the opening ffs.

>>155833124
Just so long as I don't need to hear yurifags pretending to be "real otaku" anymore.
Tired of those annoying lying posers trying to act like they're "on our side."

>>155832277
Tell me more about em.

>>155831941
There was a MAWS thread a while back where it was pointed out that for as much as a lot of these shows are constantly taking inspo from Dragon Ball Z, they all stop short of what made Dragon Ball Z popular to begin with. The fight scenes, the way the characters dedicated themselves to beating the shit out of each other. That no amount of Western censorship could hide a level of
violence that wasn't really in BTAS or Spider-man or whatever.

Yeah, you cared about the story, but if your first memory of dragon ball wasn't flipping channels and watching two characters beat the shit out of each other, then it was watching a Three Days Grace AMV made in Windows Movie Maker

>>155831524
Real answer: normie men still have a very low tolerance for gay dudes, especially in media. Normies will be nice to gays for a good while but once the gays start to accelerate the homoness, the normies get very uncomfortable. They still have the maggot reflex to seeing two men kissing. There is a bunch of reasons why Bros failed and this is definitely one of them.

>>155833201
There's a lot of disingenuous people who think the "heart" of Dragon Ball isn't the action. They wax poetic over the Pilaf saga, and that that's "true" Dragon Ball. No. What was literally right after the fucking Pilaf saga? A tournament arc. Half of fucking OG Dragon Ball is a tournament arc, and fighting. Dragon Ball IS about people beating the shit out of each other, and that's awesome.

>>155832428
Yeesh

>>155831941
Also, as for Vivzie, I just said this in another thread.

People need to understand something very important. Fujos are in constant denial of their own fetishization. They will die on that hill.

They made a whole goddamn "fujo to trans pipeline" term as a result of self-inserting as men so much because they can't admit they're fetishizing it.

They will tell you the Omegaverse is a commentary on gender roles and not a breeding kink thing. They will tell you the extremely rapey uke/seme shit is actually about the complex emotions and intrigue.

The lengths to which a lot of fujoshi will go to deny they're fetishizing it, to the point that a lot of them have no idea why the gay guys they talk to get disturbed and try to leave, is absolutely insane

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>>155831453
anime is just child sex fantasies.
dont watch anime

This show will flop because little boys have nobody to identify with. The choice is between a girl and fag. Boys don't want to be fags. That shit is disgusting.

>>155833201
MAWS is so weird to me, who the hell thought "Superman by way of nu-Voltron" was a good idea?
It's basically just a Superman show for gays and women.

>>155833353
Kys, moralfag soi

>>155831453
I dont see any kids watching the new Avatar. Avatar feels like its mostly stayed a thing for millennials.

>>155833440
Lois had short hair and dark skin so tomboyfags circlejerked around it.

People who seethe over gay characters being shoved into everything are literally exactly as cringe as the people who seal clap for it. It's completely inconsequential 95% of the time, and anyone normal ignores it. I was gonna avatar fag but I'm too lazy.

>>155831453
Men don't want to watch cartoons, we prefer the internet and videogames. Once kids stopped watching saturday morning cartoons, who's left watching cartoons? Nostalgiatards, obsessives, and weirdo nerds.

>>155833567
>>155833386

>>155833567
It's not inconsequential. Fags make me (and other normal people) physically ill. That shit does not belong in cartoons.

>>155833594
Wrong

>>155831453
I'm sick of lesbians getting all the shine in cartoons, and literally getting worshipped like goddesses, so I don't mind the gay dudes.

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reminder

>>155833617
Unless someone genuinely loves cartoons, they aren't going to watch them. We get content like Invincible and Knightfall because adults are the main audience in the West, so it's not all bad.

>>155832184
>animated in fucking 4s
That reminds me, why the fuck is it animated like this?
It looks so fucking choppy and ugly, even cheap shit seasonal anime is less choppy than this show.

>>155833673
Not really, life isn’t set in stone

>>155833687
because the animation "industry" has no money anymore. They can't do animation without abusing of autotweening. So it is either choppy or something looking out of micromedia flash

>>155831453
looks like Nisha is giving a blowjob

>>155832062
>totally spies
Half of its audience was boys

>>155831665
He looks much more attractive in that art than the show.

Speaking of MAWS, someone theorized that the ugly women designs are part of an attempt to normalizing non-passing trans women.

>>155833601
Homophobia is a mental illness. Nordic people have never had a problem with gays.

>>155834038
Retarded fag

>>155834038
Genius straight.

>>155834083
Stop being weak

>>155831863
Those are Japanese shows not made for Americans.

American Shows are ones like Tiny Toon Adventures and Animaniacs.

>>155834038
>theory
no, it is an outright fact.

>>155832653
>But plenty of yaoi is barashit for gay men too
No? The majority of yaoi isn't bara and teh demo for yaoi is exclusively women

>>155834244
No, you have shittaste

>>155831502
Juvenile comedy for toddlers. Accounted for in OP.
>>155831665
You're going to get neither.

>>155834289
>for toddlers
Nope

>>155831736
honestly people are gonna say "nuh uh there's straight anime you don't have to watch the gay shit" but then conveniently forget that all of the top shonen anime always have faggot tranny characters, every single fucking one

>>155831524
Im not homophobic, but I do believe there's a difference between a gay man and a faggot. Most gay men in media also happen to be faggots and the stories always push some melodrama. It isn't 2005 anymore. Being gay isn't controversial, but writers write like it is.

>>155834354
>of the top shonen anime always have faggot tranny characters, every single fucking one
But you aren’t in those

>>155832062
The problem is that the more you care about your gender the more schizophrenic you get about gendering things which is why bronies were on category 5 cope with MLP being secretly marketed towards adult men and not little girls. Good writing and fun characters will pull both men and women regardless of the demographic, just look at Transformers fujos and men who like Sailor Moon.
The real problem is the use of character demographics as advertising. That has nothing to do with marketing towards genders.

>>155834354
>all of the top shonen anime always have faggot tranny characters
Those are minor side characters. The main cast is all straight. No shounen anime does something as stupid as making the only male self-insert into a fag.

>>155834388
yes, shockingly anime and cartoons aren't real life you faggot, one day I hope you understand
>>155834409
so?

>>155831665
>One of the easiest way to pander to gays is to give them a rugged older male with charisma as a bonus
gays get gleeful for the most bland shit

>>155834423
Don’t project

Even if it weren't for faggots, the show is so far from the original premise that made it good that I don't see why anybody is even going to waste time on it.

>>155834441
nice rebuttal gay boy

>>155831453

I think the reason Helluva Boss is so popular is because it focuses on bisexuality in guys.

>>155834409
They should, because I want to see the shitstorm.

>>155834452
yeah I saw them change the symbols of the elements to completely non-sensical garbage and I can't be bothered
shit they ruined the bending history with korra anyway so fuck it

>>155834459
But I’m not you

>>155831524

Truthfully as a bisexual guy, I want more bi guys in media.

>>155831453
Boys and men left for /v/idya.

>>155834423
>so?
Audiences need somebody to relate to. There's a reason why shounen anime is led by straight young/teen boys. Boys don't relate to fags. This shit matters if your want your show to be successful.

>>155833202
Why don't (most) normie women act the same way about lesbians?

>>155834502
what?

>>155831665
>One of the easiest way to pander to gays is to give them a rugged older male with charisma as a bonus
I can at least verify this. My best friend is gay and the motherfucker loves old guys so much. I don't even really understand it but he doesn't care about the sexual identity of the dude, just that he's old and strong.

>>155832920
The consistency is that they want to feel special and don't give a crap about anyone else since they expect them to be represented somewhere else. If you call them out on this, it's always, and I mean ALWAYS reframed as them trying to argue "muh existence" because those types of NPCs are hysterics that steal all of their talking points from the same handful of psyops and radicals.

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The men on this website are so damn fragile and sexist. I hope more women, trans and gay people take over your cartoons and be happy with all the new rep they're getting while you're all pissing yourselves. Cry about it.

>>155834563
You are fragile, vermin

I swear I remember ATLA doing everything possible to not be swayed by shippers. How did this IP just get reigned by them?

>>155834566
>fell for the most obvious bait of all time
Sad.

>>155834563
See you in the thread where we discuss why Seven Havens couldn't get renewed for another season and wow what a mystery how did this happen

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>>155831453
If anime is so manly why it always ends inspiring gay shit like Steven universe and high guardian spice

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>>155831524

it's the uncanny valley effect. To contrast, it explains why Malfoid blew up so hard. Men and women romance asymmetrically. The men woo and pursues, the woman receives and decides. There is investment in acquiring and maintaining the relationship and is generally mutually rewarding assuming the woman isn't a complete narcissist who mistakes romance for simping and the man isn't a complete pig who throws women away like trash.

>>155834616
Don’t be delusional, burger fag

>>155832062
>is it a show that is action heavy? then shit like totally spies, miraculous ladybug and any magical girl show would be a boys show
Unironically yes, those are enjoyed by boys.

>>155832751
GIRUGAMESH

>>155833324
Women constantly feel the need to "justify" having weirder fetishes under some "progressive" lens while men don't give a shit and tell you to piss off if you try to police them. I can't help but envy men in that regard, it is fucking tiring seeing this shit constantly

>>155831665
thats hot

>>155831535
This.

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>>155834631
These gay cartoons always reference anime shows as inspiration dont try to deny that

>>155832783
Theres alot more then you think.
>>155832861
Fujo anime, not designed for gay men and Japan barely talks about it, it's strictly Americans that talk about it and to Japan that is considered a bomb.
>>155833057
Both are AI.
>>155833490
Zoomers, millennials watched real anime on Toonami.
>>155833594
Not true, MeTV Toons will like to have a word with you.

Also video games only applys to Nintendo, Normies left Sony because of killing off physical (but it goes as far back as removing PS2 support from the PS3) and left Microsoft after their treatment of Rare.
>>155833629
The thing is the gay crap got rejected.
>>155834038
Luz isn't ugly, but she isn't Jessica Rabbit either.

>>155832861
It was fucking bad, dude, the author just couldn't help but shoehorn her fetish into it, which ruined the entire point of what he learned

>>155834745
Doesn’t mean anything, you smarmy subhuman

>>155834656
a show having an audience of boys doesn't mean it's made for boys
they just happen to have captured a male audience
MLP fim isn't made for boys yet it got a male audience

>>155834616
That's more a reflection of the western cartoonists than anything else.
It'd be like saying Hamlet is gay if some gay cartoonist makes a gay version of Hamlet.

>>155834523
I dunno. I'm not a woman. The only thing I do think I know is that normie hetero women don't actually like it when lesbos make moves on them.

>>155834843
>normie hetero women don't actually like it when lesbos make moves on them
Yeah, I feel like that's pretty obvious since they're straight and all

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>>155831524

>>155834182
They're made for a world wide market.

Japanese shows not made for Americans but have Americans involved are ones like Tiny Toon Adventures and Animaniacs.
>>155834248
>Bara.
Doesn't need to be.

The demo for yaoi is almost exclusively gay men, women is less then 1%.
>>155834289
Teen Titans Go isn't Bluey.
>>155834406
LESS THEN 1%!
>>155834462
No, as it's not as big as Pokémon.

>>155834783
>>155834888
You are beyond pathetic

>>155834888
>The demo for yaoi is almost exclusively gay men, women is less then 1%.
This is a joke, right? Yaoi has always been a genre primarily by women for women.

>>155834908
Anon, stop replying to Famicom, just ignore it.

>>155831453
Oh look, fucking "Disney's First Gay Syndrome" again, where they move the goalposts by applying increasingly strict criteria (in this case ignoring LOK) and/or ignoring existing characters. Someone tell Mannie that this kind of bullshittery is just old-fashioned tokenism.

>>155833629
If it was really about "representation" gay dudes would be more common in cartoons since they don't get represented as much as lesbians, but they just go with lesbians because it's "safe" and marketable.

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>>155831481
No, that's just because women always try to infiltrate men's spaces, including fandoms.
TMNT being popular with girls doesn't mean it was made with them in mind, they just butted in because boys liked it.

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>>155834805
"It doesn't mean anything, it just keeps happening over and over"

>>155834888
>The demo for yaoi is almost exclusively gay men, women is less then 1%.
That's like saying lesbian porn is exclusively for women.

>>155834862
Well, you would think that, but remember we're living in a post post modern post irony hellscape that has people legitimately thinking all women are aggressively bisexual and love random clam slams.

>>155834948
Is the idea of women liking something aimed at men simply because they think it is cool so strange to you?

>>155834952
Keep coping, fag

>>155834502
NO THEY FUCKING DON'T!!!!!

People HATE self inserts, people want funny animals why drop anvils on people heads and thats all they want, NO HUMANS (Excluding Popeye, Fred Flintstone and Laura Haruna of course)!!!!!

Have zero humans and have your entire cast be nothing but funny talking animals, this shit matters if your want your show to be successful.
>>155834523
They do, check up Facebook, Reddit and X.
>>155834656
After they hit puberty, just like with anime.
>>155834810
Less then 1%.

>>155831721
The more confusing thing is why women are gay. Women are a lot of work, way more than most girls are willing to put into a relationship.

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>>155834963
There's a lot of straight women out there who claim to be lesbian too (for oppression points), but would never touch another women's pussy.

>>155834938
You might wanna work on your reading comprehension, buddy

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>>155831453
Animation in the West died off because there was seen as no value to producing it when it became cheaper to just pay to broadcast + dub anime.

It has been circling the drain for decades, from the 90s onwards when it became more of a cost-cutting exercise to produce shows that were only worth what merchandise they could bring in, and as that tapered off executives continued to disinvest in it until it's in the state it's in now. Cheap cartoons for little babies, and maybe a few projects helmed by Millennial women who were big Tumblr users who work for cheap and don't ask for more because they are the privileged daughters of the industry who don't need more money and see more value in the "prestige" of being able to brag to their little friends about the LesbianxTransxRelatablexComingOfAge AO3 expressions of mediocrity they are responsible for.

The men have left the industry. They weren't being rewarded for their time, so left. There's no real prestige in the industry anymore, there's nothing impressive to contribute towards or be proud of. There's no room for a man to lead a project for his vision that won't be co-opted, compromised, censored and watered down until it's Lame and Gay. There's no room for Male expression. There's no financial incentive on any level in animation. If there's no reason for men to be there, they won't be.

It's ultimately a reflection of a society-wide trend where men on the whole are being marginalised and pushed to the sidelines because "It's Her Turn!", as in, because most of the people in the 1% of society are men, that must mean that ALL of men benefit from the same power structure, so it's a GOOD THING to deprive them of opportunity and see Male expression as gauche and offensive extensions of evil patriarchal forces. It's such an ignorant ideology that is truly poisoning our future across many fields.

>>155834908
That has never been the case.
The female market for yaoi is less then 1%, it's like how yuri is mostly read by actual lesbians and the men who read it are less then 1%.

Give it up already.

>>155835005
People can't control what they find hot. I imagine it's also easier for many lesbians to understand another woman's needs in a relationship considering they're also women.

>>155834936
NO! THIS IS NOT FAMICOM FOR ONCE!!!!!

>>155835006
Exactly

>>155835049
Liar, liar pants on fire

>>155834571
When Avatar was coming out, it was one of the few shows to get the "perfect television" label from the internet and probably one of the only kids shows to do so.

That's pretty big. But you know what's even bigger?

Zutara is probably the first time where shipping discourse got so out of hand that it effected beyond the shipping scene of the fandom.

It was one of the first big instances of a cast/crew learning why you never interact with the fandom in a way where they can potentially think you endorse their fanon and that particular fire is still being put out to this day.

It is so hard to explain. It had the standard shipper crap of the time. (The canon love interests being flanderized or outright villainized in fanfic, the flame wars) but it was one of the first times you saw a shipping war get to the point where non-shippers will abandon thread if it came up because it would inevitably take over conversations.

This site and a handful of others were the only ones where you could talk about ATLA while being safe from the Zutara-Kataang war until Korra found its footing and changed the subject

I'm pretty sure Bryke are still mindbroken by just how insane Zutara got at times.

>>155831524
99% of people don't want to see that at all. There is a reason why most, if not all, >gay representation in media is done with dykes

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>>155835094
>99% of people don't want to see that at all
Then why is Hazbin so popular?

>>155832532
>alot
>then

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>>155831524
for 95% of all people, it's equivalent to seeing maggots

>>155835106
vizieslop is only popular with autists and fujos

>>155835153
Skill issue

>>155834616
Because men create, faggots copy.

>>155831453
shoreleave is one of my favorite characters in venture bros.

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>NO! THIS IS NOT FAMICOM FOR ONCE!!!!!

>>155835153
People get boners from seeing maggots?

>>155834960
It is, the men who read yuri are less then 1% and are either closet trannies, trannies who may or may not already had the bottom surgery and men who have very low levels of testosteron which need to get those levels check ASAP.
>>155835068
Avatar isn't The Great Piggy Bank Robbery, please stop treating it as such.

Also; You know what bigger then Avatar?

Pokémon.

Ash X Misty is probably the first time where shipping discourse got so out of hand that it effected beyond the shipping scene of the fandom.

It was one of the first big instances of a cast/crew learning why you never interact with the fandom in a way where they can potentially think you endorse their fanon and that particular fire is still being put out to this day.

It is so hard to explain. It had the standard shipper crap of the time. (The canon love interests being flanderized or outright villainized in fanfic, the flame wars) but it was one of the first times you saw a shipping war get to the point where non-shippers will abandon thread if it came up because it would inevitably take over conversations.

This site and a handful of others were the only ones where you could talk about Pokémon while being safe from the Ash X Misty war until Serina found her footing and changed the subject

I'm pretty sure Satoshi Tajiri, Junichi Masuda and Ken Sugimori are still mind broken by just how insane Ash X Misty got at times, they just wanted to bring bug catching to the 21th century, not produce pointless ships to a guy who ended up with his own Pikachu in a asexual relation which is why he got replaced with Liko in the first place.

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>Mods aren't doing shit in a OC Sonic thread and here
>Likely auto-sages this shit and the other
I didn't get paid to call my lawyers over 4chan's eventual death AND sue the ones responsible for neglecting this site.

Audiences like self insert characters, especially human ones.

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>>155834997
And over and over and over

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>>155834973
Yes, because they also tend to be the biggest fakers/posers/larpers/whatever in the fandom.
That, and there's no other reason a demographic notorious for complaining when their gender is "badly represented" can get so much onboard with stuff like Dragon Ball or One Piece or other shonens of the moment, who are usually so blatantly unfavorable in their portrayal of women they'd make Trump blush and don't even have "hot boys" for them to shlick to.

And of course it's curious how the opposite almost never happens. How many boys got into Twilight? Or Monster High? Or even Inuyasha? Cases like MLP or Saior Moon are once in a blue moon, IPs geared specifically towards girls are most of the time of no interest for boys no matter how "cool" the girls think they are, and in fact when an IP for boys gets a female lead it's its death kiss, as Disney proved.

>>155833202
Bros failed because it's about a niche subculture.

>>155831524
Wrong? Nothing. I just won’t be watching it
My problem is that gay culture is fucking annoying and so are gay people 99.99% of the time. If it were just one gay guy I might be able to just let it go but it’s fucking two of them and their bullshit is going to be part of the show. Gay character is one thing. Gay stories as part of the plot mean I’m not watching.

>>155835027
Kinda this.
Cartoons stopped being for men years ago, so men just generally don't watch cartoons anymore.
The only ones that do are the immensely autistic and the immensely gay, usually both at the same time.

>>155835270
Coyote Vs Acme is changing that.

>>155835246
Doesn’t mean shit, retard

>>155835239
No they fucking don't, Chris Thorndyke is proof of that.

I think boys are mostly watching Youtubers now anyway

>>155835239
So why ace thruster is so based.

>>155831453
>giving a fuck about Xittertard
Why aren’t Twitter posts banned again?!?

>>155835341
Yea, Youtubers like Joe Redifer and Clint Basinger.

Except both boys and girls love Joe Redifer and Clint Basinger and they still watch cartoons thanks to Warner Archive's recent releases and MeTV Toons.

>>155835341
I would be too if all of the cartoons in my formative years had been girlpowerslop
If anything they’re a nearly untapped market. Any single cartoon specifically and exclusively catered toward boys would probably do really well right now if anybody would release one. And I mean something original, not “Marvelstory8, social-messaging edition”

Real men don’t complain. Real men adapt and move on.
>b-b-but THEM
If you stop paying, it will matter. If you keep complaining, it will only fuel their desire to make things that go against you. Only when we find new things to give a shit about will things change and try to win you back.

>>155835270
Well that and you also have the backlog effect streaming has brought in. I'm in my twenties and got really hook with all the toy cartoons of the 80s and 90s that streaming sites like Tubi and others have and it's going to be awhile before I want something "new" I be right there to watch a new action show but the odds I consume any merc or the kind of metrics they need to show success isn't there because I shift back to watching something like Dino-Raiders or CyberSix because as neat as new stuff is we are just not going to see the balls to the walls crazy of animations and stories that were made back then.

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>Except both boys and girls love Joe Redifer and Clint Basinger and they still watch cartoons thanks to Warner Archive's recent releases and MeTV Toons.

>>155835423
>Real men adapt and move on.
Yes, to anime.
That's what men who were interested in animation did, years ago.

>>155835154
>>155835106
don't forget patreon leeches.

>>155835423
Shut up, cuck

>>155835439
And those anime are called Hamtaro and Mirumo De Pon.

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This man will save Western Animation. Just give him the Flintstones and watch him work his magic.

>>155835439
Anime is so thoroughly shitty now it's not even funny. Great another 10 of isekai/generic fantasy garbage.

>>155835483
>Great another 10 of
ESL begone, we should never have given your kind access to the internet.

>>155835394
>Any single cartoon specifically and exclusively catered toward boys would probably do really well right now if anybody would release one.
the only show that does this is space king

>>155831522
TTG just keeps winning while capefags seethe and cry their favorite corporate properties are being ridiculed to death for the shallow fiction they are

>>155834783
>Fujo anime
I dont care
>not designed for gay men
Im a gay man, it was cute it reminded me of dating in highschool
>and Japan barely talks about it, it's strictly Americans that talk about it and to Japan that is considered a bomb.
Commercial success doesnt make something good

>>155834796
Tentacles are based. The only thing they did wrong was not end it with a real date because they're fishing for a second sesson

>>155835527
Kys, faggot

>>155835472
No, he has already been black listed.

At best he is working on the Ted cartoon for Peacock.

>>155835532
You're just lying at this point.

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>>155831524
>What’s wrong with having gay men in a show?

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>>155831453
I would argue the main reason anime is so popular with American boys and young men is closer to this:

>>155835498
I wish. I just type like shit. I'd rather not be in the US now. It's too fucking hot.

>>155835568
Everything.

It's against everything Tex Avery stood for.

>>155835599
>I'd rather not be in the US now. It's too fucking hot.
Absolutely 100% ESL, probably some kind of SEA who doesn't understand how hemispheres work.

>>155835583
Like there's one or two new American cartoons PER YEAR on streaming services that are watchable for ANYONE.

Why the fuck do you think we're on here arguing about shows that ended 10 years ago? Because it takes that fucking long for something to replace it.

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>It's against everything Tex Avery stood for.

>>155835532
Tentacles? I'm talking about how she blatantly shoves her Teacher-Student fetish into the manga and show by first adding random scenes that serve zero narrative purpose into it and then later make Hirose fall in love with said teacher in the sequel manga and Nakamura being none the wiser while his fantasies involving Hirose become more and more perverted
There will be no second season unless they're gonna diverge from the manga

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>>155835583
The anime boys and men of all ages are watching.

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>>155831766
>>155831453
Education in Action was a mortal blow to the genre and American Animation industry. Thus, Swat Kats was the peak of the action cartoon genre.

Haha, no. It was Invasion America or Red Earth. The cartoons that tried to tell a real story without trying to titular or infantilize.

>>155835633
Wrong

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>>155835633
Goddamn right.
And after they grow up and get a job they move on to this.

>>155835006
Isn't this what strictly tops are for gay men.

>>155835633
This is the most pedophile-coded post I’ve ever seen.

>>155835614
I mean the real issue is that we have an El Nino event which is stirring up the waters. The wars that released thousands of gallons of oil hasn't helped either. The winter is going to be just as miserable as the summer but when gas hits 6 bucks a galleon people where I live are definitely going to go nuts. A lot of them have guns. Also, this doesn't detract from the point that Anime is also garbage now.

>>155835680
Drawings ain’t real and I hate Famicon

>>155835641
Batman The Animated Seris was better.
>>155835648
No, right, Laura Haruna and Katie Minami are just as loved and remembered as Bugs Bunny and Woody Woodpecker.
>>155835658
No, still Laura Haruna and Katie Minami, they're timeless.

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>>155835698
Anon it's time for you to grow up and get a job.

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>>155835633
>>155835469
I don't know which retarded subreddit gave your dumb ass the idea that kids shows like Hamtaro are more popular among boys than any shonen of the day, but if you could stop with your self-humiliation ritual so the thread doesn't get any shittier, that'd be appreciated.

>>155835691
>we
Bro, that El Nino is mostly hitting South America, not the US. The actual big event going on in the US right now is a hurricane hitting Florida, which is basically just Tuesday.
Stop it man, this is just getting stupid.

>>155835680
No, normies love Laura Haruna and Katie Minami just as much as Bugs Bunny and Woody Woodpecker.

>>155835023
I read it just fine, Disney First Gay Syndrome is what I call the phenomenon of having a "first LGBT" several times a year by making it only apply to increasingly specific categories.

>>155835727
see
>>155834936

jesus christ this thread is aids

>>155835727
No, he’s naturally retarded

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>>155835754
Well duh, it's about gays.

>>155831524
>What’s wrong with having gay men in a show?
the ones we get are LAME

>>155835680
you're new around here, aren0t you?

Animaniacs and Tiny Toon Adventures are American created, American produced, story boarded, composed and written.

>>155835727
No shonen has the popularity of Sazae-San and Chibi Maruko-Chan.

>>155835754
yeah, italy's fault.

>>155835754
Guess the primary cause of aids.

>>155835783
Animaniacs and Tiny Toon Adventures might of had a American creator, but are Japanese produced, story boarded and written with limited Americans on staff.

Composing was American because everything Japan dose is post-sync and both Animaniacs and Tiny Toon Adventures are pre-synced.

>>155835814
Ma vaffanculo va ricchione

>>155835740
Let me help you
>Jae and his boyfriend Datu: Our first gay couple and LGBTQ+ representation in Avatar Seven Havens
>first gay couple and LGBTQ+ representation in Avatar Seven Havens
>LGBTQ+ representation in Avatar Seven Havens
>in Avatar Seven Havens
>in
They're not talking about Disney's First Gay Syndrome again, they're saying it will be the first of many
I hope that helps

>>155834563
Trannies tend to kill themselves to quick for them to take over anything for a meaningful amount of time without having their masters to do it for them.

>>155835854
That ended up being rejected to avoid conflict with the normies.

>>155835511
Yeah. If they don’t want to make cartoons for boys that’s fine, other entertainment exists, but it’s fucking insulting to follow that up with saying that boys don’t want them or anything similar.
>You know exactly what boys didn’t want which is why you put it in there lmao

I really can't remember the last time I watched an American cartoon and a male character made me go
>Damn this dude is badass
Meanwhile in anime it happens all the time

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>>155836116
>Meanwhile in anime it happens all the time

>>155836116
Anime never had that happen.

>I really can't remember the last time I watched an American cartoon and a male character made me go
>>Damn this dude is badass
SpongeBob SquarePants.

>>155831522
this show's still going? i thought they fired beast boy's VA

>>155836127
Read >>155836132

>>155831453
Anime is just goyslop from japan

SpongeBob SquarePants is nearly as valuable as the entire Looney Tunes IP in a third of the time.

>>155836145
Japan is as anti goy as you can get.

>>155835068
>It was one of the first big instances of a cast/crew learning why you never interact with the fandom in a way where they can potentially think you endorse their fanon and that particular fire is still being put out to this day.
Literal writers on the show were pushing for it long before it ended. zutara got so out of hand because it was a literal civil war in the writers room that john o bryan, joshua hamilton and others involved in the show have attested to till this day, and you can see it bleed into the writing no matter how many autists deny this. the fandom/shippers themselves dont actually affect shit

>>155835854
>anon in charge of reading comprehension
there was gay stuff in legend of korra remember? they made a big deal out of it and everything. that's what anon means by "increasingly specific categories".

Absolute Batman show on the way at least.

>>155836145
Kys

>>155836148
Pokémon, not SpongeBob SquarePants.
>>155836157
That ending was made to pander to Palcomix and Paheal because adult perverted men were the only ones watching Korra by Book 4.

Strictly.

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Unit 731 is a water treatment plant.

>>155836116
American cartoons don't have a
>Gojo/Sukuna
>Kenpachi
>Jotaro
>Reinhard
>Itachi
Young boys need a dude like that from time to time

>Last major exception was a ben 10 reboot that ended 5 years ago.

Animation vs Animator?
Primal?
Spiderverse?
Arcane?
Blue Eyed Samurai?
Fucking Invincible, one of the most widely memed and popular action cartoons of the past fucking decade?

>>155835844
>Tiny Toon Adventures
That was so painfully unfunny. What was up with the bird thing? She was such a cunt and all the characters just acted like she was cool and awesome

>>155836211
They have better

>>155836233
Such as?

>>155836243
Everyone

>>155836211
Dude, everyone hates those characters, why have those pieces of shit when you can have...
>Bugs Bunny
>Daffy Duck
>Porky Pig
>Foghorn Leghorn
>Tweety
>Sylvester The Cat
>Pepé Le Pew
Instead...
Young boys need dudes like that all the time.

>>155836218
No it was not, it was extremely funny and Sweety is cool and awesome (in series).
>>155836243
Buster Bunny.

>>155836253
>don’t be like itachi, be like foghorn leghorn
Unfathomably fucking based kek

>>155836253
The young boy of today knows more about Gojo Satoru than all these characters combined

>>155836273
No they do not, The young boys/girls of today knows more about Bugs Bunny than Gojo Satoru.

>>155836273
I’d rather be foghorn than gojo desu
Gojo got cut in half and foghorn later became an accidental NEET billionaire who owns a bunch of shit for reasons nobody can explain. The way he always shits on Carol without a second thought gets me every fucking time
>A mistake was wearing those shoes with that blouse, Carol

>>155836288
It's 2026 grandpa, kids don't care about looney tunes

>>155834948
>pleb
damn I miss her