It's goodYou're just jealous
>>155833375Based.
I wouldn't know if it's good, it's so boring I can't finish the first episode. I always tap out when they start talking to the bird guy.
>Add the cute tomgirl>Nothing changesCan ANYTHING save this show at this point
>>155833509>Nooooooooo
>>155833375Wouldn't know, never watched it, there is something so offputting about it for me, same with glitch stuff.
>>155833531There's one thing left to tryThey're gonna have to pander to the fujos and make shrike and beebs kissIt's the only way at this point. Should have known too, no heterosexual male would waste their time with this show to begin with
>>155833375Why, are ppl saying that a lot?
>>155833553But why is glitch stuff so much more successful than MW?That's what I wonder
>>155833579Glitch stuff is engineered in a lab specifically to attract fandom
>>155833531
>>155833579>Aussie taxcuck bucks founding>Actually interesting character design>Waifu material right off the bat>They know how to pander to the mentally illManny reasons anon
>>155833614No, seething fag
>>155833375>Got a Netflix deal>Still has to beg for moneyWhen will Zeurel finally budge on making shorter episodes?He threatens to make a motion comic but we know goddamn well that will never happen. I don't particularly blame him, I want this to be animated but it will need a far shorter runtime.
>>155833714He probably got into debt with the cartel and that's why he tries to inflate the real cost of each episode
>>155833766Would explain Shrike's accent
>>155833766Seriously though, it wouldn't shock me whatsoever if this man is dick deep in debt
>>155833714all that debt for a very bland project
>>155833614This. There is a special autism serum in their products to attract instant success.
Who the fuck cares about goon bait? I wanna molest the robots
>>155835090Jobber-to-be.
>>155833375not watching that patreonslop
>>155833375Hi ZurealStill struggling with those pattern bucks?
Such an interesting premise wasted on two dogshit main characters that the creator should have left in the past that do not fucking fit into the narrative in the slightest.
>>155833375>You're just jealousthe only reason I even remember this exits is because you won't stop spamming threads for it
>>155835774idk why bro cant just shut the fuck up or vent on a private discord with his animator peers, i know putting in a ton of effort and not getting a proportional return on your investment is frustrating but bitching about it on main is unbecoming
>>155836424too many artists are married to their pet project from high school like dude you did not come up with your best idea at 17 be serious rn
>>155836490It is weird, to be a good artist you gotta reach a paradoxical state of being super passioned about your art but also know how to distance yourself from your project and cut off the parts that suck, same with being egocentrical enough to believe in your idea and still have the humility to recognize you can still improve.Very few autists reach this balance and this is why editors and people able to tard wrangle creatives is such an important part in the industry.
>>155836461Because subconsciously he thinks venting his frustrations will help gather support for his show. That only works if your a hot girl and I do mean girl not those tranny queers
>>155833375>KoG broke 5 mill in less than 24 hours>The weakest Space King episode still outperforms the first 5 five episodes combined>Newest episode backed with mainstream media support barely broke 500k views after a weekWhat should I be jealous of, the man who sells the Zeurel the rope he's gonna use?
When your Show is boring - not good, not bad - but simply boring - there is no saving it. There's no hope for Monkey Wrench because it's boring.And the worst sin a show can commit is being boring. Boring is forgettable. Forgettable is death.
>>155837332Quoting a youtube guy talking about Concord.>It has this anomalous effect of wiping itself from your mind and memories the second you stop looking at it.
>>155837229How many views did monkey wrench's first episode get?
>>155833509>it's so boring I can't finish the first episodeworry not, as someone who finished three episodes, i can tell you aren't missing that much.
>>155833644anon, it isn't even that deep, it's named appeal, Glitch makes appealing shows, 'cause they've been experimenting a lot with this concept.
>>155837332This is why i do respect bad shows over boring mediocre ones.A bad production tried genuinely but failed. A mediocre one is just there, not trying at all. i had a great time watching High Guardian Spice and Lesbian Space Princess 'cause these suck massive ass but in a very entertaining way, and you can see the passion on these, even if completely misguided. MW is just animation flex (Zeurel's passion and MW's only strong aspect) but it's very lacking of any genuine substance, and the main characters are bad, just bad, but unlike Saira or Rosemary, they are bad in a very uninteresting way. i would laugh at Saira's misery or Rosemary's incompetence, but Big Fuck and Chicano Worm are not fun to observe, quite the opposite.
>>155833375Its one problem is the main characters.Shrike is awful to listen to and watch, fuck I'd look for a Japanese dub jut to get rid of the voice and I would still be off put by how awful the character is.
>>155837980Don't lie anon, you also wanted to >rape Saira and Rosemary.Shrike isn't nearly as rapeable
>>155838139i don't have a rape fetish, and in any case:For HGS i would prefer Snapdragon.For LSP i would prefer Willow.
>>155838166>SnapdragonBased pick
>>155838189Just based if Caraway doesn't get away with grooming Snapdragon into transitioning. Good thing the show ended before that happened.
>>155838217Eh they have magic.You can groom him into transitioning back.
>>155837841Just barely over 2 mil, after 3 years. I believe it was 1.4 mil last year. Pilots almost always have the biggest number because it's the first thing people click on before they decide it's garbage.
>>155837229>The weakest Space King episode still outperforms the first 5 five episodes combinedThis isn't true anymore Chudly Mcvirgin, pretty much all the episodes have gotten a 40% boost in visibility since the Netflix deal dropped.
>>155833616She looks like she fucks chicano worms...
>>155833714Seriously tho, why not? 10-15 minutes episodes would literally let him show off his animation skill more, someone needs to tell this faggot he just doesn't have the writing chops to keep peoples attention for 30 minutes. I'm sure someone in his circle would volunteer their time to tighten up his scripts. Hell he could even do the Vivzieism and throw his shitty plot out the window for 4 episodes and focus on making his characters actually likeable, I doubt most people would even notice.
>>155838254Just let him be himself. This is why i hate Caraway (well, one of many reasons, he sucks in every way), he kept projecting himself into Spandragon. Like fuck off, let Snap be himself.
>>155838432They will repopulate Humanity, but it's gonna be mixed with space Mexican blood. The California chud dream.
>>155833375My friend forced me to watch it and I consider this attack on my senses. Looks like a colourful vomit and doesn't have a single good design in the whole show. That's an achievement on its own.Don't even get me started on that dialogue. For some reason while it's perfectly comprehensible on paper, most of the time I register it as a simple babble. Must be a combination of annoying voices and often frantic delivery.
>>155838547Great point.Caraway needs to be groomed
>>155835090agreed, but If you're that anon who once drew Dead Eye with anon, you're amazing (you're still are)
>>155834257 It really is too bad. Monkey Wrench HAS its pros, but it's also bogged down by several inane creative decisions, many of which being the leading causes of Zeurel's moneysink.
>>155842535man I'm kinda sad, I was enjoying it, but yea if Zeurel won't be doing something about it I predict he would cancel it in future or after season 1
>>155833531>>155833554Yeah it's called paying e-celebs on TikTok to shill your show. The one thing Zeurel won't do.Gen-Zers are too stupid to advertise the things they like and attempt to convert more fans to their side - it's why they're so bad with the ladies.
hot takemaybe we don't want to constantly hear about how the creator is 'THIS CLOSE TO ENDING THE SERIES IF WE DON'T GET FUNDING.' Its meant to be a show, not a product. Keep that shit to yourself until the end of the series.
>>155836490I'm way younger than this guy and even I get that. Why didn't he?
This is why it's important to have friends who won't kids your ass and be real with you.
>>155833531>6 episodes just to introduce the reason your show is called thatIt's a youtube animated series.....is a cool ideia but you just can't afford this much time to grab people's attention
>>155833375Zzzzz
>>155842988Okay thenHow else would go about the expressing the importance that if your audience doesn't start pulling their damn weight and promote their favorite show, the show won't fucking exist.>>155843092Real Friends support you, not deride and tear you down. Fuck you.
>>155844191zeurel…
Remember that these guys may canonically be the biggest threat to the Galaxy aside from Green.
>>155841625Thank you! Mayhaps everytime theres a Monkey Wrench thread I shall post more Dead Eye art~
>>155844191>Don't worry dude, your house is not burning down>Relaaax you gotta b positive
>>155844191>if your audience doesn't start pulling their damn weight and promote their favorite show, the show won't fucking exist.>It's YOUR fault the show bombed>Why aren't you supporting it hmmm ?>We are making ART here>You people are the real problem!now you just need to call the public racist or something among those lines and you got the modern inclusive hollywood mentality
It's kinda bad though
Kek someone needs to make a collage everytime Zeurel has a melty in these threads
>>155838344>Look hatemace, look at what they need to mimic a fraction of our power
>>155833714>The Netflix deal didn't do a damn thing for himMan, who could've possibly seen this coming?
GOOD NEWS EVERYONEThe Monkey Girl now has 3 posts on the green site
>>155847092>Monkey girl>Doesn't uses her feet as a second pair of hands.lame
>>155844191Man, such toxic view, a true friend will point out when you're fucking it up, not as an attack but as a way to push you into doing the right thing.True friends stab you in the front.
If the male duo looked hot and the monkey girl was introduced in the first episode this would've performed better
>>155848096>Zeuriel could've had an army of fujos at his command if he only swallowed his fucking pride and changed his ugly ass characters into something actually attractive
>>155842973>Netflix>Goose>Dana >MattThere's literally non stop shilling and no one cares. You can lead a horse to water but if it doesn't drink, it's not the horse's fault, the water is piss.>>155844191Real friends would have a heart to heart before letting you crash into 500k worth of debt on a failing show>>155842988>It's a show not a productA show IS a product. I know artists romanticize the experience of telling a story but animation at this scale isn't just art, it's a business. If no one wants the product you're selling, you are fucked and left begging like he is. Executives are shitty but people like that get involved in the industry because money is super important to make a show happen. I will never understand how naive some of you fuckers are to the cold hard reality of this shit
>>155848484it turns out most of /co/ anons haven't produced anything /co/ related and therefore they will be eaten alive in the industry. Zeurel is a fairly well known animator and he's struggling 'cause bad decisions, sure, but i assure you, most anons here would just off themselves given the same position.Making a show is a risk, and taking risks doesn't pay back every time. The problem with Zeurel is he's making the same mistakes over and over instead of learning from past mistakes. Part of taking risks is learning.
You guys thought about doing your own animated series?
>>155848661It all feels too complicated, I think I would instead follow what Halo12 does and make animated shorts and animatics/music videos with some form of continuity
>>155848598Has he said why he doesn't wanna do shorter episodes?
>>155848698I'm scared of sucking, not because I actually suck but because I'm scared you guys will think I suck. Why? Because I feel if you guys think I suck, then that means I'm no different from artists you will continue to shut off from hearing out.
>>155848723Do it anyway you faggot.And if it's going to suck, make it crash and burn. Don't do what Zeuriel did and halfass it, take risks, be sincere and see what happens
>>155848769Well shit. You got it, boss
>>155848661i'm better at fixing cars, so i fix cars instead. i like to draw tho, but as hobby instead of a job.ironically i hate drawing cars.
>>155848783Do it!Remember that the only thing that separates a proffesional from an amateur is that the proffesional takes notes of his failures. If faggots here are able to like High Guardian Spice or Lesbian Space Princess, hell, even 12 Oz. Mouse, what makes you think your shitty show won't at least get some recognition?
>>155848846But isn't making a bad movie or show bad? Like really really bad? Like pedophile bad?
>>155849077Worst crime you can do is making it forgettable. Besides, everyone loves "redemption arcs"
>>155848661Yes, but honestly kind of lost on where to start.
>>155849121I don't know what makes something forgettable because I remember things other people forget
>>155848723These are the "people" that are judging you. A bunch of angry antisocial teenagers that 99% of actual people have blocked because they're a nuisance that think they're above everyone else. Meanwhile their shit stinks more than anyone else's. Have you seen the stuff the /co/ creates thread makes? Nothing but Miraculous Ladybug, DC, Marvel copypasta.>>155845921deviantart.com/micktrap397deviantart.com/plantyndeviantart.com/psychonator17I feel for Zeurel and it really sucks that you have to steep low in the marketing scheme with your own voice actors with their own fandoms having to shill for you and for you to shill towards fujos and towards certain TikTok and Tumblr crowds or else you go nowhere.
>>155849304Good morning saar
>>155849377Good morning, Pablo teenager. It's 00:37AM for India.
>>155849470Sorry, thought it was Lovecraft.Same faggy speech pattern
>>155833782>I'll spare your life if I star in your cartoon.Based CartelBoss
>>155847192disgusting
>>155835090Please don't molest the robots
>>155853174THERES NO LAW AGAINST THE ROBOTS, ANON
>>155844995PLEASE I BEG-(it's not needed actually, but you're doing amazing work anon :D)
>>155846857>doesn't help, but the new episode isn't even out on their site somehow guys he might had lost, or I didn't read anywhere he gonna send it days later there...right??
>>155848661I had thoughts about the hybrid animated series before with something close to Roger Rabbit thing, but many mixed artstyles of many stuff. The issue is I realized the part of the thing would start similar to MW where two mcs probably would be boring (plus annoying ass live action girl with both characters) and now I'm stuck again at same loop.This will never probably see the light, but I'm thankful because I sadly don't even animate good like Zeruel, but I wouldn't drag this idea like he did sort of does since it's not interesting
>>155853252Dead Eye anon it's so fucking late for me and you already made my awful day 100% better
>>155833531It's a shame. If he'd introduced this character earlier, it might have actually done well. Back in 2019 and 2020 he was reviewing sponsored products (presumably for additional funding) on his channel while developing the series, and he'd test pen tablets by animating the series characters, usually a walk/run cycle. Sadly, he deleted all those videos. I remember this character being used. Of anyone save those vids, it'd be cool to see them again.
>>155833531>tomgirlUh...anon, this doesn't mean what you think it means.
>>155833579>a single guy with his head so far up his own ass he can tongue his aortaVs.>an entire company focused on making content that is 90% Quirk Chungus “““existential””” Goonerbait with quirk Chungus humour crap all of which is also infinitely more palatable than whatever Monkey Wrench is doingNot to be a dickhead but gee I wonder
>>155848661I'm statring with a pilot and going from there. MW is a masterclass of what not to do when stuck with a failing idea. The only way I'll ever invest more time into a full season hangs on how the pilot will be received. Little success? I'll use the pilot as ad for a webcomic or some shit. Big success and high demand? Yep, that deserves more resources chucked at it. No way to tell unless I release the finished product to the general audience. >>155848698Didn't Alien Stage start as music video shorts? That went viral and studio is collabing with them to make an anime series. >>155848723I also have an autistic fear of the day the fuckers on this board see my work and make a thread about it. But like this guy >>155848769 says, do it anyways. >>155849123Compartmentalize. First, work on getting your ideas down in a document. Then work on a script, then storyboarding, so on and so forth. Don't tackle this imagining how much work you'll need to do, break it up into smaller pieces in your mind to make it seem more managable
>>155833375I honestly gave the first 3 eps a chance and was pretty bored. Aside from some nicely animated scenes, there was nothing I connected to. The two leads had nearly no chemistry, and the actual premises/chain of events for the eps were pretty run of the mill space adventure stuff. Bounty hunters in space isn't enough for me
>>155848661making a comic is more manageable and cheaper
>>155856748>Compartmentalize. First, work on getting your ideas down in a document.My issue is I never moved past this first step, believing I still needed more and more ideas to do the next successfully.I now have a doc so big and so much “concept art” (shitty doodles because I can’t draw) that I could reenact that hoarder who died by being crushed by one of his piles of paper falling over.There’s so much shit to cut through now, how do I progress?
>>155856748>Compartmentalize. First, work on getting your ideas down in a document. Then work on a script, then storyboarding,Alright, I already have a solid idea and vision of what I want to do, as well as various ideas and things documented and written down. But Im mostly lost on resources and also the vassal of voice acting or getting general help.
>>155848661Im still doing a slop furry porn comic.
>>155857089Wall of text time. Tip 1: whatever you do, do not get trapped with worldbuilding. That shit will keep you stagnant. If it's something that would appear in a season 2 finale instead of a pilot, don't develop it further than the base concept. I have had to put down so many bombastic concepts down before I could get attached. I get wanting it all down to make a cohesive story but trust me, the story will develop in time as you go. Tip 2: make episode 1 outlines. Generate a synopsis, use writing templates to structure a story in acts, and make multiple versions to see what sticks. Tip 3: shoot the shit with buddies to look over your work. A neutral perspective is crucial. Don't tell them all your lore, see if your writing can make them figure it out on their own. Tip 4: once you settle on an episode, thumbnail it. It can be dog shit stick figures but a thumbnail isn't a normal storyboard. Tip 5: story board. Keep the runtime short. If you don't have much to pad out 30 minutes, don't do it. MW has 30 min episodes and no one gives a rats ass. That black magical girl pilot that's 10 minutes? Super viral, has a thriving fanbase. Pacing cannot be too slow, you lose interest. Too fast? You overwhelm the audience and lose their attention. Do not be afraid to kill your darlings. If you're attached to an idea but it makes no sense, let that shit go. Creators not letting go of dog shit characters and ideas is why indie sucks. You can always rework it into something better later.
>>155842535>moneysinkMore like Monkeystink!
>>155857208Shit, I didn't see your reply. If you have ideas, do what I said about trying episode synopsis and testing out writing outline templates. Voice actors? Join Casting Call Club. Lots of decent quality VAs in there that will do free work. Fuck, if your idea is gold, people will bend their rates for you. Be pleasant and patient with them, you don't wanna develop a bad rap in the scene. If you are solo animating, work on it daily. An hour a day, minimum or else you'll feel like shit for procrastinating. Once you get the ball rolling, you'll find it hard to stop. >Today I'll spend an hour doing backgrounds >Tomorrow I will sketch a turn around sheetBy the end of the month, you'll be shocked at how much progress you've made by doing little things. As much as I hate discord, it really is where everyone is at and it's decent enough to coordinate with people on.
>>155857252NTA but thank you for the in depth advice.
>>155857252Thanks for all the tips, I’ll try to follow them as much as I can.
>>155857358Once again, thanks.
im just here for vinesauce joel having the time of his life being a skeleton
>>155857358>>155857252What programs would you recommend for animating? Both 2d or 3d?
>>155833714he was always a loser. I'm glad his world is crumbling around him
>>155857392>>155857429>>155857438One last thing, if you have an audience, give them updates, like 2x a month instead of radio silence. Post WIPs, something to keep people reassured that this is a real project and not a what if. Post clips of your storyboard (but not the whole thing, you want to keep some surprises) to keep the hype alive. Don't overwhelm the audience with action, make sure there's enough breathing room for them to process what happened (Sun Chasers is the epitome of "if I do super fast paced story with flashing lights, the tik tok zoomers will pay attention and make it go viral" and it was a fucking flop in the end). Be mindful of the YouTube algo, the first 30 seconds are key to hook the audience and pad your stats so the algo pushes it out more to new people. If the retention drops off too soon, your pilot is DOA. Make the thumbnails eye-catching and don't be scared to experiment with titles to get people to click. Don't go bankrupt and don't e-beg on main. On the off chance you get a fanbase? Toby Fox is what you need to be, not a Gooseworx. Parasocialism is at an all time high, that shit is scary. Making your characters aesthetically appeal goes a long way. There's a reason MW is floundering, don't let anyone tell you hot characters don't help. Doesn't even have to be a hot girl, attractive men can garner popularity. >>155857576I'm 2D. Pirate Toon boom if on PC, fuck paying hundreds. On an iPad? Toonsquid is catching on in the scene, I've seen pro level animation come out of that software and it's a one time 10 dollar fee. Keep your budget low wherever you can, animation IS expensive as fuck and you have to be smart. Don't count on a Kickstarter if you have no clout or are hoping your announcement teaser goes viral. 3D? Do blender. It's good at realism, the fucking backrooms short films that got Kane his Hollywood deal were made in it. You're only as good as your tools.
>>155851130>>155853174>>155853252He's gonna job.
>>155857674Another thank you from me.
Not really.Zeurel is an animator who never half asses anything, like Mr. Partridge..
>>155833375I agree with you, this is epic and it warms my heart to know talent still exists if you look hard enough. Just wish it was more prominent. Being on YouTube is likely a major detriment to the series. Just doesn’t put it in front of the right type of people.
>>155858409It's on Netflix
>>155858409You removed a rib to suck yourself like that boy?
Is putting the videos on TikTok good for marketing or TikTok is ironically even worse than Youtube's algorithm at finding new viewers?
>>155838308>>155837841>>155837332You're missing some views. See, the first 2 Monkey Wrench videos were first uploaded to Zeurel's channel. He then took them down, made a new channel exclusively for Monkey Wrench, and reuploaded them over there. The first episode had about 1.4 million views, and the second one around 400k, before he took them down, and now those views aren't counted on the reuploads.
>>155833714Netflix only pays out the big bucks for exclusive series, multiplatform hosting is peanuts. The main benefit is getting more eyes on your stuff.
>>155859168>first episode had about 1.4 million>the second one around 400kHoly KeK. Not even half of the audience remained.
I swear the dude has a dedicated hatedom here or something. I think Monkey Wrench is good, it took a few episodes to get there but it does keep getting better. That said, he could do a much better job trying to be more economic with the means he has rather than blowing it all and hoping to break even. Like he has a rather healthy patreon and his merch sales are above average, he just needs to scale some aspects back.
>>155859817>dedicated hatedomIt is more of a tomato throwing party.Because making fun of Zeuriel is far more entertaining than the show itself.I mean seriously, you can only e-beg and have all your far more famous internet friends shill your show so much before you start to become some sort of a lolcow.
>>155859817He needs an editor for his scripts. There's so much that could and should be cut out both to improve the show and make it cheaper.
>>155833644Yes, going to bed sperg.
>>155859879>It is more of a tomato throwing party.I just notice that the threads pop up somewhat regularly with many similar sounding posts
>>155859998Cheer up anon>>155853252 >>155847092, this fanart means that the show at least is going in the right direction, if Zeuriel manages to stop being such a faggot then maybe monkey wrench generals could be a thing
>>155859817>dedicated hatedomI don't know how anyone can say this with a straight face at this point. The show barely gets any attention and even this thread is pretty anemic. The show is unappealing and people treat it as such. The only noteworthy thing about it is how Zeurel is reacting to it's poor reception.
>>155859817The only thing I hate about the show is Zeurel's refusal to compromise He should have been making shorter episodes years ago. He could save so much fucking money. He already animates half the eps himself. Lower the length to 15 mins and either animate that himself or split it with two other animators instead of two dozen
>>155859817true, but the issue is...probably people don't wanna watch his show here or somethingidek I personally myself do enjoy it, but I'm going into these threads to talk with someone maybe about it since I never gonna do it with people in this fandom. I'm too much introverted for being friends with someone (or I tried, but that one person was acting TOO quirky type thing and all so I just dried out our convos)
>>155847092>>155847192VERY nice!
>>155859817I don't hate Monkey Wrench. I've been following Zeurel for a very long time and love his stuff, which is why I criticize it so passionately.
>>155857445ngl I be honest, IF NOT HIM I probably would never hear about this show. It's his fault I started liking it, but I also love Jaw Boner
>>155858497the new ep isn't on Netflix suprisingly. I wonder why though or they just wait till now full season will get released if they will somehow.
>>155858291>like Mr. Partridge..His Pokémon parody was really awful, it was written like a boomer making a parody of it. He could have done much better.
>>155833375mogs slop king, slop slop forever, trashbin hotel, shites of guinevere, slopeoverse and every other indieslop cartoon.
>>155846801>>155846837space king is not good, its just chudslop.
>>155864193>>155864229You know there is an age requirement to post here right kid?
>>155833375It's highly satanic because it has a catholic alien, demons and a whore woman who doesn'0t shave
>>155864378What does not shaving have to do with her being a whore?I thought that was only in the islamic regions
>>155864363clearly not, since the 12 year old slop king/slopping friends/oneypreys fags proliferate this board with their parasocial eceleb slop.
>>155864588What the fuck?What does space king has to do with oneyplays?Are you just throwing low quality bait at random?
>>155864609Zach Hadel was in an episode of Space King playing Zach Hadel. It's all chud-aligned ecelebslop
>>155864691Ok...Cool.Whatever you say buddy.
So...Monkey Wrench amirite?
>>155833375Jealous of what? Annoying leads and a weak plot?
>>155856938But you people don't read comics, but you read manga, and I can't make manga cause I'm not Japanese
>>155856748A master class of what not to do? Can you tell me all those things that I shouldn't do?
>>155864999nta but it all goes into the cost-sunk fallacy
>>155864588>slopping friendsI don't see Smiling Friends being mentioned right now, the oneyplays thing shouldn't be even on this board so what's the point
>>155865192Is just a newfag doing his "Baby's first bait" you can see it in the way he overused "Slop" as some kind of Pee pee Poo Poo insult.
>>155848598>>155848661Most anons would just make fetish porn. Probably involving either girls with huge boobs or sexy loli. Then realise that YouTube and most networks won't let them air it.
>>155865192they proliferate this board, not just this thread. Learn to read faggot >>155865228looks like the slopulists are seething lmao. Reminder that the scamstarter board game is never coming. kekaroo
>>155865334>slopulistsWhat the fuck does that even mean?
>>155865183That doesn't answer my question, I just wanna know exactly what NOT to do when making a pilot/series and I want to know what Monkey wrench does exactly that I shouldn't do.
>>155865237Have they tried Rumble or Bitchute? Shit could Baraag give you money?
>>155833616heheh, monkey
>>155865389I'm the anon you were looking for, as well as the one that wrote several walls of text of tips earlier. This is what I mean you shouldn't do:>Don't make 30 minute episodes if you don't have anything that could warrant 30 minutesYou risk boring the audience and gain a reputation of the episode/show being a slog. Tighten the scripts to something shorter, trim the fat to save time and money. >Sunk costReevaluate if it's worth continuing an idea that has limited appeal. Your sanity may plummet and if you go into debt, that's even worse>Character designAttractive characters, full stop. You can have ugly characters in the mix but this is the Internet, your protagonists are everything. Want the attention? Add hot characters. >Don't drag out the storyThe Internet has low attention span. The lore shit needs to have the seeds planted more overtly early on instead of light hearted filler. Episode 5 could have worked great as an episode 1 to get momentum going. There was an anon that was hyped for the show until he realized 5 was not the pilot and hated all the filler in the prior episodes. >Don't make your protagonist so annoyingSpeaks for itselfSome of this sounds cynical and view hungry but you're spending all of this effort and NOT trying to be a success? You want a web series? Key word: web. The Internet is where your audience is and you must play to certain aspects to avoid flopping hard.
>>155865906>Her coconut gun>It fires in spurts
>>155866074>Want the attention? Add hot characters.Do you think cute characters are just as viable?
>>155866074I have a show about college kids, and it starts out with these two guys, not sure if they're attractive but they are meant to be appealing, like cute kinda appealing and moe sometimes.But the series isn't gonna focus solely on them since I want there to be multiple main characters.Also I never think about how long my stories are gonna last, I just imagine a story and the length of it is an afterthought, I just do what comes natural to the story. Could be short, could be long, I just wanna tell what is needed
>>155866178Here's the attractive character, Marina. She's everything I find hot and you will find hot I bet. She's also a good character as in she's motherly, she's had a shitty BF that made her fix herself up to show she's better than who she was before. I also have many other attractive female AND male characters I wanna put in here because I'm a gooner at heart.>>155866159I feel with how much I spend on 4chan, attractive characters feel like everything to me. You could have a shitty story but if lonely men are willing to jerk off to it, it's a success, look at Planetronika. Mid animated short but everyone wants to fuck Butterfly and that's all that matters to them.
>>155866074Anon with the college idea here who asked you what advice to give, thanks so much for this, I'm gonna need it, and I am jealous of Zeurel, his talent, his connections, I wish I could animate as good as him and I think I will if I stop being so Goddamn scared to suck.Here is another cute girl for my college series: Goldie Hawks. 7 ft tall nerd who's a supermodel, and yes she's based on Mabel.
>>155866159Disney, Sanrio, etc have made empires off of cute things. Let me rephrase. Aesthetics are everything. Human beings love things that look nice, the halo effect is real. Cute, hot, etc are all descriptors of things people would want to see. Ugly shit like what modern Pixar makes (CGI bean mouth) is a turn off. People see your project with their eyes first. If all they see is ugly and grotesque, they are more likely to not indulge. This is not to say that there isn't an audience for something gritty. But gritty is not what I mean by ugly. There's a lot of male focused media that is gritty but not so offensively ugly. It's hard to explain. Think of it like this: if the monsters look ugly, that's good, it's expected. If your protagonist that we are stuck following around is ugly, it's way harder sell. Stick to convention as a beginner before you attempt subversion. If you can't pull off subversion... Well you can clearly see the state of modern Hollywood as to why that's bad. >>155866178These look more like background characters, anon, ngl. When it comes to character design, you don't want your protagonist to be an ugly turn off but you sure as hell want them to be unforgettable/main character energy. Too bland and you're not hooking anyone. Let's use Glitch as an example. All of their protagonists can be considered appealing and you look at them and just know instinctively "this is the protagonist". Gwen is currently ugly but this is made up for by the amount of times her princess form shows up in the show and marketing >>155866237>>155866215Zeurel is wasting all of those connections that there's not much to envy. It's worse that he's the only one in that indie inner circle that's flopping. If you want to make characters that would appeal to a r34 crowd, it's an easy and effective way to get eyes on you. But you run the risk of turning off others that would look and think "porn bait". A very fine line. (My walls of text hit the character limit fuck)
>>155866382Then what could I do to make the characters Tom and Matt here more like protagonists? And I kinda want them to be like average people outside because I don't want my series to fall victim of most anime where you can spot the protagonist right away based on how vibrant their hair and fashion is, you know?And I don't want an audience who would consider my stuff porn bait anyway, they seem like prudes who only want stories that affirm their biases and justifies their virtues. Which I don't think its a bad thing to want more out of stories, to want them to push boundaries and shit, but I wanna make stuff that's personal to me with this story, and I am in no position to create representation for other people unless I feel there could be an interesting story for me to tell.
>>155866460Actually hang on, if I can't make main characters ugly, if I need a reason for them to be ugly, then isn't that limiting? What about Earthworm Jim and other wacky characters that have really unconventional designs? What's the line between unconventionally appealing ugly and actually bad ugly?
>>155866178Part 2. Writing wise, you need a 3rd party to look your script over. Your audience is neutral, they wouldn't know what's in your head unless you explain it. A neutral 3rd party brings you to reality and gets you out of your own head.>Multiple main charactersBe VERY fucking careful here. I'm not gonna lie, I would not do this. TADC is a masterclass of "too many main characters". What is likely to happen is you will end up favoriting 1 over all others. Dynamics between certain characters will be neglected and any audience you gain will complain about how their favorite had nothing at all compared to another. Stick to at least 1 to 3. If you are a newbie to writing, don't jump head first into a whole ensemble main character roster because the odds of fumbling are high. If you take this approach, do it like Avatar. Start with 3, explore the dynamics of all 3 within each other, build their personalities. Then add another (Toph). Build that character up, make that 1 character interact with the rest of the main cast. Then add another, so on and so forth. Adding everyone all at once means setting everyone up in such a short notice that you will have a TADC writing failure on your hands. >Natural to the storyI bet zuerel thought all of MW needed to happen because it's natural to the story. But when you create, you get biased and then it turns out, you could have trimmed more.>>155866460>>155866553Usually what's cited in good character design in silhouette and color palate. You know when someone says "they have the IT factor" but they can't explain what IT is, only that it can be clocked instinctively? Mess around with color theory more and if you want a simpler trick, you could make their surroundings more desaturated to make them pop out more to the audience.
>>155866553Part 3 because fuck the character limit. Some of this shit is hard for me to explain but keep in mind some of the beloved media of the past could not work in the current media landscape. People's taste has shifted,you can see how slice of life indies flop in comparison to lore shows. Hell, shrike looks like jim but that's not bringing people in droves. Remember, the Internet is your audience and the Internet has proven tastes. There are outliers but don't gamble on being one of them. These are my own tips that I'm following for maximizing my own success because I'll be damned that I'll follow in zeurels footsteps that could have been avoided. I keep track of what to do vs not to do based on what's hot in the indie scene.
>>155866648I'll be honest I only wanted multiple main characters because I don't want my idea to suffer from having more interesting side characters than main ones. I was influenced by Hey Arnold with how that show explores a lot of the characters in the town but they don't take up the whole show, they just have dedicated episodes to them rather than having it all build up. I do have ideas for a dedicated main character after the characters graduate college, but all this fear of leading my audience on is scaring me from wanting to anything. Thanks a lot :UI like to believe Tom has a good palette and silouette, not sure about Matt, I'm always trying to figure him out because I am just not happy with him. He's a guy Tom looks up to as a friend, his straight man to Tom's absurd thoughts and antics but deep down, he's making it up as he goes and he's so insecure, how can I make his design reflect that?
>>155867448Here's the dedicate main character that I want to focus on in the post graduation story. Gay Mexican learning to live on his own and make a living being an actor while also attending an underground fight club. I do have favorites for sure, but I do want there to be episodes dedicated to other characters to not make it seem like I'm alienating my audience who would otherwise like my glub shittos.>>155866648I actually get my friends and other people to look over my ideas and scripts because I don't think I'm that good of a writer, and my stories are more interesting if someone else helps me makes them interesting because it's like I'm an audience to my own work that is being managed by someone else. You know? I'm not just doing this because it's important, I'm doing this straight up because I like what other people do more than what I do lolAlso I guess I'm glad I'm not trying to introduce all these characters at once, just as the series goes on we have dedicated chapters about them that kinda stays in that chapter. I could do more with those characters if I feel there is a story to be told for them, but if my audience feels I should do more with certain characters, they could always tell me, just DM me their fav character and I could make a story about that character for them.
>>155862197Skibidi rizz my Monkey Wrench, guy.
Space King wins again.
>>155866693I don't even want an audience, I just want make stuff I wanna see. I get that's biased or prideful. But honestly I don't see it as prideful as much as me just wanting to do stuff because I enjoy doing that stuff and making that stuff. If other people wanna come in and help, I'm more than happy to let them help.Also honestly as slice of life as this concept is, I want it to also be a pure cartoon in and out. So like, monkeys, zombies attend this college, I have a character who is like a preppy dumb blonde but she's a fucking genius scientist because she focuses on what matters, she's dumb socially but smart intellectually.Point is I want excuses to make cartoony situations that are treated like every day situations.
Good thread.
>>155867608Ok that vignette is actually cute.well done anon
>>155866648>Writing wise, you need a 3rd party to look your script over. Your audience is neutral, they wouldn't know what's in your head unless you explain it. A neutral 3rd party brings you to reality and gets you out of your own head.Were can you get reliable people to review your script or storyboard?
>>155867639Thanks, gamer. Studying newspaper comics has helped me understand jokes.>>155867640That's what I've been saying, every time I see a video shitting on indie animation they never provide any ways to learn how to be a better writer, one video I saw said to just adapt novels.
>>155866553>What about Earthworm Jim and other wacky characters that have really unconventional designs?NTA, but Earth Worm Jim is a great example of "rule of cool/rule of funny". If you come up with a ahcracter as cool and funny as a worm in power armour, go for it.
>>155866553>What's the line between unconventionally appealing ugly and actually bad ugly?The purpose behind it, if you try to make an ugly character and commit to the bit of making it ugly then it can come out as attractive (same why writting an asshole with the fully intent of them being an asshole can give them a certain charisma)most problems arise when you pussy out and half do it, turning them from ugly into "just unnapealing", or when you try to sell the character as "Actually pretty in an unconventional way"
>>155867975What about the rule of cool/funny that Earthworm Jim had?
>>155868063Follows the same principleSincerity.Cool/Funny wwas it's core and it stuck true to it.
>>155833375the music is nice
Episode 5 should've been episode 1 and episode 1 - 4 shouldn't have been at all.Sorry.Not sorry.Get a better writer.
>>155868100>Cool/Funny wwas it's core and it stuck true to it.It's sad because MW is so close, I want to like it.
>>155869556>MW is so closeVery much the whole show motto, it is so close to being something, but doesn't fully comit to anything and ends up being nothing.
>>155833375I can say that I had a fun time watching this series so far but fellas, let's be honest, it's not very good...
>>155864229no Space King is just to smart for you
>>155869764>Did you know, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Space King.
>>155869764>to smartKek
>>1558698692 Space King 4 U
>>155869764I always knew Slop King fans were ESL.
>>155870620>Pee Pee Poo Poo, Pee Pee Poo Pooyou still haven't answered what the fuck a "slopulist" even is.
>>155859817I think the hate is massively overstated, especially compared to other indie stuff
>>155871165difference is that there is nothing else to talk about, the other indie bullshit at least has some cool stuff that attracts autists to defend it or talk good about it, this has nothing.also>hateGo back
>>155866178>I have a show about college kidsAt least that's pretty unique, I can't think of many cartoons about college characters
>>155867599THERE IS MY JOKER AND HARLEY QUINN HALLOWEEN FANART !!!!
>>155871215>Go backno faggot
IMO, This show has all the negatives from cowboy bebop and none of the positives.
>>155871387Thanks, and that is true
>>155848661Yeah and I have a secret technique and workflow to make the process way easier and cheaper while still keeping good animation for the moments that count/ actually need it. I just need to learn to write and also how to adapt said writing into a screenplay/ work with visual storytelling and the episode format in mind, since that's a bit different than writing a traditional book.
>>155872041Please tell enlighten me on your technique. i'll suck your dick if I could reach through this screen if you tell me.
>>155874272I'm just being playful and kidding about it being some kind of masterful technique, but I think as an indie animator people really need to reel themselves back and recognize the position they're working from, with limited resources and way more work to do compared to a conventional production team.I think people are more than willing to accept something like an animatic series with the understanding the people making it are low-budget with a small team. Especially if you are offering a genuinely interesting experience and great story to compensate. People can sort of abstract a scene in their own minds - so long as you give them enough basic motion, an expression change here or there - and immerse themselves: Deltarune is a great example of this as fans consider it the best story ever and go crazy over its narrative but a LOT of the key emotional beats are character sprites just standing there and shaking about or a portrait your eyes are meant to be glued to during the exchange,That is to say make limited animation or animatics for the walking and talking scenes that don't *NEED* to be fluidly animated, and invest all of that effort instead into short little bursts of 1-5 minutes of animation for pivotal dramatic or action scenes. I greatly dislike Tamers12345, but he is a great example of working within his means with limited animation and producing stuff people love. Homestuck was a bunch of still images with the occasional "animated" sequence set to music to cap off pivotal events or introduce cool ideas and people rewatch and LOVE those. Anime does a bunch of tricks to save time and effort as well.My secret personal ingredient to the limited animation, conservation of effort process is to make animatics in 3d, so the hardest part of an animatic, an already simplified, lower-budget process, which would be drawing every frame with proper perspective, can instantly be solved by the full camera control a 3d program provides
>>155844831I didn't get the impression they were strong, just rich as fuck.The bird alien race in general seem to have high wealth since the first person we saw in episode one was a bird guy that owned multiple Casinos.
>>155847092actually, if you look deeper somewhere else there's more...
>>155833375>It's good stop the cap
>>155875547Gahh horses
>>155847092Who cares
>>155875296>Deltarune is a great example of this as fans consider it the best story ever and go crazy over its narrative but a LOT of the key emotional beats are character sprites just standing there and shaking about or a portrait your eyes are meant to be glued to during the exchangeThis. Look at how old FF7 fans talk about the death of Aerith. While videogames being interactive helps, these moments aren't necessarily interactive themselves.
>>155867552>Gay MexicanDon't do that.
the real cowboy bebop was smart enough to add the goon character way sooner
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Next thread I shall be open for MW- centric RQs~
>>155881608DEAD EYE ANON OMG YOU'RE ALIVE! Hell yeah! Hope u have a nice day or night and...oml...mine is never gonna be made anyways tho so I'll just stay back lol
>>155833531Why not a human-monkey hybrid instead...
>>155881479What is even happening in this clip?
Shrike a shit
>>155833714>make indie show on youtube>don't utilize youtube shorts at all>flopsWhy are so many creators stupid like this. The modern user doesn't hop onto youtube to look things up, they scroll endlessly through small clips.
